lezz:
we are the best in Africa. Your opinion isn't worth a mention

lezz:
you're the lying one. Hardly an S.A club where Nigerian music isn't blasting. Nigerian music are the most played in BBA.

D'banj opened your world cup.

lezz:
you're the lying one. Hardly an S.A club where Nigerian music isn't blasting. Nigerian music are the most played in BBA.

D'banj opened your world cup.

LeSudAfricaine:
D'banj opened the world Cup, in keeping with the "African world cup" theme, other african artists like K'naan of Somalia also took part . South African clubs do play two or three tracks from Wizkid or so,but on the whole Nigerian music is not that popular in SA, South African people are crazy about house music, that's what comes first

jln115:

Nope Sweden cancelled its SAM project altogether.
Bangladesh chose a Chinese Frigate above the one South Korea was offering which would've used the Umkhonto missile, thus they rejected the whole system offered by S Korea and not just the missile.

Valour vs Tiger


http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/east-european-navies-vessels-ships-equipment/russian-navy-vessels-ships-equipment/patrolsmall-fighting-ships/74-project-203802038220385-steregushchytigr-class-corvette--stealth-steregushchiy-soobrazitelnyy-boiky-sovershennyy-stoiky-provornyy-russian-navy-datasheet-pictures-photos-video-specifications.html

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524:fact-file-valour-class-small-guided-missile-frigates-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/december-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2272-german-built-meko-a-200-an-frigate-for-algerian-navy-launched-by-tkms-in-kiel.html

Patchesagain:


Short range otomats - never been test fired, past their use-by date
Obsolete SAM's - never been test fired, past their use-by date
Unknown torpedos - doubt that they even exist
Obsolete combat suite - pathetic capabilities
Obsolete sensors - ancient hardware
Crew with ZERO training and ZERO experience
A navy with no training in full spectrum maritime warfare.

agaugust:


Why did Indonesia drop Umkhonto? You ran away from that point? They chose an European missile. Bangladesh could have configured it on a Chinese ship if it was worth it, but no. Umhkonto range/ceiling is bad for the price.

Thanks for proving me right with your sources that Tiger frigate is better than Valour frigate:

Anti-ship missile-

Tiger, 130 km range
Valour 70 km range

Anti-aircraft missile-

Tiger 40 km range
Valour 15 km range

Gun-

Tiger 20 + km range
Valour 16 km range

Algeria is buying Umkhonto 15 km range, but they have Russian missile with 40 km range as their main naval air defence weapon.

No argument needed. Case Closed
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MikeCZAR:
Just like Aradu.

Unoperational and obsolete.

Henry120:


There is nothing advanced about you Frigate. The Algerians...... they are the ones who sail a proper advanced valour class.

I've posted in the parts, articles which report that the SAN got Frigates with defective combat suites.

Henry120:


They could have purchased missiles from any compatible missile supplier.


Accordingly, I invite the commission’s members to inspect Ysterplaat, to see for themselves how many there are in their state of airworthiness.”

He said government acquired four frigates that were reportedly equipped with defective engines and an obsolete combat suite and armoury system.

“South Africa acquired three submarines that spend most of the time on the ‘hard’ at Simon’s Town and 50 BAE Hawk and BAE/Saab Gripen fighter aircraft for which the country had almost no pilots to fly them, mechanics to maintain them, or even the money to fuel them.

Henry120:


Your ignorant leaders got sub-standard boats.

Henry120:


- Apartheid government

- Angola is "communist".

agaugust:


Algeria buys almost anything, Chinese missile, Russian missile, French missile, spending spree. Algeria also has superior Russian missiles on their Tiger class frigates, they outrange the Umkhonto by far.

How many world navies bought Denel Umkhonto missile apart from SAN? 2 customers.

3 other navies evaluated it and dumped Umkhonto...8km max ceiling shiiit....ordinary Alpha jets will r.ape Valour frigate to death
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agaugust:


Meko frigate is NOT flagship of Algeria, they have superior Russian Tiger frigates.

Algeria just bought it to diversify weapons purchases as usual.

Brazil is just evaluating not buying, they are fooling you for the sake of friendship, they avoided Rooivalk and bought Hind E like Nigeria.

If Umkhonto's not shiiit, why did Sweden reject it?
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agaugust:


Why go on with no proof? Citations for Tiger Vs Valour.

Sweden saw that the Umkhonto was not worth the price, they won't budget so much millions for a missile with 8km max ceiling.

Indonesia and Bangladesh dumped Umkhonot and bought Chinese/European missiles.

Tiger class frigates are superior to Valour frigates
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jln115:

Stop making things up bro!!You asked me to provide a citation and I did, now its your turn to provide a citation.

agaugust:


Why did Indonesia drop Umkhonto? You ran away from that point? They chose an European missile. Bangladesh could have configured it on a Chinese ship if it was worth it, but no. Umhkonto range/ceiling is bad for the price.

Thanks for proving me right with your sources that Tiger frigate is better than Valour frigate:

Anti-ship missile-

Tiger, 130 km range
Valour 70 km range

Anti-aircraft missile-

Tiger 40 km range
Valour 15 km range

Gun-

Tiger 20 + km range
Valour 16 km range

Algeria is buying Umkhonto 15 km range, but they have Russian missile with 40 km range as their main naval air defence weapon.

No argument needed. Case Closed
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Patchesagain:


He thinks a corvette is better than a frigate

agaugust:


Citations needed for the above list of lies
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agaugust:


All four Balsam class supply ships of Nigeria are operational, they came into service between 2005 and 2010.

SAS Drakensberg is Obsolete, project hotel is looking to replace it, but no money.

Patchesagain:



What is this BS!

You think it's just about range?

Clown

Patchesagain:


Prove me wrong

agaugust:


My claims are from your own citations.

Tiger frigate missiles and gun

http://www.enemyforces.net/missiles/kh_35.htm

http://defenseupdates..ca/2013/02/third-project-20380-steregushchy-class.html

http://www.burevestnik.com/products_engl/a190.html

It's an unnecessary argument, The Tiger will sink the Valour from 130 km away and sh.oot down Gripen from 40 km away
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Patchesagain:


Algeria chose Umkhonto for their flagship

agaugust:


Yes it is.

You think ships fight according to their names....Olodo
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agaugust:


Your list had zero citations, not welcome on this forum
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Patchesagain:


How many SAMs does the Valour class have in combat?

If the tiger is better - why did Algeria decide to buy the Valour class and not more Tigers?

Hahahahahhaha

agaugust:


Is G-6 artillery not all about range when you boast of it?

Range is not important when South Africa is at a disadvantage, right?

You just said today that Nigerian Otomat has short range?

You need to enjoy defeat sometimes, it will make you maintain sanity
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agaugust:


Algeria wanted Russian and German ships. They buy east and west.

Tiger missile 40 km
Valour missile fvcking 15 km

Deal with it

Patchesagain:


How will an alpha jet engage a Valour Class from 8km up?

Patchesagain:


Ufthe Tiger is better

Why did they buy the Valour class?

agaugust:


My claims are from your own citations.

Tiger frigate missiles and gun

http://www.enemyforces.net/missiles/kh_35.htm

http://defenseupdates..ca/2013/02/third-project-20380-steregushchy-class.html

http://www.burevestnik.com/products_engl/a190.html

It's an unnecessary argument, The Tiger will sink the Valour from 130 km away and sh.oot down Gripen from 40 km away
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