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Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 1:10pm On Jun 15, 2015 |
Ovacoma:Lol! To be fair I just quoted the verses, and since they said a prophet like Moses I didn't care, obviously no matter how you interprete it, those words can only mean one thing. Somebody just dashed the all the hopes of those who claim Deuteronomy 18:18 refers to someone outside Israel as they interprete 'among their brethren' as just any body, even an anti-jewish Arab prophet that came from God knows where. The verse reads 'I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren...' . Compare that verse with chapter 17:15 'Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee:..' my question now is, has Israel ever chosen/set an Arab, ishmaelite, or any one not from their tribe over them as king? You can still go ahead to continue the twisting/ wrest the scriptures as 2Peter 3: 16 says. It seems you're running out of steam here, you are repeating things over and over again with the same result: nothing to show for. Like I said, the word brethren has been used to describe even the relationship between the Edomites and the Israelites in the bible and other broad sensed use of the word. A good question for you is, if truly one is supposed to be the savior of mankind, is he supposed to only be king to the Jews in specific, you know if you read Zionist websites they'll tell you that only JEWS are human beings, I guess they got that from your bible, lol! You are one confused lot! lol! Bandit? Are you this petty? When will all these lies to put a bandit in the Bible as Prophet stop? REVELATION 22: 18 !!! Like I said, you're running out of steam, maybe you should cheer him on, but I'm afraid even he has resorted to insults and cringe worthy blunders, like you. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 1:29pm On Jun 15, 2015 |
plainbibletruth:Okay. Then I gave this....why did you even remove the others? Lol! Anyways....is there any one that fulfills all these conditions and claims to be in the bible? ScreledrusMortm: And after the list you said:Indeed I did. For goodness sake don't millions of people have natural birth and both parents? How does that and the other listed points then become UNIQUENESS that will make you come to the conclusion you arrived at?The multiple points I gave + the fact he told of his prophesy and of course the fact that he introduced true monotheism is just too much to be a coincidence, and please if you have some one who fits into this description as the prophet like Moses, please who is he? In all these you all ignored the issue of PROPHETHOOD. That should be the focus. In his office as a 'prophet' what would make you say that Mohammed qualified as the person Moses spoke about? What did he do AS A PROPHET that qualifies him to fit that position? Like I said earlier, there is NOTHING. The fact that he Muhammad the illiterate (here I say unlettered) prophet brought law, justice and love to a bunch of hateful pagans and the world as a whole. In fact he was listed as the most influential man ever!
The fact is that is what you keep telling yourself, but do you even truly believe it? You can always go back to worshipping a pagan/invented god called Jesus Christ for Jesus of Nazareth will surely be a witness against you in the day of judgement, he will say that he did not teach any thing more than what God wanted him to, and you who follow Paul and his fallacies will have no way of denying, after all it's too obvious. And after all where did Jesus ever say I am God, worship me? The only verse that comes close to that is a verse that was added out of desperation to conceal the truth because it's too obvious. It's good that it was removed later, but what else was added? You know in most times there are corruptors, Like the introduction of the golden calf by samiri, Paul, and Abdullah Ibn Saba. But back to my previous question, where did Jesus ever say I am God worship me? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 2:08pm On Jun 15, 2015 |
Medicis: The Death of Moses 34 Then Moses climbed Mount Nebo from the plains of Moab to the top of Pisgah, across from Jericho. There the Lord showed him the whole land—from Gilead to Dan, 2 all of Naphtali, the territory of Ephraim and Manasseh, all the land of Judah as far as the Mediterranean Sea, 3 the Negev and the whole region from the Valley of Jericho, the City of Palms, as far as Zoar. 4 Then the Lord said to him, “This is the land I promised on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob when I said, ‘I will give it to your descendants.’ I have let you see it with your eyes, but you will not cross over into it.” 5 And Moses the servant of the Lord died there in Moab, as the Lord had said. 6 He buried him[a] in Moab, in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is. 7 Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone. 8 The Israelites grieved for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days, until the time of weeping and mourning was over. 9 Now Joshua son of Nun was filled with the spirit[b] of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him. So the Israelites listened to him and did what the Lord had commanded Moses. 