Henry120:


By classes I mean capabilities, not weight.

Their is no evidence that the T-72B3, T-80U and T-90A aren't capable matches for their western competitors. They are a perfect match for them, the T-14 is just miles better than anything NATO has.


The SU-30SM, SU-35BM are also more than a match for any jet the west has.

Western MBT are better them.


The problem with the current Russian jets is their engines and maintenance cycles. The modified soviet era engines are problematic look at India's SU-30MKI fleet.

I'm not saying they're inferior. They are just problematic compared to what we'd describe as "western jets".

The SA's retired Cheetah jets proved a match for the SU-35 when SAAF used long range missiles.(R-Darter)

FighterPilot:


English is my first language, dummy and it is your second language, you black tire.

I spoke of survey first. I repeat, I said your luxurious aircraft cannot SURVEY a contested battle ground. Go and look at my post again you black tire.

Insults won't buy you ISTAR aircraft overnight.

I have always called ATR-42 the mighty Surveyor on this forum since one year ago, I used the word before you.

My reference is to your second post, you said visuals, because you thought radar gives visuals at close range. I educated you that radar gives signals not visuals, be grateful, Malay Pig, say thank you to Nigerians who open your tiny Pig eyes

FighterPilot:


Why do you like to over inflate specifications? What do you stand to gain from that? Do you think we will panic.

ATR-42 radar range is 407 km. On this forum, I am known to be honest
.

agaugust:


SAAF helicopters have NO recce radar to gather intelligence.

Gripen with recce pod = F-7 jet with recce pod.

Cessna is a toy plane with ZERO radar.

One single NAF Beechcraft ISTAR aircraft outclasses and out-performs ALL the South African air force recce and surveillance aircraft combined.

SAAF = ZERO ISTAR in 21st century
.

Various systems can be used to collect intelligence. Including signal interception and cameras.

The F-7 is an interceptor! Nothing more!

MikeCZAR:


The SA's retired Cheetah jets proved a match of the SU-35 when SAAF used long range missiles.(R-Darter)

In which battle or war?
.

agaugust:

Hawk jet has NO radar you fool .

So?

MikeCZAR:
Various systems can be used to collect intelligence. Including signal interception and cameras.

The F-7 is an interceptor! Nothing more!

F-7 jet of PAF and BAF carry air to surface guided weapons for ground attack, and recce pod for surveillance.

That's multi-role. F-7 jet is an interceptor and strike fighter http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1052
.

agaugust:


Insults won't buy you ISTAR aircraft overnight.

I have always called ATR-42 the mighty Surveyor on this forum since one year ago, I used the word before you.

My reference is to your second post, you said visuals, because you thought radar gives visuals at close range. I educated you that radar gives signals not visuals, be grateful, Malay Pig, say thank you to Nigerians who open your tiny Pig eyes

Yes, surveillance radar gives visuals/images.

FREE EDUCATION.

agaugust:


F-7 jet of PAF and BAF carry air to surface guided weapons for ground attack, and recce pod for surveillance.

That's multi-role. F-7 jet is an interceptor and strike fighter http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1052
.

We are talking about Nigeria not the "can't-fight PAF".

Pakistan has various upgraded versions of the F-7.

MikeCZAR:
We are talking about Nigeria not the "can't-fight PAF".

Pakistan has various upgraded versions of the F-7.

All F-7 jets are standard multi-role fighters built for interceptor/strike role. The link I posted is general info for all F-7, not NAF alone.

Learn to read with your head, not your fingers....http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1052
.

agaugust:


All F-7 jets are standard multi-role fighters built for interceptor/strike role. The link I posted is general info for all F-7, not NAF alone.

Learn to read with your head, not your fingers....http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1052
.

We are talking about NAF not PAF.


Pakistan operates upgraded variants of that jet.


"standard multi-role fighters built for interceptor/strike role" what does this even mean?

MikeCZAR:


Western MBT are better them.


The problem with the current Russian jets is their engines and maintenance cycles. The modified soviet era engines are problematic look at India's SU-30MKI fleet.

I'm not saying they're inferior. They are just problematic compared to what we'd describe as "western jets".

The SA's retired Cheetah jets proved a match for the SU-35 when SAAF used long range missiles.(R-Darter)

You are obviously senile!


The T-72B3, T-80U and T-90A2 are more than a match for any western MBT. The T-14 is on a whole new level. It is pound for pound the best MBT in the world.


Indian MKI's are the best in their class. The Problem with the incidences with Indian MKI's are primarily down to indian maintenance/ mechanical faults. HAL bears primary responsibility for for their action or inaction with india's SU fleet.

Western, Primarily US made fighter jets have been involved in more crashes than those from Russia in the last half a decade.

MikeCZAR:
So?

then why did you say it can be used for istar? When you know it doesnt have radar. Illiterat.e

agaugust:


Insults won't buy you ISTAR aircraft overnight.

