ZoranderGraeme:


Why pray in his name when he indeed pray in the name of God?

"A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, 'Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession.  Jesus did not answer a word.  So his disciples came to him and urged him, 'Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.'  He [Jesus] answered, 'I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.'  The woman came and knelt before him.   'Lord, help me!' she said.  He [Jesus] replied 'It is not right to take the children's [Jews] bread [blessings and miracles reserved for them] and toss it to their dogs [the Canaanite, or the Philistines].'  'Yes, Lord' she said, 'but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table.'   Then Jesus answered, 'Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.'   And her daughter was healed from that very hour.   (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 15:22-

Skip the parts about racism, here he clearly states he was sent only to the lost sheep of israel.



He is only a slave on whom We bestowed Our blessing and whom We made an example for the tribe of Israel. (Surat az-Zukhruf: 43-59)

Behold! Allah said:  O Jesus!  I will take thee And raise thee to Myself And clear thee (of the falsehoods) Of those who blaspheme; I will make those Who follow thee superior To those who reject faith, To the Day of Resurrection:  Then shall ye all return unto me, And I will judge Between you of the matters wherein ye dispute."  :171-172

They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent."

—Quran sura 5 (Al-Ma'ida), ayah17[3

"O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion:  nor say Of Allah ought but the truth.  Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, And His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and the Spirit proceeding From Him: so believe In Allah and His Messengers.  Say not "Trinity":  desist: It will be better for you:  For Allah is One God:  Glory to Him:  (Far Exalted is He) above Having a son.  To Him (Allah) Belong all things in the heavens And on earth.  And enough Is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Christ disdaineth no To serve and worship Allah, Nor do the angels, those Nearest (to Allah):  Those who disdain His worship and are arrogant, He will gather them all Together unto Himself (Jesus) to (answer)."



"The similitude of Jesus Before Allah is as that of Adam; He (Allah) created him (Jesus) from dust, Then said to him:  Be.  And he was."

3:46 “He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the
company) of the righteous.”
 
3:48 And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel.
 
3:49 And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): “I have
come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were,
the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave: And I
heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah’s leave; and I
declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign
for you if ye did believe.”
 
3:50 (I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you
part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your
Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.
 

Muslims believe  that Jesus peace be upon him according to the Holy Quran is a wonderful, humble, generous messenger of God who came down and revealed God's words to his people, the people of Israel.  Muslims do not believe that Jesus is God, nor they believe that God ever chose to come down to earth in a form of a man to die for our sins to purify us and forgive us.  

Jesus says ask in my name, His immediate disciples obey, y not today Christians?
I can ask u why u face mecca to pray, but its none of my business. We don't serve d same God. I have read many writings by Christians quoting the quran, Muslims reply has mostly been 'you are quoting out of context' u don't understand Arabic'. And this i know, Jesus in the Bible is not the same wither quran. Only a foolish man, will say they are the same. The same goes for Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, Mary, etc. one is correct, one is force.

Ovacoma:

we must follow Jesus whether easy or not.
So, you even know the quran, y you never go to ur brothers and sisters blowing up themselves to get rewards in allah paradise? Why are you not putting them on the right path if truly muhammed never invented terrorism? Y can't u even meet with the leaders of Yemen, Saudi, Syria, Iraq, Isi, boko, JI, ezbolla, supporter of APC, etc and quote to them what Islam means? Or do you think they are on the path muhammed or allah laid down for yu to follow? If bombs are still going off after allahuakbar, and you turn blind eye, and come to Christians interpreting their Bible to them, will allah reward you? Or the 72 virgins something is real?

Quote a verse in the Quran that condones terrorism or suicide bombings or where you got 72 virgins from? Every idiott that detonates a bomb believing he's doing Gods will makes me sick to the stomach. Muhammad (SAW) will be disappointed with some muslims. If you go to the islamic section you'd see that I try as hard as possible to preach islam as I and most muslims see it, a religion of peace and mercy. And don't start with that Apc political mumbo jumbo, its BS! The sooner you realise it the better, what evidence do you have against people in the great white north who believe it was your fmr president who is responsible? Its all BS! You should read my topic on islam and terrorism, unfortunately there's a wicked moderator that has been restricting my movements. How can you worship a man who ate drank and shat like you? How can you worship someone who canyt create a single fly? How can you worship one who can't save himself? Who can you worship someone who prays to another? Someone who admits that it is God not he who is good?

