Henry120:

9 pilots and 9 navigators. It has been proven multiple times.

You assertion that we have 9 pilots has never once been proved.

There is no scrap of evidence to support your claim.

So, if you say it has been proven - prove it to us

Henry120:


You have 18 Gripen crew for 26 Gripen fighters.

9 pilots and 9 navigators. It has been proven multiple times.


Tell us why SAAF has a pilot shortage?

26 Gripens - 12 in rotation= 14 Operational at any given time thus we had 14 Gripen pilots IN 2013 and 50+ Hawk pilots IN 2013

jln115:

26 Gripens - 12 in rotation= 14 Operational at any given time thus we had 14 Gripen pilots IN 2013 and 50+ Hawk pilots IN 2013

No evidence. You have 26 Gripens, 18 Gripen air crew, this turns out as 9 Pilots and 9 Navigators.


You South-Africans are dullards. Why buy a plane on loan, when you know you can't fly them?

DictatorZAR:


Your obsolete F-7's has less then 3 pilots.

We don't have a pilot shortage. That of South-Africa on the other hand is well documented.

Patchesagain:


Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary", is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa).



You are making the statement that we have 9 pilots - provide evidence to support this statement.

Mumu!!


"Just a simple citation for evidence that you have more than 9 Pilots has suddenly turned you into a philosophy professor?".

Patchesagain:


If jets cant fly

Pilots cant train

How can NAF fly a jet it does not have in 2009 ? F-7 jet arrived in 2010, your source about grounded jets was a 2009 report

You see how all you South Africans have failed and failed and failed to prove that NAF F-7 jets have shortage of pilots, your 'proof' dates back to before the F-7 jets even entered service with NAF, or did the jets get grounded inside manufacturers factory in China during factory production?

See how you Southies have all trapped yourselves with your own argument.....telling lies does not pay
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Henry120:


No evidence. You have 26 Gripens, 18 Gripen air crew, this turns out as 9 Pilots and 9 Navigators.

You South-Africans are dullards. Why buy a plane on loan, when you know you can't fly them?

I think the SAAF Gripen pilot shortage has to do with lack of capable brains to train, and learn how to fly a 4th generation jet, the white officers have left SANDF and the air force is worst hit by the exit of white SAAF men, the Zulus are born to throw spears around, their brains CANNOT pass a Gripen pilot qualifying exam.

Same kind of problem the Saudis have with Eurfighter Typhoons and they want a less complex jet that their oil filled lazy brains can fly.

The South Africans are even worse, they cannot fly a light jet like the Gripen, Zulu/Xhosa brain is duller than Arab brains, Zulu/Bantu brains are 2nd bottom of the world intelligence ladder, it cannot understand how to fly a 4th generation jet fighter.

They should have bought MiG-21 upgrades from Eastern Europe and upgrade them with Israeli help, Zulu pilots can fly those types easily
.

Patchesagain:


You assertion that we have 9 pilots has never once been proved.

There is no scrap of evidence to support your claim.

So, if you say it has been proven - prove it to us

Have you provided a scrap of evidence that you have more than 9?

The onus is on you to prove that South-Africa has more than the aforementioned number, 9.


With dullards like @Fighterpilot in the SAAF, you be delusional to believe you have more than 9?

Patchesagain:


Good, so now you confess that YOU MUST POST 400KM RANGE FOR ATR

You also confess that YOU MUST POST GRIPEN 75KM GROUND SEARCH RANGE

You have killed yourself very elegantly

Oh no my boy !

I will gladly post proof of ATR-42 radar range 407 km, just that I need you to admit that South Africa needs the help of a Nigerian military researcher to rescue you Southies from the trap of Sea Spray radar in which you have locked yourselves like a mouse in a trap.

Simple.

For Gripen ground search radar range, ask your fellow South African @Milizikazi where he got his 70 km range from, I agree he is right approx
.

