Maduks88:

Has muller scored up to 10 league goal from open play in the last five year?

Yes he has.

Muller scored over 10 league goals from open play in 2010, 2011, 2013, 2014.

Thank me later

raumdeuter:

The only reason I "liked" Chelsea hen was because they were a threat to Man Utd who were Bayerns rival in Europe
Just like I "like" Atletico now because they are a threat to Madrid our European rivals
But when some Chelsea twats started in their own mind thinking they are anywhere close to Bayern thats where we draw a distinction.
Why would I say anything about Chelsea when they are a very inferior club? Do you hear me saying anything about Spurs or Aston Villa?
I started paying attention in 2011 during AVB era because of the falsehood nateevs was spewing and I announced it publicly that was wen I discovered that the Chelsea thread housed more ignoramus than even the Arsenal threas

Dude, 2004 to 2012, Bayern were our sons in Europe.

We were always in semi-final or final while Bayern was nowhere to be seen.

We even flogged you 4-2 in 2005 on our way to the semis.

Nigga, the only reason you were cool is because there was no comparison between Chelsea and Bayern on any level from 2004 to 2012.

Na Jupp Heynckes give you mouth to make noise from 2013 onward. . . . . but actually, our record against you in UCL is clean in living memory. We've beat you every time, even in your home stadium in the final. You are our bytches in Europe. Save the taunting for Manure and Arsenal who you actually have a record against. Since I was born, we've faced you twice in UCL and defeated you both times.

homesteady:


Haaa!
18 assists? oga na wa for you oh

Can you explain the bolded more?

playing both of them produced more assists than xavi and iniesta.

A40:

Look at this eembecile! Why not shut that sewer you call a mouth if you have nothing intelligent to say. Pendejo


You are a colossal phool! 38 games against the likes of QPR, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Crystal Palace and other useless teams. So we should award Hazard the best for performances based on a year no EPL team even made it past the second round in any of Europe's elite competitions? You dey craze!

u are a pure blockhead..... Nd Manuel Neuer keeps against who?? Hamburg and kolns? When he got exposed to real attackers we all saw how mignolet he was, robben and ribery play against who? Gotze is a big stage flop playing against who

Dnt tell me trash oga......

A40:

Neymar: 4 goals in the WC, 13 in the CL
Mueller: 10 goals in the WC, 28 in the CL. World Champion, CL Champion
Hazard: 5 goals in 3 seasons of CL, only two from open play, nothing in the WC
However you cannot tell me that a Hazard with no record to boast of outside the EPL is in the same class with the Mueller's, Neymar's.

Neymar 13 CL goals in 2 seasons average 6.5 goals per season
Muller 28 CL goals in 6 seasons average 5 goals per season
Bale 9 CL goals in 3 seasons average 3 goals per season
Reus 10 CL goals in 3 seasons average 3.3 per season
Gotze 9 CL goals in 4 seasons average 2.25

HAZARD 5 CL goals in 4 seasons average 1.2 goals per season and 0.5 goals from open play per season

^^^ That above is the definition of failure

Ibime:


Dude, 2004 to 2012, Bayern were our sons in Europe.

We were always in semi-final or final while Bayern was nowhere to be seen.

We even flogged you 4-2 in 2005 on our way to the semis.

Nigga, the only reason you were cool is because there was no comparison between Chelsea and Bayern on any level from 2004 to 2012.

Na Jupp Heynckes give you mouth to make noise from 2013 onward. . . . . but actually, our record against you in UCL is clean in living memory. We've beat you every time, even in your home stadium in the final. You are our bytches in Europe. Save the taunting for Manure and Arsenal who you actually have a record against. Since I was born, we've faced you twice in UCL and defeated you both times.

Lol only twerps would be celebrating victory in games while the opponents is winning the trophy.

That would be like Senegal calling France their bittch or Cameroun calling Argentina their bittch because they beat them in the world cup

Let me help/ask you, Is SPain Nigerias bittch since we beat them the last time we met them at the world cup?

I would expect that kind of talk from those without deductive reasoning

Since you were born, How many times has Chelsea won vs How many times has Bayern won the CL

A40:

Ode ni e. You be oluku!

Zidane has always showed up on the big stage. Deciding big matches UCL and World Cup Finals. What has Hazard done outside the EPL

We have been asking you eediots that question for almost 3 months but no one has been able to answer.

