agaugust:


South Africa CANNOT even deal with local Rhino poachers. What COIN can you do in 2015 when you fail at home !
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Poachers are not a military concern

agaugust:


SANDF helicopter that was sh.ot down by Rhino poachers inside your homeland Kruger park while fighting Poachers, is a big evidence
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Who says it was shot down?

agaugust:


Nigerian army trained Zimbabwe who then trained South African army chief of staff.

Nigeria directly trained South African air force deputy chief of staff, we own your entire air force.

Nigerian army trained South Africa in COIN war classrooms in Kaduna.

We own SANDF and SAAF all together

http://www.africanoutlookonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8196:college-trains-103-counter-insurgency-operatives-from-nigeria-9-other-countries&catid=48:political-news&Itemid=29
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1. The Zimbabwe link is completely invalid
2. You trained him how to fly - no military training
3. No you did not

We directly trained you.

We own you.

End of story

lionel4power:
yes we shall work tirelessly and vigorously to make this zulus bow down to the superior intellect and divine might of a NIGERIAN. Despite all adversity we still triumph and stand tall among world giants to the utmost chagrin of those zulus. And to the delight of all African countries who look up to us for guidance and leadership (SA included).
NIGERIA THE UNDISPUTED GIANT OF AFRICA. When we make music All AFRICA DANCE WITH HAPPINESS except SA which chose to die in envy.

You are living in Disney™ Land, I see. SA own you and you are its slaves.

Patchesagain:

1. The Zimbabwe link is completely invalid 2. You trained him how to fly - no military training 3. No you did not
We directly trained you.
We own you.
End of story

see classic case of denial

mzilakazi:



You are living in Disney™ Land, I see. SA own you and you are its slaves.

smh 4 u s.a own Nigeria......now ur brain z functioning in d opposite way....I know u meant NIG own S.A don't worry z just ur error(typographic) but apology accepted....

ddami:
smh 4 u s.a own Nigeria......now ur brain z functioning in d opposite way....I know u meant NIG own S.A don't worry z just ur error(typographic) but apology accepted....

Wow!!! babes I was just lashing out at your fellow brother with factual statements. Anyway, when will we communicate?

MikeCZAR:
The F-35 is not over-rated just wait until it makes combat debut.


If people had the internet during world war 1 someone would've said tanks have no future in warfare cause they keep breaking down.

It is. I hope you do know Canada has pulled out it's order for 65 planes, and is instead looking at the Gripen E/F and Rafale as replacements.

Your Tank comparison is inaccurate. Right from the start, it was clear that the British had invented the world's greatest equipment.

Armed UGV'S are just not it. Asides providing covering fire, i see no other use for them.


@all, the T-14 is to be equipped with an AESA radar. The coolest Tank in the world just got cooler.

agaugust:


Nigerian army trained Zimbabwe who then trained South African army chief of staff.

Nigeria directly trained South African air force deputy chief of staff, we own your entire air force.

Nigerian army trained South Africa in COIN war classrooms in Kaduna.

We own SANDF and SAAF all together

http://www.africanoutlookonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8196:college-trains-103-counter-insurgency-operatives-from-nigeria-9-other-countries&catid=48:political-news&Itemid=29
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Desperation will never help you at all. How does two SANDF members who attended a course in Nigeria at your request equate into training the whole SANDF. South Africans trained the whole Nigerian government troops, from their generals to their privates. Shame!!!

Msanzi own you.

MikeCZAR:
American training is good.


Leadership is the problem is those organisations.

American training is no good. It just doesn't work!

The Iraqis abandoned over 2300 armoured vehicles in Mosul, in a fighting ratio of 11:1 in favour of the Iraqi army. This is a fighting force that had received extensive American training.


You absolutely cannot blame this on poor leadership.

Henry120:


It is. I hope you do know Canada has pulled out it's order for 65 planes, and is instead looking at the Gripen E/F and Rafale as replacements.

