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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:08pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Last I checked, the G-6 is not a direct fire weapon, it's an area ordnance, the precision effect is a wild game of chance. Why did you compare Otomat range with Exocet range? Answer my question. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:15pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Big lie. France does not use Umkhonto. France uses 180 km range Exocet. France does not use 1977 non-stealth guns on a stealth ship. You think everybody is M0R0N like South Africans? Non-stealth gun on a stealth ship, LOL this is hilarious maaadness . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:15pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: What maverick missiles? How will you hit a target from that height? Why did the Argentinians have to attack at low level? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:16pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: If the tiger is better Why did they buy a Valour Class? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:17pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: Stick to the argument H |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:19pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: France uses the same combat suite of as the Valour class on those vessels The radar cross section of the gun is negligible |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 3:23pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 3:24pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Why don't you start providing actual citations. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 3:25pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: No evidence. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 3:26pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
jln115: And Angola is a democracy with jose? How long has he been in power? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 3:32pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
jln115:stop that "we" nonsense . you're a half Zulu breed at best. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:53pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Henry120: The long term goal of the Bush War was never to effect regeime change in Angola It was to prevent PLAN infiltration into Namibia by helping UNITA controll Southern Angola, war aims extended to ensuring a Cuban withdrawal in the later years of the war |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:56pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Henry120: The class’ combat management system (CMS), apparently accounts for about 40 percent of each ship's cost) was provided by Thales Detexis at a total cost of R2.599 billion. The Tavitac system is also fitted to the French La Fayette-class frigate and versions are aboard the Saudi F3000 air defence frigates and the nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524:fact-file-valour-class-small-guided-missile-frigates-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:05pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Henry120: Arms deal critic shoots himself in the foot over wild allegations And this is where Crawford-Browne’s evidence falters. Unfortunately, mixed in with important evidence are allegations that, even if true, are simply untestable. They rely on supposed confessions made to Crawford-Browne, allegedly by ANC members, some 15 years ago, and other anecdotal evidence revealed only to Crawford-Browne, verbally, by his sources. http://mg.co.za/article/2014-10-14-arms-deal-critic-shoots-himself-in-foot-with-wild-allegations Under cross-examination, Crawford-Browne said the fighter jets acquired by South Africa were not competitive. The vocal critic was cross-examined by Jennifer Caine, for the defence department. “The Gripens won the best military value competition according to evidence available to this commission. From your personal knowledge, do you have any basis to submit that that is not correct?” said Caine. Caine remarked that Crawford-Browne was the most evasive witness she had ever cross-examined. “You have said the Gripens were an embarrassment to Sweden and had not been sold to any other country. You are quite mistaken about the Gripen,” said Caine. http://mg.co.za/article/2014-10-09-cancel-contracts-return-military-equipment-arms-deal-critic |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by scha123: 4:11pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: That doesnt make any sense what u say, since Cuba were only involved because SA entered in Angola. Chester Crooker with the linkage made it sound like the cubans were invasors, the truth MPLA requested their help and Fidel Castro have seem Angola as opportunity to show that Cuba can play on international level, without SA invasion angolan government would never invite cubans to fight. South Africa were defeated twice in Angola, in 1975 the coalition Zaire/South Africa in Kifangondo by Mpla and cubans one day before the independence and at Kwito Kwanavale in 1988. Cubans had nothing to lose and they was already planning to cross to Namibia that scared the white SAns, till today the white SA still live by propaganda, they failled in all plans they had for Angola. The involviment of white SA in Angola started in 1966, they was helping the white portuguese with the plan to avoid Angolans independence and make a white minority regime in Angola, to be like Zimbabwe, Namibia and SA and with time to be big confederation of white minority in Southern Africa, that plan failled. They tried desesperately to avoid MPLA to get the power they failled at Kifangondo battle. They tried to put Savimbi in power, they failled with that plan. They tried to avoid Namibian independence they failled with that plan. SA says they won in Angola, how you will go to conversation table with somebody that you have defeated? In a war a winner impose themselves to the losers and no negociate, if they won as they said they would kick cubans out Angola and not negotiate. In fact on Cairo summit and on New York summit in december 1988, they didnt want Cuba on negotiation table, Angola impose that Cuba should be there, how they get the balls to say that if they were a loser? At end of the day Angola/Cuba/Namibia were on the right side of the history, apartheid died, namibians got independence, cubans left Angola with honor and MPLA never lost the power.. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:21pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
