crusadistic:
*yawns*

TheShopKeeper:
Futhermore, Mohammed got his revelations on Quran through a medium 'angel'Jibril mostly at night time in a seclusive cave over a period of time.

Also in most Quran texts, who are the 'We' mentioned? Can someone please explain?

OJODEL10:
Waiting for islamic defence.

malvisguy212:
Satan used Muhammad as a pawn and Islam as a tool to attack the people of God. As Muhammad grew in power, he used violence to subdue those that disagreed with him. He denied the Sonship of Jesus,making him an anti-Christ, and denied other key doctrines of Christianity. Muhammad eventually urged his followers to oppress Christians and instituted laws that deny people basic human rights. Today in Muslim countries, Christians are victimized by those laws. Many of
them have murdered, executed, and or
oppressed for their faith. If a Muslim
converts to Christianity, he is under a
death sentence for apostatizing. In his
last few hours of life, Muhammad
asked Allah to curse the Christians.
Real Islam is a weapon Satan uses to
make war upon God and His people.

malvisguy212:
were are the muslims?are they ashamed.

mustymatic:


What you fail to understand is that Muslims never question that Jesus receive the Gospel (Injeel). He received it like other prophets received theirs before him.

But the authors who wrote the Bible weren't around when he was, didn't see him, talked to him after some years thay come to claim that he said some contradicting things.

mustymatic:

Ashamed of your SHAMEFUL CLAIMS?
NOPE.

“And dispute ye not with the people of
the book but say: We believe in the
revelation which has come down to us
and that which came down to you.”

What you fail to understand is that Muslims never question that Jesus receive the Gospel (Injeel). He received it like other prophets received theirs before him.
But the authors who wrote the Bible weren't around when he was, didn't see him, talked to him after some years thay come to claim that he said some contradicting things. even in modern literature this is not accepted. THIS is why even Christians invalidate some of the books, let alone Muslims

dboss444:
The O.P must be jehovah witness. Nice1. If only christians knew that when prophet mohammed entered jerusalem he never touched a soul infact he wanted to work with them to form one world religion. But when the crusaders enter mecca they destroyed the whole place. So called christians attacked islam 1st. Religion was used to enslave the black mind, any black man that knws history would always hate christianity. I dislike it when I see my fellow blacks discuss about the two foreign religion, if u actually know what these pple did

dboss444:
The O.P must be jehovah witness. Nice1. If only christians knew that when prophet mohammed entered jerusalem he never touched a soul infact he wanted to work with them to form one world religion. But when the crusaders enter mecca they destroyed the whole place. So called christians attacked islam 1st. Religion was used to enslave the black mind, any black man that knws history would always hate christianity. I dislike it when I see my fellow blacks discuss about the two foreign religion, if u actually know what these pple did

mustymatic:
Contradictions in the Bible are countless, I could list some of em but u still won't reason, Muslims believe in all the messengers and the books revealed to them...and that Muhammad is the final prophet, it doesn't where the original Bible is, it's not my obligation to use it, we have quran now which is the final testament

mustymatic:
Contradictions in the Bible are countless, I could list some of em but u still won't reason, Muslims believe in all the messengers and the books revealed to them...and that Muhammad is the final prophet, it doesn't where the original Bible is, it's not my obligation to use it, we have quran now which is the final testament

malvisguy212:
are you a muslims? you are saying different thing here. If muhammed really want to form one world religion as you claimed, then He must be the anti-christ, beside after the Jews and christians reject him, he change the direction of praying to Mecca and wage jihad on the Jews and christians, but this is off topic.

Scholar8200:

Alright as regards the highlighted:
1. The OT and NT were off shoots of the promise made to Abraham and were prophesied ahead of time. How come the 'final testament' is bereft of the faintest jot of reference by these books revealed? And has no reference to the framework- God's promise to Abraham?
2. Since God is not the author of confusion, sir, why was the New Covenant called Everlasting Covenant? especially if there was to be another?
3. Both testaments, Old and New, were ratified by blood. By what was the 'final testament ratified?
4. The last prophet was as Israel/the Church knows them, was John the baptist whose coming was clearly (expressedly) prophesied and his birth as such was attested to by angel Gabriel; mother, father and all Israel testified of his ministry and were witnesses. Whence a 'final prophet' in the books? And why the deafening silence by the books?
5. Most of the prophets and Moses prophesied of Jesus Christ and those gifted with that office today still point to Him. What then was the 'final prophet's' emphasis?
6. All prophets were inspired and they spoke by the Holy Spirit; the Word of the Lord came to them. Why the sudden change and substitution of the Holy Spirit by an angel?

7. If Mohammed had come in the inter-testament period,perhaps some of my questions would be unnecessary. But for one who came about 5+ centuries after and reiterated similar laws after the pattern of the OT's laws (with some differences) after God had clearly said He was going to make a New Covenant, NOT ACCORDING TO THE OLD, and He had already perfected same through Christ, the claims of such an one suggests that God later reversed His own words (Impossible!). How do you explain or clarify this?