Your Tank comparison is inaccurate. Right from the start, it was clear that the British had invented the world's greatest equipment.

Armed UGV'S are just not it. Asides providing covering fire, i see no other use for them.


@all, the T-14 is to be equipped with an AESA radar. The coolest Tank in the world just got cooler.

Reports the Canadians deny

Unmanned and armed ground vehicles have multiple uses, from IED/Mine detection, urban recon, perimeter defense and CBN detection

The one that most sticks out is perimeter defence - you could set them up on pre-determined patrol routines, and have them activate to a centralized controll module when something is detected. Meaning that one man can operate and manage as many sentries as you want.

I dont understand your obsession with the F-35, I can only assume you dont understand its role or are not fully aware of its capabilities. And for the love of god stop going on about "its not stealthy" - stealth is not its primary focus, it is simply a design feature.

MikeCZAR:
Go tell that to IDF!


Sea USV are highly useful and have been used before the word "drone" become famous.

USV's like UGV's are terribly useless. Only the IDF is a significant user, even at that, there limitations are well detailed in IDF use.

Henry120:


American training is no good. It just doesn't work!

The Iraqis abandoned over 2300 armoured vehicles in Mosul, in a fighting ratio of 11:1 in favour of the Iraqi army. This is a fighting force that had received extensive American training.


You absolutely cannot blame this on poor leadership.

Henry

I told you before

I will tell you again.

Iraqi troops with American training are not involved in front-line combat - they are wisely being held in reserve.

Currently it is militia (shia) and domestically trained men (read: militia in Iraqi army uniforms)

And yes - it is literally because of poor leadership.

You forget that the Iraqi army went from ZERO men in ~2005 to 283,000 in less than a decade. Standards have to be VERY low to build up that kind of manpower. It takes generations to build up the skills and human capital for an effective army.

As for American training - consult with the Germans, Koreans, Isrealy's, Columbians and Japs about the quality of American training.

Henry120:


USV's like UGV's are terribly useless. Only the IDF is a significant user, even at that, there limitations are well detailed in IDF use.

How are they useless?

Do you wish to swim out to sea-mines yourself and disarm them?

Do you wish to wander around the battle-feild and try detect NBCW deployment?

No? Ok, then they arent useless

jln115:

Only time will tell mate!! But quite like the idea of sitting Kms away in a nice airconditioned room, shooting at my enemy without them actually shooting back at me.

How then do you reload from KM's away?

agaugust:


South Africa CANNOT even deal with local Rhino poachers. What COIN can you do in 2015 when you fail at home !
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Since, when was anti-poaching a military assignment?

Henry120:


How then do you reload from KM's away?

You dont

You pull back the drone and send out a replacement

mzilakazi:


Since, when was anti-poaching a military assignment?

Since he has been desperatly looking for something to criticize us about

Henry

While you critique the Americans training qualities due to Iraqi army failures.

You seem to have overlooked Eastern Bloc training failures in:

- Syria
- Egypt
- Angola
- Pakistan (oh pakistan you pathetic pathetic military)
- Afghanistan
- Libya

mzilakazi:


Wow!!! babes I was just lashing out at your fellow brother with factual statements. Anyway, when will we communicate?

Apparently u lashed out trash and I corrected ur mistake 4 u I expected a thank u but u are welcome......D only communication we are having is- Nigeria z d best country in Africa...u nid 2 assimilate d@ b4 u com up wit "WE" communicate in ur dreams

Henry120:


It is. I hope you do know Canada has pulled out it's order for 65 planes, and is instead looking at the Gripen E/F and Rafale as replacements.

Your Tank comparison is inaccurate. Right from the start, it was clear that the British had invented the world's greatest equipment.

Armed UGV'S are just not it. Asides providing covering fire, i see no other use for them.


@all, the T-14 is to be equipped with an AESA radar. The coolest Tank in the world just got cooler.

And India just reduced the number of Rafales it is going to buy, cause they wanna funds to purchase some local aircraft.

UGV can do a lot of things.

