raumdeuter:


Where is the evidence of this overall output?

I can see Goals I can see assists. Is it that Hazard has more saves or dives more than Neymar?

hensben:
chances created(not assist), interception/assisting in defending, dribbling these are what count for hazard, same thing ribery did for bayern that awarded him third/2nd best footballer in the world and europe best.

WHats chances created when we are not talking about assist? Its like counting shots taken instead of goals scored, or a keeper counting number of dives instead of actual shot stopped.

Dribbling is just another skill like heading running etc. They are useless when you dont use it to achieve score or assist.

Do you see anyone awarded anything because he knows how to head the ball or run without scoring or assisting. Valencia is rated as the fastest footballer, Who cares about that skill?

raumdeuter:


You said Neymar is a striker and Hazard is a midfielder, yet Hazard cant even assist more goals than Neymar

SO in which output does Hazard do better?

This is the gist....
Iniesta dribbles two, plays a defence splitting pass to Messi.... Messi plays a one-two with Suarez nd he lays it off for neymar.. GOAL...... interchange the positions and u gat the same result...
When u play 4-3-3, u play 3 attackers.. When u get the ball u av 2 other partners, a short and 'ok' pass gets u an assist esp when that pass is to Suarez and Messi....
A counter attack, u play with each other.....
Iniesta and Xavi never had more than 15 assists each, y?? Pedro messi VillA running things, thats y u hear Msn and not Busquet, Xavi nd iniesta......
This also explains y an ok passer in Cr7 has double figure assists, it explains y BBC has more assist than their their mfs......
They will av more assist but they will never have more forward passes, accurate passes and chances created.....

Stats tell the true story when u use it well

raumdeuter:


Hazard was the one who failed to track an Atletico player which led to Chelsea elimination.

Neymar was the one who scored 3 goals out of 5 in a CL semi that saw Barca in the final

SPOT THE DIFFERENCE

no sense in what you typed...football is a team sport, if suarez failed to score psg probably barca will be out same with messi against bayern with his solo run and assist won barca the match. hazard failed to track back? lol you just dey yarn like who new start to watch football. no offense.

A40:

Tell us why Hazard's performance is so poor

Neymar is a full year younger than Hazard but his achievements have already dwarfed that of the local champion.

What double? You call that WAFU cup equivalent Capital One a double? The winner does not get to qualify for anything in the event that they fall out the top 6 that is how useless the competition is

What achievements really?

What has Neymar achieved compared to Hazard's?

Do you just type and argue for the sake of it?

If scoring more goals in Europe is the achievement you're talking about, then I guess it's high time you quit puffing roasted ants.

timbros:


You see, too much arguments will make you shoot yourself in the foot. But I'll dig it out later.

And Madrid?

I know what I argue and I am consistent. Thats why I can pull a statement I made 4yrs ago to shut Ibime down on why I moved to the Chelsea thread

Bayern and Madrid both were knocked out at the same level and are equal this season.

Chelsea knocked out in the second round would be on the same level with Shakthar Donetsk and Basel

A40:

Ta ni arindin asinwin yii? Iru soro wo lo n se e gaan naa

Sergio Ignoramus


Pele also found Nii Lamptey, Godwin Opara etc while Maradona thought Mueller was a ball boy. Opinion will not score goals or provide assists on the pitch, pundits will not help Hazard get to the Final of the UCL, World or Euro Championships

Same was ur opinion is invalid

bigkesh:

This is the gist....
Iniesta dribbles two, plays a defence splitting pass to Messi.... Messi plays a one-two with Suarez nd he lays it off for neymar.. GOAL...... interchange the positions and u gat the same result...
When u play 4-3-3, u play 3 attackers.. When u get the ball u av 2 other partners, a short and 'ok' pass gets u an assist esp when that pass is to Suarez and Messi....
A counter attack, u play with each other.....
Iniesta and Xavi never had more than 15 assists each, y?? Pedro messi VillA running things, thats y u hear Msn and not Busquet, Xavi nd iniesta......
This also explains y an ok passer in Cr7 has double figure assists, it explains y BBC has more assist than their their mfs......
They will av more assist but they will never have more forward passes, accurate passes and chances created.....