Yusuf Ali: O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition! 22:73

ZoranderGraeme:


Quote a verse in the Quran that condones terrorism or suicide bombings or where you got 72 virgins from? Every idiott that detonates a bomb believing he's doing Gods will makes me sick to the stomach. Muhammad (SAW) will be disappointed with some muslims. If you go to the islamic section you'd see that I try as hard as possible to preach islam as I and most muslims see it, a religion of peace and mercy. And don't start with that Apc political mumbo jumbo, its BS! The sooner you realise it the better, what evidence do you have against people in the great white north who believe it was your fmr president who is responsible? Its all BS! You should read my topic on islam and terrorism, unfortunately there's a wicked moderator that has been restricting my movements. How can you worship a man who ate drank and shat like you? How can you worship someone who canyt create a single fly? How can you worship one who can't save himself? Who can you worship someone who prays to another? Someone who admits that it is God not he who is good?

Yusuf Ali: O men! Here is a parable set forth! listen to it! Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call, cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met together for the purpose! and if the fly should snatch away anything from them, they would have no power to release it from the fly. Feeble are those who petition and those whom they petition! 22:73

please, is it true that isa in d quran used clay to form a bird and gave it life? I am just curious. Leave Jesus in the Bible alone for now. @ least allah gave muslims a book to follow, or it is not enough? But, i like to hear about d bird and isa, please.

Ovacoma:

Jesus says ask in my name, His immediate disciples obey, y not today Christians?
I can ask u why u face mecca to pray, but its none of my business. We don't serve d same God. I have read many writings by Christians quoting the quran, Muslims reply has mostly been 'you are quoting out of context' u don't understand Arabic'. And this i know, Jesus in the Bible is not the same wither quran. Only a foolish man, will say they are the same. The same goes for Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, Mary, etc. one is correct, one is force.

Lol! We face the kaaba and not Mecca to pray, the kaaba is merely a focal point for all worshippers to face and it unites the muslim umma. Please quote such verses, there's a difference between translation and interpretation.

Jesus in the bible cannot be the same as that in the Quran, atleast in some parts, since you see him as a god and we a mortal prophet. Like I always say, Jesus of nazareth the brown palestinian jew is different from jesus christ the blue eyed blonde who Is just basically the Sun god horus.

Sahih International: And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah. Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing. Quran 2:115

ZoranderGraeme:


Lol! We face the kaaba and not Mecca to pray, the kaaba is merely a focal point for all worshippers to face and it unites the muslim umma. Please quote such verses, there's a difference between translation and interpretation.

Jesus in the bible cannot be the same as that in the Quran, atleast in some parts, since you see him as a god and we a mortal prophet. Like I always say, Jesus of nazareth the brown palestinian jew is different from jesus christ the blue eyed blonde who Is just basically the Sun god horus.

Sahih International: And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah. Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing. Quran 2:115

yes Jesus in the Bible is different, and not only that, Aaron, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph are all different, as said earlier, only a fool wi say they are the same! I still like to know if isa really used clay to make a bird or not.

Ovacoma:
please, is it true that isa in d quran used clay to form a bird and gave it life? I am just curious. Leave Jesus in the Bible alone for now. @ least allah gave muslims a book to follow, or it is not enough? But, i like to hear about d bird and isa, please.

And will make him [('Îsa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying):
"I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, a figure like that of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's Leave
and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's Leave.
And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses.
Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe. The Noble Quran

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Ovacoma:

yes Jesus in the Bible is different, and not only that, Aaron, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph are all different, as said earlier, only a fool wi say they are the same! I still like to know if isa really used clay to make a bird or not.

The difference is clear and simple, the Quranic version speaks the truth while the biblical version...not so much. A book written by many authors, some even anonymous, who sometimes contradict themselves. But the Quran, is iron clad.

Sahih International
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah -2:2

Sahih International: It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah. But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding. Quran 3:7

ZoranderGraeme:


And will make him [('Îsa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying):
"I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, a figure like that of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's Leave
and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's Leave.
And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses.
Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe. The Noble Quran

if ordinary messenger of allah can create bird and breath into it to give it life, HOW MUCH MORE THE KING OF kings AND THE LORD OF lords? 1 timothy 6:15, Revelation 17:14 , Revelation 19:16.

Ovacoma:
if ordinary messenger of allah can create bird and breath into it to give it life, HOW MUCH MORE THE KING OF kings AND THE LORD OF lords? 1 timothy 6:15, Revelation 17:14 , Revelation 19:16.

