all4naija:
Sorry to say your point is flawed a little bit. You are trying to say because one is more qualified than the other we shouldn't look into the facts the other has to present.

Meanwhile, not if the source you are supporting to be unbiased uses factor that is largely based on interruption and leave by hourly pay system. Why does it matter any way if there is no discrimination? Let me give you an analogy - if both male and female are paid $5 per an hour there is no pay gap or discrimination there even if the woman decided to take a leave for some reason best known to her because that is her decision not from discrimination. That is not the case here. The male co-worker is being payed a little more than her, maybe $6 per an hour while the female worker is pay $5 per an hour. That is what I am pointing to you exist in some industry, most especially, in the tech.

FrancisTony:

She's married

Velocitron:


It's not necessarily about qualification. Is the author's point of view objective and impartial? Is the language free of emotion-arousing words and bias?.

In the 'abortion causes cancer' example I gave earlier, this source: Anti-Abortion Organisation of Nigeria is obviously biased as you can tell from the organisation name that they are anti-abortion, so they are likely to cherry-pick statistics/information that supports their claim.
The second source: Medical Association of Nigeria is a scientific organisation and they are more likely to use completely neutral, scientific, factual, well-researched information.

Besides, I'm a computer scientist. I'm yet to see the 'sexism' I was warned vehemently about. The tech industry is probably the most welcoming(?) industry.

JoeCutie:



In that case, I love feminists. Please, I'd like you to be a feminist. A great one. I can sponsor you all the way if you want me to. What will it take to be one?

all4naija:

There you go again. You just proved one is more qualified than the other because one uses some means to extrapolate information while the other doesn't but speculates with biased intentions. Do you agree with me it is about qualification?

The Anti-abortion of Nigeria and Medical Association Nigeria comparison is a little different when applied to this situation because those who have be discriminated against put forward information to address the situation and find solution. It is yielding some result for present generation.It is only a matter of time before balanced on a fair ground. You are the only person I have seen to disagree there is gender pay gap discrimination in the developed countries.

However, you refuse to provide insight into why the group you claim to be unbiased hasn't given the reason why such a scenario of hourly pay is described as a cause when there is no difference there at all. I would refer you to reread the part with the analogy in my prior post.

smileysmiles:


"They say" men dont or "Men dont" give them the chance?
In all honesty do you think if buhari was a woman with all his experience and good qualities and al that APC would have made him their presidential candidate?

Can you homestly say nigeria is in a state where Men will vote women as presidents ( evenwhen they are fully qualified)? If your answr is NO.. it raises the question ; why??

Velocitron:


Anecdotal evidence (definition: evidence based on personal observation, case study reports, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation) isn't proof of anything. Not disregarding the fact that true discrimination occurs, but just because a person claimed they were discriminated against doesn't mean they actually were. Many other factors can come into play.


Don't think you saw this part:

Roughly four-in-ten mothers say they have taken a significant amount of time off from work (39%) or reduced their work hours (42%) to care for a child or other family member. Roughly a quarter (27%) say they have quit work altogether to take care of these familial responsibilities.

lavatoz:

*like francistony would say* Awon NL frustrated males have come again and they'll explode over her speech. They think any feminist is a single, frustrated woman who hates men

missterious:


Lol. Yeah. It's just like an accepted African norm for ladies to strive towards marriage & men to strive towards wealth. Personally, I'd rather be rich than married if I had to choose.

all4naija:
Bwahaha... You keep begging the question. Didn't you see where I said it is yielding results? You are turning a blind eye to the nitty gritty of this societal discrimination while it really exist.

Nevertheless, you keep pointing me to something that has been addressed before. You too also forget some men do take leave and interrupt their works only in lesser form from the same source you quoted. That is not the complete truth of the matter though,there is conscious discrimination on gender differences regarding pay gap you refuse to accept exist.

repogirl:

Now on to the topic;

Well, I don't know Chimamanda's upbringing was but I was never brought me up to see myself as a lower being to give respect when it is needed but definitely not to be walked all over.

Nobody can put you in a place you don't want to be, sometimes as a woman, you deal with some men that have warped thinking, agreed but doesn't mean the world has put you in a corner.

Times are changing, for centuries, women have been homemakers mostly instead of career women but that was what was needed at the time. Now the economy has changed and like it or not, women have to also contribute their quota to their upkeep and family finances. I believe, like it or not, we are a constantly evolving race and with time, these things will change naturally.

