gj22:


An soo glad I was wrong about sam.

I thought Alliser was not going to let them in.

Alliser is a good man seriously. People don't see that. I fell in love with him after that battle at Castle black.

Ser friend zone crossed d seven seas to be with Dany and when he finally achieved that, she jumped on a dragon and flew away from him.

"Oysters, clams and cockles"

Ramsey asked for 20 men not hundred

LeonStark:


Its not. The reasons leading up to it is make no sense. You cant justify it.

gj22:


YOU KNOW NOTHING

Maybe.

So, tell me what I don't know.

gj22:


Look at it from his point of view and you will understand. Not agree o but understand.

LeonStark:
The ends/means dilemma is a popular scenario in ethics discussions. Usually, the question goes something like this: “If you could save the world by killing someone, would you do it?” If the answer is “yes,” then a morally right outcome justifies the use of immoral means to achieve it. But there are three different things to consider in such a situation: the morality of the action, the morality of the outcome, and the morality of the person performing the action. In this situation, the action (murder) is clearly immoral and so is the murderer. But saving the world is a good and moral outcome. Or is it? What kind of world is being saved if murderers are allowed to decide when and if murder is justified and then go free? Or does the murderer face punishment for his crime in the world that he has saved? And would the world that was saved be justified in taking the life of the one who had just saved them?And by the way Stannis is not ambitious.

LeonStark:
There is no justifying immoral behavior, no matter the motivation for it or the outcome of it. While that may be the only course of action he can necessarily take(which it was not) that does not mean it was justified.

gj22:


I didnt. I thought he wanted to kill Dany. I was shocked and had to rewind before i saw the reaction on his face (when he noticed the assasin). He has saved her life twice, she will pull him out of the friendzone....[size=4pt]Hopefully[/size]

LeonStark:


The SotH have no skill whatsoever over the unsullied. The unsullied are the best infantry in the world. And part of their training is to fight in formations. Not 1 on 1.

gj22:


Jorah is not a paedophile (depends on how old Dany is in the show). The show doesnt really lay emphasis on age but i think dany is Over 18 since robert rebellion took place over 20 yrs ago (i think). he is only a paedophile if she is a small child (mostly pre-teen).

Also, you have to have sex first before you can be considered a paedo in its actual sense. Ser Jorah is not a paedo, Ser Meryn f*ucking Trant is.

LeonStark:


Stannis doesnt burn unbelievers for fu*ks sake.

gj22:


Stannis is dutyful not ambitious alright.

What other action could he have taken?

LeonStark:
Intention is a nice feature but it's not always known, and sometimes the outcome is much worse than whatever intention might have envisioned. I personally believe that if a person considers themselves to be ethical, then they should be ethical at all times. They shouldn't make any exceptions. It is very strange for someone who claims to have high moral standards and strict ethical rules to engage in what can be considered to be dubious behavior in order to achieve some greater good. They are more likely to look for other solutions to their problem that don't conflict with their personal values. That's the problem with what Stannis did.

gj22:


Hi Gbola5 (Yes, i know it is you.). were you expecting no unsullied to die? They did protect the queen didnt they? And also, we dont know who the SoH are and if they are actually really good fighters.

Also, in Nigeria, dont bokoHaram defeat soldiers? Or even petty thieves defeat police men? All this is possible because they have the ELEMENT OF SURPRISE on their side.

gj22:


The SotH have no skill? are you serious? sure, the unsullied might be better trained but dont say the SotH dont have skill.

They fought better when they formed formation. but before then, the SotH didnt let them get in formation.

LeonStark:


It was the same scenario in the books, except Ramsay never pulled any stunt on one of the best military commanders. They were down to eating their horses and the dead for fu*ks sake. And still made it to West of Winterfell. Stannis hasnt burnt hundreds of people. And he doesnt burn unbelievers, which majority of his army are. The reason whythey say Stannis is still be an unbeliever is cuz Mel's leaches only worked for 66.66%, cuz show Balon is still alive at the point when Stannis decides to listen to Meland burn Shireen. And they shoulda considered that. But it still is a few weeks in Winter. And this is infact just Autumn's Kiss not Winter. But burning Shireen serves no purpose immediately cuz food and supplies wont come imnediately. They'd still have to drag before reaching anywhere. Food won't appear out of thin air. And ask yourself these; Didnt Stannis borrow from the Iron Bank ? Where is all that gold ? When he hired sellswords why didnt he buy enough food also ? How can Ramsay, someone who uses a sword like a flaying knife, use 20 men to do what he did ? How did Davos know it was 20men, if they didn't see them ? Weren't there sentries ? How did one of the best military commanders in Westeros forget sentries ? What will happen next ? What shouldn't happen next ?

LeonStark:


I know you like Stannis. And i think your trying to defend it. But its a weak attempt.

gj22:


Are you serious? so who were those he has been burning since season 2? or are you watching a different show? Selyse's bro or so specifically says he will rather die than bow to the lord of light. What show have you been watching?

themodernman:


Me sef don taya for these bookworms. They've just killed every interest I've got for it. Will have appreciated it if they enjoy the change in the TV series but they want things to go the way they expect.

That's NOT life. That's just plain BORING.

AgapeCharis:
Maybe.

So, tell me what I don't know.

themodernman:


There's nothing to be scared about. The thing doesn't kill now. And he only wanted something tighter

LeonStark:
If somehow this all works out for him, if somehow they prevail, and its cause they burnt Shireen, if somehow he still has an army, or he gets more men, then its just as bad writing as the Sand Snakes.

gj22:


Ramsey had 20 men sneak into a base camp and burn down their supplies. Is that an imposible task? It was basically a heist without the cool tech.

Is stannis supposed to buy food in the middle of nowhere?

Also, food wasnt his motivation to kill Shireen because he sent Davos to go fetch food which means food was readily available.

You are analysing the show from what you see in the books. It is clouding your judgement.

siegfried99:



A book is supposed to be a source, not a replica.

Wonder why they keep complaining

themodernman:


Imagine calling Ser Jorah a Paedophile. Khal Drogo wey dey pump Khaleesi like mad nko? Daario wey dey service her daily nko?

Forget dat tin oh, Khaleesi under na self-contain with Kitchen sef.

LeonStark:


Aye, but its not reasonable nor can it be justified.