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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:35pm On Jun 16, 2015
Patchesagain:


Who says we have 9 pilots?

Who says you have more than 9?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 12:36pm On Jun 16, 2015
Henry120:


When did you sign the Gripen Contract?



It sure as hell didn't take Czech republic 16 years to raise 9 Pilots for their Gripens.

it's now 17 years and still 9. i believe it has reduced since they also face mass exodus of qualified pilots
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 12:38pm On Jun 16, 2015
Henry120:


When did you sign the Gripen Contract?



It sure as hell didn't take Czech republic 16 years to raise 9 Pilots for their Gripens.


[size=20]2015-2010=5, In fact, Gripens have only four years in SA. In Nigerian maths, 2015-2010=16. Bwahahaha…[/size]
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by kwametut: 12:40pm On Jun 16, 2015
Quick HISTORY LESSON for Henry 120.
SA imported SLAVES from AFRICA and ASIA. Local South Africans were never slaves. First slaves in S.A. arrived in Cape Town from Angola 500 slaves, then second group from Benin/Dahomey 225. The Dahomey slaves died out from deseases and cold since they were not suited to S.A. WEATHER CONDITIONS. Then the Dutch brought in slaves from Asia since Africans were dying out. Later they also brought Mozambiquens. grin grin grin grin grin

WE LIKE FACTS OLD MAN.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 12:41pm On Jun 16, 2015
Henry120:

Who says you have more than 9?

It is because we know we have more than 9, in fact, far more than that.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by kwametut: 12:42pm On Jun 16, 2015
we were too VIOLENT TO BE SLAVES.... grin grin grin grin

Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 12:48pm On Jun 16, 2015
The truth is now out SA combat pilots. Read.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3594&Itemid=350



Maynier says the reply to his question shows that 48% of posts for combat pilots are vacant (29 of
60 posts). It takes seventeen months to train up a combat pilot.

In addition, 58 of 167 helicopter pilot posts (34%) are currently vacant. He adds that it takes
sixteen months to train a helicopter pilot.

Furthermore, 30% of posts for transport pilots are vacant (48 of 156 posts) "and it takes twelve
months to train transport pilots."



Case Closed.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:48pm On Jun 16, 2015
Henry120:


You were telling lies.
About what?
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ssaengine: 12:48pm On Jun 16, 2015
stillchris:


why don't you do yourself a favor and give us evidence that you have more than 9 pilots.

bloody mor0n

When last did you slap your wife?

That is the calibre of question you are asking me. I dont waste my time with small boys.


You are the same people who claimed we only had 6 Gripen pilots in 2012, with the same conviction that you claim we now have 9. How did 8 Gripen pilots fly in Sweden in 2012, when you f00ls claimed with total conviction that we only had 6? Why does your mouth suddenly go silent when asked to answer that question?
We took our entire group of Gripen pilots to Sweden in 2012? There were zero pilots left at 2 Squadron only the security guards at the gate? And now you sum up the nerve from somewhere deep down in your bowls to demand we show proof we have more than 9 today? How pathetic.

A 2013 airticle said the SAAF had 18 Gripen aircrew and 52 Hawk aircrew at that time. YOU Nigerians on THIS forum took the liberty of saying 18 = 9 pilots + 9 Navigators. YOU people on THIS forum. Not the SAAF, not Defenceweb, not Janes Defence, not Beegeagle, not SAAB....but YOU social rejects. Now you are demanding proof to counter claims made here, and nowhere else.

Read through this 3 or 4 times until the stu.pidity of your comment sinks in.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:49pm On Jun 16, 2015
FighterPilot:



It is because we know we have more than 9, in fact, far more than that.

You have 9 Pilots, and of that number only 6 are actually qualified to fly that Jet.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:49pm On Jun 16, 2015
Patchesagain:


Seaspray 7000E, at less than 80kg, is the mid range Seaspray radar system. It is the
direct successor to the many hundreds of previous generation technology Seaspray radar
systems that are in service world-wide, and is appropriate to medium naval helicopters and
Maritime Patrol Aircraft (MPA) such as the AgustaWestland AW159 and Alenia Aeronautica
ATR 42 and 72, or other platforms. Seaspray 7000E is in service , in production and under
contract on a range of programmes for platforms including AW159 and SH-3D naval
helicopters and Beechcraft 200, King Air 350, CASA CN235, Fokker F27 and Alenia
Aermacchi ATR72 MPA

http://www.selex-es.com/documents/737448/24128094/body_pressback_aesa_family_radar_es.pdf

So, by the wording we see in the artical - a new sea-spray has been released, and it replaces the old seasprays in use with platforms such as the ATR42


So, either:

1. You are only semi-literate
2. You are a lair

Which is it?