Stats tell the true story when u use it well

bro abeg help tell that kiddo..all what he has been screaming is goals goals..ok should we now say lampard>>iniesta and xavi combined since football is all about who scored/assisted. lol

Squawka scores is the point of reference for any argument on NL!
So lets see their total scores (which consists of defence, possession and attack) of both hazard and Neymar

Cc Timbros, Hensben

hensben:
no sense in what you typed...football is a team sport, if suarez failed to score psg probably barca will be out same with messi against bayern with his solo run and assist won barca the match. hazard failed to track back? lol you just dey yarn like who new start to watch football. no offense.

You know Neymar scored 4 goals against PSG and 3 goals against Bayern this season

I just started watching football. WHen I talk I speak with facts

[size=15pt]Chelsea 1-3 Atletico: Juanfran skips past Hazard for two goals[/size]

Mourinho believes it was Hazard that was primarily responsible for the defeat. “Eden is the kind of player that is not so mentally ready to look back to his left-back and to leave his life for him,” he said. “If you see the first goal of Atletico you completely understand where the mistake was and why we conceded that goal. The perfect team at the top level cannot make these kinds of mistakes…no, I’m not happy.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2014/05/02/chelsea-1-3-atletico-juanfran-skips-past-hazard-for-two-goals/

"Chelsea’s defence had been imperious in Madrid, and secure for 44 minutes here but then Tiago crossed from left to right, catching the defence out. Hazard failed to run back with Juanfran, who turned the ball across"

with 18 minutes remaining. Hazard again failed to track Juanfran, who lifted the ball in and Arda headed against the bar."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/champions-league/10798193/Chelsea-1-Atletico-Madrid-3-agg-1-3-match-report.html

AirborneLacer:


What achievements really?

What has Neymar achieved compared to Hazard's?

Do you just type and argue for the sake of it?

If scoring more goals in Europe is the achievement you're talking about, then I guess it's high time you quit puffing roasted ants.

And what has hazard achieved? wining PFA player of the year when his competitors were Kane and Coutinho?

homesteady:


And what has hazard achieved? wining PFA player of the year when his competitors were Kane and Coutinho?

Shush.

I'm not the one bragging about some ghost achievements.

If you all must brag about Neymar's achievements, then I wish to see them get reeled out.

raumdeuter:


WHats chances created when we are not talking about assist? Its like counting shots taken instead of goals scored, or a keeper counting number of dives instead of actual shot stopped.

Dribbling is just another skill like heading running etc. They are useless when you dont use it to achieve score or assist.

Do you see anyone awarded anything because he knows how to head the ball or run without scoring or assisting. Valencia is rated as the fastest footballer, Who cares about that skill?

ok let me tell you importance of dribbling and play-make; it di-stabilizes opponent thereby, creating space for team mate to either score or assist just like what iniesta and xavi does for barca reason they have lesser assist/goals per season compare to the likes of lampard, gerrard in their prime. the formal wins more trophies( e.g; xavi-iniesta in spain) compare to the later (e.g; lampard-gerrard in england),it has been so since history of the game because the later is mainly base on individual play(i.e lampard want to score, gerrard want to score as well, no cohesive play among the two hence leaving the midfield vulnerable for opponent to shi..t on). you still don't get it? lol

homesteady:


And what has hazard achieved? wining PFA player of the year when his competitors were Kane and Coutinho?

league 1 young player of the year twice, league 1 player of the year, epl young player of the year and epl player of the year now tell me that of neymar's..i dey wait.

