Patchesagain:


I see you still think that BRICS is a title "awarded" to the BRICS members

And failing to understand that BRICS is an internal operation between the members.

Its an organization you fvcking troll

Anyway, I have thrashed you - I am done with you

Patchesagain:


I see you still think that BRICS is a title "awarded" to the BRICS members

And failing to understand that BRICS is an internal operation between the members.

Its an organization you fvcking troll

Anyway, I have thrashed you - I am done with you

agaugust:
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Nope, wrong again dullard, South Africans are born failures.

All your calculation is wrong because Warrior class CANNOT range 3,600 miles at 18 knts

The correct data is : Bwhaha, what a way to outclass a Zulu.

Range, miles: 1,500 at 30kt; 3,600+ at economical speed

http://navy.mil.za/equipment/patrol.htm

In mathematics, we have what we call value definition of variable.

Economic speed is NOT defined in the specs data sheet, so how can you say it is 18 knts ?

What is your source of Warrior class economic speed ? Prove it now !

Bwahahaha...I am gonna k.ill Patches with sweat and wahala today o !

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Patchesagain:


HMS SHEFFIELD - mortally damaged south east of Falklands by Exocet missile. Burnt out and sank in tow on Monday 10th May
ATLANTIC CONVEYOR - mortally damaged north east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and later sank in tow.
HMS Glamorgan - damaged off Stanley by land-based Exocet missile
http://www.naval-history.net/F62-Falklands-British_ships_lost.htm


5 exocet were sold to argentina
http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/falkland-islands/45704/bbc-finds-evidence-french-helped-argentines-sink-our-ships

HMS Sheffield had chaff launchers

3/5 = 60% hit probability

60% of 17 = 10

10 of our Exocet will hit your one OPV

It will be atomized

agaugust:


You think I think like you South Africans? No, I think like a Nigerian.

F-7 jets will deplete Valour frigate Umkhonto missiles with constant saturation attack maneuvers. F-7 jet speed is same as Umkhonto.

Valour Frigate is sunk by P18N OPV using combination of anti-missile decoys and superior firepower 76mm gun range.

ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft will detect Type 209 Submarine that must part-surface to snorkel in 48 hours for survival or else it will run out of battery power and die, the ATR-42 calls in maritime Alpha jets to massively rocket blast the submarine out of existence. Your submarine CANNOT detect aircraft while it hides.

Guided missile armed drones will track down your Submarine and destroy it with air to surface guided missiles !

Nigeria has so many things to use for destroying the South African navy frigates and submarines.

What you guys don't know is that countries have different defense plans/assets.

In war, you do not always need a submarine to defeat a submarine, you do not always need a frigate to defeat a frigate.

Air power is an enemy of sea power. Nigeria's ocean up to 500 km away our coast is a death zone for any intruder
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lezz:
your clever attempt to interrupt my punches isn't working.

Zulu Bric is not a political alliance . it is an economic term for the next economic power players which eventually didn't materialize. South Africa which the coiner and founder of BRIC didn't include was never an authentic member although she was included into the team in 2010 almost 7 years after it was formed. However after poor infrastructural deficit and economic stagnation , international institutions and analysis had to agree with the original coiner O'Neil that south Africa isn't a member.



Presently as I type this the membership of Russia and Brazil are in serious consideration. The membership of S.A is a debatable matter ; she was never an official member to begin with.

Olé BRIC

agaugust:



I need a citation to confirm your private opinion of 60% hit probability, post proof by a technical source. Your opinion is NOT fact

Bwahahaha....see Nigerian OPV making Patches to sweat on his laptop !

I thought you said Nigeria has no warship, why do you need Exocet missiles against a mere 'Coast Guard' according to you ?

Are you so much afraid of Nigerian OPVs ? You need the whole of your navy war arsenal to fight against OPVs ? LOL....LOL

1. The HMS Sheffield is an old 1970 warship

2. Nigerian P18N are digital fully computerized 2014 warships

3. All ships of Royal navy hit by Exocets are NOT stealth ships, so they were easy to radar target

4. Nigerian P18N OPVs are stealth warships and invisible to radar at distance

5. The countermeasures in Falkland war ships are from 1970s generation, obsolete equipment

6. The countermeasures are about year 2000 new generation equipment with modern technology


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" Exocet may not be invincible after all. Analysis of the Falklands conflict suggests that, after the crippling of HMS Sheffield, Royal Navy countermeasures were able to cope with the anti-ship missile. Extensive use was made of chaff-filled decoy rockets to produce false target echoes on Exocet's active-radar seeker. Exocets were launched on at least three occasions, each less successful than the last,suggesting that the Royal Navy has developed tactics which render the missile almost ineffective. "

http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1982/1982%20-%201960.PDF

Nigerian Navy OPVs will defeat ALL South African Exocet missiles.

The combat will become gun battle. Nigerian OPV have superior gun firepower over South African frigates.

Nigeria will sink Mandela's navy !