Also, the ATOS system has the Seaspray as a fundimental part of it,
http://www.selex-es.com/documents/737448/18917854/body_mm07800_ATOS_LQ_.pdf

Now, 400km radar range citation please


Bwhahahahaha grin grin grin grin

I cannot stop laughing at South African 33% brain educational system failure.

Oh my sides grin grin This is fvcking hilarious !

@Patches failed comprehension in school like every other South African citizen, he scored 33% grin grin

See, what your own source says :

1. SeaSpray radar is appropriate to medium aircraft like ATR-42, ATR-72, AW159 or other aircraft, it does NOT say these aircraft use it !

2. It finally gave you a list of aircraft that uses Sea Spray radar and it is in service ATR-72, can't you interpret one simple paragraph ?

So your Soweto education has embarrassed you again here....oh my sides .....ricb cracking laughter grin grin

Show us a source that says ATR-42 uses Sea Spray radar ! Show us now !

#Sweating Patches Now Desperate grin grin
.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 12:54pm On Jun 16, 2015
Patchesagain:


uhh... the picture of more than 9 pilots sitting for their pre-flight Briefing?


Briefing room lecture is NOT = flying hours.

Actually proves our point, SAAF Gripen pilots are always on the ground inside classroom NOT flying in the air.

Nice suicide post by Patrick....I love it
.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:01pm On Jun 16, 2015
FighterPilot:


I am personally happy that Sudanese President was not arrested. All South Africans are happy for that move.

Your judiciary issued a court order and one man violated it, your 200,000 Southie security forces could not effect an arrest !

A slap on the face of South African court system, remember the Nigerian weapons money $15 million that your court sized, you cowards also released that money back to Nigeria out of fear. We bought MRAP and SAMIL trucks with the cash you siezed and boasted to spend for christmas, but fear of Nigeria made 50 million South Africans tremble and handover our money shocked shocked

South Africa fears everybody :

1. Fears Nigeria
2. Fears Seleka rebels
3. Fears Rhino Poachers
4. Fears Sudan
5. Fears everbody.....50 million cowards

Sudan too has slapped the mouth of South Africa big time..... shocked shocked

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:04pm On Jun 16, 2015
FighterPilot:


Gripens and Hawks pilots can fly the same platforms interchangeably

.

Citation needed for the above lie
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 1:04pm On Jun 16, 2015
Henry120:


You have 9 Pilots, and of that number only 6 are actually qualified to fly that Jet.

Bwahahahaha…

Those claims of nine pilots were brought about by certain Maynier of DA. The shadow minister of defence of the opposition party. Mr Maynier is not allowed in Defence meetings as he is a self proclaimed of the so called shadow minister of defence. We do not have such portfolio in out government.

Look here he is contradicting himself. [size=30]Admitting that SA has over 31 combat pilots.


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3594&Itemid=350
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ssaengine: 1:05pm On Jun 16, 2015
Henry120:


At present the SAAF can only muster six qualified Gripen pilots who only have 150 flying hours available across the whole Gripen squadron this year, according to Maynier. The annual target for fighter flying hours was 250 for the 2011/2012 period, according to the Department of Defence’s most recent Annual Report.

http://defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29831:a-dozen-saaf-gripens-in-long-term-storage35:Aerospace




SAAF only has 6 qualified Gripen Pilots, and only 9 Gripen Pilots of a total Gripen crew of 18.

Straight to dustbin. Destroyed, demolished, recycled.

Do you know who Maynier is? He is not part of the SAAF, not part of 2 Squadron, not part of the SANDF. He is an opposition MP. Same Maynier who said defence intelligence had wasted over a billion Rand on a non existent satellite (Kondor - E) which is now happily orbiting planet earth for all to see.

18 aircrew came in a later factual reply from a General to Maynier's claim of 6, and to set the record straight about Gripen storage. Again....no number 9 was ever seen anywhere besides from THIS forum.

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:09pm On Jun 16, 2015
FighterPilot:


SA hawks have avionics that simulate those of gripens. It is a very easy task for pilots to cross floor to other platform like gripens and that's what they do from time to time.

Simulator is NOT real aircraft.

Hawk and Gripen cockpits are very very different.

Speed and mechanical performance also are different.

Gripen pilots trained on Hawk as lead-in trainer, but after leaving the flying school for many years, they have NO qualifying hours to fly Hawk.

The Hawk pilots have NEVER flown a supersonic jet or have tried for a while and stopped, they are NOT qualified to fly Gripen, no hours !

