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Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogar: 12:00am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Timbuktou: there's nowhere on the planet women are paid less than men for the same role. that's just utter balderdash used by feminists to play the victim card like they usually do. they always manipulate the statistics to suit their evil agenda. for instance, almost half of the women in the UK work part time compared to their counterparts with just 11% doing part-time. when feminists want to pull the wool over the eyes of their sheep, they bring out how much income men make overall without considering the number of hours each gender puts in. 3 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Kay17: 12:35am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Lilly Ledbetter had worked at Goodyear for years before someone slipped her a note telling her that she was making a lot less money than other men at her seniority level. Others might learn it through gossip, or through a stray pay stub. http://www.theguardian.com/money/us-money-blog/2014/aug/13/women-equal-pay-gender-gap-stories-work Even in developed countries which are supposed to have surmounted the challenges, the ugly problems still exist. The main difficulty is accessing the level of discrimination in equal pay because payrolls are often private records of most workplaces. The workplaces have a legal right to protect and preserve their privacy. In Nigeria, there are hardly dedicated think-tanks that can accumulate the necessary stats AND most info on unequal pay are from informal channels. BUT it is clear that the Nigerian society does not run short of prejudice against women! There is enough fuel -- prejudice to float all sorts of woman-hating vessels around. The prejudice is the main cause of the social injustice to women. 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Kay17: 12:35am On Jun 08, 2015 |
coogar: Empty barrels to back that up. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogar: 12:43am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Kay17: this is the office of the national statistics humiliating a top feminist in the UK for cooking up a fraudulent statistic about gender pay. she has since apologised. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1225360/Humiliation-Harriet-Harman-statisticians-dismiss-claims-equal-pay.html#article-1225360 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 1:22am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Kay17: Five industries is more than enough for me to know what I'm talking about, missy. How many years have you worked, in how many establishments, in how many sectors of the labour market? And, no, I'm not naming shiit because you just keep shifting the goalpost each time I raise a point. How does the name(s) of anywhere I've worked help you bring facts that I've asked you for since yesterday. Either you present incontrovertible proof over sexism in pay or you shut up and admit that someone with experience has schooled your read-and-believe-without-verification ass. You know what? I dare any woman on nairaland, in Nigeria, to come out, with proof, and name and shame any establishment where they have worked where this pay-gap exists. Please, champion this drive, you seem to believe it with all your heart. Surely, of all the working and retired women on here, at least, one should have experienced this 'widespread and growing' phenomenon. 2 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 1:29am On Jun 08, 2015 |
coogar: Don't mind the eternal whingers. They should tell their porkies to the likes of FrancisTony who's ready to believe whatever comes forth from the mouth of feminists. 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Kay17: 1:51am On Jun 08, 2015 |
coogar: Did you read the article and come to the conclusion there is nooo unequal pay? 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Kay17: 1:57am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Timbuktou: And with five industries, you believe in your inner self that your experience is encompassing! I do not even know what position you had. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 2:11am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Kay17: I may have been a janitor, who cares? The fact is I've worked alongside women all this while and the first time I'm hearing all the pay difference tosh is from unemployed people living in a bubble. Do you know even know what a pay-slip looks like, I doubt you do! 2 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 5:29am On Jun 08, 2015 |
texanomaly:Okay but you actually created a thread for it. Timbuktou:There's nowhere in this forum that I've written or believed women are paid less in Nigeria. I stated the kind of discrimination women are facing in the frontpage of this thread and if I lied, counter it. 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 7:17am On Jun 08, 2015 |
In many places, the starting pay depends on how good you are at negotiating and how much you want the job, so there can be reasonable differences between the pay of 2 people doing the same job. In places where bonus payments are paid pro rata, then women who work flexible hours or take maternity leave will get a smaller bonus than people on the same scale who dont. Now anyone can work flexible hours. So men too are welcome to work part time if they so desire. I also heard that the paternity and adoption pay is quite generous too. Having said all that, I cant count the number of times I and the other mums have taken time off to sit with a sick child, school coffee afternoons, hospital appointments, rush back to school when the kids forget their lunch boxes, schools closed due to snow etc and on many occassions the time isnt made up and our pay isnt affected. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 7:42am On Jun 08, 2015 |
It's bad I didn't see this topic for so long. Seun, come and remove this too like you did mine. Isn't this ant-progressive too? |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 9:23am On Jun 08, 2015 |
laykorn: Seun closed a thread for being anti-progressive? Please, provide proof of this. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by TV01(m): 9:46am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Kay17:No it does not. There is no structural impediment to women being paid the same - and it is illegal to discriminate. Any differences are down to choices and negotiating power. And, and, men work harder - and are able to work harder - than women. Fact! As noted in one of the examples you posted, there used to be what is known as "customary discrimination" in favour of married men. Something that is no longer practised now, but not something I see as problematic - as the benefits always went onto wives and children anyway. What is also clear is that due to lots of affirmative action, younger women in the West are now out-earning men of the same age. http://www.topmanagementdegrees.com/women-dont-make-less/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2841740/Now-women-30s-earning-men-time-female-workers-staving-gender-pay-gap-having-family-later-life.html TV ...racial discrimination is a way bigger problem than "gender" discrimination. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogar: 9:57am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Kay17: yes! there's no unequal pay anywhere. it's the number of hours people put in that differs. you would also find out there are more men in the top paying jobs than women. men also tend to negotiate higher wage packet than women who are more than contented with whatever rubbish they are being offered...... if you get all these outliers out of the way, there's no unequal pay. in the link i provided, women even earn more than men in the part-time group. that's the only significant unequal gender pay - which feminists have a selective amnesia about. 2 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by damiso(f): 9:59am On Jun 08, 2015 |
