agaugust:


The only battle tested data-link in Africa is Nigerian military top brass sitting in Abuja HQ, and watching live battle in Sambisa forest real-time video images and commanding/controlling a whole war hundreds of kilometers away.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/amosu-how-we-monitored-sambisa-military-operations-from-abuja/208413/

No country in Africa has ever done that in history.

Nigerian data-link works, that's the difference between us and SANDF
.

Again, SANDF LinkZa is more intergrated and more advanced


One platform beaming back images is about as advanced as the SABC

agaugust:


SIPRI arms database says you have an ordinary surveillance satellite, not spy. Then you have only one, so it sees only one part of the world at a time, it's not on-line real time surveillance like Nigeria that has 3 satellites spread over the earth. RSA is 50 years behind NIG
.

South africa has a military grade recon sattelight, recon is a synonym for spy

Nigeria has no military grade satelights

Your 3 satelights provide civilian grade imaging

agaugust:


No, SAAF has NO ISTAR capability, what you have is ordinary Recce.

F-7 jets carries Recce pod, does that make a jet fighter an ISTAR aircraft? No !

So NAF can call our F-7 jets ISTAR aircraft? Why did we buy ATR-42 and Beechcraft 350ER ?

SAAF Gripen carries the same Recce pod made for Jaguar jets, so NAF too cxan claim our 18 Jaguar jets are ISTAR aircraft?


"Easily integrated onto any air platform, the DJRP is a robust, lightweight, low drag structure with a combat proven pedigree on numerous aircraft types including Jaguar, Tornado, Harrier and Hawk and has been selected by the South African Air Force for Gripen"

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/nited-kingdom/defence/air-group/isr/digital-joint-reconnaissance-pod

[size=13pt]Recce pods do NOT make ISTAR aircraft, many jet fighters all over the world carry Recce pods and nobody is calling them ISTAR aircraft.....[/size]

SAAF is 66 years behind NAF, your toy Recce pods works on our old 1980s Jaguar jets

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You and other hundred military writers have the tendency of referring to maritime surveillance as ISTAR aircrafts. That is wrong but I will have to admit that it is what is used for.


ISTAR is a task rather than an aircraft, just like you would refer to "eating" as a task of replenishing your energy level. ISTAR is as well a task of studying the battle field.

Just because you don't have a spoon in the house does not mean you cannot do a simple task as eating, there is always a substitution. That translate to ISTAR duties as well. Since SANDF has a data link it can always perform such tasks with the use of recce pods as we have seen with NATO forces in Libya.



https://www.defencetalk.com/thales-reveals-new-istar-system-for-south-africa-29185/


https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/content/thales-reveals-project-cytoon-another-milestone-its-association-south-african-national

SANDF ISTAR cytoons.

FighterPilot:
SAAB offer India to fly gripen E jets.


http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/sweden-offers-gripen-jet-to-india/

India's procurement system is messed up.

They slashed the number of Rafales to make funds available for some local rubbi.sh jet.

Denel was banned though the ban is lifted now, Rheinmetall is too now banned.

FighterPilot:



Only because you are using a plane (ATR-42 surveyor) with built-in recce pods, so that makes you better in ISTAR. The gripen Reece pods are perfectly equipped to do what your ATR-42 does.

A perfect example would be that of a lap top with built-in Bluetooth ™ device and that which would have to use bluetooth™ dongles in order to share data but at the end of the day they achieve the same results. A lap top with built-in camera and the one that would have to use external accessory cameras, etc. Yet, they all achieve same results.

Stop talking about HP Laptop or Blackberry phone blue tooth .

F-7 jet carries Recce pod, so F-7 jet = ISTAR aircraft? No.

Show us ISTAR pod in South Africa, NOT a mere Recce pod, show us ISTAR pod
.

agaugust:


Stop talking about HP Laptop or Blackberry phone blue tooth .

F-7 jet carries Recce pod, so F-7 jet = ISTAR aircraft? No.

Show us ISTAR pod in South Africa, NOT a mere Recce pod, show us ISTAR pod
.

Do you need a lesson in what ISTAR means?

This guy thinks ISTAR is some godly platform that none can acsend to. When in reality, its pretty basic stuff... Hell the British did it in WW2 with Mosquito strike-fighters guiding Lancasters onto target over Germany

MikeCZAR:
India's procurement system is messed up.

They slashed the number of Rafales to make funds available for some local rubbi.sh jet.

Denel was banned though the ban is lifted now, Rheinmetall is too now banned.

India is a shithole when it comes to military procurement.

Its a goddamn mess.