Excellent chances and dribbles against West Brom and Aston Villa is not what puts you in the same pantheon with Zizou and other great players.

How many times do we have to spell it out to this ret@rd?

Is it until i refer u to the super cup where Bastian and boateng where dusting their body after hazard put them in there place Or where he sent lahm to play guitar with the corner flag and scored a back pass from 'mignoneuer'??

bigkesh:


Is it until i refer u to the super cup where Bastian and boateng where dusting their body after hazard put them in there place Or where he sent lahm to play guitar with the corner flag and scored a back pass from mignoneuer

And I saw Lahm and Boateng lifting the cup on that night, what did Hazard win on the night?

raumdeuter:


In football, the biggest trophies are the WOrldcup, Champions league, EUro cup in that order

If a player can dominate a world cup then its senseless to ask about what he would do in FA cup. Like a man who wins the Olympics 100m dash and next thing you are asking why didnt he win his High school 100m

Ronaldo Lima, Pele, Maradona dominated world cups and its senseless for anyone to start asking why they didnt win lesser competitions like CL, Europa League etc

All top players would point to a high point in their career, WOrld cup wins, CL wins, Euro cup wins, CL finals appearance, World cup finals appearance etc.

WHat does Hazard have to show

LOL....

So what does Neymar have to show? How many UCL have he won? How many WC? How many highest goal scorer (both WC and UCL) ? How many top assist (both WC and UCL)?

Shifting goal post as usual.

Cc A-40

Only a biased mind will overlook 'overall performance' and isolate a competition that suits him to rate a player.

raumdeuter:


And I saw Lahm and Boateng lifting the cup on that night, what did Hazard win on the night?

i av seen a certain bertrand lift the cup on a particular staying in a game where muller play his life out....

We where talking about turning up on big games

please what and what page from the last 5 did you guys talk chelsea and not some boring back and forth

when is bertrand traore joining up with the squad

bigkesh:
i av seen a certain bertrand lift the cup on a particular staying in a game where muller play his life out....

We where talking about turning up on big games

Is Bertrand another name for Hazard? So Hazard has no CL trophy to show you have to borrow from Bertrand?

timbros:


LOL....

So what does Neymar have to show? How many UCL have he won? How many WC? How many highest goal scorer (both WC and UCL) ? How many top assist (both WC and UCL)?

Shifting goal post as usual.

Cc A-40

Only a biased mind will overlook 'overall performance' and isolate a competition that suits him to rate a player.

You can only ask what Neymar has won if Hazard has won the same thing

Neymar hasnt won the CL nor WOrld cup but has 13 CL goals in 2 seasons

That is more than twice what Hazard has in 4 seasons of CL football

raumdeuter:


How many of those Hazard goals are from penalties?

we are talking abt chances and assists and u re talking abt goals.

Greatihex:
we are talking abt chances and assists and u re talking abt goals.

How many assists did Hazard create? According to soccernet Hazard created 9 Fabregas did double

raumdeuter:


A lot of those Hazard goals were from penalties him and other players won for the team

So still begs the question How come Fabregas was able to create 18 goals for his team this yr and Hazard cant even make double digits

hazard scored only 5 goals penalty dis season. So tel me where most of his goals are penalty.

Greatihex:
hazard scored only 5 goals penalty dis season. So tel me where most of his goals are penalty.

Did you include the one he scored from penalty rebounding back to him? How many goals from open play? Now bring the figures of his contemporaries in EUrope and lets see his goals and assist numbers to know where he ranks

raumdeuter:


Is Bertrand another name for Hazard? So Hazard has no CL trophy to show you have to borrow from Bertrand?

what age did robben win his first ucl, oh dont bother ibrahimovic must be poor

A40:

No I'm not ignoring the context. I'm telling you that the game has changed. With guys like Messi, Mueller and Ronaldo shining in the league and UCL year in year out you cannot produce performances in the league alone as proof of dominance

Hazard is so far a failure because he has no achievements of note outside the EPL. None, zilch, nada

Ronaldo scored 16 goals in 5 seasons of CL competition. Hazard has 5 in 3 seasons. Only 2 from open play! This is abysmal and such player has no business dining with the elite


