jln115:

Oh my fvcking word dude, the T-Craft specs are under the PIC dude, did you actually think a small IPV has a range of 3000nm? And you call yourself a military reasercher!

Go visit the site again! Im fvcking begging you, then come back and debate with me again.

I was trying to be nice to you but I see you don't deserve it.

Why should I be debating with you?

We are talking OPV, you posted IPV....are they the same? Dullard white-boy, I never met a white-man so dull till I met you on Nairaland
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Patchesagain:


Starstreak is the best VSHORAD in Africa

and with the implimentation of Sky-Sheild we will be the only African military, and one of the few militarys in the world, to have an active CRAM system

NO CRAM till 2017 for SANDF....maybe even 2020 due to current cash crunch. Today you have NONE ! No CRAM !

Starstreak is worst missile in Africa, maximum ceiling is 1km, Togolese Alpha jets will mass R.ape SANDF and delete your helpless army

Algeria and Egypt already have CRAM in their armies. You are NOT even the first, talk less of being the only one. Thief !
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agaugust:


NO CRAM till 2017 for SANDF....maybe even 2020 due to current cash crunch. Today you have NONE ! No CRAM !

Starstreak is worst missile in Africa, maximum ceiling is 1km, Togolese Alpha jets will mass R.ape SANDF and delete your helpless army

Algeria and Egypt already have CRAM in their armies. You are NOT even the first, talk less of being the only one. Thief !
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Project ends in 2017

Meaning systems are being completed now

I dont think you know what VSHORAD is or the role it plays

Really? What CRAM systems do Algeria and Egypt have? Inform me

saengine:
SAAF 2015...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5HmDBLbaNI

[size=20pt]Zero Combat Experience In 20 years....Shame [/size]
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agaugust:


[size=20pt]Zero Combat Experience In 20 years....Shame [/size]
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Training > Combat experience

SANDF is doing things in that video that Nigeria could only dream of - because of superior training

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[size=16pt]Nigerian air force in combat 2015
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Patchesagain:


Training > Combat experience

Nigeria has both...the two. South Africa has only one...you are inferior
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agaugust:

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[size=16pt]Nigerian air force in combat 2015
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Useless F-7s and Hinds flown by mercenaries?

Impressive

Patchesagain:


And so?

medium range is on the way

long range is under development

We are building an air defence system that you cannot even afford to buy

Nigeria too is re-arming, not only you. Then you are broke, no cash
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agaugust:


Nigeria has both...the two. South Africa has only one...you are inferior
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Nigerian army is completely lacking training, proven by the fact that you hired South African mercenaries to train you

lezz:


and your battle starved military is busy posing for pics more than real army that are battle proven, tested and hardened.

S.A army begging for the spot light.

Battle starved army, LOL...SANDF humiliated, wow ! My sides
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agaugust:


Nigeria too is re-arming, not only you. Then you are broke, no cash
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We are broke?

Who is it that is borrowing money to pay government employees?

Us or you?

Do you want to compare what we have gotten to what you have?

Year 2000 to now - lets compare, you go first.

Note: Only equipment delivered/in service or equipment for which the delivery contract has been signed (provide proof)

agaugust:


Battle starved army, LOL...SANDF humiliated, wow ! My sides
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So you are saying that unless an army has seen combat it is not good at what it does?

Please say yes.

Patchesagain:


Are you saying it is a bad thing that South Africa is not in the middle of a civil war and has its waters and coast-line infested with pirates like Nigeria?

Nope, what we are saying is that South Africa does not need civil war at home.

Liberia and Sierra Leone wars are not Nigerian territory battles, yet Nigeria was there to fight as leader of Africa.

C.A.R needed full force from South Africa to save lifes of fellow Africans in trouble, South African army ran away instead of helping humanity.

That is the difference between Nigerian military and South African military....courage....humanitarian courage and war capacity....victory
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agaugust:


Nope, what we are saying is that South Africa does not need civil war at home.

Liberia and Sierra Leone wars are not Nigerian territory battles, yet Nigeria was there to fight as leader of Africa.

C.A.R needed full force from South Africa to save lifes of fellow Africans in trouble, South African army ran away instead of helping humanity.

That is the difference between Nigerian military and South African military....courage....humanitarian courage and war capacity....victory
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1. You completely failed in liberia and sierra leone
2. CAR is closer to Nigeria than South Africa - why did you not send men?