10 Since then, no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face, 11 who did all those signs and wonders the Lord sent him to do in Egypt—to Pharaoh and to all his officials and to his whole land. 12 For no one has ever shown the mighty power or performed the awesome deeds that Moses did in the sight of all Israel. I always like to make sure we get the gist of the passage. No after Moses death, the commentators, not Moses, believed the person who knew God and performed miracles. Excellent, good read by the way. Really mate? Smh! Did God know Jesus face to face? Fun fact: Do you know that the Jews didn't accept Jesus because they believed the messiah will be born of human parents just like Muhammad was? God never knew your false prophet face to face. This is a foolish christian misconception I find to be popular, lol! Muhammad performed various miracles from healing the sick to miracles involving food and drink, he made it rain, he made accurate predictions Infact Muhammad split the moon. Now just because we don't brag about it like you miracle queens, doesn't mean they didn't happen. After all the true miracle is the Quran. And also: I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle." I can point you to those numerous miracles. You really need to stop listening to those who know nothing about islam. Secondly, your false prophet never perfomed signs and wonders, Lol! And according to you jesus died screaming on a cross like a goat. But here's another misconception, Muhammad got poisoned with other people, the others died instantly, He died three years later....? And so what if he was poisoned? Lol! Do you know how many times the Jews have tried to kill him? Even as a child? Let's say he died of poison right away, it's as the bible says Matthew 23:37 37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. Mark 12:1-12 speaks of many prophets that were killed. And as the Quran says Certainly We made a covenant with the Children of Israel and We sent to them messengers; whenever there came to them a messenger with what that their souls did not desire, some (of them) they called liars, and some (of them) they killed. S. 5:7 So whether or not he was killed, that is of no importance. he could not even heal ordinary headache( He died like a rat from food poisoning) and thirdly, He had no mighty power and could not perform one single miracle. So stop being delusional!!! The prophet like unto moses must have all these characteristics, and is no other than Jesus christ In what way is Moses similar to jesus? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by plainbibletruth: 2:36pm On Jun 15, 2015 |
[size=5pt] ScreledrusMortm:[/size] Unfortunately the 'unlettered prophet' has ended up leaving behind a bundle of contradictions. Back to our matter: To imply as a possibility that Mohammed is the “prophet” predicted in Deuteronomy 18 contradicts the Qur’an, which clearly said that the “Prophethood and Scripture (Revelation)” was to come through the “descendants” of Isaac and Jacob — not Ishmael (Sura 29:27). "And We gave to Him Isaac and Jacob and placed in his descendants prophethood and scripture. And We gave him his reward in this world, and indeed, he is in the Hereafter among the righteous." 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Scholar8200(m): 2:36pm On Jun 15, 2015 |
@ScreledrusMortm 1.Did Moses mention anything about new laws? 2. Can you state some of those new laws? 3. And on what basis were those new laws to be given? 4.Besides, kindly explain/prove how these new laws will be applicable to all men since the promise here was to Israel? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 8:17pm On Jun 15, 2015 |
plainbibletruth: Lol! No it doesn't. Let's look at the verse shall we? Verse 29:27 "And We gave (Abraham) Isaac and Jacob, and ordained among his progeny Prophethood and Revelation, and We granted him his reward in this life; and he was in the Hereafter (of the company) of the Righteous." Isaac was Abraham's son and Jacob his grandson, and among his progeny was included Ishmail the eldest son of Abraham. Each of these became a fountainhead of Prophecy and Revelation. Isaac and Jaacob through Moses, and Ishmail through Muhammad. I have never denied or refuted Isaac or Jacobs prophethood, ISHMAEL, the rightful person that was almost sacrificed. Lol! It's quite simple really, infact, I'll let the Quran defend itself. Noble Verse 16:36 "For We assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle, (with the Command), 'Serve Allah, and eschew Evil': of the People were some whom Allah guided, and some on whom error became inevitably (established). So travel through the earth, and see what was the end of those who denied (the Truth)." 10:47 "To every people (was sent) a messenger: when their messenger comes (before them), the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged." "Were you present when death came to Jacob, when he said to his sons, ‘What will you worship after me?’ They answered, ‘We will worship thy God, the God of thy fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac, the One God; and to Him we submit ourselves.’" (Al Quran 2:134) "Indeed, We have sent thee (Muhammad) with the truth, as a bearer of glad tidings and as a Warner; and there is no people on earth in any age who did not receive a Warner from God." (Al Quran, 35:25) |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Proffdada: 8:34pm On Jun 15, 2015 |
Muhammad performed various miracles from healing the sick to miracles involving food and drink, he made it rain, he made accurate predictions Infact Muhammad split the moon. Now just because we don't brag about it like you miracle queens, doesn't mean they didn't happen Mohammed split the moon ![]() It's seems ur head is a moon |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 8:44pm On Jun 15, 2015 |
Scholar8200: 1. Whenever you speak of a prophet like Moses you speak of a lawgiver. 2. Islamic and Mosaic laws are quite similar, but there are certain differences, like the sabbath and how Muhammad restricted marriage to four. So all in all, it's a matter of being a lawgiver. 3. what Basis? God. 4. Muhammad was sent to all of mankind, the Israelites included. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 8:51pm On Jun 15, 2015 |