All this you must not let people put you here or there is just not worth it to me, some people are malleable naturally and they will be that way whether you preach feminsm to them throughout eternity.

Women should not shenk important responsibilities because of this feminism crap. You can be an awesome career woman, awesome wife and an awesome mother all at once.

FrancisTony:

I have enough testosterone, so, thank you.

But, wait, if you believe a male can actually secrete excess oestrogen than testosterone and still claim male gayism is unnatural, isn't it contradictory?.

Choose one?

Velocitron:


Look, this is getting exhausting. Just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm 100000% for gender equality. I'm a woman myself, why would I think any man is better than me simply by just being a man?

I just think modern feminism or third-wave feminism has been sidetracked into making women victims of circumstance rather than empowering women and helping those really in need, like women whose faces are being mutilated with acid for fleeing from abusive husbands or victims of FGM etc. Those are real issues not 'my uncle was rude to me when I was a child'.

lavatoz:

GBAM! Some men even say they'll rather die than let a woman rule Nigeria

Velocitron:


You're awesome just for saying that

Cutehector:
Feminist! No wonder she isn't married...

kelechiMarie:
This thread gon be interesting.
I do not always agree with chimamanda but you can't take away the fact that's she's intelligent,smart and i do love her#nohomo. I'm with her on this one.

Velocitron:


You're awesome just for saying that

missclasssy:
She is correct.

Women have for a long time been made to feel that being powerful, being an authoritative figure or being in a positions of power isn't their right so when such happens it becomes seen as a remarkable thing, as something exceptional.

The political social and religious structures of the world have belittled the feminine gender into being seen as nothing but second to the male gender.
Men are seen as leaders, while women are seen as followers. Men are seen as rulers , while women are seen as helpers and supporters.
Men are seen as strong, while women are seen as weak.

Women are taught silence, while men are taught to speak.
Women are taught to serve men, to obey men, not to talk back at men and a lot of bullshit.
Most of our religious institutions especially ones like Islam, and christianity have a huge role to play in all this through their customs, doctrines and stories.


This has created a default mentality towards what women are supposed to be, So when people see a confident powerful woman, they become amazed. They see her as extraordinary.

Women need to see themselves differently from what they have been told and forced to believe.

repogirl:
lol, thanks I also liked your last point below mine.

all4naija:
The world all rather society put some women in corners. You have to travel around the world to understand that, most especially, in the Islamic countries. Yousafzai Malala is a good example of what I am driving at or talking about.

all4naija:
The world all rather society put some women in corners. You have to travel around the world to understand that, most especially, in the Islamic countries. Yousafzai Malala is a good example of what I am driving at or talking about.

Velocitron:


I agree, but that's where the controversy lies now. It's a cultural norm for them. Who are we to say that someone else's culture is wrong? It wasn't too long ago we treated women like commodity too.

repogirl:
I agree that some parts of the world are unfair in their treatment of females but what they do is actually trampling upon females and a human being's fundermental human rights in a bid to control them for selfish reasons. Those are issues that matter and should be discussed and taken seriously, not opening ones nippl'es because men do so and other trivial matters feminists argue about.

I completely agree with you on that one. Nice post!

BUTCHCASSIDY:
Interestingly most women I meet who parrot Chimamanda and women rights are some of the laziest, most stupid, and unproductive individuals who contribute nothing except maybe sex. Then they want respect to be given to them because they are women. Its amusing to hear a runsgirl who depends on big men to supplement her income then turn around and tell you women's right meanwhile the Alhajis's beat her and treat her like crap and she will absorb it all, she wont tell them about Chimamanda and women rights O. She will swallow every humiliation they throw at her like a dog then come around and be shouting rights.

Cutehector:
Feminist! No wonder she isn't married...

Velocitron:


Look, this is getting exhausting. Just to make sure we're on the same page, I'm 100000% for gender equality. I'm a woman myself, why would I think any man is better than me simply by just being a man?

I just think modern feminism or third-wave feminism has been sidetracked into making women victims of circumstance rather than empowering them and helping those really in need, like women whose faces are being mutilated with acid for fleeing from abusive husbands or victims of FGM etc. Those are real issues not 'my uncle didn't let me break kolanut when I was a child'.