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Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by shaybebaby(f): 2:11pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
Timbuktou:Anybody having a child at that age is irresponsible and yet again, with the idea of feminism such a young woman would feel empowered enough to say no to a 90 yr old or old geezer who would definitely expire before the child is grown leaving her to shoulder the responsibility of raising a child alone. Any sane person would rather live out their twilight years doing as little work as possible and enjoying themselve. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by TV01(m): 2:13pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
Kay17:Not Nigerian feminists - they love kids and marriage die Our two feminist stalwarts here were both engaged before 20 ! There is no structural or institutionalised pay disparity. TV |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by bukatyne(f): 2:26pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
TV01: Like I told ESoul, biology is different from perception Yes, women have less window for birthing (The chances of an older man birthing a kid with down syndrome/ other health factors are higher) however, a ttcing man does not think of biology . A Yoruba saying ' your child is you breaking even; your grandchild is your profit'. A man is probably thinking I can birth later (biology) after he has had his kids. TV01: I honestly wonder when men say their wives must have XYZ kids when they are practically contributing minutely to the process 2 (preferably one of each) is now the new trend in town. Funnily, some women want more than their husbands. Know someone who wants 1 more (2 already ( a boy & a girl)) for a husband who has 4 grown kids from a previous marriage (widowed) TV TV01: @sup: Different case altogether Read of a crazy girl who had 15 for about 9 men. Some people are wack. 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Kay17: 2:28pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
TV01: Didn't you just say this TV01: The whole notion of forced equality is not even the real discussion here. In fact, I feel employment, wages, etc. largely reflect male/female choices and some forms of customary discrimination are actually a good thing. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by shaybebaby(f): 2:33pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
snakebeat: Get with the times, the mirena coil in some instances stops the menstrual flow. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by TV01(m): 2:35pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
Kay17: TV01: Yes, I also said this; TV01: TV01: Of course no one is fighting cutomary discrimination where it adversely affects men ! TV |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by TV01(m): 2:37pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
shaybebaby:Drops mic...flees......... TV 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Ewuro4: 2:39pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogar: 2:55pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
shaybebaby: happy fücking days.... i don't longer need to wait 3-5 days every month to do my civic duties for my partner. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by TV01(m): 3:01pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
coogar:Quickly pops back in to note that "as ever it favours men"...especially those that want responsibility-free engagement with women. And notice, who bears the risk of any side-effects? Sounds like discrimination to me TV |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Kay17: 3:07pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
TV01: So there is unequal pay to the disadvantage of men?? |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogar: 3:09pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
TV01: i thought ovarian cancer is contagious. so this mirenia coil still favours the men in the long run? the inventor must be a misogynist - how discriminatory can one be to think of this kinda crazy idea. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by TV01(m): 3:16pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
bukatyne:But biology must colour perception small na? bukatyne:There are age-related risks for both male and female - The "freezing eggs" thread was really enlightneing. bukatyne:Men are probably more concerned about providing. And women still have to worry about provision - even if just to ascertain that it will be made. bukatyne:No one can legislate for this. I know someone with 3 girls - after saying no more after 2, they tried one last time for a son. In the "not child-friendly" West, it' driven by economics and convenience. Childcare for one child can swallow up a whole salary ! bukatyne:It's still easier for a man to huge numbers of children - there was a program on telly about it a month or 2 ago. One even went out clubbing wiht his first born to score new chicks ! TV |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by TV01(m): 3:17pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
Kay17:Yes - and how timely a question - men are seriously underpaid relative to women in Tennis . That is not even customary discrimination, as it has no greater purpose. It's "spiteful" discrimination. TV |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by TV01(m): 3:21pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
coogar:Presumably it uses powerful chemicals to warp the womens normal bodily - reproductive function? I once had a girlfriend who insisted on going on the pill. One of the really attractive things about her, was her great skin. That went first. Bad acne. "Small price to pay huh? Afterall, it wasn't on my tab was it? Then I found a prettier one . TV |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by snakebeat: 3:34pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
shaybebaby:In some instances u said, & it doesn't completely stop menstrual flow. I'm talking about sth with lesser bad points, there are too many horror stories about mirena coil, often times it may result to lack of any oestrogen. I really don't knw much abt menstrual flow though, perhaps u can educate me, I feel disposed to learn. I go pay u plenty money.... |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Kay17: 3:42pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
TV01: Ok. I'm done with this thread |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogar: 3:47pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
TV01: i know of implants - a small flexible tube shot under the skin of the upper arm. i once had a chic that was on it & it was meant to prevent pregnancy for 3 years or thereabout. her period completely stopped which was to my benefit.