Muhammad split the moon in half, but we muslims don't brag about these miracles. Moses split a sea in half, turned his staff into a snake, etc. Besides, You did the part that says he performed miracles through the will of Allah did you not? Infact Jesus (pbuh) is unlike most prophets, he was born of virgin birth, spoke as an infant and many other outstanding characteristics. But again, only through the will of the Almighty.

Sahih International
And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that if a sign came to them, they would surely believe in it. Say, "The signs are only with Allah ." And what will make you perceive that even if a sign came, they would not believe.6:109

Say: "Who is the Lord and Sustainer of the heavens and the earth?" Say: "It is Allah." Say: "Do ye then take (for worship) protectors other than Him such as have no power either for good or for harm to themselves?" Say: "Are the blind equal with those who see? Or the depths of darkness equal with Light?" Or do they assign to Allah partners who have created (anything) as He has created so that the creation seemed to them similar? Say: "Allah is the Creator of all things: He is the One the Supreme and Irresistible."
 
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 6 Surah Anaam verse 1:
1  Praise be to Allah Who created the heavens and the earth and made the darkness and the light.  Yet those who reject faith hold (others) as equal with their Guardian-Lord.
 
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 6 Surah Anaam verse 102:
102     That is Allah your Lord! There is no god but He! The Creator of all things: then worship ye Him: and He hath power to dispose of all affairs.

ZoranderGraeme:


Muhammad split the moon in half, but we muslims don't brag about these miracles. Moses split a sea in half, turned his staff into a snake, etc. Besides, You did the part that says he performed miracles through the will of Allah did you not? Infact Jesus (pbuh) is unlike most prophets, he was born of virgin birth, spoke as an infant and many other outstanding characteristics. But again, only through the will of the Almighty.

Sahih International
And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that if a sign came to them, they would surely believe in it. Say, "The signs are only with Allah ." And what will make you perceive that even if a sign came, they would not believe.6:109

Say: "Who is the Lord and Sustainer of the heavens and the earth?" Say: "It is Allah." Say: "Do ye then take (for worship) protectors other than Him such as have no power either for good or for harm to themselves?" Say: "Are the blind equal with those who see? Or the depths of darkness equal with Light?" Or do they assign to Allah partners who have created (anything) as He has created so that the creation seemed to them similar? Say: "Allah is the Creator of all things: He is the One the Supreme and Irresistible."
 
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 6 Surah Anaam verse 1:
1  Praise be to Allah Who created the heavens and the earth and made the darkness and the light.  Yet those who reject faith hold (others) as equal with their Guardian-Lord.
 
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 6 Surah Anaam verse 102:
102     That is Allah your Lord! There is no god but He! The Creator of all things: then worship ye Him: and He hath power to dispose of all affairs.

i have to let you know one important thing that i dont believe a single word from the quran, hence i dont quote from it, i just read what muslims and those who are interested in it quote from it. d op here used Bible, you keep quoting the quran to support your arguments. i dont believe a single word from the quran, and if i want to learn about it i think islam section is there. any writing, outside the Bible, to me, is man-made or satan-made. please quote where it was prophesied that muhammad would split the moon in the Bible. allah you keep mentioning here is not the same God Jews and Christians worship, so, there should be no confusion. or the same allah would command some people to destroy the children of Israel, the descendants of Abraham, and the Christians?

Only the lying allah has only one messenger. After mohammed allah got so shy of talking to anyone else. Lol. Even other elementary gods have many messengers through diff generations. I must confess. Satan is working very hard to really prove to God that he will also be worshipped as god.
See how Muslim are defending Satan with their lives. Hmm. Na wao.

Ovacoma:
i have to let you know one important thing that i dont believe a single word from the quran, hence i dont quote from it, i just read what muslims and those who are interested in it quote from it. d op here used Bible, you keep quoting the quran to support your arguments. i dont believe a single word from the quran, and if i want to learn about it i think islam section is there. any writing, outside the Bible, to me, is man-made or satan-made. please quote where it was prophesied that muhammad would split the moon in the Bible. allah you keep mentioning here is not the same God Jews and Christians worship, so, there should be no confusion. or the same allah would command some people to destroy the children of Israel, the descendants of Abraham, and the Christians?

Why don't you? But you believe in the bible? A book with multiple contradictions, inaccuracies and ghost writers?

