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Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Emusan(m): 8:23pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
KellamLeTorneau: See silly excuse, ALL THE DISCIPLES and Early Christians were persecuted YET they didn't FIGHT FOR self-defense. Read the parts in bold, your claims say until they acknowledge islam and the verse you brought as proof says until they pay Jizya, see how confused or rather blind you are? Are you asking question for putting QUESTION MARK at the end of that statement ![]() ![]() Beside, you lack undrrstanding of simple English. The last time I check to acknowledge can mean to declare one's belief in; as, to acknowledge the being of a God So the command of Allah to Muhammad is what Mr? Read it again: "FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN Allah, nor the LATTER DAY, nor do they prohibit what Allah and his Apostle prohibited, nor FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, out of those who have been given the the Book, UNTIL they pay tax in acknowledgment of superiority AND they are in the state of SUBJECTION" Yes, and Allah does not contradict himself. Because you still want to defend your false Qur'an if not this is a plain contradiction, mind you I'm not even talking about contradiction here but to let you know that Allah knows that there should be NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION but still went ahead commanding Muhammad to FORCIBLY CONVERT PEOPLE INTO Islam. Which trashed any meaning Muslims can apply to that S. 2:256 2 Likes |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 8:49pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Emusan: Neither did the muslims at first. First muslims were ordered to my migrate, then the mekkans tried to turn every muslim sympathizer against them, including a christian King that gave the muslims safe haven, then they followed them to where they were and wanted to finish them, then God ordered them to defend themselves. What's so silly about this? What's so silly about asking where the prophet killed anyone unjustly? Get a grip? Are you asking question for putting QUESTION MARK at the end of that statementLook who's talking, but like I always have, I will bring facts to back up this claim. The last time I check to acknowledge can mean to declare one's belief in; as, to acknowledge the being of a GodAcknowledgement of superiority as used i. The verse to your deluded mind means to acknowledge a god? Where did the verse mention the non Muslims acknowledging muslim God after you fight them? Don't twist words mate. If I say I acknowledge Real Madrid is superior arsenal, does that mean I'm talking about God? Lol! You and your buffoonery. The verse says until and they pay Jizya and acknowledge superiority. Superiority here obviously as any sane person will view it is physical. So the command of Allah to Muhammad is what Mr? Again you have refused to show me where or how the verse says to convert people by force. It says fight until until they pay tax/Jizya, did it say until they become muslims? You don't even know what you're arguing about. 1 Like |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Emusan(m): 10:02pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
KellamLeTorneau: Lol...do you even know that what they did to Jesus' disciples and the early Christians half of it were not done to Muhammad? YET God didn't tell them to fight for their defence. Jesus said to his disciples "if they persecute you in one city flee to another...", "...PRAY for them who despitefully use you, and PERSECUTED you" Can you compare this with Allah's decision? Look who's talking, but like I always have, I will bring facts to back up this claim. Can someone help me interpret this ![]() Acknowledgement of superiority as used i. The verse to your deluded mind means to acknowledge a god? But fight those who do not believe in Allah is not to acknowledge Allah is to praise Jesus. Where did the verse mention the non Muslims acknowledging muslim God after you fight them? Don't twist words mate. If I say I acknowledge Real Madrid is superior arsenal, does that mean I'm talking about God? See how you just wasted the money... Does Real Madrid and Arsenal relate to God? We're talking about your false Qur'an here. Lol! You and your buffoonery. The verse says until and they pay Jizya and acknowledge superiority. Superiority here obviously as any sane person will view it is physical. "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,...nor follow the religion of truth" what does it mean? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 10:27pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
so, those people u quoted marrying children were muhammed examples? Jesus says 'I am the Way, the Truth and Life, no man comes to The Father but by Me' . So what Moses,david , Solomon, etc did are not really relevant now. If you ever wish to go to heaven, where God is, and where Christ promises that in 'My Father house' where there will be no sin, accept Jesus as your Savior, no more i never heard! The age of Mary is not given in the Bible, if you can give me the verse, not outside the Bible, i will appreciate it. I need you to quote the law of Moses that says thou shalt marry more than one wife. Do you know how Jesus was stern on divorse and remarry? Muhammed with the assistance of Allah endorse it. Jesus says 'you have heard by them of old, thou shalt hate your enemy and love your friend, BUT I SAY UNTO YOU LOVE YOUR ENEMIES...'. Read Matthew 5 to 7, from there, you can see example of how Christ explains and fulfils the law of Moses. Stop turning the Bible upside down. Does it mean quran alone is not enough to prove muhammed prophethood? Y don't you go and meet ur brothers bombing each day, and preach muhammed peaceful ways to them, or is there war goin on among the Christian faith now, as we have among and within Islamic countries? Y don't you take this knowledge of yours to the terrorist and make them follow muhammed way of peace, so they can be at peace with each other and non-muslims? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by RapLawd(m): 10:52pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Lilimax: No mind them... na so them tAke dey look for Wetin dem no kiip... Ndi iberibe... Help check my signatory dear... |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by RapLawd(m): 10:52pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Nonsense!!! |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by RapLawd(m): 10:54pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