Fool, this man is gonna cause air crashes by interchanging unqualified pilots o !
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 1:14pm On Jun 16, 2015
ssaengine:


When last did you slap your wife?

That is the calibre of question you are asking me. I dont waste my time with small boys.


You are the same people who claimed we only had 6 Gripen pilots in 2012, with the same conviction that you claim we now have 9. How did 8 Gripen pilots fly in Sweden in 2012, when you f00ls claimed with total conviction that we only had 6? Why does your mouth suddenly go silent when asked to answer that question?
We took our entire group of Gripen pilots to Sweden in 2012? There were zero pilots left at 2 Squadron only the security guards at the gate? And now you sum up the nerve from somewhere deep down in your bowls to demand we show proof we have more than 9 today? How pathetic.

A 2013 airticle said the SAAF had 18 Gripen aircrew and 52 Hawk aircrew at that time. YOU Nigerians on THIS forum took the liberty of saying 18 = 9 pilots + 9 Navigators. YOU people on THIS forum. Not the SAAF, not Defenceweb, not Janes Defence, not Beegeagle, not SAAB....but YOU social rejects. Now you are demanding proof to counter claims made here, and nowhere else.

Read through this 3 or 4 times until the stu.pidity of your comment sinks in.

bwahaadhahahahahahahaha.....


one question... do aircrew comprise of only pilots?

your comment comes off as a whining
old mangrin.

you are yet to prove you have more than 9 Gripen pilots
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:16pm On Jun 16, 2015
FighterPilot:
The gripens were first introduced in SA airspace in 2010. This is contrary to what the slowpoke Henry insinuated by suggesting that gripens have 16 years in SA.

Henry is correct, SAAF ordered Gripen in 1999 that is 16 years ago, your pilots are supposed to be selected and begin training program from that 16 years ago, except your country and air force is a bunch of fools who don't have training plans for aircraft that they paid for.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:20pm On Jun 16, 2015
ssaengine:


Aha. We only had 6 according to you in 2012, yet 8 pilots flew in Sweden. Close that dustbin you call a mouth....it stinks.

Any pilot with training on an aircraft can fly it, that does NOT make him combat qualified.

If you need 150 hours for combat qualification, and you have 50 hours only, you will be able to fly the aircraft, but your incompetence will show when real combat comes and the F-7 jet s.hoots down the Gripen jet in 5 minutes of combat
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by stillchris: 1:20pm On Jun 16, 2015
FighterPilot:
The truth is now out SA combat pilots. Read.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3594&Itemid=350



Maynier says the reply to his question shows that 48% of posts for combat pilots are vacant (29 of
60 posts). It takes seventeen months to train up a combat pilot.

In addition, 58 of 167 helicopter pilot posts (34%) are currently vacant. He adds that it takes
sixteen months to train a helicopter pilot.

Furthermore, 30% of posts for transport pilots are vacant (48 of 156 posts) "and it takes twelve
months to train transport pilots."


man... you are a true dumb he-goat

what your source proves is that you have 31 combat pilots.

31-9=22 Hawks pilots.

dullard


Case Closed.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 1:22pm On Jun 16, 2015
agaugust:


Your judiciary issued a court order and one man violated it, your 200,000 Southie security forces could not effect an arrest !

A slap on the face of South African court system, remember the Nigerian weapons money $15 million that your court sized, you cowards also released that money back to Nigeria out of fear. We bought MRAP and SAMIL trucks with the cash you siezed and boasted to spend for christmas, but fear of Nigeria made 50 million South Africans tremble and handover our money shocked shocked

South Africa fears everybody :

1. Fears Nigeria
2. Fears Seleka rebels
3. Fears Rhino Poachers
4. Fears Sudan
5. Fears everbody.....50 million cowards

Sudan too has slapped the mouth of South Africa big time..... shocked shocked


Bwahahahaha…

South Africans despises ICC.

1.Do you means Nigerians who are kicked left right and centre by South Africans in down town Johannesburg.

2.Seleka rebels who lost 800 souls.

3.Rhino poachers who takes pleasure at butchering animals rather than people. I call them cowards.

4.We will never allow any African be prosecuted by ICC
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ssaengine: 1:24pm On Jun 16, 2015
stillchris:


bwahaadhahahahahahahaha.....


one question... do aircrew comprise of only pilots?

your comment comes off as a whining
old mangrin.

yoyup are yet to prove you have more than 9 Gripen pilots

Answer the question....when last did you slap your wife? Huh small boy? Do not waste my time. I have utterly and completely demolished you....hence i told you to read my reply a few times until your stu.pidity sinks in.

You now have the nerve to ask "deep and reaching" questions, pretending as if you have any clew of what you're talking about. You again are deadly silent about 8 pilots in 2012, when you claimed 6.