I would really like someone to name and shame companies in Nigeria that pay women less than men in the organised labour sector solely because they are women. I never experienced it , my mother in her 60's did not as she joined a govt parastatal on Level 8 like all young graduates and earned the same as every other person .She and my dad were mates sef and I think she earned more than him at a time as parastatals paid more than the civil service. I know so many other women who have not experienced it but I keep hearing it exists so I cant say it does not if someone else has experienced it. 5 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogar: 10:05am On Jun 08, 2015 |
damiso: let them be deceiving themselves - trying to reap where they did not sow. if you walk into any math or engineering class today in nigeria, the males largely outnumber the females. if you walk into theatre arts or education faculties, the females largely outnumber the males. when these engineering guys climb up their career leader to start earning 7 figure salaries & the females mostly become english teachers in a public school, feminists would start arguing about unequal gender pay as if there's a supernatural force that prevents women from choosing lucrative college majors. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by bukatyne(f): 10:33am On Jun 08, 2015 |
FrancisTony: Their 'God' has a gender This is Genesis 1 : 27 - 28 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” Morning 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 10:33am On Jun 08, 2015 |
coogar: And to think that the UN, with their silly HeforShe, is also actively peddling this fraud is mind-boggling. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by troy20(m): 10:34am On Jun 08, 2015 |
damiso:i think women making such claims are just trying to create and push any sort of complaints of discrimination farther beyond the wall to see what they can get and that is very manipulative which is not uncommon with women(damiso you are not in this category).often many cases of discrimination against women expecially in this 21st century is exagerated. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogar: 10:35am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Timbuktou: they all seem to be powerless.... it's like the gay trend these days. if you don't speak in their favour then you are anti-gay. if you don't speak in favour of women, you are a misogynist. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 10:37am On Jun 08, 2015 |
coogar: True that. It's disgusting and saddening at the same time. These women are just boxing shadows. Smh. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 10:43am On Jun 08, 2015 |
bukatyne:I guess he was referring to only male. Psalm82 : 6 I said, you are "gods", you are all sons of the Most high. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by bukatyne(f): 10:48am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Kay17: For Nigeria Kay17, I have never heard of any organization in Nigeria there is a wage gap due to gender. There is wage gap, however it is due to *Core business of the organization... (a company in telecoms will pay their IP Engineers and Solution Architects more than their financial staff; An IT person in KPMG would surely be miserable) *God Fatherism: Who brought you in the organization? Head Hr etc. *Packaging: How you package yourself... Ajebutter that does shait or Ajepako? Sha just be Ajebutter *Previous Salary: Some yeye organizations have started asking for last pay slip to benchmark the new one *Certifications: Some pay according to certifications *Luck: Some people are just paid more by luck *Starting: In some organizations, how you start determines your pay. If you start as an officer with N200K; you might grow through the ranks earning N600K as a manager. Someone employed as a manager straight up might earn N1m with same job and experience. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by damiso(f): 11:27am On Jun 08, 2015 |
troy20: Discrimination is even largely an illegal activity .. though I agree that Nigeria not being a largely litigious society makes it difficult to pursue those cases. Even that can be changed by a willingness to follow due process but we are generally just lazy to go all the whole hog and people just say ' Wo just leave it and let God be the judge'. If one person can come out with proof that they were discriminated against because of their gender I know a lawyer who will make noise about it As I said in my earlier post on this thread what people call discrimination is mostly prejudice that is perpetrated by stereotypes especially in Nigeria. Even the west where anti discrimination laws are in place ( I can speak about the Equality Act in the UK as I did academic study on it) you cant legislate against peoples opinions or control what they think.You can only try to educate them to see things differently.I know from experience and interaction that some white middle class men are as chauvinistic as hell. I had a colleague who once said Maternity Leave is a holiday and yeah he was white. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by damiso(f): 11:32am On Jun 08, 2015 |
bukatyne: Spot on analysis on why there might be pay differences in Nigeria. Not being able to speak English fluently sef can make people discriminate against you in Nigeria In secondary school I was on the debating team and I can never forget one debating competition that we attended. The final was between Vivian Fowler and St Finbarrs College. If you looked at the points marshalled in the debate,St Finbarrs College won hands down but guess who won the debate Vivian Fowler. I guess the judges could not get past the foneh and creamness of the Vivian Fowler girls as opposed to the pakoish look and English of the Finbarrs boys. Apologies to any alumni of St Finbarrs College on here 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 11:36am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Sambarry? Must you share all posts? Hian!
My followers share feed, eh.... |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by SAMBARRY: 11:39am On Jun 08, 2015 |
FrancisTony:i must my dear |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 11:42am On Jun 08, 2015 |
SAMBARRY:I mean peoples' post(s) on every thread. Atleast, "LIKE" is okay for inconsequential ones and interesting ones would be shared. You have shared over 30posts this morning. 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by SAMBARRY: 11:49am On Jun 08, 2015 |
FrancisTony:That's because I'm not a selfish woman. I love to share 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by troy20(m): 11:50am On Jun 08, 2015 |
damiso:read a certain similar post once where you tried to differentiate them as stereotypes and prejudices.which is not uncommon with human beings.and offcourse you cant control or legislate on what people think but you can educate them.enjoy your wide input as always. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by bukatyne(f): 11:53am On Jun 08, 2015 |
damiso: Talk like you have hot yam in your mouth and you are the best for the job Don't also forget to use designer stuffs down to your cufflinks or earrings and ensure you flash them. God now helps you and you did your masters 'abroad' Na Godwin be that. It is so terrible when 5 people in a dept. are not different salary scales (same level o) Now come from Alapere and Son's Ltd and be in the dept of those from Multinationals (even if they were sweeping there ); you will have the technical know how, do most of the work and still be behind salarywise Packaging is the way to go |
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