Apart from the Brahmos and their indigenous destroyer, literally every other single contract is an aboslute nightmare... and dont even get me started on the Tejas (my face when they develop a delta wing in an era of euro-canards and thrust vectoring)

Pak-FA and Arjun are some of the most spectacular fails I have seen in a long time

FighterPilot:


You and other hundred military writers have the tendency of referring to maritime surveillance as ISTAR aircrafts. That is wrong but I will have to admit that it is what is used for.


ISTAR is a task rather than an aircraft, just like you would refer to "eating" as a task of replenishing your energy level. ISTAR is as well a task of studying the battle field.

Just because you don't have a spoon in the house does not mean you cannot do a simple task as eating, there is always a substitution. That translate to ISTAR duties as well. Since SANDF has a data link it can always perform such tasks with the use of recce pods as we have seen with NATO forces in Libya.



https://www.defencetalk.com/thales-reveals-new-istar-system-for-south-africa-29185/


https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/content/thales-reveals-project-cytoon-another-milestone-its-association-south-african-national

Dedicated ISTAR aircraft is what Nigeria has !

SAAF Gripen carries the same Recce pod made for Jaguar jets, so NAF too cxan claim our 18 Jaguar jets are ISTAR aircraft?

"Easily integrated onto any air platform, the DJRP is a robust, lightweight, low drag structure with a combat proven pedigree on numerous aircraft types including Jaguar, Tornado, Harrier and Hawk and has been selected by the South African Air Force for Gripen"

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/nited-kingdom/defence/air-group/isr/digital-joint-reconnaissance-pod

Why don't Nigeria use F-7 jets recce pods instead of spending $120 million on ATR-42 aircraft for ISTAR ?

ISTAR aircraft don NOT use tiny Recce pods, they use GIANT SIZE RADOME....see under the belly of NAF ISTAR.....and show me such in SAAF !
.

agaugust:


[s]Dedicated ISTAR aircraft is what Nigeria has !

SAAF Gripen carries the same Recce pod made for Jaguar jets, so NAF too cxan claim our 18 Jaguar jets are ISTAR aircraft?

"Easily integrated onto any air platform, the DJRP is a robust, lightweight, low drag structure with a combat proven pedigree on numerous aircraft types including Jaguar, Tornado, Harrier and Hawk and has been selected by the South African Air Force for Gripen"

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/nited-kingdom/defence/air-group/isr/digital-joint-reconnaissance-pod

Why don't Nigeria use F-7 jets recce pods instead of spending $120 million on ATR-42 aircraft for ISTAR ?

ISTAR aircraft don NOT use tiny Recce pods, they use GIANT SIZE RADOME....see under the belly of NAF ISTAR.....and show me such in SAAF [/s]!
.

You dont have any recon pods or Jaguars

Gripen can be configured for ISTAR - if you dispute that then you need a lesson in the meaning of ISTAR

ATR-42 is a high endurance MPA, it hunts pirates and cannot operate in a contested airspace

Patchesagain:


Do you need a lesson in what ISTAR means?

This guy thinks ISTAR is some godly platform that none can acsend to. When in reality, its pretty basic stuff... Hell the British did it in WW2 with Mosquito strike-fighters guiding Lancasters onto target over Germany

Britain is no longer at that level now, only South Africa remains 66 years behind Nigeria and Britain in ISTAR....See what Britain uses today....NAF and RAF are in same league....Nigeria is is in same ISTAR class with world super powers !
.

agaugust:


Stop talking about HP Laptop or Blackberry phone blue tooth .

F-7 jet carries Recce pod, so F-7 jet = ISTAR aircraft? No.

Show us ISTAR pod in South Africa, NOT a mere Recce pod, show us ISTAR pod
.

If an aircraft wasn't designed to fulfil a certain role, and you use it for that "certain role" it will put strain on that airframe.

The Gripen is a multi-role aircraft a lot has went into its design to fulfil those roles.

The F-7 is an interceptor nothing more.

It will be terrible in ground strikes, reccon, maritime strikes etc.

Nigeria doesn't have a dedicated ISTAR aircraft.

MikeCZAR:


If an aircraft wasn't designed to fulfil a certain role, and you use it for that "certain role" it will put strain on that airframe.

The Gripen is a multi-role aircraft a lot has went into its design to fulfil those roles.

The F-7 is an interceptor nothing.

It will be terrible in ground strikes, reccon, maritime strikes etc.

Nigeria doesn't have a dedicated ISTAR aircraft.

Nigeria's ATR-42 is ELINT compliant you retarrd. Nigerian Airforce beechcraft surveillance aircrafts are also dedicated ISTAR platforms.