haha! sometimes the side effects can be sudden change in emotions, huge appetite gain which is linked to an unusual increase in weight. i was just wondering why anyone would opt for such with the obvious risks it poses...... |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by babygirlfl: 4:29pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
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Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 4:51am On Jun 10, 2015 |
TV01: |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 5:08pm On Jun 10, 2015 |
TV01:Hehehe. Wickid. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 10:37pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
TV01: We're not talking of so-called limiting factors - although you like to boast of this wider window men supposedly have that they actually don't have by much if you take into account 'trivial' things like, oh IDK, the child's health and mental cognition (here we assume we're working with 'quality' sperm to begin with, regardless of age). We're talking of 'want' here. Men generally not only want children more, they want more of them. Studies show that they even anticipate more happiness at the thought of having them! Women, on the other hand, generally report relatively lower anticipatory levels, and self-report lower levels of happiness and quality of life in literally every area of life after having had said children - even if they don't necessarily express regret in their choices. Due to patriarchal conditioning, which waxes even stronger in the African setting, many men whole-heartedly believe they are worth a not and have failed immeasurably if they cannot successfully produce human trophies to live on after them when they're dead, to serve the function of passing on their genes/family name, etc. Women are brought up to please them in providing these 'heirs', the societal pressure of which to do so remains incredibly immense as well. Reason fertile men are more prone to swiftly divorcing infertile woman, some still having no qualms laying the blame squarely at the woman's feet when he - the man - is the culprit (for fear the spread of the delicate news will spell certain shame, and dawn the beginning of his own 'emasculation' as he sees it). Perhaps oddly understandable in a weird way since men and women do not contribute an even fifty-fifty to the existence of a child. They only contribute fifty-fifty to the chromosomes (and that’s assuming no trisomies, etc). The woman contributes: 1. 23 chromosomes 2. Mitochondrial DNA 3. The child’s entire first cell - the sperm does not survive fertilization 4. Forty weeks’ gestation 5. And for those who breastfeed, the child’s first nourishment for the next several months to a year/two after birth. The man contributes: 1. 23 chromosomes Child-rearing too is generally left largely to the woman, motherhood being the "crown of her glory". Fatherhood? Not so much. Traditionally, it's been rather coldly attributed to (in order of importance): 1) His ability to sire - the more the better as a sure sign of virility (= prowess = manliness). Reason it would be of no surprise if the aforementioned irresponsible man with 20 kids on federal assistance were to BOAST of having fathered his entire ghetto without the intention of having anything to do with them in any way/shape/form. 2) His ability to fund - explicable. 3) The hard disciplinarian - starring as stern step-in for the 'primary' caregiver. And then, lastly, pulling from my own experiences, how unrealistically early men tend to express their desire for children, leaving me to... ...wondering how the heck that premature bomb crept it's way into a casual conversation? This included, but was not limited to the occasional wistful interjection/speech on what they expected/wanted of their imaginary future children. Men want children more, because society has made it their highest-most function within the patriarchal dynamic. Simply put, a man is what he can put forth, i.e, produce. It's almost as if their very claim to manhood hangs in the balance! 3 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by TV01(m): 12:15pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
...Morrin ES, had to like this for it's sheer depth. We need a whole suite of like buttons . EnlightenedSoul:True, sperm quality decreases with age - but that can be mostly overcome by taking a suitably nubile spouse ! EnlightenedSoul:I won't gainsay your assertion. But desiring treasures or precious things that come at relatively little cost is to be expected, no? I would love 10 kids, truly - but the limiting factor - physically - is my wife (ignoring our circumstances). Indeed, your statement only shows that the cost to women is so much greater, hence the actual joy is somewhat reduced relative to men. Or are you saying that men love children more than women? There is no equivalent to "feeling broody" for men. EnlightenedSoul:Man are at once status driven and more far-sighted than women. The maternal instinct is just that - a desire to birth. Whereas, men like to build an empire, strengthen a lineage, ensure bloodlines and kinship ties are maintained. We are back to the "men build empires" assertion . The truth is, most men work tirelessly to provide for the wives and children. Seeing that their efforts feed into and perpetuate something greater than them makes it all worthwhile. In the "monkey dey work,baboon dey chop" adage, it's the men that are doing the work. Children have always been the raison d'etre of marriage, and the main benefit to males from embracing it. Not that I personally condone dissolution due to childlessness. And I also note both parties do so, and if it's the man "at fault", some women are not beneath "presenting" him with offspring regardless . EnlightenedSoul:All this does is buttress my point about the cost and risk being much greater for women - whilst the outcome in terms of their percieved quality of life is actually poorer - meaning it's simply easier for men to have higher levels undampened desire. EnlightenedSoul:Really? Pray tell, what is a womans highest function - in any societal dynamic. ! TV 2 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 5:38am On Jun 13, 2015 |