hensben:
ok let me tell you importance of dribbling and play-make; it di-stabilizes opponent thereby, creating space for team mate to either score or assist just like what iniesta and xavi does for barca reason they have lesser assist/goals per season compare to the likes of lampard, gerrard in their prime. the formal wins more trophies( e.g; xavi-iniesta in spain) compare to the later (e.g; lampard-gerrard in england),it has been so since history of the game because the later is mainly base on individual play(i.e lampard want to score, gerrard want to score as well, no cohesive play among the two hence leaving the midfield vulnerable for opponent to shi..t on). you still don't get it? lol

If your dribbles dont result in assists or goals they are useless. In football one of the greatest moments was when Maradona dribbled 5 players and SCORED

This season CL was when Messi dribbled Boateng and SCORED or Iniesta dribbled 4 PSG players and ASSISTED.

If your dribbles don't result in a goal or an assist it is useless plain and simple.

Xavi and Iniesta especially Xavi rarely dribbles anyone.WHat he is known for was his control of the field and vision. Thats why they are the model midfielders.

A40:

Leave them let them keep overhyping Azadus like TAN folks did with GEJ


This is like a Juve fan bragging to a Madrid fan when the UCL title ratio is 5:1. If say na AC Milan wey get 7 I for even hear

Your sons? Say whaaat

Why all your pictures in Black and White?

In my era of watching footie, Bayern has little bragging right over Chelsea in UCL.

hensben:
league 1 young player of the year twice, league 1 player of the year, epl young player of the year and epl player of the year now tell me that of neymar's..i dey wait.

All those are achievement in Leagues. Are you saying Hazard is poor in CL goals, poor in CL assists,

If we want to count what Neymar did in South America or Confederations Cup. He won South America player of the year two times . What has Hazard done compared

Ibime:
Why all your pictures in Black and White?

In my era of watching footie, Bayern has little bragging right over Chelsea in UCL.

WHy not show us the ones Chelsea won even if it was with pinhole camera?

In my years of watching CL football Bayern 2 titles 4 finals gazillion semi finals

If its little, then add that little to Chelsea so that can be ahead of Bayern

AirborneLacer:


Shush.

I'm not the one bragging about some ghost achievements.

If you all must brag about Neymar's achievements, then I wish to see them get reeled out.

hensben:
league 1 young player of the year twice, league 1 player of the year, epl young player of the year and epl player of the year now tell me that of neymar's..i dey wait.

1)South American footballer of the year (×2)
2)Let me not mention the awards he got from his league!
3) Puskas award for best goal
4) Confed cup Golden boot
5) Confed bronze boot
6) World Cup bronze boot

Hazard ain't got nothing on Neymar when it comes to individual awards!

homesteady:
Squawka scores is the point of reference for any argument on NL!
So lets see their total scores (which consists of defence, possession and attack) of both hazard and Neymar

Cc Timbros, Hensben

www.nairaland.com/attachments/2476758_34928_png2b5b44f40da8a42fe6dee0a169a164c7

Timbros, Hensben and bigkesh

#Fact


Excluding dis year's potential award(s) ,Neymar has 42 individual awards while hazard has 16 individual awards minus player of d month awards (same as Neymar)

Even bale who was the most criticized player in the world was more productive than Hazard

homesteady:


1)South American footballer of the year (×2)
2)Let me not mention the awards he got from his league!
3) Puskas award for best goal
4) Confed cup Golden boot
5) Confed bronze boot
6) World Cup bronze boot

Hazard ain't got nothing on Neymar when it comes to individual awards!

A40 is looking at the titles won, and I'm afraid, that's exactly the achievements I sincerely wish to see.

Thank you.

homesteady:


www.nairaland.com/attachments/2476758_34928_png2b5b44f40da8a42fe6dee0a169a164c7

Timbros, Hensben and bigkesh

compare Ronaldo with hazard, hazard will win 80% of the catergories but Ronaldo will get the total score....

Goals carry more

Even at that, neymar plays with messi, suarez, iniesta.... Better goal nd assist rate

AirborneLacer:


All these one na grammar. You're only supplying us with epistles from Apostle Paul.

