All I can see is money

Entrance to the British museum is free. Not that much money is made

and some body said when the british came to Africa, we were all naked.

How can a naked man produce such an amazing craft work that even the thieves couldn't hide the fact that they were stolen.

britain the big thieves. stealing our artifacts since time immemorial

This is some ancient alien stuff,scary...bet these stuffs cost awhole lot

How Wonderful they all are!!

Edo Culture is just too Rich!

quimicababes:


This mask is epic and came across it in a documentary on West Africa on youtube and the presenter actually visited Benin City in the series.Apparently Edo people still practice the art where a guy actually showed how they produce them.

I think Nigeria should ask the UK to return those pieces as the ones they have in Benin the guy said they were replicas as the British stole the originals.

hmm I think there are still more replicate of these in Nigeria...

I think it is safe in that country because if it were to be in Nigeria,Nigerians will worship those artifacts. Then later on after given their life to christ their will burn them all.

Hmmmm..... E too long to read sef. Nice one op. Hope say NOK own dey there?

My man it would be better if you showed us the picture in the actual museum as you have accused them of stealing them and putting them in their museum...

Just my Opinion as you just cant post pictures of Nigerian Artifacts and say you saw them in a british museum without putting pictures of them in the so called museum.

Say your words with facts and actual pictures of where you saw them.

seangy4konji:
My man it would be better if you showed us the picture in the actual museum as you have accused them of stealing them and putting them in their museum...

Just my Opinion as you just cant post pictures of Nigerian Artifacts and say you saw them in a british museum without putting pictures of them in the so called museum.

Say your words with facts and actual pictures of where you saw them.

Many museums do not allow you to take pictures. I almost got thrown out of one while trying to take pictures like a thief.

quimicababes:


Never heard of the Owo but the Binis are definitely epic with regards to their arts.The only stuff I would put above them are the Ife heads.The Ife heads are out of this world and are extremely beautiful.I like them alot .Bini folks seem to be quite artistic... I even like their wedding regalia..the coral beads and intricacy is dope.

I know a little about Ifa but I actually don't follow it though I know folks who follow it.I got invited to attend Shango Day which is being held here on 7th of June but I am not religious at all.I still have mad appreciation for African religious systems however.

It is interesting to see Yoruba gods in Bini arts though on nairaland Edo and Yoruba folks seem to have a supremacy battle to see who birthed who lol.I stumbled across a Ghanaian who said they are the same but Europeans decided to classify them as diffeent folks...so I don't know.What can't be denied is that they are indeed related however.That's something I need to research more.

I get your point on not returning them to Naija but I dunno...I still don't think it should be in the UK.It is sad that Naija folks don't appreciate their indigenous culture but I would say Yoruba and Bini folks are putting up a good fight towards holding onto their indigenous cultures though more needs to be done.That's black man for you...he calls his own culture evil.Indians don't apologize for Hinduism and actively practice it.

I actually like the idea of developing Osun state for tourism with regards to culture/heritage.So yea they should try to get the Ife heads and put it there.Nika is doing a good job in trying to keep the art of adire alive also.

Its sad to see these artifacts outside while our museums are empty .
We need the returned ASAP

Nice repository of history. Salute to Osun: Ore Yeeyeo!!! And to Oduduwa: Toto Irumole, eyin tOba lOrisha funwa o. Wonder why Oduduwa was call ODUDOWA and not Ekaledahan.

Cool

Get a spy camera..Pen or wrist watch or glasses..Max 30 Quid and do the needful but i guess you are saying the truth.If you can do this then our goverment can request this things be sent back to us to put in our museums so they travel here to see them.

Caracta:


Many museums do not allow you to take pictures. I almost got thrown out of one while trying to take pictures like a thief.

AfricanGod2:
Entrance to the British museum is free. Not that much money is made

Donations account for a lot.

Also special exhibits bring in money.

As well as the events that are held there on the back of their ability to say that they have so many artifacts.

There's nothing 'British' about the 'British Museum', besides it's location. Most of the artifacts there were stolen from elsewhere - at least the most interesting ones are. It might be the largest collection of stolen goods in the world.

@Shymex, the intricacy is really mind-blowing. I have got the kids to see them too.

@Yoruba religions in Benin, it's very simple.

With Oranmiyan/Oba Eweka 1 dynasty came many Ife gods to Benin and maybe thereafter too. And mostly like several skilled people too.

Even the priest in charge of royal ancestral shrine (Chief Oloton of Benin) came with Oranmiyan from Ife. The same family is still in charge till now.
Freeborn citizens of Ife & few visitors were the only people allowed to enter the palace without body tattoo (iwu) which every Benin adult used to have as a mark of Benin identity. Until about the 19th century.

In any case, in my part of Edo State, unique deities my ancestors returned with from OWO are still there, of course most are now Christians. Even Owo dialect spoken there is just gradually dying out now. And there are at least 25 villages with Eastern Yoruba heritage like that I know of.

Like the Romans, Benin people adopted gods even from vassal states. Like my family were imperial ambassadors in Owo. Princely ambassadors adopted such deities across areas that fell under Benin control at some point. It was a good diplomatic move too. A sign of respect from supposed overlords. Like Romans adopted Greek and Egyptian gods.

I consider Benin not as a tribe, but as a culture. Being a Benin person is belonging a central cultural heritage and the Oba as the custodian of tradition, traditional religion and culture. But actually it's a kaleidoscope of many traditions and cultures, some indigenous, some adopted. Many non-Benin cultures have survived within Benin Kingdom, in a way they might not have done elsewhere. Diversity seemed to have been quite normal, especially as mercenaries and skilled people from elsewhere were welcome.


