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Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 12:46pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
Rilwon:you have heard, seen and known, no more excuses. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Rilwon: 12:49pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
Ovacoma: We all know they were trying to TEST him, isnt it? Jews asked Jesus questions and he replied, please, read Mark 12: 28-34, I have read it and here is what I found Mar 12:32 "Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him. He acknowcknowledge jesus was on point, i.e. he was quoting exactly what they all knew, but it is unfortunate that even xtians don't agree with this verse. u will find out that Christ came to fulfil the law and that Christianity is never antijudaism, but its fulfilment. Have you ever read Jesus disciples killing the Jews? Don't quote political war of Hitler here. He never fought to propagate Christianity as muhamed did to propagate his islam. You own your phone, type whatever you want. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Proffdada: 1:05pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
Rilwon:even Thomas doubted Jesus Christ's resurrection till he had to feel him physically |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Rilwon: 1:06pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
Ovacoma:https://www.nairaland.com/2359974/stoning-bible-prescribed-13-counts |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Rilwon: 1:31pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
Proffdada: Really? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Emusan(m): 11:04pm On Jun 08, 2015 |
Rilwon: Of course Yahweh the great promise keeper who can't lie unlike Allah fulfilled His promise but not as you dubiously interpreted the below verse in your first post. AND THEY ARE GREAT NATION..... Let me know expose your dubious interpretation of your first post through this medium These are the key point I extracted from your first post "Now can we ask what is “A GREAT NATION” mean? As we can see, [size=14pt]the nation of Israel is called great because:[/size] 1) They worship God and only God. 2) They have the law of God." After you asked the question WHAT IS A GREAT NATION MEAN? you then concluded with the two statements whereas you just made those points to support your false prophet that's why you can say "An honest look at the Muslim nation today reveals that they worship the same God of Abraham and they also have a set of laws given to them in the Quran." Whereas an open-minded person reading those verses can see that Moses 'the speaker' wasn't saying the nation of Israel were a GREAT NATION because they WORSHIP THE TRUE GOD nor HAVING THE LAWS but Moses simply asking QUESTIONS in both verses: " 7 "FOR WHAT GREAT NATION IS THERE that has God so near to it, as the LORD our God is to us, for whatever reason we may call upon Him? 8 "And WHAT GREAT NATION IS THERE that has such [size=14pt]statutes and righteous judgments[/size] as are in all this law which I set before you this day? This is more evident with the QUESTION MARK at the end of each verse but because of the lies of Muhammad that is flowing in you, you decided to twist these verses. The above verses reveal: 1. That TRULY GREAT NATION exists not only Israelite because Bible talked about MANY GREAT NATIONS which some even POWERFUL THAN ISRAEL before they possess the Land. 2. But this GREAT NATION never has a STATUTES and RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT like the Israelite. The funny part of it is that despite the fact that you want to squeeze Muslims nation into it you forgot that your Allah's laws some contradicted the very STATUTES given by Yahweh that no any GREAT NATION ever had which means the source of the two books can't be from the same God. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 11:33pm On Jun 08, 2015 |
Rilwon:Islam is parallel to Judaism and Christianity |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 10:02am On Jun 09, 2015 |
Emusan:Please, explain, what was done to the early disciples? Like I said, english is your problem. Can someone help me interpret this How? But fight those who do not believe in Allah is not to acknowledge Allah is to praise Jesus. But you said acknowledgement is about belief, and I'm showing you the multiple ways it can be used, again I reiterate, it's physical, and you still haven't showed me where it says convert everyone by force. Again, until they pay tax. See how you just wasted the money... Again, It didn't say convert them by force, jusT says fight against them. But: Pickthall: And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, even He, is the Hearer, the Knower. Quran 8:61 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah,...nor follow the religion of truth" what does it mean? 1 Like |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Emusan(m): 8:16am On Jun 11, 2015 |
ZoranderGraeme: Google is still your best friend but let me just hint you small before you carry out your own research, All the Apostles were BRUTALLY KILLED except Apostle John who wrote the book of John, 1-3 John & Revelation after he survived many severe tortures. Like I said, english is your problem. How ![]() But you said acknowledgement is about belief, [size=14pt]and I'm showing you the multiple ways it can be used,[/size] again I reiterate, it's physical, and you still haven't showed me where it says convert everyone by force. Again, until they pay tax. Lol...still trying hard to prove Allah right. Yet you said in above that English is my problem when the statement beautifully described you. So if it has multiple ways it can be used then you can use it's meaning as superiority for believe, right ![]() Again, It didn't say convert them by force, jusT says fight against them. But: Another deluded justification, why commanding them to FIGHT in the first place? Beside, let me teach you your Islam small. The word 'Jizya' is what translated as 'TAX' in that verse, this is the same verse in Yusuf Ali "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." 1. Jizya is one of the FIVE PILLAR of ISLAM-so is it not a way to adhere with Quranic teaching? 2. WITH WILLING SUBMISSION-what is Islam? No Muslims will ever deny that ISLAM isn't a SUBMISSION. So what is your point here? Finally, I don't need to quote another verse where forceful conversion was commanded through fighting but to crown my position on the verse verse, this how Muhammad himself understood this very verse and compare it with how you've been trying to defend Allah's contradictory command. Muslim (19:4294) - "When the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him... He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war... When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. [size=14pt]Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them."[/size] http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/muslim/019-smt.php#019.4294 (bold, underline-mine) If you need another verse where forceful conversion was prescribed I will give you. Yet Allah said "There is no compulsion in religion..." |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 11:20am On Jun 11, 2015 |