Sahih International
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah -2:2

Sahih International: [This is] the revelation of the Book about which there is no doubt from the Lord of the worlds.

Sahih International: And it was not [possible] for this Qur'an to be produced by other than Allah , but [it is] a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of the [former] Scripture, about which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds. 10:37

Yusuf Ali: Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book (Jews and christians) are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. 3:113

Pickthall: Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.5:82

Anas09:
Only the lying allah has only one messenger. After mohammed allah got so shy of talking to anyone else. Lol. Even other elementary gods have many messengers through diff generations. I must confess. Satan is working very hard to really prove to God that he will also be worshipped as god.
See how Muslim are defending Satan with their lives. Hmm. Na wao.

Only Muhammad?

Yusuf Ali: For We assuredly sent amongst every People a messenger, (with the Command), "Serve Allah, and eschew Evil": of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth). 16:36

God: Horus

Born on December 25th
Born of a virgin
Star in the east
Adored by 3 kings
Teach at 12
Baptized at 30
12 Disciples
Performed Miracles
Known as "Lamb of God", "The Light"
Crucified
Dead for 3 days
Resurrected

Horus was a ONE EYED Egyptian SUN GOD, christians go to church on SUNDay.

Narrated Ibn Umar: Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved. Then, mentioning Dajjal, he said, "I warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is ONE EYED, and Allah is not ONE EYED.

Yusuf Ali: "I will mislead them, and I will create in them false desires; I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and to deface the (fair) nature created by Allah." Whoever, forsaking Allah, takes satan for a friend, hath of a surety suffered a loss that is manifest.4:119

Who worships satan?

ZoranderGraeme:


Only Muhammad?

Yusuf Ali: For We assuredly sent amongst every People a messenger, (with the Command), "Serve Allah, and eschew Evil": of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth). 16:36

God: Horus

Born on December 25th
Born of a virgin
Star in the east
Adored by 3 kings
Teach at 12
Baptized at 30
12 Disciples
Performed Miracles
Known as "Lamb of God", "The Light"
Crucified
Dead for 3 days
Resurrected

Horus was a ONE EYED Egyptian SUN GOD, christians go to church on SUNDay.

Narrated Ibn Umar: Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved. Then, mentioning Dajjal, he said, "I warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is ONE EYED, and Allah is not ONE EYED.

Yusuf Ali: "I will mislead them, and I will create in them false desires; I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and to deface the (fair) nature created by Allah." Whoever, forsaking Allah, takes satan for a friend, hath of a surety suffered a loss that is manifest.4:119

Who worships satan?

Where do you stand?I take it that all these (virgin birth etc) do not stand true for the jesus in the quran then!

. By the way, This horus hocus pocus was an update to an extant lie; an act that must have occured early in the CE period just like the discovered 'gospel of Barnabas' that claimed Jesus was married!(Indeed, the devil is the author of confusion!) Horus/Osiris/Semiramis/Isis etc all started at Babel after the flood at a time when the world was of one language and were familiar with God's declaration in Genesis 3:15.

1. The era of horus was at a time when the world was very young nations were still at a very formative/filial stage; no Roman empire nor crucifixion as means of punishing criminals;
2. Baptism in the river was unknown till John the baptist who baptized horus?
3.who were the multitudes healed? Of what sickness and disease?
4. What prophecies preceded horus and what was the purpose of his 'death' and 'resurrection'
5. Where did he go after 'resurrection'?
6.How on earth did they trace the 25th of December at a time after the flood? (Nimrod, father of Tammuz/horus was killed by one of Noah's sons)
around 2500BC?
7. Who were his 12 'disciples'?At least we know the names of the ones with Jesus!
8.What was the purpose of his coming?
9. Which 3 kings existed from the east after the flood that worshipped horus!?
10 what did he teach who and in what language? Where are the details of his teachings? what prophecies did he give? I guess he also must have quoted from the OT like Jesus did?!

These are questions that reveal the lie of the claim!

Scholar8200:
Where do you stand? All this stands true for the Jesus included in your Quran too isnt it? (born of a virgin etc). By the way, This horus hocus pocus was an update; an act that must have occured early in the CE period just like the discovered 'gospel of Barnabas' that claimed Jesus was married!(Indeed, the devil is the author of confusion!) Horus/Osiris/Semiramis/Isis etc all started at Babel after the flood at a time when the world was of one language and were familiar with God's declaration in Genesis 3:15.

