Patchesagain:


Last I checked the enemy can't shoot down the shells fired by a G6

Patchesagain:


ANd we have posted citations that show the combat suite on the Valour Class is the same as the French navies flagship and it's most modern frigates?

agaugust:


Maverick missiles or unguided munitions exploding overhead
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agaugust:


Why did they buy Russian missile and French missile?

agaugust:


Last I checked, the G-6 is not a direct fire weapon, it's an area ordnance, the precision effect is a wild game of chance.

Why did you compare Otomat range with Exocet range?

Answer my question.

agaugust:


Big lie.

France does not use Umkhonto. France uses 180 km range Exocet. France does not use 1977 non-stealth guns on a stealth ship.

You think everybody is M0R0N like South Africans? Non-stealth gun on a stealth ship, LOL this is hilarious maaadness
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Patchesagain:


- South Africa
- No Cubans in angola

Patchesagain:


So the French navies nuclear powered aircraft carrier and 5 defective frigates?


You fvcking joker

Patchesagain:


ANd the testimony of the man who said that has been shown to be completely wrong

He was destroyed in front of the Sereti Commission

Again you post irrelevant opinion

jln115:

Angola communist? are you delusional?

jln115:

If Afrikaners justify apartheid, why do most of us vote DA?

Henry120:


Apartheid government

- Angola is "communist".

Henry120:


Why don't you start providing actual citations.

Henry120:


No evidence.

Patchesagain:


The long term goal of the Bush War was never to effect regeime change in Angola

It was to prevent PLAN infiltration into Namibia by helping UNITA controll Southern Angola, war aims extended to ensuring a Cuban withdrawal in the later years of the war

scha123:




That doesnt make any sense, since Cuba were only involved because SA entered in Angola, Chester Crooker with the linkage made it sound like that, the truth is without SA invasion angolan government would never invite cubans to fight.
At end of the day Angola/Cuba/Namibia were on the right side of the history, apartheid died, namibians got independence, cubans left Angola with honor and MPLA never lost the power

Patchesagain:


What maverick missiles?

How will you hit a target from that height? Why did the Argentinians have to attack at low level?

agaugust:


Argentina had no PGMs on their jets after using up their 5 Exocets.

Maverick missile is a guided air to surface missile with ~ 20 km range, Alpha jets use it, yes it will sink a Valour frigate from 9 km altitude
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Patchesagain:


The class’ combat management system (CMS), apparently accounts for about 40 percent of each ship's cost) was provided by Thales Detexis at a total cost of R2.599 billion. The Tavitac system is also fitted to the French La Fayette-class frigate and versions are aboard the Saudi F3000 air defence frigates and the nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524:fact-file-valour-class-small-guided-missile-frigates-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

The said proposed architecture ("CS7 mod 1" made use of the CCII Systems's IMS, but in conjunction with the Tavitac CMS, thus requiring an alteration to the data-transfer protocols linking the CMS to the IMS.
200. These alterations would have involved :
200.1 incorporating a so-called Bridge Interface Unit;
200.2 incorporating a Dual Protocol Stack;
at additional cost to CCII Systems.
201. All the proposed alternative architectures, including "CS7 mod 1", deviated from :
201.1 the formally accepted combat suite baseline which was at that time embodied in the Combat Suite Functional Specification ("the Functional Specification" and Combat Suite System Design Document ("System Design Document"; and
201.2 the URS subsequently issued in December 1998 and revised in March 1999.
202. At the same design review meeting in August 1998, representatives of ADS (among others, Messrs D.N. Hiles, D.C. Law-Brown and K.C. O'Neill) sought to undermine CCII Systems's IMS by asserting that the IMS (and the architecture associated with it) entailed an unacceptable risk.
203. At a meeting of the technical committee held at Mount Edgecombe on 5 November 1998, ADS was directed by SAN and Armscor to generate and issue a technical description of the architecture "CS7 mod 1", explaining the proposed changes in the combat suite design, but this was never done.

Patchesagain:


France uses the same combat suite of as the Valour class on those vessels

The radar cross section of the gun is negligible

Henry120:



[b]The said proposed architecture ("CS7 mod 1" made use of the CCII Systems's IMS, but in conjunction with the Tavitac CMS, thus requiring an alteration to the data-transfer protocols linking the CMS to the IMS.
200. These alterations would have involved :
200.1 incorporating a so-called Bridge Interface Unit;
200.2 incorporating a Dual Protocol Stack;
at additional cost to CCII Systems.
201. All the proposed alternative architectures, including "CS7 mod 1", deviated from :
201.1 the formally accepted combat suite baseline which was at that time embodied in the Combat Suite Functional Specification ("the Functional Specification" and Combat Suite System Design Document ("System Design Document"; and
201.2 the URS subsequently issued in December 1998 and revised in March 1999.
202. At the same design review meeting in August 1998, representatives of ADS (among others, Messrs D.N. Hiles, D.C. Law-Brown and K.C. O'Neill) sought to undermine CCII Systems's IMS by asserting that the IMS (and the architecture associated with it) entailed an unacceptable risk.
203. At a meeting of the technical committee held at Mount Edgecombe on 5 November 1998, ADS was directed by SAN and Armscor to generate and issue a technical description of the architecture "CS7 mod 1", explaining the proposed changes in the combat suite design, but this was never done.[/b]

agaugust:


Show us technical specs of combat suites comparing 1999 Valour frigate with 2015 French destroyers. Fool !