In Nigeria the only way to get to 18 is 9 + 9? Not 12 + 6, 14 + 4, 13 + 5.....only 9 + 9?

The number 9 ONLY comes from this forum. Nowhere else in the entire universe is the number 9 linked with SAAF Gripen pilots besides THIS forum. And then you have the guts to demand proof to counter claims literally pulled out of your a.ss

Actually quite disgusting and pathetic.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:25pm On Jun 16, 2015
Patchesagain:


What datalink do you have to use for such things?

Transmitting images =/= datalink

What is the in-built ATR-42 data-link used for ?
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by ssaengine: 1:25pm On Jun 16, 2015
agaugust:


[s]Any pilot with training on an aircraft can fly it, that does NOT make him combat qualified.

If you need 150 hours for combat qualification, and you have 50 hours only, you will be able to fly the aircraft, but your incompetence will show when real combat comes and the F-7 jet s.hoots down the Gripen jet in 5 minutes of combat[/s]
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 1:27pm On Jun 16, 2015
agaugust:


Simulator is NOT real aircraft.

Hawk and Gripen cockpits are very very different.

Speed and mechanical performance also are different.

Gripen pilots trained on Hawk as lead-in trainer, but after leaving the flying school for many years, they have NO qualifying hours to fly Hawk.

The Hawk pilots have NEVER flown a supersonic jet or have tried for a while and stopped, they are NOT qualified to fly Gripen, no hours !

Fool, this man is gonna cause air crashes by interchanging unqualified pilots o !
.



[size=20]Who spoke of a simulator? Surely, that is not me[/size]

A Nigerian and his limited mental capability again. Man were you ever been to America? I guess you should have known the difference between a simulator and to simulate. Those are two different things. I should have used another word instead like the avionics have been "configured" to those of gripens. Simulators do not even fly and the hawks trainer is not a simulator but a jet. It is a training platform for all gripen pilots.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:29pm On Jun 16, 2015
FighterPilot:


Hawks pilots = Gripen pilots.

Do your subsonic Hawk pilots also fly supersonic Gripen for 150 hours a year plus 150 hours on Hawk = 300 hours per pilot ?

Show us proof !
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:29pm On Jun 16, 2015
stillchris:


no patches. stop talking like a novice

that's a silly excuse.

you signed the contract in 98. so definitelt had 10 years to train more than 9 pilots before the aircrafts are delivered.

now it's 17 years and you are stuck with just 9


Left jab, round house punch grin grin grin grin

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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:30pm On Jun 16, 2015
Henry120:


At present the SAAF can only muster six qualified Gripen pilots who only have 150 flying hours available across the whole Gripen squadron this year, according to Maynier. The annual target for fighter flying hours was 250 for the 2011/2012 period, according to the Department of Defence’s most recent Annual Report.

http://defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29831:a-dozen-saaf-gripens-in-long-term-storage35:Aerospace




SAAF only has 6 qualified Gripen Pilots, and only 9 Gripen Pilots of a total Gripen crew of 18.

Upper cut punch grin grin grin grin
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 1:35pm On Jun 16, 2015
agaugust:


Do your subsonic Hawk pilots also fly supersonic Gripen for 150 hours a year plus 150 hours on Hawk = 300 hours per pilot ?

Show us proof !

A Toyota double cab is not a sport car but it does not mean a driver of a double cap cannot drive a turbo sport car. Hawks are only a training platforms for gripens pilots.
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:40pm On Jun 16, 2015
FighterPilot:



[size=16]Who spoke of a simulator? Surely, that is not me[/size]

A Nigerian and his limited mental capability again. Man were you ever been to America? I guess you should have known the difference between a simulator and to simulate. Those are two different things. I should have used another word instead like the avionics have been "configured" to those of gripens. Simulators do not even fly and the hawks trainer is not a simulator but a jet. It is a training platform for all gripen pilots.

Let me make brain work easy for you.

Hawk has no radar. Gripen fights with radar.

Hawk pilot = Motorcycle driver

Gripen pilot = Car driver.

Hawk jet does NOT do air to air combat, it is a trainer/ light ground attack jet, so how does a Hawk pilot enter a Gripen and fly air to air combat sortie against an F-7 jet pilot that has trained to fire air to air missiles and do jet vs jet combat maneuver plus dogfight ?

A Hawk pilot flying a Gripen to do air combat against air superiority enemy jets is going to die young grin grin
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 1:40pm On Jun 16, 2015
agaugust:

Left jab, round house punch grin grin grin grin

Don't forget Master Barlow trained your unskilled pilots.

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