scha123: The apartheid governments agenda was allways to prevent PLAN from operating out of Southern Angola Cubans got involved because the SADF started launching large scale raids against PLAN camps in Southern Angola and due to the MPLA's inability to resist said raids. Support for UNITA was solely to allow them to form a buffer zone between Namibia and PLAN |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:26pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Argentina had no PGMs on their jets after using up their 5 Exocets. The Argentines used unguided bombs to sink British warships, they lost jets, the British lost ships, in war, both sides lose. Maverick missile is a guided air to surface missile with ~ 20 km range, Alpha jets use it, yes it will sink a Valour frigate from 9 km altitude . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:28pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: Nigeria has no PGMS - so its low level assault for you too Do you have the Maverick? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:28pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: [b]The said proposed architecture ("CS7 mod 1" made use of the CCII Systems's IMS, but in conjunction with the Tavitac CMS, thus requiring an alteration to the data-transfer protocols linking the CMS to the IMS. 200. These alterations would have involved : 200.1 incorporating a so-called Bridge Interface Unit; 200.2 incorporating a Dual Protocol Stack; at additional cost to CCII Systems. 201. All the proposed alternative architectures, including "CS7 mod 1", deviated from : 201.1 the formally accepted combat suite baseline which was at that time embodied in the Combat Suite Functional Specification ("the Functional Specification" and Combat Suite System Design Document ("System Design Document" and 201.2 the URS subsequently issued in December 1998 and revised in March 1999. 202. At the same design review meeting in August 1998, representatives of ADS (among others, Messrs D.N. Hiles, D.C. Law-Brown and K.C. O'Neill) sought to undermine CCII Systems's IMS by asserting that the IMS (and the architecture associated with it) entailed an unacceptable risk. 203. At a meeting of the technical committee held at Mount Edgecombe on 5 November 1998, ADS was directed by SAN and Armscor to generate and issue a technical description of the architecture "CS7 mod 1", explaining the proposed changes in the combat suite design, but this was never done.[/b] |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:30pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Show us technical specs of combat suites comparing 1999 Valour frigate with 2015 French destroyers. Fool ! Frances uses superior weapons, missiles, guns, torpedoes on French warships . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:31pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Henry120: and so? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:32pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: The class’ combat management system (CMS), apparently accounts for about 40 percent of each ship's cost) was provided by Thales Detexis at a total cost of R2.599 billion. The Tavitac system is also fitted to the French La Fayette-class frigate and versions are aboard the Saudi F3000 air defence frigates and the nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle. http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6524:fact-file-valour-class-small-guided-missile-frigates-&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159 Same combat suite. You said it is defective. If this is so, then so is the combat suite of 5 practically brand new French Frigates and their Nuclear Powered Carrier and Flagship Obviously, it is not defective or else they would not use it. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:33pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Henry120: Valour frigates carry 1990s generation combat suite and navionics, plus a 1977 gun that wrecks the stealth capability. That ship is crap, real crap for $300 million each...fraud....rip off ! . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:35pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: Considering they entered service at that time, the age of their combat suites makes sense. Unless you wish the designers to travel into the future, get technology, and then travel back in time to install it. Argument is irrelevant, combat suite on the Aradu is 35 years old. What is the radar cross section of the guns turret? I dont think you understand what stealth is |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:36pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: It is obsolete and doesn't even meet the requirements of the SAN. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:38pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Henry120: 1. Where does it say in your source that it is obsolete? 2. Where does it say in your source that it does not meet requriements? 3. Why would the french navy install obsolete technology on their flagship and latest Frigates? 4. Why would the Saudi's install obsolete technology on their latest and most advanced frigate? Stop wasting out time with pointless emotionally driven arguments. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:39pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Bwahahahaha This Patches is a complete ZERO brain ! La Fayette is a 20 year old French frigate, it was even built before the Valour frigate, you are comparing your Valour frigate with an older warship that no longer a lead ship of France. Fool Valour frigate systems are 95% obsolete, 20 year old stuff, plus a 38 year old main gun ! FREMM frigate is the new ship of the French navy, why not compare your junk Valour frigate with a FREMM frigate, are you afraid ? . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:40pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: The company completely ripped off the South-African government. S.A government paid too much for a substandard system. Anyway, trust patches689 to deny the obvious. SA Navy frigates combt suites are obsolete!! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:41pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Patchesagain: I did not say Nigeria, I said Alpha jet as a platform in general . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 4:44pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
jln115: Dude, learn to leave an argument when you are corrected, trying to argue makes your comments worse. There is no Umkhonto 60 km range missile on any warship anywhere, it's the 12 km I have told you. Then nobody has gun with 120 km range on a ship. Just leave the matter and stop this nonsense. No offence. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 4:46pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
scha123: Thank you! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 4:47pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
agaugust: La-Fayette enetered was commissioned in 1996 Valour Class was commissioned less than 10 years later. Combat suite is from that era of weapons designs. If the valour class has an obsolete system, then so does 5 of frances most modern frigates and their flagship - the Nuclear Powered Charles DeGaulle carrier. |
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