Asisat Oshola, I still love you, never mind those Yankees. I like your soccer and your long legs. Courteney Dike you wanna drive my nuts with your figure 8, please don't turn me into a polygamist you these girls, my flying falcons !

WTF ! Am in love with 2 women I don't know which one to take- Tony Tetuila.

Well Ugo Njoku girl I will give to Patches, he needs an elbow to bleed out his ugly nose, that's what he will get on the first date with Njoku

agaugust:


I think the SAAF Gripen pilot shortage has to do with lack of capable brains to train, and learn how to fly a 4th generation jet, the white officers have left SANDF and the air force is worst hit by the exit of white SAAF men, the Zulus are born to throw spears around, their brains CANNOT pass a Gripen pilot qualifying exam.

Same kind of problem the Saudis have with Eurfighter Typhoons and they want a less complex jet that their oil filled lazy brains can fly.

The South Africans are even worse, they cannot fly a light jet like the Gripen, Zulu/Xhosa brain is dullar than Arab brains, Zulu/Bantu brains are 2nd bottom of the world intelligence ladder, it cannot understand how to fly a 4th generation jet fighter.

They should have bought MiG-21 upgrades from Eastern Europe and upgrade them with Israeli help, Zulu pilots can fly those types easily
.

Buhahahahahahahahahaha........ That's exactly the problem why they have Pilot shortages, and funnily, it isn't even a mock.


They run a 75% - 25% quota system in their Airforce. The Zulu dullards have been incapable of filling their quotas, while most experienced and qualified white officers have left the service to take up jobs overseas or in the Private sector, and the ones who remain and are actually qualified are sent to Helicopter squadrouns.

Henry120:


No evidence. You have 26 Gripens, 18 Gripen air crew, this turns out as 9 Pilots and 9 Navigators.


You South-Africans are dullards. Why buy a plane on loan, when you know you can't fly them?

Evidence have been provided countless times regarding this matter, you simply choose to disregard these facts because it doesnt suit your totally misguided and imaginative view of what you think....sorry!!...hope SAAF looks like, for the simple fact that you can remotely compare SAAF and NAF.

But unfortunately for you, SAAF is light years head of anything NAF has or will ever have in the future, If you really want to compare SAAF to other nations, compare it to the likes of the AAF or EAF as these are the only 2 air forces in Africa that can be compared to SAAF,and even these 2 air forces are totally outclassed when one compares technological advancement.

agaugust:


You were the first to start the claim without a source, burden of proof is on you, so prove your claim.

The pit you dug for ATR-42 wrong Sea Spray radar, Patches has fallen inside after trying to pull you out, then you abandoned him there.

You come again with information about F-7 that you claim but cannot prove with sources.....Fraudster !
.

You can't prove anything!

NEXT!

Henry120:


We don't have a pilot shortage issue, so i don't see how this question is relevant.


SAAF on the other hand has a well documented pilot shortage problem.

Prove it!

Henry120:

You have 18 Gripen crew for 26 Gripen fighters.
9 pilots and 9 navigators. It has been proven multiple times.

Tell us why SAAF has a pilot shortage?

Prove that!
With a document signed by the CSAAF today!
You can't prove that Nigeria even has 1 F-7 pilot!!

MikeCZAR:
You can't prove anything!

NEXT!

NEXT is go rescue Patches, his bones are getting broken trying to help your Sea Spray radar disaster
.

jln115:


Evidence have been provided countless times regarding this matter, you simply choose to disregard these facts because it doesnt suit your totally misguided and imaginative view of what you think....sorry!!...hope SAAF looks like, for the simple fact that you can remotely compare SAAF and NAF.

But unfortunately for you, SAAF is light years head of anything NAF has or will ever have in the future, If you really want to compare SAAF to other nations, compare it to the likes of the AAF or EAF as these are the only 2 air forces in Africa that can be compared to SAAF,and even these 2 air forces are totally outclassed when one compares technological advancement.