The fact that you deny the existence of these gods especially horus is just proof of how blind you arem No doubt these gods existed, no doubt these gods were worshipped and no doubt, they share similarities with jesus christ, atleast when you take away son of god, it may be a tad bit different but the hadith I quoted in that post to me explains everything. It explains why these gods will share similarities to the jesus christ you worship.

ZoranderGraeme:


The fact that you deny the existence of these gods especially horus is just proof of how blind you arem No doubt these gods existed, no doubt these gods were worshipped and no doubt, they share similarities with jesus christ, atleast when you take away son of god, it may be a tad bit different but the hadith I quoted in that post to me explains everything. It explains why these gods will share similarities to the jesus christ you worship.

Read that post very well. horus son of Nimrod is worshipped today together with his mum, Semiramis no doubt. but the claims to similarities with Christ is a recent update. Why? Even the worship of horus was engineered by semiramis prostituting a prophecy of Christ (given by the Father in Genesis 3:15 after the fall) after Nimrod died!

Scholar8200:

Read that post very well. horus son of Nimrod is worshipped today together with his mum, Semiramis no doubt. but the claims to similarities with Christ is a recent update. Why? Even the worship of horus was engineered by semiramis prostituting a prophecy of Christ (given by the Father in Genesis 3:15 after the fall) after Nimrod died!

No! Horus precedes christ. And the worship of horus was engineered by prostituting the prophesy of the anti christ. Like Muhammad, says, every nation was warned about the anti christ. That explains why you find it in multiple mythology.

ZoranderGraeme:


No! Horus precedes christ. And the worship of horus was engineered by prostituting the prophesy of the anti christ. Like Muhammad, says, every nation was warned about the anti christ. That explains why you find it in multiple mythology.

The anti christ is to come after Christ not before.

Scholar8200:
The anti christ is to come after Christ not before.

But the point is the hadith says, that every nation was warned about the antichrist, even though he is to come after.

ZoranderGraeme:


But the point is the hadith says, that every nation was warned about the antichrist, even though he is to come after.

The first prophecy of the anti-christ was given by Balaam in the pentateuch, centuries after horus and would the latter and his mum prostitute a prophecy given centuries after their death!?

ZoranderGraeme:


Why don't you? But you believe in the bible? A book with multiple contradictions, inaccuracies and ghost writers?

Sahih International
This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah -2:2

Sahih International: [This is] the revelation of the Book about which there is no doubt from the Lord of the worlds.

Sahih International: And it was not [possible] for this Qur'an to be produced by other than Allah , but [it is] a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of the [former] Scripture, about which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds. 10:37

Yusuf Ali: Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book (Jews and christians) are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. 3:113

Pickthall: Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.5:82

u sound stupid, please. Isn't that the reason we have all these bombings, killings and wars anywhere you find Muslims? You said Bible was written by many scholars, contains contradictions, etc and i said it is ok for me, and are quoting one sahil somewhere, for your information i don't read your quran quotes. My Bible is enough for me, my Jesus is more than sufficient for me. Satan/allah has nothing to add to my life. Syria, Iraq, Yemen, northeast Nigeria, etc shows who allah identity is. No matter how much you tried to ridicule the Bible/word of God, you will make me love it the more. As we have it today, none of allah controlled nations make the top 20 most peaceful countries. But always at war, conflict, killing, suicide bombings, etc are their hobbies. I wonder what someone gains by being a follower of warmonger muhammed! With all the war, tiny Israel has kept the whole allah controlled nations at bay for decades.

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Ovacoma:

u sound stupid, please. Isn't that the reason we have all these bombings, killings and wars anywhere you find Muslims? You said Bible was written by many scholars, contains contradictions, etc and i said it is ok for me, and are quoting one sahil somewhere, for your information i don't read your quran quotes. My Bible is enough for me, my Jesus is more than sufficient for me. Satan/allah has nothing to add to my life. Syria, Iraq, Yemen, northeast Nigeria, etc shows who allah identity is. No matter how much you tried to ridicule the Bible/word of God, you will make me love it the more. As we have it today, none of allah controlled nations make the top 20 most peaceful countries. But always at war, conflict, killing, suicide bombings, etc are their hobbies. I wonder what someone gains by being a follower of warmonger muhammed! With all the war, tiny Israel has kept the whole allah controlled nations at bay for decades.