Patchesagain:


Gripen can be configured for ISTAR

F-7 jet uses Recce pods too, so F-7 = Gripen

Dedicated ISTAR aircraft do NOT need configuration to do the job, the fact that Gripen uses romovable pods means it's NOT is made for ISTAR.

Have you seen NAF needing to go fix Radome on ATR-42 before it goes to mission? No.

[size=16pt]Patches finally admits that Gripen is NOT ISTAR aircraft.

It needs re-configuration to do ordinary recce [/size]

Henry120:


Nigeria's ATR-42 is ELINT compliant you retarrd. Nigerian Airforce beechcraft surveillance aircrafts are also dedicated ISTAR platforms.

In Nigerian air force doctrine they might be called dedicated "ISTAR platforms" but they are not.

They were fitted with certain equipment to fulfil a certain role not to enhance them for that role. But to make them capable of fulfiling it.

MikeCZAR:


In Nigerian air force doctrine they might be called dedicated "ISTAR platforms" but they are not.

They were fitted with certain equipment to fulfil a certain role not to enhance them for that role. But to make them capable of fulfiling it.

Citation needed
.

agaugust:


F-7 jet uses Recce pods too, so F-7 = Gripen

Dedicated ISTAR aircraft do NOT need configuration to do the job, the fact that Gripen uses romovable pods means it's NOT is made for ISTAR.

Have you seen NAF needing to go fix Radome on ATR-42 before it goes to mission? No.

[size=16pt]Patches finally admits that Gripen is NOT ISTAR aircraft.

It needs re-configuration to do ordinary recce [/size]

F-7 is an interceptor.

Gripen is multi-role aircraft.

And no the Gripen can carry out reccon without being configured.

agaugust:


Citation needed
.

The ATR 42MP Surveyor is an affordable maritime patrol aircraft, developed and built by Alenia Aermacchi from the airframe of the proven ATR 42 twin-turboprop regional aircraft.
 
Its main roles are maritime patrol for surface vessel search and identification, search and rescue (SAR), prevention of piracy, contraband and narcotics smuggling, environmental monitoring and disaster clean up (against oil or chemical spills), territorial water security.

Source: http://www.aleniaaermacchi.it/products-prodotti/advanced-surveillance-sorveglianza-avanzata/atr-42mp-1


As you can see the OEM(Original equipment manufacture) has stated its roles.

Nigeria doesn't have a dedicated ISTAR aircraft.

Henry120:


Nigeria's ATR-42 is ELINT compliant you retarrd. Nigerian Airforce beechcraft surveillance aircrafts are also dedicated ISTAR platforms.

The ATR-42 is a turboprop regional airliner.

Or you meant the ATR-42MP surveyor?

agaugust:


[s]Britain is no longer at that level now, only South Africa remains 66 years behind Nigeria and Britain in ISTAR....See what Britain uses today....NAF and RAF are in same league....Nigeria is is in same ISTAR class with world super powers ![/s]
.

1. Compare capabilities - ATR is vastly inferior
2. Gripen can perform ISTAR roles

Henry120:


Nigeria's ATR-42 is ELINT compliant you retarrd. Nigerian Airforce beechcraft surveillance aircrafts are also dedicated ISTAR platforms.

Your beechcraft are not ISTAR platforms

They are VIP transports.

agaugust:


F-7 jet uses Recce pods too, so F-7 = Gripen

Dedicated ISTAR aircraft do NOT need configuration to do the job, the fact that Gripen uses romovable pods means it's NOT is made for ISTAR.

Have you seen NAF needing to go fix Radome on ATR-42 before it goes to mission? No.

[size=16pt]Patches finally admits that Gripen is NOT ISTAR aircraft.

It needs re-configuration to do ordinary recce [/size]

1. F-7 capabilities are inferior to those of the Gripen in all roles - especially recon
2. Gripen is ISTAR - if you dispute this then you need to be educated on the meaning of ISTAR

agaugust:


Dedicated ISTAR aircraft is what Nigeria has !

SAAF Gripen carries the same Recce pod made for Jaguar jets, so NAF too cxan claim our 18 Jaguar jets are ISTAR aircraft?

"Easily integrated onto any air platform, the DJRP is a robust, lightweight, low drag structure with a combat proven pedigree on numerous aircraft types including Jaguar, Tornado, Harrier and Hawk and has been selected by the South African Air Force for Gripen"

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/nited-kingdom/defence/air-group/isr/digital-joint-reconnaissance-pod

Why don't Nigeria use F-7 jets recce pods instead of spending $120 million on ATR-42 aircraft for ISTAR ?