NAF has it's edge over Algerian and Egyptian air forces. SAAF is no comparison.

Algerian air force has far far far far less combat experience compared to Nigeria.

Egyptian air force last fought a war over 40 years ago. Current pilots have ZERO experience.

Nigerian air force has flown 6,000 combat sorties in 6 months and fought wars overseas and at home consistently for the past 25 years.

NAF ISTAR beats everybody in Africa by far.

An air force is more than just having more or better jet fighters, there are different kinds of combat air forces are required to be capable of fighting, and constant experience of war is an edge.

NAF is desired by Egypt, they did not even act as if SAAF exists, the Egyptians don't want to be associated with a ZERO tested air force, SAAF
.

jln115:


Evidence have been provided countless times regarding this matter, you simply choose to disregard these facts because it doesnt suit your totally misguided and imaginative view of what you think....sorry!!...hope SAAF looks like, for the simple fact that you can remotely compare SAAF and NAF.

But unfortunately for you, SAAF is light years head of anything NAF has or will ever have in the future, If you really want to compare SAAF to other nations, compare it to the likes of the AAF or EAF as these are the only 2 air forces in Africa that can be compared to SAAF,and even these 2 air forces are totally outclassed when one compares technological advancement.

When you South-Africans get butt-hurt, you stay throwing little silly comments about jealousy.

Deal with it, the SAAF is a turd of an excuse for a service.

You have neither provided any evidence or citation to prove that the SAAF has more than 9 Gripen, qualified pilots. None!

I'm not been imaginative, the facts are well documented. The SAAF has a pilot shortage, go cry to Pretoria not on nairaland.


Truly, there actually is nothing to be jealous of the SAAF. Your A109s are mostly grounded than in the air, you fly world war II aircraft for MP duties, you have a Gripen pilot shortage, at-least 12 Gripens are always in storage( or what ever the name you currently have for it), your half-french Helicopter is obsolete, you cannot afford aviation fuel, you SAAF is broke, the SAAF only has 3 operational C-130s, experienced pilots have quit the service because of forced quota, the SAAF is pitifully inexperienced, the SAAF demands it's dead pilot pay for his service flight suit.

The South-African Air force is a joke!!


In transport the NAF is ahead,
Surveillance we are ahead,
Combat experience we are ahead,
Operational use, we are ahead,
Congrats you have a 4 GEN fighter, but it's a fighter without BVR capabilities, so it's fight with NAF's 3.5GEN F-7 is even,
And we sure well do not demand families of dead pilots killed in service to pay for flight suits.


Egypt, Algeria and Nigeria are light years ahead of the SAAF.

agaugust:


I think the SAAF Gripen pilot shortage has to do with lack of capable brains to train, and learn how to fly a 4th generation jet, the white officers have left SANDF and the air force is worst hit by the exit of white SAAF men, the Zulus are born to throw spears around, their brains CANNOT pass a Gripen pilot qualifying exam.

Same kind of problem the Saudis have with Eurfighter Typhoons and they want a less complex jet that their oil filled lazy brains can fly.

The South Africans are even worse, they cannot fly a light jet like the Gripen, Zulu/Xhosa brain is duller than Arab brains, Zulu/Bantu brains are 2nd bottom of the world intelligence ladder, it cannot understand how to fly a 4th generation jet fighter.

They should have bought MiG-21 upgrades from Eastern Europe and upgrade them with Israeli help, Zulu pilots can fly those types easily
.

this goes down as one of my favorites. I see it becoming a Nairaland classic in no time.

MikeCZAR:
Prove that!

With a document signed by the CSAAF today!

You can't prove that Nigeria even has 1 F-7 pilot!!

Real reason south Africa let Sudanese president escape:http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-troops-in-Sudan-feared-the-worst-20150617

Henry120:


Mumu!!


"Just a simple citation for evidence that you have more than 9 Pilots has suddenly turned you into a philosophy professor?".