So?

Being cool doesn't make a system effective in the field.

Patchesagain:


- The South Koreans didnt have any real sort of Army before the Americans provided assistance.

How did the South Korean Army fare DURING the war?

What is the state of ROK forces now?

How did ROK forces perform in Veitnam?

- Is FARC on its knees or not? Yes or no!

- Is Kobani still under seige?

- US trained Iraq troops have not been involved in the fighting.

- Are American combat forces in Iraq? I ask again, if US COIN policy is so bad, point to one country they have been pushed out of.

- Again, I like how you held back on mentioning that the JDF, Bundeswehr and IDF

Henry, you hate for America is so transparent - all because they wouldent sell you weapons and cut their training aid to you. As usual Nigerians display their overly emotional nature.

Nigeria cancelled the training with the Americans, and not the other way round. Get your facts right.

*that's a legitimate reason to hate the Americans. American deception and hypocrisy stinks to high heavens.

However, that's not the reason why I think American training is sh1t. It simply is, and I have given enough reasons and actual instances why American training is largely ineffective.


- South-Korea was getting their a$ses handed to them in the Korean war before American intervention.

In a battle with the North with outside interference I see same thing happening again. Hi-tech of photographs don't mean effective.


- Farc controls a large chunk of Colombia, despite years after years of American Training, equipment and favour. Militarily Farc is still very effective and are no way on their knees.

- Kobani is rubble..... after over 1000 largely ineffective airstrikes. they broke the siege alright...... as well as the city. nitwit!

- whatever you mean by U.S trained iraqi troops..... the Iraqi Army is completely U.S setup and virtually U.S trained you m0ron!!

- do you even understand what COIN is?


- Japan, Germany all had and still have large very experienced militaries. Nothing to do with the U.S.

Patchesagain:


You dont

You pull back the drone and send out a replacement

Buhahahahahahahahaha........


*i just hope you knew that was a sarcastic comment.

Armed UGV's are a waste of resources.

Patchesagain:


How are they useless?

Do you wish to swim out to sea-mines yourself and disarm them?

Do you wish to wander around the battle-feild and try detect NBCW deployment?

No? Ok, then they arent useless

My comparisons are specific. A de-mining drone or an IED disposal robot aren't the same thing as armed UGV or USV.

The differences have since been clear.

Henry120:


American training is no good. It just doesn't work!

The Iraqis abandoned over 2300 armoured vehicles in Mosul, in a fighting ratio of 11:1 in favour of the Iraqi army. This is a fighting force that had received extensive American training.


You absolutely cannot blame this on poor leadership.

Resources and manpower are placed under a commanding officer.


If he lacks command and control!

If he can't manage resources and men under placed him!

Well you'll see what is happening in Iraq. Demoralised forces routing, scampering and leaving equipment behind.

Organisational weaknesses!

Henry120:


Buhahahahahahahahaha........


*i just hope you knew that was a sarcastic comment.

Armed UGV's are a waste of resources.

Do you really know just how important is UGV young boy?

Henry120:


Nigeria cancelled the training with the Americans, and not the other way round. Get your facts right.

*that's a legitimate reason to hate the Americans. American deception and hypocrisy stinks to high heavens.

However, that's not the reason why I think American training is sh1t. It simply is, and I have given enough reasons and actual instances why American training is largely ineffective.


- South-Korea was getting their a$ses handed to them in the Korean war before American intervention.

In a battle with the North with outside interference I see same thing happening again. Hi-tech of photographs don't mean effective.


- Farc controls a large chunk of Colombia, despite years after years of American Training, equipment and favour. Militarily Farc is still very effective and are no way on their knees.

- Kobani is rubble..... after over 1000 largely ineffective airstrikes. they broke the siege alright...... as well as the city. nitwit!

- whatever you mean by U.S trained iraqi troops..... the Iraqi Army is completely U.S setup and virtually U.S trained you m0ron!!

- do you even understand what COIN is?