I gain nothing arguing with you but, on a forum where we have many informed readers/ contributors on both sides who will gain therefrom, answers will be appreciated.

Regards

malvisguy212:
excellent question my good friend, God bless you.

malvisguy212:
you keep on dodging my question.
Surah 2:136
Say, [O believers], "We have believed in Allah
and what has been revealed to us and what has
been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and
Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants and what
was given to Moses and Jesus and what was
given to the prophets from their Lord. We make
NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN ANY OF THEM , and we are
Muslims [in submission] to Him."

This surah claimed, what Allah revealed to muhammed is no different from the other prophet, BUT NONE of this prophets claimed to have received revelation through " sent down from heaven" as muslims claimed for the quran.

NumberOne2:
Here are the differences:
Bible is inspired word of God to various Authors. It can be explained to you by the Holy Spirit or Pastor.
Koran is the inspired word of God dictated ONLY to Muhammed. It can be explained to you by Imams (no Holy Spirit).

Judging from the above deductions, you can see where the problem lies.
If a Pastor says, lets go bomb your neighbour... the Holy Spirit will direct Christians.
If the Imam says, strap yourselves and bomb your neighbour... (no Holy Spirit) we know what happens.

Holy Spirit keeps Christians in Check. Who keeps Muslims in Check?

Scholar8200:

Alright as regards the highlighted:
1. The OT and NT were off shoots of the promise made to Abraham and were prophesied ahead of time. How come the 'final testament' is bereft of the faintest jot of reference by these books revealed? And has no reference to the framework- God's promise to Abraham?
2. Since God is not the author of confusion, sir, why was the New Covenant called Everlasting Covenant? especially if there was to be another?
3. Both testaments, Old and New, were ratified by blood. By what was the 'final testament ratified?
4. The last prophet was as Israel/the Church knows them, was John the baptist whose coming was clearly (expressedly) prophesied and his birth as such was attested to by angel Gabriel; mother, father and all Israel testified of his ministry and were witnesses. Whence a 'final prophet' in the books? And why the deafening silence by the books?
5. Most of the prophets and Moses prophesied of Jesus Christ and those gifted with that office today still point to Him. What then was the 'final prophet's' emphasis?
6. All prophets were inspired and they spoke by the Holy Spirit; the Word of the Lord came to them. Why the sudden change and substitution of the Holy Spirit by an angel?

7. If Mohammed had come in the inter-testament period,perhaps some of my questions would be unnecessary. But for one who came about 5+ centuries after and reiterated similar laws after the pattern of the OT's laws (with some differences) after God had clearly said He was going to make a New Covenant, NOT ACCORDING TO THE OLD, and He had already perfected same through Christ, the claims of such an one suggests that God later reversed His own words (Impossible!). How do you explain or clarify this?

I gain nothing arguing with you but, on a forum where we have many informed readers/ contributors on both sides who will gain therefrom, answers will be appreciated.

Regards

mustymatic:


Allah commanded the believers to believe in Him and in all His Books and Messengers.

We were commanded to believe in the (original) Torah and Injil, but not to implement them.

mustymatic:

Laws are implemented regularly, you christians hv the new n old testament, u believe it was sent frm god.
do u believe that ur god made mistakes and revealed another version through various authors?

mustymatic:


Holy Holy... have u seen it? is it the same holy spirit that lets you sin?

NumberOne2:


The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth that Jesus (Isa al Masih) spoke about. The Spirit doesnt force anyone to do anything. The Spirit tells you where NOT to sin, if you still sin, that is your problem. You will face it on judgement day.
Not like Islam where you get (Shot or Flogged or Bombed) when you sin. Instant Judgement. Thus you have turned yourself to God by passing Judgement on other men

crusadistic:
so were is the original torah ,injil ? Allah continuously making reference to this book indicate this books is in circulation during that time, it is impossible for this books to vanish just like that without a copy, don't you think? Now answer the following question and see were it will land you, if you sincerely answer it, you will discovered soo many lies:
1. At what point did the people corrupted the Torah and Injeel, was it before islam, during Muhammad's time of after him?
2. If it was before islam, why would Allah refer Muhammad to something that is corrupted to make confirmation?
3. If it was after Muhamad had died, how was he able to receive the revelation that
the Scripture (Torah and Injeel) had been corrupted?
4. The quran confirms that the Scripture
was a clear proof in writings. This means
there were copies in circulation. How
possible all copies vanished without
anyone having a copy anywhere? You
should by now discover a lie is told.
5. Why would God be so weak as to allow man throw away His words before He would vow to protect the subsequent
revelations? Did He learn from experience?
I put it to you the Bible is the Torah and
Injeel put in one Book.

crusadistic:
which instant judgement for sins are you talking of is it murder,rape,stealing,robbery,adultery…
OK then no more judgement for these.let's see how beautiful the world will be

crusadistic:
which instant judgement for sins are you talking of is it murder,rape,stealing,robbery,adultery…
OK then no more judgement for these.let's see how beautiful the world will be