Proffdada: If it isn't the biggest pioneer of Mathematics and or stupidity, the truly worthless and illogical proffdada. We were along with God's Messenger at Mina, that moon was split up into two. One of its parts was behind the mountain and the other one was on this side of the mountain. God's Messenger said to us: Bear witness to this 039:6725 transmitted on the authority of Abdullahi Bin Masud. Verses 54:1-2 اقْتَرَبَتِ السَّاعَةُ وَانشَقَّ الْقَمَرُ وَإِن يَرَوْا آيَةً يُعْرِضُوا وَيَقُولُوا سِحْرٌ مُّسْتَمِرٌّ The hour drew nigh and the moon did rend asunder. And if they see a miracle they turn aside and say: Transient magic. Anyways, 1+1+1=? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Scholar8200(m): 8:51pm On Jun 15, 2015 |
CryptDarpick:1. But all other prophets in the Bible were not lawgivers! 2. Are those the only differences that make it a whole new set of laws? 3. The laws in the OT were given and obedience enjoined as a result of the deliverance from captivity and the institution of the Covenant ratified by the blood of animals. In fact after reading those laws contained in the book of the covenant, Moses sealed same with the blood. On what were the laws given by Mohammed based? 4. The prophesy in Deut.18:18 does not suggest that. Can you prove this from other Biblical references? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 8:57pm On Jun 15, 2015 |
Scholar8200: 1. What do you call those who enforce the laws of God? 2. Not completely, like your 3. Says, deliverance from captivity etc. but those conditions applied to muslims, did it not? Did they not migrate at first? And did they like Moses in the end not fight their enemies? But I'd like to see this verse you speak of. 3. See 2. 4. The prophesy speaks of a prophet for the Israelites. And I reiterate, if a prophet is sent for all of mankind, are the Israelites not part of mankind? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by plainbibletruth: 10:22pm On Jun 15, 2015 |
[size=5pt] CryptDarpick:[/size] You guys never cease to come up with amazing manipulations of your own book. In your 'effort' to make the Quran say what you want, you interpret it however you want. Look at that Sura and verse again and answer these: 1. Does Abraham, Isaac and Jacob listed in that order show any sequence? 2. Is Ishmael in that succession? 3. How come Ishmael's name is not directly mentioned? 4. If you want to use the word 'progeny' to support the possibility of Ishmael being included then why not include other children of Abraham? Maybe you guys have forgotten that Abraham had other wives and children or you have conveniently ignored it since it wouldn't 'fit' into your 'interpretation'. If you want Quran to defend itself like you said then you cannot bring in Ishmael because that verse NEVER mentioned Ishmael. Your bringing his name in and claiming you want to use Quran to defend itself is actually a mischievous injection which you guys do all the time. That verse clearly spells out the direct line of prophethood and Ishmael is not there and by extension Mohammed is not either. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Proffdada: 12:15am On Jun 16, 2015 |
CryptDarpick:Boolean rule 1+1+1=1 |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by jcross19: 7:20am On Jun 16, 2015 |
CryptDarpick:but why isamail was not mentioned? Because abraham still married another wives oooh and no prophet came out of other marriages. Why bible make use of brethren between edomites and israelites is because jacob children were israelite and esau children were called edomite. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Scholar8200(m): 8:16am On Jun 16, 2015 |
CryptDarpick:1. Prophets were those who reiterated God's laws ignored/ abandoned and also declare the Mind of God on current issues and future events, as revealed to them by the Spirit. The responsibility to enforce/obey rests with the listeners. 2. The verses are in Exodus 24:6-8 6 And Moses took half the blood and put it in basins, and half the blood he sprinkled on the altar. 7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has said we will do, and be obedient.” 8 And Moses took the blood, sprinkled it on the people, and said, “This is the blood of the covenant which the Lord has made with you according to all these words. The highlighted shown two important elements in the OT and also under the New Covenant. There was also a conscious affirmation by the people to the terms thereof. The two sentences here are contradictory except if you can from the same OT where Deuteronomy is, show where the promise thus referred will be applicable to all men. The law was actually the terms of the Covenant (old) and it was in line with the promise made to Abraham . The New Covenant fulfils the Old and is also in accordance with the promise made to Abraham! |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by alansary0064(m): 9:28am On Jun 16, 2015 |
truthman2012:Allah sent him and jesus testify to than. Or try to tel me who is the another Comforter dat jesus refers to in john as i qouted above |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Proffdada: 10:15am On Jun 16, 2015 |
alansary0064:the Holy Spirit was sent to bring comfort not some paedophilic jihadist that brought war and bloodshed |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 1:27pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