ISTAR aircraft don NOT use tiny Recce pods, they use GIANT SIZE RADOME....see under the belly of NAF ISTAR.....and show me such in SAAF !
.

Your obsolete jaguar never had recce pods or else I will ask you to provide evidence.

I can see that it is not long that you have come to know about ISTAR no wonder you are all places about this acronym as if you are speaking the language of heaven.

South Africa has ISTAR capability even without maritime surveillance aircraft. To do ISTAR is not a rocket science in Mzansi as we are a military technological giant in Africa.

We have a tactical data link and you have none. Your ISTAR capability is a waste because your platforms are not integrated. Your scrappy F7s do not see what your precious ATR-42 surveyor sees, so tell me how does it help you? SANDF has a dedicated militaty surveillance satellite and you have a big [size=20]ZERO[/size]

agaugust:


Stop talking about HP Laptop or Blackberry phone blue tooth .

F-7 jet carries Recce pod, so F-7 jet = ISTAR aircraft? No.

Show us ISTAR pod in South Africa, NOT a mere Recce pod, show us ISTAR pod
.

Your F7 do not have recce pods. Show us your F7s recce pods.

FighterPilot:


Your obsolete jaguar never had recce pods or else I will ask you to provide evidence.

I can see that it is not long that you have come to know about ISTAR no wonder you are all places about this acronym as if you are speaking the language of heaven.

South Africa has ISTAR capability even without maritime surveillance aircraft. To do ISTAR is not a rocket science in Mzansi as we are a military technological giant in Africa.

We have a tactical data link and you have none. Your ISTAR capability is a waste because your platforms are not integrated. Your scrappy F7s do not see what your precious ATR-42 surveyor sees, so tell me how does it help you? SANDF has a dedicated militaty surveillance satellite and you have a big [size=20]ZERO[/size]

Modern aircraft have data links but Nigeria doesn't have a tactical data link.

Aircraft like the ATR-42MP have a data link and come with it but don't have a tactical data link.

Henry120:


Nigeria's ATR-42 is ELINT compliant you retarrd. Nigerian Airforce beechcraft surveillance aircrafts are also dedicated ISTAR platforms.

So, is your beegeagle dreaming when they say this as highlighted below in italics:

I quote:


At this time, only Nigeria, South Africa and Angola
possess any ELINT capabilities across the said region



https://beegeagle./2014/04/15/both-nigerian-air-force-alenia-atr-42-500-mpa-surveyor-planes-now-elint-compliant/

MikeCZAR:


Modern aircraft have data links but Nigeria doesn't have a tactical data link.

Aircraft like the ATR-42MP have a data link and come with it but don't have a tactical data link.

A tactical data link will be needed to further integrate it with other platforms. Well it comes with its own data link to ground stations but the data will further need to be spread across all other platforms through the use of tactical data link.

Hence, Nigerias ISTAR is only restricted to one channel only

FighterPilot:



So, is your beegeagle dreaming when they say this as highlighted below in italics:

I quote:


At this time, only Nigeria, South Africa and Angola
possess any ELINT capabilities across the said region



https://beegeagle./2014/04/15/both-nigerian-air-force-alenia-atr-42-500-mpa-surveyor-planes-now-elint-compliant/

Bumble bee feeds them with rubbii.sh most of the time!

FighterPilot:



So, is your beegeagle dreaming when they say this as highlighted below in italics:

I quote:


At this time, only Nigeria, South Africa and Angola
possess any ELINT capabilities across the said region



https://beegeagle./2014/04/15/both-nigerian-air-force-alenia-atr-42-500-mpa-surveyor-planes-now-elint-compliant/

South-Africa has no Elint compliant aircraft, only Nigeria has those in SSA.

Patchesagain:


Your beechcraft are not ISTAR platforms

They are VIP transports.

"Are you retarrded? Whose talking about the beechcraft used light transport role?".


NAF beechcraft surveillance platforms are ISTAR platforms.

Henry120:


South-Africa has no Elint compliant aircraft, only Nigeria has those in SSA.

Your beegeagle confirmed it already, so your argument will not help you.

MikeCZAR:
The ATR-42 is a turboprop regional airliner.

Or you meant the ATR-42MP surveyor?

Retaard you know what i'm referring to. I can assure we didn't get a sub-standard aircraft like SAN valour "failure" Frigates.



We have Sub-Saharan Africa's most advanced surveillance asset.

NAF ELINT compliant ATR-42 MPA, the crown jewel of the Nigerian airforce.