- Japan, Germany all had and still have large very experienced militaries. Nothing to do with the U.S.

- South Korea got very little support from America before the war.

In a war with the North (without Nukes) the ROK would fvcking curb-stomp the North. Are you insane? Do you think a paltry 1,7 million half starved peasants with obsolete weapons stand a chance against 3,5 million men with some of the most advanced equipment on the face of the planet?

Dude, you are beyond delusional if you think that the North stands a snowballs chance in hell against the South!! One Sejong The Great destroyer is enough to down half the north korean Airforce!!

- FARC are literally on their knees and have been forced to the negotiation table.

- No US trained troops are involved in the fighting around Ramadi
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2015/05/28/no-us-trained-troops-in-iraqs-new-fight-for-ramadi/28083677/

- Again, is Kobani still under siege? No? Ok then. Those "innefective airstrikes" not only stopped ISIS in its tracks - but broke its back and allowed the Kurds to break out of the pocket!

- Yes, I understand COIN - we are the people your government pay to teach you about it. Now answer the question - list successfull insurgencies that have pushed American combat troops out of their zones and have lead to a succesfull insurgency. Please say Veitnam, fvcking please

- German, Japanese, Korean and Isrealy militarys are amongst the top 10 most powerfull in the world - thanks to US training and doctrine.

Henry120:


Buhahahahahahahahaha........


*i just hope you knew that was a sarcastic comment.

Armed UGV's are a waste of resources.

Because you say so?

All the armies and designers have no idea what they are doing... but you do?

Yeah, ok.

Patchesagain:


Henry

I told you before

I will tell you again.

Iraqi troops with American training are not involved in front-line combat - they are wisely being held in reserve.

Currently it is militia (shia) and domestically trained men (read: militia in Iraqi army uniforms)

And yes - it is literally because of poor leadership.

You forget that the Iraqi army went from ZERO men in ~2005 to 283,000 in less than a decade. Standards have to be VERY low to build up that kind of manpower. It takes generations to build up the skills and human capital for an effective army.

As for American training - consult with the Germans, Koreans, Isrealy's, Columbians and Japs about the quality of American training.

"the Iraqi army went from ZERO men in ~2005 to 283,000 in less than a decade. "


Who was in charge of Iraq then, who built the numbers? Shai militia men are the guys who doing most of the heavy lifting.

Colombia = Sh1t.
Israel = experiences from world war II
Germany and Japan = the Axis of evil in world war II. They are both class acts and none of it has anything to do with the Americans.

Henry120:


My comparisons are specific. A de-mining drone or an IED disposal robot aren't the same thing as armed UGV or USV.

The differences have since been clear.

Why cant they do both?

Huh? a de-mining drone that can defend itself and thus does not need to by baby-sat by troops?

Also, you seem to be avoiding the whole "perimiter defence" concept like the plauge - probably as you know that it is perfect for it

lionel4power:
that was a sarcastic comment that you gripped and wont let go. Even my smart phone knows the difference between gorilla and guerrila

Dude if it was sarcastic why then did you defend your statement when you said Congo had way more natural resources than Thailand and thus it was richer?
BTW it was a subconscious mistake just go look at my older comments from a few weeks back were I correctly typed guerrilla warfare

Henry120:


"the Iraqi army went from ZERO men in ~2005 to 283,000 in less than a decade. "


Who was in charge of Iraq then, who built the numbers? Shai militia men are the guys who doing most of the heavy lifting.

Colombia = Sh1t.
Israel = experiences from world war II
Germany and Japan = the Axis of evil in world war II. They are both class acts and none of it has anything to do with the Americans.

Americans built the initial core - the Iraqi's built the rest themselves

Colombia = about to win a war against insurgents
Isreal = American trained, supplied and built.
German and Japanese Armies were disbanded after WW2 - and rebuilt by the Americans in the 1950's.

Again, henry, your overly emotional nature and unwarranted dislike for the west (it must hurt to have your affections turned down) is clouding your judgement.