SANDF has been very active in our sphere of influence, we have extensive combat deployments in DRC and have trained multiple battalions of men, we stabilized Burunid, de-mined and de-armed Mozambique and stopped an illegal coup in Lesotho, while we have secured Mozambiques waters for them. In terms of humanitarian aid, we have twice assisted Mozambique is disaster releif and have sent disaster releif teams as far as Japan.

SANDF has yet to fail a mission.

The fact that the SADAC bloc is realativly peacfull is not a flaw of the SANDF - its proof of its exellence.

Patchesagain:


#Butthurt

Sorry our military doesnt look like the rag-tag militia that the Nigerian military is.

Nigerian army is better kitted than your. Try deploy 40,000 men in one battle like Nigeria did, then we can compare your kit.

Last time we saw your troops in thousands, many kits were missing !
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Patchesagain:


Again, you post the opinion of one man.

I seriously think that you have no idea just what BRICS is.

Do you think that this man invented BRICS?

Did he e-mail Russia, India, Brazil and China and tell them to sign treaties and work together?

You are a fvkcing bufoon of the tallest order.

Into the trash you go.

I choose to murder you still with facts. Ole BRIC nation. Read more :

Brazil, Russia, India And China - BRIC
DEFINITION OF 'BRAZIL, RUSSIA, INDIA AND CHINA - BRIC'
An acronym for the economies of Brazil, Russia, India and China combined. The general consensus is that the term was first prominently used in a Goldman Sachs report from 2003, which speculated that by 2050 these four economies would be wealthier than most of the current major economic powers.http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bric.asp

agaugust:


Nigerian army is better kitted than your. Try deploy 40,000 men in one battle like Nigeria did, then we can compare your kit.

Last time we saw your troops in thousands, many kits were missing !
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When was their kit missing?

Nigerian deployment is no-where near 40,000 men.

Your army is notorious for mismatched equipment, under-equipping of men and soldiers being forced to use civilian equipment because they have to buy their own equipment.

Patchesagain:


Are we or are we not a BRICS member?

Is Nigeria a BRICS member?

No?

I rest my case

You probably bribed your way there. Same way South Africa bribed FIFA with $10 million to host world cup 2010.

So you actually did not deserve or win the bid to host, your rotten country bribed FIFA !

Shame on Mandela's legacy ! Thanks to you frauds and thieves !
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lezz:
I choose to murder you still with facts. Ole BRIC nation. Read more :

Brazil, Russia, India And China - BRIC
DEFINITION OF 'BRAZIL, RUSSIA, INDIA AND CHINA - BRIC'
An acronym for the economies of Brazil, Russia, India and China combined. The general consensus is that the term was first prominently used in a Goldman Sachs report from 2003, which speculated that by 2050 these four economies would be wealthier than most of the current major economic powers.

Outdated info you fraud

The leaders of the five Brics countries have signed a deal to create a new $100bn (£58.3bn) development bank and emergency reserve fund.
The Brics group is made up of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28317555

from the same website as your source:

Brazil, Russia, India, China And South Africa - BRICS
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/brics.asp

Dude, I am not wasting my time with you anymore.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about

Patchesagain:


When was their kit missing?

Nigerian deployment is no-where near 40,000 men.

Your army is notorious for mismatched equipment, under-equipping of men and soldiers being forced to use civilian equipment because they have to buy their own equipment.

And the SANDF is notorious for propaganda, doctored reports and docility.

agaugust:


You probably bribed your way there. Same way South Africa bribed FIFA with $10 million to host world cup 2010.

So you actually did not deserve or win the bid to host, your rotten country bribed FIFA !

Shame on Mandela's legacy ! Thanks to you frauds and thieves !
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Is it a fact that we bribed them?

Its an allegation - dont jump to another conclusion like you did with the fisherman who got shot at!! Remember how embarrassing it was for you!

And FYI - Our world cup was absolutely flawless

lezz:
And the SANDF is notorious for propaganda, doctored reports and docility.

Because you say so?

Back that up with proof

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Patchesagain:


TIME FOR A MATHS LESSON!!

Warrior class OPV

Range: 3,600 nmi at 18knts

Okay so you have obeyed my command and changed your range from 4,000 miles to 3,600 miles ?

Patches I really squeezed your two balls till breaking point

Now who is really dishing out maths lessons? You with wrong data, or me correcting your own data and forcing you to recalculate with my own data?