Emusan:And muslims weren't brutally tortured and forced to renounce their faith and when they refuse brutally murdered? Surprise surprise, you still don't get it. How And it can be used as physical superiority, what makes you think you're better qualified to interpret that than all the muslim scholars I. The world? And how will them accept spiritual superiority when they don't believe in the one true God. Lol...still trying hard to prove Allah right. Yet you said in above that English is my problem when the statement beautifully described you. You see this just sums up your confusion, Jizya is a pillar of islam? Lmao! Please, who is the imb*cile that told you this? News flash, muslims don't pay Jizya, dweeb, only non muslims do? Lol! This just proves how ignorant you are. Another deluded justification, why commanding them to FIGHT in the first place?My point is that you don't know anything about islam. And when you read this, you clearly saw, that if they refuse to accept islam they should pay, Jizya, a tax paid by non Muslim, you have epically failed in this post, where is the forceful conversion? Did he say convert them by force? He said if they refuse islam, they should pay Jizya. It's not a pillar of Islam like you hilariously posted above. Please, if you have any evidence of where the Quran or the prophet approved forceful conversion, feel free. Lol! But this post really cracked me up. Finally, I don't need to quote another verse where forceful conversion was commanded through fighting but to crown my position on the verse verse, this how Muhammad himself understood this very verse and compare it with how you've been trying to defend Allah's contradictory command. You need further schooling by your fellow zealots. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 11:38am On Jun 11, 2015 |
Who has now found muhammed existing in the Bible? Please show us with proof, that is by the name 'muhammed'. Or just keep your mouths shut! |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 11:45am On Jun 11, 2015 |
Ovacoma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtEpM9BqvQI It's a link to a video that irrefutably proves Ahmad, the exact way Muhammad said the name, was found in the Dead Sea scrolls. Sahih International: And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic." Quran 61:6 |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 11:51am On Jun 11, 2015 |
ZoranderGraeme:I don't even read your post, i mean in the Bible Christian use. In the book so.. Chapter... And verse soo... I open it and find muhammed name. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 11:57am On Jun 11, 2015 |
ZoranderGraeme:or the prophecies about how he will be born, where he will be born, how angel will be dictating to him in a cave, how he will fight and kill many Jews, how he will dealing with merchant caravans, is name, circumstances around his birth, and how he will die. No dead scroll thing as anyone can find any scroll. Will u also believe a book found outside the quran? 1 Like |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 12:08pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
Ovacoma: Was jesus prophecised in the Torah that way? The bible makes references to the unlettered prophet like the op points out but yet you deny them, so I don't think anything can change your mind. 6:109 (Asad) Now they swear by God with their most solemn oaths that if a Miracle were shown to them, they would indeed believe in this [divine writ]. Say: "Miracles are in the power of God alone." [94] And for all you know, even if one should be shown to them, they would not believe - |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 12:22pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
ZoranderGraeme:yes, Jesus was prophesied that way! His birth, place, town. By virgin, his teaching, healing, actions, how he will die, the thieves he was crucified with, and most importantly His resurrection , were all penned down centuries bfor His coming. Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are which testify of Me. John 5:39 |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 12:27pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
ZoranderGraeme:just quote where they prophesy muhammed or was he already alive in d Bible days? Birth to death. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 12:28pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
Ovacoma: you haven't read the ops post have you? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 12:30pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
Ovacoma: Please, quote these verses for me and tell me why the Jews rejected him. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 3:06pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
ZoranderGraeme:those ones never point to muhammed, just attempt to make him fit in. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 3:09pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
ZoranderGraeme:search the scripture, you will find them there. No time to be beating a dead horse, which only God can revive again. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 3:12pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
Ovacoma: Lol! Liar! |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 3:13pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
Ovacoma: No! They expose attempts to conceal the truth about the last Messenger Of God. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 3:51pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
ZoranderGraeme:messenger of God raiding caravans? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 3:54pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
ZoranderGraeme:messenger of God raiding caravans? Jesus says i am the Way, the Truth and Life. Do you also believe that? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 4:07pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
Ovacoma: In your opinion, should a messenger of God condone mindless murder of children and adults? Or even rape? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 4:09pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