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Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 5:54am On Jun 13, 2015 |
EnlightenedSoul: Dats why I like you, you say a lot of things While men wanting more children might be true, men wanting children more than women is false at best, at worse, its laughable... Women for one are more desperate to start a family, most men won't even consider starting a family until they are financially secure, consequently, women marry averagely 10 years earlier than men, ofcourse, the desire to start a family and the desire to raise children are identical twins... Women also start fantasising about children as soon as they are married, 1 year into the marriage with no issues, many women get frustrated and automatically assume it's her fault, consequently, a woman goes into depression if she's unable to conceive and I wonder where your axiom that men want children more spring from... Not when men are more open to aborting any "unwanted" babies... Not when men are more liable to flee after the birth of any unwanted babies.... So many not whens....E soul, you are reaching, the title "wife/mothers" is an ambition for women, matter of fact, it's a status to which they aspire.... many women rank being a mother ahead of being the prime minister of England.... The next one is laughable too, men and women do not contribute equally to the making of babies, "someone automatically assumes the ovum could fertilise itself".. 1. The man contributes 23 chromosome------ true 2. 3. The woman is solely responsible for making the first cell...... Hahahahahaha, Not when you consider the fact that the sperm is a cell itself, and the First cell of the child contains 46 chromosomes, 23 from the male and 23 from the female... it also contains genetic material from both the sperm and the ovum... so basically, without the sperm cell, nothing happens... the ovum is just like a broiler egg, one can even harvest it and fry.... I heard it's quite proteinous 4&5. I agree, ofcourse other factors like her nutrition, emotional stability etc, which depends on the man since the vessel usually become docile, remaining constant.... The vessels needs to be properly oiled if it's to deliver its content in good condition, and who does the oiling, your guess is as good as mine Since we are making unreasonable suggestions like what a man/woman contributes, I'd tell you what a man contributes. 1. And most important of all, LIFE , The sperm cell does to the ovum what God in its infinite goodness did to man.... "Give the breath of life"... without the sperm cell the ovum is just a useless residue to be excreted like urine.... 2. Gender.... The ovum only has X chromosomes, the sperm carries X nd Y... give the ovum an X nd you have a female, give it a Y and you have a male.... cool right Unto the next one Did you say child rearing is generally left to the woman, not when the man makes all the provisions and pay all his bills as in African societies or in westernised societies where the man is expected to share duties 50/50... in either situations, you lose..... As for the rest, I laugh once again... 1. Why is an errant child adjudged to be poorly raised by her mother.... The ability to sire - fertility- means a lot to women.. it's little wonder many of them consider theirselves not woman enough if they can't do that, they are even referred to as Men.. 2. Her ability to nurture 3.whats that mean As usual, ur theories are as fallacious as the "oduduwa story" .... women want children more, I never heard any guy talk about raising a family at 20, most women I know start disturbing my ears with such boring fantasies as early as puberty.... A man has never been what he can produce, men who own companies and a diversified portfolio of assets are more dignified and respected than one who sires an entire community, most men put achievement ahead of family in their list of priorities, they mostly only consider the latter after they have acquired the former.. for women, its not the same. Nd I speak for man, being one myself , you on the other hand seem to know very little about us 5 Likes |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogar: 1:23pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
njokusboy: i think you were too generous with this statement. women fantasise about children their whole lives. they are nurturers & this is why you see female kids with their barbie dolls. they take care of the dolls as if it's their baby. even at that tender age, the primal desire to nurture is already obvious.....while their male counterparts play with lego, toy guns, toy cars, etc. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by ApexTitan(m): 8:59pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
coogar: Pardon me, is Kay17 female? |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by coogar: 9:00pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
ApexTitan: she carries the XX chromosomes. |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Nobody: 9:18am On Jun 20, 2015 |
FrancisTony:Sup? 1 Like |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Ugosample(m): 10:39pm On Jan 10, 2017 |
I usually stay away from this topic because its a very difficult topic to discuss without it becoming a male vs female bashing fest Very very nice |
Re: Feminism: A Joke In Nigeria—for Now! by Mskrisx(f): 12:55am On Jan 11, 2017 |
FrancisTony: How about a drink MR? UR INTELLIGENCE IS CUTENESS OVERLOAD 3 Likes 1 Share |
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