Because I understand Hazard does not come from a footballing superpower which is why I'm not even accounting performances for country (which have been abysmal by the way). If I don't rate him based on the CL what should I rate him on? EPL performances alone? Taa


Again you are the one not understanding the 'context' how can you tell me not to mention the World Cup. I listed guys like Neymar and Mueller among the big boys because they are tried and tested in International competition

Neymar: 4 goals in the WC, 13 in the CL
Mueller: 10 goals in the WC, 28 in the CL. World Champion, CL Champion
Hazard: 5 goals in 3 seasons of CL, only two from open play, nothing in the WC
Ronaldo: 16 goals in 5 seasons of CL, 15 goals in the WC, World Champion

So tell me why and what business Hazard has in being listed with any of these guys? Either for club or country he has achieved nothing!!!


No you have cleared nothing, of course Ronaldo might not have lived up to his high standard in elite Europe but he still had 36 goals in all European competitions. 16 in the CL alone (only 1 PK)

If you consider he tore his knee twice before his 2nd season in the CL then you would recognize his achievements were respectable

However you cannot tell me that a Hazard with no record to boast of outside the EPL is in the same class with the Mueller's, Neymar's.

Can you spare me all those stats? You asked me to focus on the biggest Europe competition and you're here giving me WC stats.

Of what use is Ronaldo's 16 goals in UCL without a medal? Did any of those goals give him even a UCL golden boot award?

Fact is, Hazard looks at his trophy cabinet, no Champions League medal (for now), no UCL golden boot (for now), 1 Europa League medal.

Ronaldo looks at his trophy cabinet, no Champions League medal, no UCL golden boot, 1 UEFA cup medal.

Like you asked me to, I'm focusing on "biggest Europe competition".

raumdeuter:


You can only ask what Neymar has won if Hazard has won the same thing

Neymar hasnt won the CL nor WOrld cup but has 13 CL goals in 2 seasons

That is more than twice what Hazard has in 4 seasons of CL football

Since both of them haven't won any of the trophies, let's talk about their overall performance as a player. Goals scored is only part of overall performance.

timbros:


Can you spare me all those stats? You asked me to focus on the biggest Europe competition and you're here giving me WC stats.

Of what use is Ronaldo's 16 goals in UCL without a medal? Did any of those goals give him even a UCL golden boot award?

Fact is, Hazard looks at his trophy cabinet, no Champions League medal (for now), no UCL golden boot (for now), 1 Europa League medal.

Ronaldo looks at his trophy cabinet, no Champions League medal, no UCL golden boot, 1 UEFA cup medal.

Like you asked me to, I'm focusing on "biggest Europe competition".

AT age 24, Ronaldo had only played 1 season of CL football, that was in the days fewer teams were in the competition

WHen ROnaldo checks his collections he sees before age 24

2 World player of the year awards, 1 Ballon D or, Top scorer in Spanish League, Top scorer in DUtch league, World cup runner up, European golden boot, etc

WHich of these can we say for Pius Ikedia Hazard

timbros:


Since both of them haven't won any of the trophies, let's talk about their overall performance as a player. Goals scored is only part of overall performance.

So what should we measure them by when Neymar takes Hazard to school in terms of productivity aka goals?

Maybe blind alley dribbles, haircut or tattooes?

timbros:


Can you spare me all those stats? You asked me to focus on the biggest Europe competition and you're here giving me WC stats.

Of what use is Ronaldo's 16 goals in UCL without a medal? Did any of those goals give him even a UCL golden boot award?

Fact is, Hazard looks at his trophy cabinet, no Champions League medal (for now), no UCL golden boot (for now), 1 Europa League medal.

Ronaldo looks at his trophy cabinet, no Champions League medal, no UCL golden boot, 1 UEFA cup medal.

Like you asked me to, I'm focusing on "biggest Europe competition".

Modified!! Sorry thought it was cr7

^^ He was talking about Ronaldo de Lima

AirborneLacer:


You're just knowing?

The last time I made a sarcastic analogy with Matthaus, the nigga was quick to accuse me of comparing his god with JT.

Actually, this is what happens when someone is sentiment-ridden. You're up against the most emotional figures this forum have got

Sarcastic? More like eediotic! Abeg swerve!

When Raumdeuter said he discriminated based on intelligence I thought he was just goading but its evident he was driving at something.