What about Russia Ukraine CAR Mexico Colombia the crusades, world war I world war I Hitler etc, is that all islam too? What about peaceful countries like Malaysia Turkey UAE KSA Indonesia etc. Why aren't they war mongers too? They're 100 percent muslim countries as well. The middle east has always been a sensitive area, that coupled with recent western interference and manipulations and you have a cluster f*ck of a situation. The war in the middle east is more of political and not religious, you need to understand that. And it seems you don't know anything about what's happening in Israel, you sit here cheering them thinking they are the enemies of your enemies but you're wrong, an average jew mocks the christian, an average jew will tell you he's glad his people killed jesus and given the chancetheyd do it again. But Israel is not holding the middle east ransom not by a long shot, they should just hope countries like KSA that have refused to interfere don't see it as a religious fight, so far its not, again its all political.

ZoranderGraeme:


What about Russia Ukraine CAR Mexico Colombia the crusades, world war I world war I Hitler etc, is that all islam too? What about peaceful countries like Malaysia Turkey UAE KSA Indonesia etc. Why aren't they war mongers too? They're 100 percent muslim countries as well. The middle east has always been a sensitive area, that coupled with recent western interference and manipulations and you have a cluster f*ck of a situation. The war in the middle east is more of political and not religious, you need to understand that. And it seems you don't know anything about what's happening in Israel, you sit here cheering them thinking they are the enemies of your enemies but you're wrong, an average jew mocks the christian, an average jew will tell you he's glad his people killed jesus and given the chancetheyd do it again. But Israel is not holding the middle east ransom not by a long shot, they should just hope countries like KSA that have refused to interfere don't see it as a religious fight, so far its not, again its all political.

which church or denominations are fighting each other? they are not peaceful as you claim here, you would have mentioned syria few years back. But christians dont see d jews as enemy who killed Christ, the death and resurrection or Jesus is the basis of Christianity. what is happening in muslim section? we cannot comment there, you that come here are just too boring as you dont know what the Bibles says, yet want to teach or ridicule it. Anyway, you tried, i never wish anyone is banned from commenting in christian section, but, it will be fair to allow christians to also comment in muslims section.

Ovacoma:

which church or denominations are fighting each other? they are not peaceful as you claim here, you would have mentioned syria few years back. But christians dont see d jews as enemy who killed Christ, the death and resurrection or Jesus is the basis of Christianity. what is happening in muslim section? we cannot comment there, you that come here are just too boring as you dont know what the Bibles says, yet want to teach or ridicule it. Anyway, you tried, i never wish anyone is banned from commenting in christian section, but, it will be fair to allow christians to also comment in muslims section.

Then which mosques are fighting each other? Which of the countries I mentioned is not as peaceful as I think? Exactly, you don't blame them but rather base your whole religion on his death, that's why the jews see you as schmucks. You may have nothing against them but they have everything against you, infact some jews like the lady who started the draw ****** contest sees christians as worse than muslims or just as repulsive, but you go about with rainbows shooting out your as* thinking they're youyr brothers, they are not! They hate you just as much as they hate us, they're just too smart to admit it. The islam section was created because of certain miscreants that like to throw insults at our religion and the prophet, when we can't insult Jesus, or any figure in christianity or the religion it self. I think if you read through any islamic thread here, you'll know what I mean.

ZoranderGraeme:


Then which mosques are fighting each other? Which of the countries I mentioned is not as peaceful as I think? Exactly, you don't blame them but rather base your whole religion on his death, that's why the jews see you as schmucks. You may have nothing against them but they have everything against you, infact some jews like the lady who started the draw ****** contest sees christians as worse than muslims or just as repulsive, but you go about with rainbows shooting out your as* thinking they're youyr brothers, they are not! They hate you just as much as they hate us, they're just too smart to admit it. The islam section was created because of certain miscreants that like to throw insults at our religion and the prophet, when we can't insult Jesus, or any figure in christianity or the religion it self. I think if you read through any islamic thread here, you'll know what I mean.

but sunis and shiah are doing some drama in d middle east now. Sorry i am not expert in Islam sects. Peace is relative, even Islam means peace to its adherents, but very hard for non-muslims to see it. The Jews may hate us Christians, but i am yet to see how they express it the way Muslim do, by slaughtering Christians, force conversion, using suicide bombers, burning down churches, etc.
The section should shouldn't have been forbidden to Christians as you come here to do the same thing you accuse Christians of. You have called Jesus horus here, and no one raised any eyebrows. You say whatever you like, drag d Name of our Lord on d ground, yet no anger. This explains y you are ready to blow urself up, u can't withstand any critism. Yet you are religion of peace, how can you have peace without the ability to tolerate other people opinions. Again, i say blocking us from commenting there is not fair, no topics of value there though.