For example, the large number of Benin people in Akure, Owo, Ondo, Ikare, Ekiti areas and so on called Ado-Akure (Edo n'Ekue) colloquially, till about 1914, now all go by Yoruba name and identity. Whereas, in the last 200 hundred years, two Benin Traditional Prime Ministers (the Iyase), doubling as head of the army and second-in-command to the Oba, were chosen from among Ado-Akure people, Okoro-Otun being the best known.
Another Iyase came from Brass (a son of the Amayanagbo/King of Brass) in recent memory. Being of Benin royal ancestral ties. I know their descendants, who are all proud Benin people today. Even the current Iyase is of Urhobo heritage.

The clamour for tribal supremacy and independence in Nigeria makes it difficult to talk about our historical interdependence.

Sorry for the epistle.

This is just a fraction of what was stolen from Africa. Requests have been made for the return of these artifacts but all entreaties have been rebuffed.

South South and lower Niger Rich in culture .
Is there nothing from the north in British Musuem?

proud of my culture

OboloMAN:
South South and lower Niger Rich in culture .

Is there nothing from the north in British Musuem?

anoda tribal bigot...wwhen will you grow up?!!!!!!!!

The stolen African dreams, this is one of the evil of colonialism. they stole our civilization and use it back on us. African man should learn how to do things on his own without the interference of Europeans.

*Singing*

In Timaya's voice*

Some worship idols, some worship juju!!
Me I just d look them like say dem be mumu!!
How you go just the worship a man made god oooo

I will not bow down...


>>>>>

mmsen:


Donations are account for a lot.

Also special exhibits bring in money.

As well as the events that are held then on the back of their ability to say that they have so many artifacts.

There's nothing 'British' about the 'British Museum', besides it's location. Most of the artifacts there were stolen from elsewhere - at least the most interesting ones are. It might be the largest collation of stolen goods in the world.

Yep. Most exhibitions are backed and sponsored by top businesses/corporations as well as several endowment/trust funds.

As for the "stolen" artefacts, I do not see them returning any of them anytime soon. To the British, they are spoils of war and a reminder of the 'glory' days they conquered and colonised one country after another.

OboloMAN:
South South and lower Niger Rich in culture .

Is there nothing from the north in British Musuem?

I have had the opportunity to visit museums in the North. They've got well stocked museums.

You will be marvelled at their rich cultural heritage.

Ignorance is truly a disease.

AreaFada2:
@Shymex, the intricacy is really mind-blowing. I have got the kids to see them too.

@Yoruba religions in Benin, it's very simple.

With Oranmiyan/Oba Eweka 1 dynasty came many Ife gods to Benin and maybe thereafter too. And mostly like several skilled people too.

Even the priest in charge of royal ancestral shrine (Chief Oloton of Benin) came with Oranmiyan from Ife. The same family is still in charge till now.
Freeborn born citizens of Ife & few visitors were the only people allowed to enter the palace without body tattoo (iwu) which every Benin adult used to have as a mark of Benin identity. Until about the 19th century.

In any case, in my part of Edo State, unique deities my ancestors returned with from OWO are still there, of course most are now Christians. Even Owo dialect spoken there is just gradually dying out now. And there are at least 25 villages with Eastern Yoruba heritage like that I know of.

Like the Romans, Benin people adopted gods even from vassal states. Like my family were imperial ambassadors in Owo. Princely ambassadors adopted such deities across areas that fell under Benin control at some point. It was a good diplomatic move too. A sign of respect from supposed overlords. Like Romans adopted Greek and Egyptian gods.

I consider Benin not as a tribe, but as a culture. Being a Benin person is belonging a central cultural heritage and the Oba as the custodian of tradition, traditional religion and culture. But actually it's a kaleidoscope of many traditions and cultures, some indigenous, some adopted. Many non-Benin cultures have survived within Benin Kingdom, in a way they might not have done elsewhere. Diversity seemed to have been quite normal, especially as mercenaries and skilled people from elsewhere were welcome.


For example, the large number of Benin people in Akure, Owo, Ondo, Ikare, Ekiti areas and so on called Ado-Akure (Edo n'Ekue) colloquially, till about 1914, now all go by Yoruba name and identity. Whereas, in the last 200 hundred years, two Benin Traditional Prime Ministers (the Iyase), doubling as head of the army and second-in-command to the Oba, were chosen from among Ado-Akure people, Okoro-Otun being the best known.
Another Iyase came from Brass (a son of Amayayagbo/King of Brass) in recent memory. Being of Benin royal ancestral ties. I know their descendants, who are all proud Benin people today. Even the current Iyase is of Urhobo heritage.

The clamour for tribal supremacy and independence in Nigeria makes it difficult to talk about our historical interdependence.

Sorry for the epistle.

Interesting and enlightening.
Could you please create a thread to further discuss this.
Wondering why Bini's great history is almost lost to even Edos themselves.
These little details are going to be important in the days ahead...for posterity's sake.
Or if possible comment on a thread I've picked interest in...politics section.
Been trashing out history with friends from the South East who are all galled up by the claims of Ikas and Anioma
that they came from Benin.
My little research could find no evidence save the presence of Bini and Igalla settlers from Agbor to Onitsha...who were in the
minority.
Would love to know more about the relationship between Bini and the Igbos on both sides of the Niger.
Looking forward to your response. Tnx.

Dis Pple thief us die

Goodnuel:
*Singing*

In Timaya's voice*

Some worship idols, some worship juju!!
Me I just d look them like say dem be mumu!!
How you go just the worship a man made god oooo

I will not bow down...


>>>>>

Fool !

Nice