plainbibletruth: I think Muhsin khans translation explains this better Muhsin Khan And We bestowed on him [Ibrahim (Abraham)], Ishaque (Isaac) and Ya'qub (Jacob), and ordained among his offspring Prophethood and the Book [i.e. the Taurat (Torah) (to Musa - Moses), the Injeel (Gospel) (to 'Iesa - Jesus), the Quran (to Muhammad SAW), all from the offspring of Ibrahim (Abraham)], and We granted him his reward in this world, and verily, in the Hereafter he is indeed among the righteous. I don't see any contradiction, the verse speaks of Abrahams bloodline through And speaks of his offspring/progeny which also includes Ishmael., please Stop confusing yourself. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 1:34pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
jcross19: Muhsin khans translation better explains this. Muhsin Khan And We bestowed on him [Ibrahim (Abraham)], Ishaque (Isaac) and Ya'qub (Jacob), and ordained among his offspring Prophethood and the Book [i.e. the Taurat (Torah) (to Musa - Moses), the Injeel (Gospel) (to 'Iesa - Jesus), the Quran (to Muhammad SAW), all from the offspring of Ibrahim (Abraham)], and We granted him his reward in this world, and verily, in the Hereafter he is indeed among the righteous. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 1:40pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
Scholar8200:All of which Muhammad did. ![]() 2. The verses are in Exodus 24:6-8 I 6 And Moses took half the blood and put it in basins, and half the blood he sprinkled on the altar. 7 Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read in the hearing of the people. And they said, “All that the Lord has said we will do, and be obedient.” 8 And Moses took the blood, sprinkled it on the people, and said, “This is the blood of the covenant which the Lord has made with you according to all these words.I have no idea what you're trying to say here. The highlighted shown two important elements in the OT and also under the New Covenant. There was also a conscious affirmation by the people to the terms thereof. I swear I still don't understand. The two sentences here are contradictory except if you can from the same OT where Deuteronomy is, show where the promise thus referred will be applicable to all men.Sorry ![]() The law was actually the terms of the Covenant (old) and it was in line with the promise made to Abraham . The New Covenant fulfils the Old and is also in accordance with the promise made to Abraham! What?? I swear I don't understand anything here. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 1:41pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
Proffdada: 0+1+1+1=? Mad man! |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Scholar8200(m): 1:58pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
CryptDarpick:Meaning he brought no new laws then! . Prophets were those who reiterated God's laws ignored/ abandoned and also declare the Mind of God on current issues and future events, as revealed to them by the Spirit. The responsibility to enforce/obey rests with the listeners.All these were done by Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah too. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 2:02pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
Scholar8200: Scholar8200: What now? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Proffdada: 3:24pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
CryptDarpick:0+1+1+1 is still equals to 1 BTW Trinity means three not four |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 3:28pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
Proffdada: Life Is too short to have this same discussion with the same dimwit. FOH! |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Proffdada: 3:31pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
CryptDarpick:a dimwit is known to be overtly incorrect and seeks no correction But your case is overwhelming ![]() |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 4:02pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
Proffdada: Shut up dweeb. When someone exposes your stupidity you start pretending you're just a troll. Lol "your case is overwhelming" |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 4:04pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
Proffdada: Who? Moses? Or is it the biblical god himself? |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by jcross19: 6:03pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
CryptDarpick:holy ghost is now mohamMAD , infact muslims brains are equal fish brain . Their brains don't tell them holy spirit is what we can't see without eyes while mohamMAD bones has decayed in grave. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by jcross19: 6:06pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
CryptDarpick:holy ghost is now mohamMAD , infact muslims brains are equal fish brain . Their brains don't tell them holy spirit is what we can't see with eyes while mohamMAD bones has decayed in grave. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by Nobody: 6:16pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
jcross19: Lol! Did I or the person I'm directing the question to mention Holy Ghost? Smh, fish brain indeed. |
Re: Its Obvious That Muhammad Exist In Bible by plainbibletruth: 9:02pm On Jun 16, 2015 |
You still have not answered my questions. CryptDarpick:1. Where in this translation do we find offspring/progeny including only Ishmael and not the rest of Abraham’s offspring from his other wives? Please show me clearly. Since Abraham had other wives and children how do they 'fit' into your 'interpretation'? Why are you singling out only Ishmael and leaving the rest of Abraham’s offspring? 2. How come that portion of the Quran specifically mentioned Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in that sequence and Ishmael’s name is not mentioned? 3. Are you sure you are not the one confusing yourself? I am certainly not puzzled in any way. If these my questions are not too difficult for you please simply answer them one by one but if too difficult just admit. |
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