I have always called ATR-42 the mighty Surveyor on this forum since one year ago, I used the word before you.

My reference is to your second post, you said visuals, because you thought radar gives visuals at close range. I educated you that radar gives signals not visuals, be grateful, Malay Pig, say thank you to Nigerians who open your tiny Pig eyes

A black tire is not am insult, it is just another way of referring to a fool. Fool, how can the radar give visuals if it does not have cams? That is logical and basic. I am quite sure that you have a problem understanding English, you poor Igbo man. I work with radars everyday. I have only said that it will be useless to survey the battle field over 400 km since you will not be getting any visuals. ISTAR does not require only signals but visuals as well for target acquisition purposes. Then if you do it only with your radars it will not be a complete ISTAR. Your luxurious wasful expenditure will unfortunately have to come to the battle ground in order to survey it in details. Doing it 400 kms away will not help you fool.

Henry120:
JLN115 this is Ukraine's Helicopter in the DRC you retarrd. You can clearly see the Ukrainian flag.

And?

agaugust:


ATR-42 radar range is 407 km. On this forum, I am known to be honest
.

You see now you are the most controversial element on Nairaland. You should be offered an award for that category. The 330km ground search radar range was confessed out of your own mouth and now it has suddenly changed. Why do you always want to remain an "X" which will always have to be solved on Nairaland.

Henry120:


You are obviously senile!


The T-72B3, T-80U and T-90A2 are more than a match for any western MBT. The T-14 is on a whole new level. It is pound for pound the best MBT in the world.


Indian MKI's are the best in their class. The Problem with the incidences with Indian MKI's are primarily down to indian maintenance/ mechanical faults. HAL bears primary responsibility for for their action or inaction with india's SU fleet.

Western, Primarily US made fighter jets have been involved in more crashes than those from Russia in the last half a decade.

Yes, the old Cheetahs did.

The Leopard 2, Challenger 2 and Abrams are better than all those tanks.

No, there's problem with their engines. The Indian air force even said this but the Russians are denying it.

Also their maintenance cycles are shorter than western jets.

lionel4power:
then why did you say it can be used for istar? When you know it doesnt have radar. Illiterat.e

Because an aircraft without radar can be used.

You mentioned UAVs last week.

One thing that I respect about BOKO HARAM is that they care less about a luxurious wasteful expenditure called ATR42. They do not respect it at all and they continue to ran down every credible feature that this overrated tech is said to have. They have proved that it can easily be penetrated and broken down, every bit of it, piece by piece. They humiliate this tech such that it is now clear on everyone's eyes that the Italians dubbed Nigerians into falling for this luxurious wasteful expenditure. They knew well Nigerian military was still poor to boast such a tech, they knew it was still just a kid to get into such big expensive shoes.

YOU HAVE BEEN DUPPED.


Meanwhile, BH attacks a Babangida community in Yobe burning down a police station and houses to the ground.

http://dailypost.ng/2015/06/15/boko-haram-attacks-babangida-in-yobe/

FighterPilot:
One thing that I respect about BOKO HARAM is that they care less about a luxurious wasteful expenditure called ATR42. They do not respect it at all and they continue to ran down every credible feature that this overrated tech is said to have. They have proved that it can easily be penetrated and broken down, every bit of it, piece by piece. They humiliate this tech such that it is now clear on everyone's eyes that the Italians dubbed Nigerians into falling for this luxurious wasteful expenditure. They knew well Nigerian military was still poor to boast such a tech, they knew it was still just a kid to get into such big expensive shoes.

YOU HAVE BEEN DUPPED.


Meanwhile, BH attacks a Babangida community in Yobe burning down a police station and houses to the ground.

http://dailypost.ng/2015/06/15/boko-haram-attacks-babangida-in-yobe/

you are the biggest and most disgraceful foolish south african on this thread. your son would shake his head in shame if he gets to know his father's level of reasoning.

and you claim to be in the military. if this is the product of the SANDF, your defence review should also include eradicating illiteracy from it's illiterate personnel.

you should also respect ISIS, PKK, IRA etc... (being a lover of terrorists) because US and these military high tech weapons are yet to stop them.

you deserve no respect as you have proven toto reason like a sub-human.

terrorist

MikeCZAR:


The problem with the current Russian jets is their engines and maintenance cycles. The modified soviet era engines are problematic look at India's SU-30MKI fleet.

Indian local industry input in manufacture and inadequate maintenance can be a cause for Indian Su-30 MKI crashes.

China flies 100 units of Su-30 MKK and have very very rare crash incidents.

American and European jets are crashing more than the Russian jets. F-16, F-18, F-15, Tornado, and new generation 4 Eurofighter Typhoons have crashed, then the new thriller...5 Rafale jets have crashed in 5 years
.

MikeCZAR:
We are talking about NAF not PAF.