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agaugust:



I need a citation to confirm your private opinion of 60% hit probability, post proof by a technical source. Your opinion is NOT fact

Bwahahaha....see Nigerian OPV making Patches to sweat on his laptop !

I thought you said Nigeria has no warship, why do you need Exocet missiles against a mere 'Coast Guard' according to you ?

Are you so much afraid of Nigerian OPVs ? You need the whole of your navy war arsenal to fight against OPVs ? LOL....LOL

1. The HMS Sheffield is an old 1970 warship

2. Nigerian P18N are digital fully computerized 2014 warships

3. All ships of Royal navy hit by Exocets are NOT stealth ships, so they were easy to radar target

4. Nigerian P18N OPVs are stealth warships and invisible to radar at distance

5. The countermeasures in Falkland war ships are from 1970s generation, obsolete equipment

6. The countermeasures are about year 2000 new generation equipment with modern technology



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Patchesagain:


Ok, so you have no idea what BRICS is then.

I am not wasting anymore time with you, you can stew in your own stup.idity and think whatever you want to.

lezz:
I do not know what BRIC is, all the sources I quoted didn't know what BRIC is; O'Neil the founder and coiner doesn't know what BRIC is.

Only one Zulu in Soweto knows what BRIC is

Patchesagain:


Dude, post away.

I am done with you.

You just arent worth the time or energy.

We all know what BRICS is, you dont, your problem not mine.

lezz:
at last an implicit admission of dullness and clueless-ness from Patrick, the zulu .

lezz:
at last an implicit admission of dullness and clueless-ness from Patrick, the zulu .

The nations, however, have met at an international relations summit annually since 2009. The first two conferences were referred to as the 2009 BRIC summit and 2010 BRIC summit. In 2010, South Africa was officially admitted as a BRIC nation following an invitation from China and the other BRIC nations. The current acronym is BRICS (with a capital "S" - Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. Since 2011, the annual conference has been referred to as the BRICS summit.

Patchesagain:


It is no such thing.

It is a statemnt that I am not wasting another second of my life on this pointless debate with you.

We all know what BRICS is, if you dont, then that is your problem not mine.

saengine:


Take this rub.bish off this website, you fake. Useless fake.

You think our Navy will fire Umkhonto missiles like they are cheap bullets? No missiles will be fired at any aircraft at the extreme
range of Umkhonto, particularly since at extreme range (15km) your F-7 jets have nothing to hit us with. Umkhonto is fired at targets with a high probability of hitting, meaning one of your pilots has been stu.pid enough to get within range. What makes you think the battle will last 48 hours? 10 minutes is all we need. A South African submarine anywhere from 12-18 km away from your OPV will make easy work of it. 48 hours for what?


And don't even dare come here with "Umkhonto and F-7 have the same speed".......you have proved time and time again that you are not technically inclined (e.g air pressure argument). You will be demolished. It's something called physics, not sure if you've heard of it.


Example: An F-7 jet 15 km away (out of range of Umkhonto) flies at Mach 2 straight towards our Frigate, pretending to attack (in the hope that we fire and waste a missile). He has to get within 15 km for us to be even interested in firing at him. If he starts turning away BEFORE he enters 15 km diameter, it's obvious it's a fake attack. No missiles will be fired. He has to FIRST get into range of our missiles, hope we fire at him, THEN turn away. Do you know that at this point your pilot is already dead?

The turn circle of your F-7 flying at Mach 2 will not be measured in meters. It will be measured in kilometers. Reason for this? G-Force. Centrifugal forces at Mach 2 are so high that your pilot will literally need kilometers to turn, at a reasonable G-Force (4-6 G's). Your soon to be dead pilot has created a massive turn circle within range of Umkhonto. To make things worse, for half of that turn he has a component of his velocity vector point straight to the frigate. Meaning at this point the closure speed between Umkhonto and F-7 is greater than Mach 2 (I know you don't understand that last sentence, but the others do). Your pilot is doomed. Unlike Umkhonto, he cannot make high speed turns like Umkhonto (40G at Mach 2). Same applies if the pilot gets into a dive from high altitude.

Your fake attacks outside of Umkhonto range will be clearly fake to everyone. No missiles fired. Your fake attacks inside of Umkhonto range will result in nothing but pure death.

agaugust:



Bwahahaahahaa Total rubbish !

F-7 does not need to fly the way you wish or want. We fly with our own tactics and experience.

NAF pilots are battle experienced in air to ground attack after 6,000 combat sorties in 6 months...current experience.

F-7 flies in entry at 9km above Valour frigate. Umkhonto missile maximum ceiling is 8km

The F-7 gets close to Valour frigate about 2,000 km/hr not full speed. Changes to 7.5 km above the ship forcing the ship to defend and fire Umkhonto missile in vain....

F-7 gets SAM warning and changes to 9 km above ship in about 2 seconds.

Umkhonto CANNOT attain full speed immediately, needs many seconds to accelerate from zero to mach 2....F-7 is back above missile ceiling.