All these placebo analysts. You showed your arse and instead of admitting your folly you are doing cartwheels in eediocy Anyone who doesn't know the exploits of one half of the Iron Curtain can not possibly be taken serious in any football debate

You are just ignorant

AirborneLacer:

According to the warped assertion of my friend 40, anyone International and UCL success eludes is definitely a local champion.

I'm sure lbrahimovic and Nedved are having a hell of a laugh now

Forum heavyweights.

Of course that is a very valid assertion. How can merely shining in league competitions validate the legacy of a player. Listing Ibrahimovic a perennial big game ghost only buttresses your buffoonery.

Nedved at least helped his club to a CL Final and his country to a Euro Final and semi-final. Only an obtuse fellow like you would compare him to a local champion like Hazard who has no record to boast of either in the CL or for Belgium

You are a flyweight.

JigsawKillah:


Ramires vs Barca 2012
Torres vs Barca 2012
yet they didn't make Balon D'or and Chelsea won the UCL
what is now your point?

Even Kanu Nwankwo scored against Barca @ Camp Nou. So what is your point?

Your win against Barca in 2012 was d biggest fluke in history of European football. That's why the two players can't enter top 50 players in European football.

I await the day you face Barca with Hazard in your team vs MSN. Ordinary PSG with a man down, Hazard activated ghost mode.

bigkesh:


Is it until i refer u to the super cup where Bastian and boateng where dusting their body after hazard put them in there place Or where he sent lahm to play guitar with the corner flag and scored a back pass from 'mignoneuer'??

Did you win the game? You lost after being thoroughly outplayed from start to finish! So in 3 years of elite European Football that is the only achievement 24 year old Hazard can boast of? What a shame

No wonder his name rhymes with one hit wonder Azadus. Although come to think of it he had two hits which makes Hazard even worse

Bigkesh delete that screenshot from your phone, go to Squawka and get an updated version

Hazard compared with his fellow mates!

raumdeuter:


How many assists did Hazard create? According to soccernet Hazard created 9 Fabregas did double

and more than half came frm corner kicks. Dnt u get it?

raumdeuter:


Did you include the one he scored from penalty rebounding back to him? How many goals from open play? Now bring the figures of his contemporaries in EUrope and lets see his goals and assist numbers to know where he ranks

so you count rebound goal as penalty goal? Dnt players miss rebound? Dnt forget, even messi missed one dis season, plus many other penalties.

timbros:


Can you spare me all those stats? You asked me to focus on the biggest Europe competition and you're here giving me WC stats.

Of what use is Ronaldo's 16 goals in UCL without a medal? Did any of those goals give him even a UCL golden boot award?

You talk a lot about context but I don't see you applying it here. UCL is the metric because I recognized not all players come from traditional football powers

Ronaldo didn't win the UCL but he also did not drop a pathetic 2 goals from open play in Europe's elite competition after 3 seasons.

You are yet to explain what any of this has to do with Hazard and why it vindicates him. Last I checked he does not have a WC medal

timbros:

Fact is, Hazard looks at his trophy cabinet, no Champions League medal (for now), no UCL golden boot (for now), 1 Europa League medal.

Ronaldo looks at his trophy cabinet, no Champions League medal, no UCL golden boot, 1 UEFA cup medal.

Like you asked me to, I'm focusing on "biggest Europe competition".

Ronaldo De Lima has 36 goals in all European competitions

Tell us about Hazard! International medal he no get, UCL he no get, goals he no score

So please tell us why Hazard belongs among the elite? And why anyone in their right minds would say he is as good as Mueller or Neymar

timbros:


LOL....

So what does Neymar have to show? How many UCL have he won? How many WC? How many highest goal scorer (both WC and UCL) ? How many top assist (both WC and UCL)?

Shifting goal post as usual.

Cc A-40

Only a biased mind will overlook 'overall performance' and isolate a competition that suits him to rate a player.

He has already won a double in only his 2nd year in Europe. Gunning for a treble

9 goals in the Champions League. Almost double of Hazard's total in 1 year

4 goals in one WC to Hazard's none. I will not even go to their overall goalscoring records for country because the gulf is embarrassing

Any competition you want to use Mueller and Neymar destroy Hazard and the margin is very wide