Pakistan operates upgraded variants of that jet.


"standard multi-role fighters built for interceptor/strike role" what does this even mean?

Means you are too dull to understand basic terminology.

All F-7 jets are built for multi-role, interceptor and strike roles combined....including NAF F-7NI jets.

"The J-7 has been designed to perform ground attack missions in all weather conditions."

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/j7f7fighteraircraft/

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1052

Now think before you talk next time....Odenson

MikeCZAR:


Yes, surveillance radar gives visuals/images.

FREE EDUCATION.

FighterPilot:


Fool, how can the radar give visuals if it does not have cams? That is logical and basic.

Two South Africans d.estroying e.ach other on Nairaland
.

FighterPilot:


Do you think we will panic. You ATR even with a 1000 km radar range will still remain harmless because is not a fighter

Like you think we will panic because you have data-link....is Link.ZA a jet fighter ?

MikeCZAR:
Yes, the old Cheetahs did.
.

Citation needed for the battle of Cheetah Vs Su-30 jet
.

FighterPilot:


You see now you are the most controversial element on Nairaland. You should be offered an award for that category. The 330km ground search radar range was confessed out of your own mouth and now it has suddenly changed.

Why do you always want to remain an "X" which will always have to be solved on Nairaland.

ATR-42 Surveyor radar range is 407 km.....that's confirmed now.

Live with it.....oh ! You are afraid of the African king of radars ? Cool.

Trust me, I don't make claims without evidence. It's 407 km radar on NAF ATR-42 just confirmed.

We enjoy the fear and terror Nigerian ISTAR gives 50 million South Africans
.

agaugust:


Indian local industry input in manufacture and inadequate maintenance can be a cause for Indian Su-30 MKI crashes.

China flies 100 units of Su-30 MKK and have very very rare crash incidents.

American and European jets are crashing more than the Russian jets. F-16, F-18, F-15, Tornado, and new generation 4 Eurofighter Typhoons have crashed, then the new thriller...5 Rafale jets have crashed in 5 years
.

I'm not saying because their engines are troublesome they'll always crash.

Their engines are problematic and requirement a lot of maintenance compared to western ones.

SA experimented with some in the early 90s.

As a result, PLA Air Force has been knowing the
stability of Russian engines.

www.china-defense-mashup.com/chinese-avic-top-head-admits-the-poor-quality-of-jet-engine.html

agaugust:


ATR-42 Surveyor radar range is 407 km.....that's confirmed now.

Live with it.....oh ! You are afraid of the African king of radars ? Cool.

Trust me, I don't make claims without evidence. It's 407 km radar on NAF ATR-42 just confirmed.

We enjoy the fear and terror Nigerian ISTAR gives 50 million South Africans
.

You are nothing but just a chameleon who changes everything the way they want in order to suit their fallacious wishes. So, which one do we take, since I guess that next time it will change to 600 kms? You are such a desperate chameleon.

agaugust:


Like you think we will panic because you have data-link....is Link.ZA a jet fighter ?

Data link is far more important since it communicate with all platforms at the same time.

FighterPilot:


I have only said that it will be useless to survey the battle field over 400 km since you will not be getting any visuals. ISTAR does not require only signals but visuals as well for target acquisition purposes. Then if you do it only with your radars it will not be a complete ISTAR. Your luxurious wasful expenditure will unfortunately have to come to the battle ground in order to survey it in details. Doing it 400 kms away will not help you fool.

Fool, ATR-42 is a long range ISTAR platform, it does NOT fly into battlefield if their is capable threat. Yet ATR-42 Surveyor has anti-missile self defences, chaff/flare counter measures, and anti-jamming devices.

NAF ATR-42 does not use only radar you M0R0N, it has long range TV camera with magnification lens to video watch the battlefield from a safe distance beyond reach of enemy air defences, and if need be it can be escorted by jet fighters to stop enemy jets in the air.

No country in the world flies ISTAR aircraft into battle theatre of air to air threats without escort by fighter jets. You are a domingo block head.

SANDF/SAAF does not have any ISTAR aircraft with long range TV camera for visuals of battlefield from same distance, you will never understand ISTAR until 50 million South Afrivans raise funds via bank loan to buy one of Nigeria's type of aircraft
.

stillchris:


you are the biggest and most disgraceful foolish south african on this thread. your son would shake his head in shame if he gets to know his father's level of reasoning.

and you claim to be in the military. if this is the product of the SANDF, your defence review should also include eradicating illiteracy from it's illiterate personnel.

you should also respect ISIS, PKK, IRA etc... (being a lover of terrorists) because US and these military high tech weapons are yet to stop them.

you deserve no respect as you have proven toto reason like a sub-human.

terrorist

Thanks for pulling out that honest admission that your overrated glorified piece of technology you have been dubbed to buy is yet to stop Boko haram.

Thank you very much.

jln115:

And?

You were telling lies.