Ovacoma:
but sunis and shiah are doing some drama in d middle east now. Sorry i am not expert in Islam sects. Peace is relative, even Islam means peace to its adherents, but very hard for non-muslims to see it. The Jews may hate us Christians, but i am yet to see how they express it the way Muslim do, by slaughtering Christians, force conversion, using suicide bombers, burning down churches, etc.
The section should shouldn't have been forbidden to Christians as you come here to do the same thing you accuse Christians of. You have called Jesus horus here, and no one raised any eyebrows. You say whatever you like, drag d Name of our Lord on d ground, yet no anger. This explains y you are ready to blow urself up, u can't withstand any critism. Yet you are religion of peace, how can you have peace without the ability to tolerate other people opinions. Again, i say blocking us from commenting there is not fair, no topics of value there though.

I called jesus christ horus not jesus of nazareth. How dare I? Worthless as I am? Insult Jesus (pbuh)? A man I don't even come close to an atoms worth of? And are too blind to see the vulgar insults aimed at muslims? There's a limit to the sort of insults one can take, even though I personally take them with a pinch of salt or try to turn them into a joke its quite painful. How will you feel if some idiott calls your wife a harl*t? Most topics in islam section speak of islamic ethics, we, unlike you do not create threads to bash other religions, even if we do the moderators remove them so the only reason for you to go there is to spew vulgar insults. We mostly come to the genereal religion section to refute lies spread by your ignorant brothers. You talk about burning of churches and other heinous acts and I ask, did your christian crusaders not commit worse? Please tell me a single verse or hadith that condones such acts? Tell me how you came at the conclusion that suicide attacks are allowed in islam? When the prophet clearly says whoever commits such an act has boarded a ticket to hell? Islamic principle forbids burning of people and property, it forbids killing of women children and old men, how can you say these rascals are being muslims when they abandon these principles? Jkilling an innocent soul in islam is equal to killing the whole of humanity! How do you get the impression that the thugs you mentioned are muslims? Your misconceptions about Islam are truly painful!

ZoranderGraeme:


I called jesus christ horus not jesus of nazareth. How dare I? Worthless as I am? Insult Jesus (pbuh)? A man I don't even come close to an atoms worth of? And are too blind to see the vulgar insults aimed at muslims? There's a limit to the sort of insults one can take, even though I personally take them with a pinch of salt or try to turn them into a joke its quite painful. How will you feel if some idiott calls your wife a harl*t? Most topics in islam section speak of islamic ethics, we, unlike you do not create threads to bash other religions, even if we do the moderators remove them so the only reason for you to go there is to spew vulgar insults. We mostly come to the genereal religion section to refute lies spread by your ignorant brothers. You talk about burning of churches and other heinous acts and I ask, did your christian crusaders not commit worse? Please tell me a single verse or hadith that condones such acts? Tell me how you came at the conclusion that suicide attacks are allowed in islam? When the prophet clearly says whoever commits such an act has boarded a ticket to hell? Islamic principle forbids burning of people and property, it forbids killing of women children and old men, how can you say these rascals are being muslims when they abandon these principles? Jkilling an innocent soul in islam is equal to killing the whole of humanity! How do you get the impression that the thugs you mentioned are muslims? Your misconceptions about Islam are truly painful!

so, the same Bible has two Jesuses? so its time to revenge the 'crusade'? I understand the Muslims don't insult Christianity! These are rhetorics, and no need for answers.
But, can you go back to the topic, explain the muhammed existing in the Bible? No other sources, just the Bible, and Bible alone.

Ovacoma:
so, the same Bible has two Jesuses? so its time to revenge the 'crusade'? I understand the Muslims don't insult Christianity! These are rhetorics, and no need for answers.
But, can you go back to the topic, explain the muhammed existing in the Bible? No other sources, just the Bible, and Bible alone.

No! My point about crusades is christians have used the bible to justify mindless killings as well, doesn't mean the bible allows it. Hopefully soon, these pigs will be dealt with or they will see the error in their ways and one day, we'll be able to forget these dark times were ever upon us.

Now to your point about the prophecies of Muhammad In the bible, I'll take them one after the other, give you a chance to explain or defend them or how or why you think these prophecies speak of someone else and not Muhammad.

