agaugust:


Oh, I should educate you, Thales Digital Joint Reconnaissance Pod

You didn't know the name....Olodo

Oh

So now you admit we have one.

So, were you incapable of doing research?

Or

Were you being deceitfull?

Which is it

Patchesagain:


"Please baas, educate me"

Just say it.

Should I also educate you about Gripen ground search radar range?

Say baas, please educate Patrick the Olodo

Patchesagain:


Oh

So now you admit we have one.

So, were you incapable of doing research?

Or

Were you being deceitfull?

Which is it

Was drilling you, and you failed to provide an answer, until I educated you....Olodo
.

agaugust:


Should I also educate you about Gripen ground search radar range?

Say baas, please educate Patrick the Olodo

Are you incapable of research?

OR

were you being deceitful?

Stick to the topic

agaugust:


Was drilling you, and you failed to provide an answer, until I educated you....Olodo
.

So, you were being deceitful?

You said I was lying and that we didnt have one... yet you knew we did?

Reminder:

agaugust:

[size=13pt], NOBODY has EVER named any Gripen Recce pod for SAAF, because you have NONE
.[/size]

agaugust:

Nope, Gripen jets of SAAF have NO Recce pods for ISTAR,
.

Patchesagain:


Are you incapable of research?

OR

were you being deceitful?

Stick to the topic

You wan't me to educate you on Gripen radar ground search range? Say please baas

agaugust:


You wan't me to educate you on Gripen radar ground search range? Say please baas

Why are you trying to change the topic?

Do my questions make you uncomfortable?

Patchesagain:
Reminder:

....reminder that I educated you on your own equipment you did NOT know

agaugust:


....reminder that I educated you on your own equipment you did NOT know

I knew - hence I said we had it.

You either:

1. Did not know because you are a terrible researcher
2. Did know and lied - because you are deceitful

Which is it?

If you knew why did you say:

agaugust:

[size=13pt], NOBODY has EVER named any Gripen Recce pod for SAAF, because you have NONE
.[/size]

agaugust:

Nope, Gripen jets of SAAF have NO Recce pods for ISTAR,
.

Now, deal with the fact that SAAF has ISTAR that can operate in an uncontested airspace

agaugust:


60 km is half of the 120 km you were quoting before.

I love the way you surrender.

Say thank you to me for educating you the way your South African brothers have always failed to do
.

And you said 30km mate! 30 is half of 60.

Henry120:


Buhahahahahahahahahahaha

The SANDF is so Broke, they are trying to recover the cost of the Flight suit from the estate of the dead C-47 Dakota Pilot.


The Pilot of the Crashed A109 at the KNP was also passed despite the fact he was un-qualified!!


Cc: Agaugust, Patches689, Mikeczar, Jln115, Saengine

Reason why those SAAF Gripens don't want to fly, their unqualified pilots will crash
.

agaugust:


Reason why those SAAF Gripens don't want to fly, their unqualified pilots will crash
.

Why are you running away? Why are you so desperate to change the topic?

agaugust:


The argument was originally about guided shells, that's why I was quoting 8 km to 20 km range.

Who told you I don't know Volcano shell until you mentioned it? Who?

On this forum in over one year ago early 2014, Patches, Drag_On and myself had argument of NNS Aradu Vs Valour frigate, the Vulcano shells ranges were fully posted and discussed here, we dropped the idea when we all agreed that NO NAVY IN AFRICA has guided shells. You were not on Nairaland then, you just came !

Go see analysis of Volcano shell in this threads archives.

You are the newcomer that is getting free education here.

Then the original argument was about Umkhonto missiles for which you quoted 60 km ranger which NO NAVY has !

I corrected you that it is 15 km for umkhonto missile, you never said thank you, ingrate.

You derailed the missile debate and turned it into a gun argument of confusion that you created.

You keep posting things that are inside laboratory under experiments and you want me to accept it as facts?

If you go to an international public debate and you argue off topic, the microphone will be removed from you so that you will not mislead the whole world with your classic buffoonery.

You will be a good barber with your own hair salon business, I don't see a good accountant in you, try a trade like barbing
.

Bla bla bla...such a long post with so little substance, the fact is that the Umkhonto R as I rightly stated has a range of 60km and with unguided shells the oto melara 127 can still reach 60kms not 20km as you wrongly posted.

Patchesagain:


A plethora of evidence has been provided regarding linkza

Not all SANDF equipment is integrated, Andrewza said it's in phases and slowed down by costs/money
.

agaugust:


Not all SANDF equipment is integrated, Andrewza said it's in phases and slowed down by costs/money
.

cite where he said that

Doesnt change the fact that a plethora of evidence has been produced regarding the use of LinkZA by multiple systems in the SANDF

Patchesagain:


1. Multiple examples of the use of LinkZA have been posted on multiple occasions- across all arms of the SANDF, from hawks using the data-link for targetting, from artillery using it for hitting moving targets, from SF doing HALO jumps into the ocean to rendevuez with submarines in radio silence, from the intergration of blue force trackers, from Valour Class being used to moniter air-space during FIFA, from the new Thales ground search radar interoperability, with the systems to Gripen live-streaming Recon, with new section radio's that link into the data-link, with Rooivalk data-link compatability etc etc etc

Citations needed.

All the above can be done with normal radio communication, don't need data-link.

Then in 2010, SANDF datalink was in infance, so how did you use it for world cup?

Citation needed !
.

agaugust:


Citations needed.

All the above can be done with normal radio communication, don't need data-link.

Then in 2010, SANDF datalink was in infance, so how did you use it for world cup?