Ovacoma: He was the way of truth and life, and if you followed his way, you'd accept that he was just a prophet, and that there's only one God. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 11:24pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
ZoranderGraeme:these should have been part of my questions to you. I follow Jesus because He says we, His followers must follow Him, that He is the Door to the kingdom of heaven. And i am not ashamed to say i am a Christian, y? Because i am sure of whom i follow as He never lies, He never deceives anyone, He never stole, He never killed a single person, He never allowed cruelty or practice it Himself. He never made satanic verses. Rather, Jesus Christ raised the dead, heal the sick fed people, taught good behavior, he told the truth that except ye repent, ye shall likewise perish. Jesus is my Savior, God, King, Lord, Healer, Provider, etc. This is why im a Christian; like Christ, not like any prophet, whether good or bad. How about muhammed that u followed? Never lied, never raped, fought, killed, raided caravans, murdered, etc? And you put your eternal hope on such criminal? Anyway, even Judas still perish despite hearing the truth from the Truth Personified Himself! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 11:32pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
ZoranderGraeme:d same Bible says, Jesus the same yesterday, today, and forever. Jesus says before Abraham, I AM. Jesus says ' I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive forever more, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death'. Can a prophet say these? Only God. No ordinary or extraordinary man can say such. And Jesus is with all that follow Him, we pray in His name as He taught. He is alive forever! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 11:39pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
Ovacoma: you accuse Muhammad of rape? Or lies? Because Jesus said to turn the other cheek? Well you'll run out of cheeks and then what? You retaliate but according to you if you do that you're a sinner? Lol! When a person comes into your house, rapes your wife and kills your children, turn the other cheek. Even if you have the means to retaliate. Jesus was indeed a prophet of Allah, although your bible potrays him as a racist, anyways, he was sent only to the lost sheep of israel as he himself confirmed. Besides, your comments here means that you accept Jesus was unlike moses? So who is the prophet the bible propehcised? You may continue deceiving yourself when deep down you know you are rejecting the truth willingly. Sahih International Unquestionably, for Allah is the pure religion. And those who take protectors besides Him [say], "We only worship them that they may bring us nearer to Allah in position." Indeed, Allah will judge between them concerning that over which they differ. Indeed, Allah does not guide he who is a liar and [confirmed] disbeliever. Sahih International: And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Ovacoma: 11:56pm On Jun 11, 2015 |
ZoranderGraeme:we must follow Jesus whether easy or not. So, you even know the quran, y you never go to ur brothers and sisters blowing up themselves to get rewards in allah paradise? Why are you not putting them on the right path if truly muhammed never invented terrorism? Y can't u even meet with the leaders of Yemen, Saudi, Syria, Iraq, Isi, boko, JI, ezbolla, supporter of APC, etc and quote to them what Islam means? Or do you think they are on the path muhammed or allah laid down for yu to follow? If bombs are still going off after allahuakbar, and you turn blind eye, and come to Christians interpreting their Bible to them, will allah reward you? Or the 72 virgins something is real? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 12:02am On Jun 12, 2015 |
Ovacoma: Why pray in his name when he indeed pray in the name of God? "A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, 'Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession. Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, 'Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.' He [Jesus] answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.' The woman came and knelt before him. 'Lord, help me!' she said. He [Jesus] replied 'It is not right to take the children's [Jews] bread [blessings and miracles reserved for them] and toss it to their dogs [the Canaanite, or the Philistines].' 'Yes, Lord' she said, 'but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.' Then Jesus answered, 'Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.' And her daughter was healed from that very hour. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:22- Skip the parts about racism, here he clearly states he was sent only to the lost sheep of israel. He is only a slave on whom We bestowed Our blessing and whom We made an example for the tribe of Israel. (Surat az-Zukhruf: 43-59) Behold! Allah said: O Jesus! I will take thee And raise thee to Myself And clear thee (of the falsehoods) Of those who blaspheme; I will make those Who follow thee superior To those who reject faith, To the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, And I will judge Between you of the matters wherein ye dispute." :171-172 They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent." —Quran sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayah17[3 "O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say Of Allah ought but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and the Spirit proceeding From Him: so believe In Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above Having a son. To Him (Allah) Belong all things in the heavens And on earth. And enough Is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. Christ disdaineth no To serve and worship Allah, Nor do the angels, those Nearest (to Allah): Those who disdain His worship and are arrogant, He will gather them all Together unto Himself (Jesus) to (answer)." "The similitude of Jesus Before Allah is as that of Adam; He (Allah) created him (Jesus) from dust, Then said to him: Be. And he was." 3:46 “He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous.” 3:48 And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel. 3:49 And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah’s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe.” 3:50 (I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me. Muslims believe that Jesus peace be upon him according to the Holy Quran is a wonderful, humble, generous messenger of God who came down and revealed God's words to his people, the people of Israel. Muslims do not believe that Jesus is God, nor they believe that God ever chose to come down to earth in a form of a man to die for our sins to purify us and forgive us. |
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