Frances uses superior weapons, missiles, guns, torpedoes on French warships
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Henry120:



[b]The said proposed architecture ("CS7 mod 1" made use of the CCII Systems's IMS, but in conjunction with the Tavitac CMS, thus requiring an alteration to the data-transfer protocols linking the CMS to the IMS.
200. These alterations would have involved :
200.1 incorporating a so-called Bridge Interface Unit;
200.2 incorporating a Dual Protocol Stack;
at additional cost to CCII Systems.
201. All the proposed alternative architectures, including "CS7 mod 1", deviated from :
201.1 the formally accepted combat suite baseline which was at that time embodied in the Combat Suite Functional Specification ("the Functional Specification" and Combat Suite System Design Document ("System Design Document"; and
201.2 the URS subsequently issued in December 1998 and revised in March 1999.
202. At the same design review meeting in August 1998, representatives of ADS (among others, Messrs D.N. Hiles, D.C. Law-Brown and K.C. O'Neill) sought to undermine CCII Systems's IMS by asserting that the IMS (and the architecture associated with it) entailed an unacceptable risk.
203. At a meeting of the technical committee held at Mount Edgecombe on 5 November 1998, ADS was directed by SAN and Armscor to generate and issue a technical description of the architecture "CS7 mod 1", explaining the proposed changes in the combat suite design, but this was never done.[/b]

agaugust:


Valour frigates carry 1990s generation combat suite and navionics, plus a 1977 gun that wrecks the stealth capability.

That ship is crap, real crap for $300 million each...fraud....rip off !
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Patchesagain:


and so?

Henry120:


It is obsolete and doesn't even meet the requirements of the SAN.

Patchesagain:


The class’ combat management system (CMS), apparently accounts for about 40 percent of each ship's cost) was provided by Thales Detexis at a total cost of R2.599 billion. The Tavitac system is also fitted to the French La Fayette-class frigate and versions are aboard the Saudi F3000 air defence frigates and the nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524:fact-file-valour-class-small-guided-missile-frigates-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

Same combat suite.

You said it is defective.

If this is so, then so is the combat suite of 5 practically brand new French Frigates and their Nuclear Powered Carrier and Flagship

Obviously, it is not defective or else they would not use it.

agaugust:


Valour frigates carry 1990s generation combat suite and navionics, plus a 1977 gun that wrecks the stealth capability.

That ship is crap, real crap for $300 million each...fraud....rip off !
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Patchesagain:


Nigeria has no PGMS - so its low level assault for you too

Do you have the Maverick?

jln115:

Just to let you know were talking about the Meko 200 and our argument was based on Algeria's Meko's

Anti Ship: 200km (SAAB RBS 15 MK3)
Anti Air : 60km (Umkhonto max range)
Gun : 120km (Otobreda 127/64)

scha123:




That doesnt make any sense what u say, since Cuba were only involved because SA entered in Angola.
Chester Crooker with the linkage made it sound like the cubans were invasors, the truth MPLA requested their help and Fidel Castro have seem Angola as opportunity to show that Cuba can play on international level, without SA invasion angolan government would never invite cubans to fight.
South Africa were defeated twice in Angola, in 1975 the coalition Zaire/South Africa in Kifangondo by Mpla and cubans one day before the independence and at Kwito Kwanavale in 1988. Cubans had nothing to lose and they was already planning to cross to Namibia that scared the white SAns, till today the white SA still live by propaganda, they failled in all plans they had for Angola.

The involviment of white SA in Angola started in 1966, they was helping the white portuguese with the plan to avoid Angolans independence and make a white minority regime in Angola, to be like Zimbabwe, Namibia and SA and with time to be big confederation of white minority in Southern Africa, that plan failled.
They tried desesperately to avoid MPLA to get the power they failled at Kifangondo battle.
They tried to put Savimbi in power, they failled with that plan.
They tried to avoid Namibian independence they failled with that plan.
SA says they won in Angola, how you will go to conversation table with somebody that you have defeated? In a war a winner impose themselves to the losers and no negociate, if they won as they said they would kick cubans out Angola and not negotiate.
In fact on Cairo summit and on New York summit in december 1988, they didnt want Cuba on negotiation table, Angola impose that Cuba should be there, how they get the balls to say that if they were a loser?

At end of the day Angola/Cuba/Namibia were on the right side of the history, apartheid died, namibians got independence, cubans left Angola with honor and MPLA never lost the power..

agaugust:


Bwahahahaha

This Patches is a complete ZERO brain !

La Fayette is a 20 year old French frigate, it was even built before the Valour frigate, you are comparing your Valour frigate with an older warship that no longer a lead ship of France. Fool

Valour frigate systems are 95% obsolete, 20 year old stuff, plus a 38 year old main gun !

FREMM frigate is the new ship of the French navy, why not compare your junk Valour frigate with a FREMM frigate, are you afraid ?
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