Missiles fail, saturation attack succeeds. Valour frigate will lose all it's air defence missiles. F-7 returns then to rocket the ship to sea bottom.

Dude, we have been through this many times, lets not waste time.

Another new threat has emerged to sink Valour frigates....PJ-46 and AK-176 on Nigerian stealth OPVs !
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Patchesagain:


1970's exocets v 1970's decoys and warships = 2 british ships sunk, one damaged (60% hit rate in combat)

modern exocets v modern decoys and warships = ??

You say that your decoy dispensers will defeat exocet - prove it

Patchesagain:


I have made no claims about the effectiveness of the Valour class ASM/SSM defence

agaugust:


Nope, you are the one saying decoy will not defeat missile, so prove it !

I have done enough, last war history of missile vs decoy, the decoys defeated the missiles.

So since you have a different opinion, prove it with source. Also show us source for 60% hit rate for Exocet.

Not all the missiles exploded, not all hit target, not all the ships had decoys, not all the ships used their decoys, NONE of the ships is even stealth to avoid radar tracking.....60% is a bad bad poor hit rate for a missile.

Prove to us that modern decoys cannot defeat modern missiles that the manufacturer built them to defeat....Prove your claim !

Burden of proof is on you....so post source to beat the decoy manufacturers ! We are waiting 1
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agaugust:


Yes you did, you said they have a 60% hit ratio and you gave no source to prove it
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Patchesagain:


It should be noted that O'Neill grouped these nations together because they have the potential to form an influential economic bloc, and not because they represent a political alliance or a formal trading association.

The nations, however, have met at an international relations summit annually since 2009. The first two conferences were referred to as the 2009 BRIC summit and 2010 BRIC summit. In 2010, South Africa was officially admitted as a BRIC nation following an invitation from China and the other BRIC nations. The current acronym is BRICS (with a capital "S" - Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. Since 2011, the annual conference has been referred to as the BRICS summit.

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/13/what-is-bric-nation.asp#ixzz3bhYldG1E
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You see?

Your man O'neil may have coined the term

But the BRICS organization has nothing to do with him - it is an inter-state organization.

Thats it, last post. I am done with you.

Patchesagain:


War history is the source

Argentina had 5 exocet

3 hit targets

2 sunk ships

1 damaged a ship so badly it was taken out of action.

3/5 = 60%

War history proves it!!

lezz:
Patrick you just lack deductive reasoning. Despite the fact that what you quoted has been overtaken by facts, it is still a pointer that south Africa is a back door member whose membership has been generally agreed to be unmerited both by O'Neil , fellow bric members and international economic analysts.


Tell me if bona FIDE members like Russia and Brazil are currently facing membership expulsion , why are you doubting the membership nullification of an ordinary invitee like south Africa?
Reason: because you are patchesagain who is allergic to facts and NEVER owns up.

agaugust:


War history did not say 60%, you joggled the figures by your own opinion. Like you said a helicopter taking off in desert sand raises no dust !

Hit rate on target is NOT calculated by people like you, it is done by equipment manufacturer on specs datasheet for user appraisal.

Post me a source from Exocet manufacturer for it's hit probability.
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Patchesagain:


War history? Falklands war where 3 out of 5 of the Argentine missiles hit ships, sinking 2 and damaging one. Same war where you said Chaff defeats exocet!!

Patchesagain:


- i said the hind cannot hover in combat
- you said scorpion maneuver is usefull for fighter jets in combat. Why is a backflip now not usefull?
- advanced combat maneuvers are used to avoid enemy ground fire and move quickly from firing position to firing position
- Hind M is incapable of NOE flight, hence, it is taking off.

Patchesagain:


And we have stealth frigates with 17 missiles

Your OPV doesnt stand a chance.

Now - unless the decoy dispencer is 100% effective against up 17 threats, your OPV does not stand a chance

So, provide proof please

Patchesagain:


Prove how many exocets SAN has fired.

Until you do - SAN has 17.

Unless your decoy dispenser is 100% effective your OPV will be sunk.

So, if your one OPV stands a chance against to fully armed Valour Class frigates you must prove 100% decoy efficiency

agaugust:


That tells you that NOT ALL the British ships had decoy or used their decoys. The ships that used their decoys defeated Exocet missile.

That is from a source, British navy, not me. Your own 60% rate is from you not a technical source.

Show me real source with tech specs....5 Exocets fired, 2 ships sank....LOL...me too can say hit rate is 2/5 = 40 %
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agaugust:


SAN has test fired 4 Exocets, so you have 13 left according to Andrewza your navy man.

Nigeria has OPV anti-missile decoys to waste all your missiles
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agaugust:


Your Southie friends said SAN has tested Exocet on 4 frigates, so you fired four. They boasted here about your training

You now say South Africa has NO missile test firing experience at sea ?

#Trap....How many Exocets do you have now ?
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agaugust:



Show me real source with tech specs....5 Exocets fired, 2 ships sank....LOL...me too can say hit rate is 2/5 = 40 %
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