I own you Patches !
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Patchesagain:


Outdated info you fraud

The leaders of the five Brics countries have signed a deal to create a new $100bn (£58.3bn) development bank and emergency reserve fund.
The Brics group is made up of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28317555

from the same website as your source:

Brazil, Russia, India, China And South Africa - BRICS
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/brics.asp

Dude, I am not wasting my time with you anymore.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about

Ole BRIC. all the links I got for you are 2015. Take this one further January 8th 2015http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-08/bric-in-danger-of-becoming-ic-says-acronym-coiner-jim-o-neill.

agaugust:


Okay so you have obeyed my command and changed your range from 4,000 miles to 3,600 miles ?

Patches I really squeezed your two balls till breaking point
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You still imagining playing with my balls?

I thought homosexuality was illegal in nigeria...

Anyway - i see you are running from the part of my post where I showed that the Warrior Class still outranges your OPV even with less endurance.

lezz:
Ole BRIC. all the links I got for you are 2015. Take this one further January 8th 2015http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-08/bric-in-danger-of-becoming-ic-says-acronym-coiner-jim-o-neill.

I see you still think that BRICS is a title "awarded" to the BRICS members

And failing to understand that BRICS is an internal operation between the members.

Its an organization you fvcking troll

Anyway, I have thrashed you - I am done with you

agaugust:
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Okay so you have obeyed my command and changed your range from 4,000 miles to 3,600 miles ?

Patches I really squeezed your two balls till breaking point

Now who is really dishing out maths lessons? You with wrong data, or me correcting your own data and forcing you to recalculate with my own data?

I own you Patches !
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[size=20pt]I see you are hiding from the fact that I have proven that the warrior class still outranges your OPV despite less endurance!!

Who owns who? [/size]

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Patchesagain:



TIME FOR A MATHS LESSON!!

Warrior class OPV

Range: 3,600 nmi (6 667 km) at 18 knts (32kmh)

667 divided by 32 = 208

Hence - it takes the warrior class 208 hours to cover 7400km (less than 10 days)

How many hours in 10 days? 240!

P18N range 3000nmi (5556km) at 18knts (32kmh)

5556 divided by 32 = 173

It takes 173 hours for the P18N to run out of fuel (7 days)

Conclusion: Warrior class outranges the P18N because it can patrol for ALL 10 days of its endurance while the P18N can only patrol for 7 days of its endurance

Nope, wrong again dullard, South Africans are born failures.

All your calculation is wrong because Warrior class CANNOT range 3,600 miles at 18 knts

The correct data is :

Range, miles: 1,500 at 30kt; 3,600+ at economical speed

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

In mathematics, we have what we call value definition of variable.

Economic speed is NOT defined in the specs data sheet, so how can you say it is 18 knts ?

What is your source of Warrior class economic speed ? Prove it now !

Bwahahaha...I am gonna k.ill Patches with sweat and wahala today o !

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Patchesagain:


Augstus

Stop avoiding the question

You have said chaff launchers are 100% effective

Quote where I ever said so, quote it !
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agaugust:
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Nope, wrong again dullard, South Africans are born failures.

All your calculation is wrong because Warrior class CANNOT range 3,600 miles at 18 knts

The correct data is :

Range, miles: 1,500 at 30kt; 3,600+ at economical speed

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

In mathematics, we have what we call value definition of variable.

Economic speed is NOT defined in the specs data sheet, so how can you say it is 18 knts ?

What is your source of Warrior class economic speed ? Prove it now !

Bwahahaha...I am gonna k.ill Patches with sweat and wahala today o !

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Augustus

I took the economical speed from the Isrealy strike craft it is based on (and uses the same engines as)

Stop wasting our time with asinine arguments

Take your beating like a man

agaugust:

Quote where I ever said so, quote it !
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Here

agaugust:

Naija OPV PJ-24 decoy does the job that manufacturer made it to do....destroy ALL enemy anti-ship missile
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here:

agaugust:


our OPV anti-missile decoys will defeat your Valour ship missiles

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Here:

agaugust:

The Nigerian P18N OPVs will defeat ALL the few Exocet missiles on South African Valour Frigates, the combat will turn to gun battle at sea, and Nigerian OPV 76mm guns are more sophisticated and have longer range superior to the older guns/shorter range of the Valour frigates.
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You pig-disgusting liar, you shameless, hopeless, desperate man!


You said it would defeat ALL missiles

ALL = 100%

So are you now saying it is not 100% effective?