1.The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.

—Genesis 49:10
This prophecy is read in the light of Qur'an 3:81 (you may or may not want to check the verse) as a prophecy of Muhammad. Some writers, like David Benjamin, believe that the Hebrew word Shiloh is actually a distortion of the Hebrew word "Shaluh" which means "Apostle/Messenger/One to be sent" or of the Hebrew word "Shiluah" which means "Apostle of God".

ZoranderGraeme:


No! My point about crusades is christians have used the bible to justify mindless killings as well, doesn't mean the bible allows it. Hopefully soon, these pigs will be dealt with or they will see the error in their ways and one day, we'll be able to forget these dark times were ever upon us.

Now to your point about the prophecies of Muhammad In the bible, I'll take them one after the other, give you a chance to explain or defend them or how or why you think these prophecies speak of someone else and not Muhammad.

1.The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes; And to Him shall be the obedience of the people.

—Genesis 49:10
This prophecy is read in the light of Qur'an 3:81 (you may or may not want to check the verse) as a prophecy of Muhammad. Some writers, like David Benjamin, believe that the Hebrew word Shiloh is actually a distortion of the Hebrew word "Shaluh" which means "Apostle/Messenger/One to be sent" or of the Hebrew word "Shiluah" which means "Apostle of God".

only Bible can interprete it! So, no point going to any other source as Bible came before, and may have been plagiarised, therefore, leave any other sources out. Sceptre has to do with royalty, and Judah is a tribe in Israel. I know king David is from the tribe and Israel assembled in shiloh many time. Anything pointing to muhammed here? Absolutely no. Or are u saying muhammed is Judah, or shiloh? I wouldn't read any other thing outside the Bible since we are not comparing the two books. I just want verses pointing to a man outside Israel, with another religion or new idea of God, 99 names, new way of worship, such as facing kaaba, bowing towards it, the black stone, etc, these are well known thing brought by muhammed. Just point to them in the Bible. Sorry for disturb.

Ovacoma:

only Bible can interprete it! So, no point going to any other source as Bible came before, and may have been plagiarised, therefore, leave any other sources out. Sceptre has to do with royalty, and Judah is a tribe in Israel. I know king David is from the tribe and Israel assembled in shiloh many time. Anything pointing to muhammed here? Absolutely no. Or are u saying muhammed is Judah, or shiloh? I wouldn't read any other thing outside the Bible since we are not comparing the two books. I just want verses pointing to a man outside Israel, with another religion or new idea of God, 99 names, new way of worship, such as facing kaaba, bowing towards it, the black stone, etc, these are well known thing brought by muhammed. Just point to them in the Bible. Sorry for disturb.

Deuteronomy 18:18
18 I will raise up for them a prophet (Prophet) from among their brethren like you, and will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not hearken to My words which he shall speak in My name, I Myself will require it of him. 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.

—Deuteronomy 18:18-20
Samau'al al-Maghribi, a Jewish mathematician who converted to Islam, pointed to Deuteronomy 18:18 in his book Convincing the Jews as a prophecy fulfilled by Muhammad. Samau'al argued in his book that since the children of Esau are described in Deuteronomy 2:4-6 [and in Numbers 20:14 as well] as the brethren of the children of Israel, the children of Ishmael can also be described the same way.

The comparison between Moses and Muhammad is quite common in the Qur'an and the Islamic tradition. Ka'ab al-Ahbar said: "Verily God Most High divided His vision and His conversation between Muhammad and Moses. He spoke to Moses twice, and Muhammad saw Him twice.

It is also reported in the books of hadiths that Muhammad declared before his companions that he and Ali are like Moses and Aaron.

Some Muslim writers, like Muhammad Ali, interpreted Qur'an 46:10 as a reference to Deuteronomy 18:18. The witness from among the Children of Israel is thought to be Moses, and the one like him is believed to be Muhammad:

Qur'an 73:15 was also interpreted by some Muslim writers, like Fethullah Gülen, as a reference to Deuteronomy 18:18. Similarly, Qur'an 53:3-4, where it has been stated that "Nor does he (Muhammad) speak of his own desire. It is but an Inspiration that is inspired [unto him]", was further interpreted by Muslim writers, as a reference to Deuteronomy 18:18

I can remember you admitting that Jesus was not like moses. Consider the lives of Moses and Jesus in the bible, then consider that of Moses and Muhammad.