Citation needed !
.

Citations have been provided multiple times

Consult the archives

Patchesagain:


I knew - hence I said we had it.

You either:

1. Did not know because you are a terrible researcher
2. Did know and lied - because you are deceitful

Which is it?

If you knew why did you say:

Now, deal with the fact that SAAF has ISTAR that can operate in an uncontested airspace

What is the range of your Recce pods? NAF has over 300 km range ISTAR radars

What is it's max altitude since it is only a medium / low altitude equipment .....limited capability

What is the patrol endurance hours of Gripen? It was doing about 30 minutes in Libya, NAF does 7 hours.

Your Gripen is NOT ELINT capable.

What are the electronic support systems and computer network console data processing capacity ? See NAF below, show us your SAAF !

.

agaugust:


What is the range of your Recce pods? NAF has over 300 km range ISTAR radars

What is it's max altitude since it is only a medium / low altitude equipment .....limited capability

What is the patrol endurance hours of Gripen? It was doing about 30 minutes in Libya, NAF does 7 hours.

Your Gripen is NOT ELINT capable.

What are the electronic support systems and computer network console data processing capacity ? See NAF below, show us your SAAF !

.

1. ATR radar range is around 50km as has been shown before
2. Who says its medium/low altitude equipment - provide a citation to substantiate that claim
3. Gripen patrol range is not 30min - we educated you on that when you first brought it up.

Gripen is ISTAR, do you need to be reminded of the definition of ISTAR?

agaugust:


What is the range of your Recce pods? NAF has over 300 km range ISTAR radars

What is it's max altitude since it is only a medium / low altitude equipment .....limited capability

What is the patrol endurance hours of Gripen? It was doing about 30 minutes in Libya, NAF does 7 hours.

Your Gripen is NOT ELINT capable.

What are the electronic support systems and computer network console data processing capacity ? See NAF below, show us your SAAF !

.

ISTAR with zero data link capability.

[size=20]NATO IS USING THE STANDARD LINK-16 AND WHAT IS THE NAME OF NIGERIA'S DATA LINK SYSTEM?

SOUTH AFRICA HAS DEVELOPED ITS OWN INDIGENOUS DATA LINK SYSTEM FOR SANDF CALLED LINK-ZA.

NIGERIA HAS ZERO DATA LINK SYSTEM.

BWAHAHAHAHA…[/size]


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6184:zz&catid=79:fact-files&Itemid=159

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-ZA

Henry120:


They actually did. The SANDF demanded payment from the dead Pilot's estate. Despite the fact that the Pilots of that ill-fated C-47 Dakota had complained about the general serviceability of the Dakota.



* truth is, i'm not even spitting them.

The comment was made by the National secretary of the South-African National Defence Union.

@ patchesagain, seems this isn't an allegation but merely echoing the statement from your own defence union.

HENRY IS PROVEN WRONG AGAIN. ROOIVALK AVIONICS AND WEAPON SYSTEM HAVE BEEN PROUDLY DEVELOPED IN SOUTH AFRICA BY SOUTH AFRICAN COMPANY, ATE WHICH ALSO DEVELOPED HAWKS AVIONICS.

ATE has previous experience in
this field, having developed the
avionics for the Rooivalk attack
helicopter, the Pilatus Astra
primary trainer and the NWS
and mission computer for the
Spanish Air Force's Mirage F-1
upgrade. The company also
modernised a number of
Algerian Air Force Mi-24 attack
helicopters.

ROOOVALK IS 100% SOUTH AFRICAN GUNSHIP.

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-20223/

shining eyes
am looking 4 a prey
uhuh am hungry I nid someone 2 devour
all ye south Afrikaans just mistype,misquote,misthink about my country and u are getting it 4rm me HARD......our SAN (stalkers association of NL/NIGERIA)

Patchesagain:


1.ATR radar range is around 50km as has been shown before

Citation needed for your claim of 50 km.

Last year you said it's 300 km, I said it's 330 km....and now you cut it down to 50 km, so post citation for that 50 km radar range of ATR-42...NOW !
.

Patchesagain:



2. Who says its medium/low altitude equipment - provide a citation to substantiate that claim

Gripen CANNOT do Recce in a defended airspace.

Manufacturer specs data sheet says your freaking toy Recce pod can only work at medium to low altitude making your Gripens roasted meat for enemy air defenses
.

agaugust:


Citation needed for your claim of 50 km.

Last year you said it's 300 km, I said it's 330 km....and now you cut it down to 50 km, so post citation for that 50 km radar range of ATR-42...NOW !
.

Old arguments

Consult the archives

agaugust:


Gripen CANNOT do Recce in a defended airspace.

Manufacturer specs data sheet says your freaking toy Recce pod can only work at medium to low altitude making your Gripens roasted meat for enemy air defenses
.

1. Citation needed
2. What is Libya?

agaugust:


Gripen CANNOT do Recce in a defended airspace.

Manufacturer specs data sheet says your freaking toy Recce pod can only work at medium to low altitude making your Gripens roasted meat for enemy air defenses
.

Gripens can do ground search 70 km away detecting any threats.

Henry120:


You are unbelievably naive!

Just don't talk about things you know nothing of okay?

agaugust:


Nope, Gripen jets of SAAF have NO Recce pods for ISTAR, all you have is targeting pods for guided bombs.

SAAF Gripen jets = ZERO capability for ISTAR

Name the Recce pods you have for Gripen, and the country that sold the Recce pods to you, tell us now !
.

The Thales DJRP is for?