Was Nedved a success on the international and UCL fronts? You claim to know your game, so I expect you to answer this with ease.

You're of the opinion that any player who International and UCL success eludes is a local champion and a failure.

So I ask, are Ibrahimovic and Nedved who never won on the international and CL scenes failures? Would you say they had a horrendous career because they couldn't lift the UCL and WC? Would you consider an average player like Goetze a bigger talent because he won more?

Answers on a postcard abeg.

You seem really talented at asking very stewpid questions.

I gave a very detailed response in my previous post to you. If you have eyesight issues ask someone to read and explain

It takes a special kind of buffoon to label Goetze an average player when he has surpassed the achievements of your local champion and best player at the tender age of 22. Goetze is as big a talent if not bigger, Ibra did not match Goetze's achievements at 22 and neither did Nedved. However this is an extremely phoolish question and comparison because Goetze is not even halfway into his career

List out Nedved and even Ibra's achievements and tell us how many Hazard has surpassed

timbros:

Which achievements if I may ask? UCL trophies? Personal awards?

I'm not going that lane wit you cuz you asked me to focus on the biggest competition in Europe. Let's focus please.

Neymar was voted the 3rd best player at the last World Cup.

9 goals in one season in the UCL. More than Hazard's combined total

Already in the UCL Final. A feat Hazard has never achieved

Whether UCL whether World Cup Neymar trumps Hazard from every angle

parrotibaba:
#Fact


Excluding dis year's potential award(s) ,Neymar has 42 individual awards while hazard has 16 individual awards minus player of d month awards (same as Neymar)

How many in brazilian league.....
42u must av included pele's daily award of excellence

Ibime:



Why all your pictures in Black and White?

In my era of watching footie, Bayern has little bragging right over Chelsea in UCL.

No be only black and white na black and yellow. Shey you never hear of grayscale?

How can it be so when even the 1970 WC came in color.

Sorry football did not start in your era

Our UCL ratio is 5:1. We can dash you two titles and you still won't have more

League title 5:1

By all intents and purposes una no dey our level same way Juve with 2 titles cannot brag to a Madridista with 10

homesteady:



1)South American footballer of the year (×2)
2)Let me not mention the awards he got from his league!
3) Puskas award for best goal
4) Confed cup Golden boot
5) Confed bronze boot
6) World Cup bronze boot

Hazard ain't got nothing on Neymar when it comes to individual awards!

tournament of about 6 games or so to 38 league games lol.

bigkesh:

How many in brazilian league.....
42u must av included pele's daily award of excellence

which one is Pele's daily award? dis r his individual awards dat he won both in club n country ,n if u want to remove his awards from his days at Santos den remove hazard's awards from his days at Lille

hensben:
tournament of about 6 games or so to 38 league games lol.

Did you read the 1st 2 points?
Did he play only 6 games to win South America player of the year?

did you not see where I wrote that I won't mention his league awards?

homesteady:
Even bale who was the most criticized player in the world was more productive than Hazard

Standards differ.

A40:

You seem really talented at asking very stewpid questions.

I gave a very detailed response in my previous post to you. If you have eyesight issues ask someone to read and explain

It takes a special kind of buffoon to label Goetze an average player when he has surpassed the achievements of your local champion and best player at the tender age of 22. Goetze is as big a talent if not bigger, Ibra did not match Goetze's achievements at 22 and neither did Nedved. However this is an extremely phoolish question and comparison because Goetze is not even halfway into his career

List out Nedved and even Ibra's achievements and tell us how many Hazard has surpassed them.

I tend to ask you a lot of questions, hoping that you'll retract from posting too many tampons.

Achievements and title don't underline the true worth of a player.

I once expounded how supporting cast play a vital role in winning laurels.

Bosingwa has 2 UCL medals in his locker. If we're to follow your assertion, I'm sure you'll say he's better than Azpilicueta who's yet to win it.

This was thisame mistake you were making when you asserted that Boatenk is better than JT.

Nigga free Hazard abeg.