alansary0064: Op... Did Jesus experience death and was raised after that or he was taken up to heaven without experiencing death ![]() |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by otr1(m): 10:57pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
For the records, when Jesus said He didn't come to abolish the Law, He was talking about the Decalogue not some ceremonial laws or that that concerns foods and drinks. Didn't Jesus Himself say, what you put into your mouth is not what makes you unclean but what comes from your inner mind? Paul was refering to ceremonial laws-which have been nailed to the cross by virtue of Jesus death- while Jesus was talking about upholding the Law- the moral law and 10 commandment. While eating pork is not a sin under grace, murder is. See the difference? Paul never contradicts Jesus. 2 Likes |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 11:13pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Urge these to be calm and let allah fight if he can. 2 Likes
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Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 11:38pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
RapLawd:abi, d op should answer. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 11:39pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
RapLawd:do you mind them? No sane human will claim that muhammed exists in the Bible. Jesus says the comforter is the Holy Ghost, yet they keep trying to force muhammed to fit in. The same john wrote that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and Life, they don't believe that. For instance, I don't believe a single word from the quran! It is 100% lies!! And Satan is the father of lie as Jesus says. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by RapLawd(m): 11:42pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Ovacoma: The worst case is that most of them don't get to read Koran in their own language or dialect for Better understanding, instead, they prefer the indomie hair man's language... |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by otr1(m): 11:43pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Quoting Deut 18:18 and twisting it to be refering to Mohammed ![]() Can we now agree that that chapter has never been altered as usually claimed by our Moslem brothers? If you agree, now go to verse 20 of that chapter "but the Prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, that prophet shall die" Now read Mohammed's own confession: "I have fabricated things against God and have inputed to Him words which He has not spoken"~Mohammed [Al-Tabari 6:111] You must be ready to accept that Mohammed is aa fake prophet according to Bible standard. Stop picking and choosing the texts that make you feel best. 1 Like |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 11:48pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
RapLawd:they usually go and copy what some blind and derailed man wrote, then come here to paste without any understanding of what they are copying and pasting. God will deliver them. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 12:16am On Jun 07, 2015 |
otr1:no single verse in the Bible points to this self acclaimed prophet, yet, to get legitimacy, some mentally challenge people say muha is all over the Bible. He was rejected by the Jews because of the introduction of a strange god to them. God had already commanded them to reject such false prophet that introduce them to any other gods. This is y muhammed was rejected, and he began to kill them, if he was from the same God of the Jews, he will not be slaughtering them and also command his followers to do the same, which they are doing today. Jesus was crucified by the Jews, yet, he didn't even threaten them or ask his followers to be killing them when they could. Many Jewish prophets were persecuted by the Jews, none of them formed an army and began killing the Jews. Aren't the Muslims tired of peddling lies to promote muhammed who was just an original false prophet? Do we need much arguments like these before we can believe this prophet of allah? 1 Like |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by otr1(m): 12:24am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Ovacoma:That Al Tabari verse I quoted earlier is enough not to take Mohammed and his words seroiusly. Let them continue, but I've said my own. 1 Like |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Rilwon: 7:10am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Emusan: That ishmaelite today are blessed, fertile and multiplying him exceedingly ., AND THEY ARE GREAT NATION..... For what great nation is THERE that has gods so close to it as the LORD, our God, is to us whenever we call upon him? Deut 4:7 |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Rilwon: 7:15am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Proffdada:Of course the former. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 7:32am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Rilwon:pathetic! 1 Like |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Rilwon: 7:41am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Ovacoma:Way over your head, isn't it? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by INJESUSNAME: 8:58am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Rilwon: it is unbelievable to see blessed people daily soaking themselves in blood. Perhaps, you mean cursed people. Middle east should be the most peaceful region in the world ,but d reverse is d case as majority of the inhabitants are cursed. 1 Like |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Proffdada: 9:50am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Rilwon:Christianity came before the corruption called Islam |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Rilwon: 10:03am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Proffdada: I believe you didn't reason well before making the above post. Now, if we are to follow your logic above, judaism also came before the corruption called xtianity. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Proffdada: 10:10am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Rilwon:Judaism is adjacent to Christianity, Islam is parallel 2 Likes |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Rilwon: 10:20am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Proffdada: Lol. Indeed, you are confuse. Judaism came first, which by your logic earlier, it is the TRUE, any other thing aside what came first, whether adjacent or parallel is false. I see no reason for christianity again since you claim Judaism is TRUE. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Proffdada: 10:35am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Rilwon:christianity IS Judaism after Christ, Islam is a corruption of Christianity |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Rilwon: 10:48am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Proffdada: Whichever name you choose to call it is your problem not mine. Now, judaism came first which is supposed to be TRUE according to your logic that True came before falsehood. judaism after christ came after pure judaism, that makes it FALSE. Islam as you claimed is a corruption of xtianity, while xtianity is a corruption of judaism. Therefore, the onus is on you to prove to us that pure Judiasm is FALSE, and your judaism after christ is the true one, because both cannot be true at the same time. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Proffdada: 10:52am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Rilwon:Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Rilwon: 11:04am On Jun 07, 2015 |
Proffdada: Does the jews acknowledge the above point? Did they abandon judaism for christianity if truly it came to fulfil it? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 12:07pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
Rilwon:the birth of Jesus, the death, and resurrection of Jesus are predicted accurately in the Jewish book. Jesus quoted from all the five books of Moses, the psalms, Isaiah, Jeremiah and many more. The first Christians were Jews, all the books of the Bible were written by Jews. When Jesus taught he explains what the law really meant, away from what the scribes and d pharisees were teaching and practising. Besides, God had revealed through his prophet that he would make a new covenant with the children of Israel in Jeremiah 31:31. So, if the majority of the Jews didn't accept Christ doesn't make the new covenant a corrupt one. When a woman caught in an adultery was brought to Christ, Jesus never said they shouldn't apply Moses law, He just asked them to stone her if they were qualified to carry out the judgement. They all ran away! That is d fulfilment of law. Jews asked Jesus questions and he replied, please, read Mark 12: 28-34, u will find out that Christ came to fulfil the law and that Christianity is never antijudaism, but its fulfilment. Have you ever read Jesus disciples killing the Jews? Don't quote political war of Hitler here. He never fought to propagate Christianity as muhamed did to propagate his islam. As said by another person above, Islam is parallel to either Judaism or Christianity, that is y muhammed killed many Jews and Christians when he couldn't convince them to serve his allah. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 12:24pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
I'm wondering how this thread got this long. One question @ op What is the meaning of the word "obvious"? #dump_post |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Rilwon: 12:36pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
Ovacoma: Quote them out and lets analysis them one after the other. Secondly, why is that most jews don't believe him still if truly it is predicted accurately? what are their objections to these predictions? Jesus quoted from all the five books of Moses, the psalms, Isaiah, Jeremiah and many more. Books of moses or books attributed to moses? The first Christians were Jews, all the books of the Bible were written by Jews. Is paul included? When Jesus taught he explains what the law really meant, away from what the scribes and d pharisees were teaching and practising. What were they teaching (not practsing) that was different from what was written in their books? Besides, God had revealed through his prophet that he would make a new covenant with the children of Israel in Jeremiah 31:31. What is this covenant? to die on the cross? I believe the preceeding verse of this verse is against you. Now, Proffdada said, what came first is TRUE while anything after that us false, this NEW covenant according to him is false don't you think? So, if the majority of the Jews didn't accept Christ doesn't make the new covenant a corrupt one. Perhaps they think this new covenant is a scam, if not they all ought to accept it, if truly they are reading the same book. As said by another person above, Islam is parallel to either Judaism or Christianity. You own your phone, type whatever you want. |
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