Feel free to provide evidence that you have more than 3 F-7 pilots

agaugust:


How can NAF fly a jet it does not have in 2009 ? F-7 jet arrived in 2010, your source about grounded jets was a 2009 report

You see how all you South Africans have failed and failed and failed to prove that NAF F-7 jets have shortage of pilots, your 'proof' dates back to before the F-7 jets even entered service with NAF, or did the jets get grounded inside manufacturers factory in China during factory production?

See how you Southies have all trapped yourselves with your own argument.....telling lies does not pay
.

Poor maintenance is a theme in the Nigerian airforce

If it affects the rest of your fleet, it will be affecting the F-7's

agaugust:


[s]I think the SAAF Gripen pilot shortage has to do with lack of capable brains to train, and learn how to fly a 4th generation jet, the white officers have left SANDF and the air force is worst hit by the exit of white SAAF men, the Zulus are born to throw spears around, their brains CANNOT pass a Gripen pilot qualifying exam.

Same kind of problem the Saudis have with Eurfighter Typhoons and they want a less complex jet that their oil filled lazy brains can fly.

The South Africans are even worse, they cannot fly a light jet like the Gripen, Zulu/Xhosa brain is duller than Arab brains, Zulu/Bantu brains are 2nd bottom of the world intelligence ladder, it cannot understand how to fly a 4th generation jet fighter.

They should have bought MiG-21 upgrades from Eastern Europe and upgrade them with Israeli help, Zulu pilots can fly those types easily[/s]
.

Empty insults.

You cant even find enough pilots for your F-7's!!

Henry120:


Have you provided a scrap of evidence that you have more than 9?

The onus is on you to prove that South-Africa has more than the aforementioned number, 9.


With dullards like @Fighterpilot in the SAAF, you be delusional to believe you have more than 9?

We have provided evidence that we have 18 aircrew and 52 Hawks pilots (trainees) in 2013

We have provided evidence that at any one time 12 Gripen are operational - in 2013

The obvious conclusion is, 2 years ago, in 2013 we had 12 Gripen pilots.

Now, you are making the assertion that we have only 9 pilots - prove it

agaugust:


[s]Oh no my boy !

I will gladly post proof of ATR-42 radar range 407 km, just that I need you to admit that South Africa needs the help of a Nigerian military researcher to rescue you Southies from the trap of Sea Spray radar in which you have locked yourselves like a mouse in a trap.

Simple.

For Gripen ground search radar range, ask your fellow South African @Milizikazi where he got his 70 km range from, I agree he is right approx[/s]
.

If you are accusing me of fraud

Prove it

Post ATR radar model and range specifications

Henry120:


[s]Buhahahahahahahahahaha........ That's exactly the problem why they have Pilot shortages, and funnily, it isn't even a mock.


They run a 75% - 25% quota system in their Airforce. The Zulu dullards have been incapable of filling their quotas, while most experienced and qualified white officers have left the service to take up jobs overseas or in the Private sector, and the ones who remain and are actually qualified are sent to Helicopter squadrouns.[/s]

Empty accusations and meaningless words.

Assertations without citations.

Classic Henry120 post

agaugust:


NEXT is go rescue Patches, his bones are getting broken trying to help your Sea Spray radar disaster
.

Last I checked, I was the one who backed up my claims with a citation.

When will you do the same?

It is clear who the fraud here is!

agaugust:


[s]NAF has it's edge over Algerian and Egyptian air forces. SAAF is no comparison.

Algerian air force has far far far far less combat experience compared to Nigeria.

Egyptian air force last fought a war over 40 years ago. Current pilots have ZERO experience.

Nigerian air force has flown 6,000 combat sorties in 6 months and fought wars overseas and at home consistently for the past 25 years.

NAF ISTAR beats everybody in Africa by far.

An air force is more than just having more or better jet fighters, there are different kinds of combat air forces are required to be capable of fighting, and constant experience of war is an edge.

NAF is desired by Egypt, they did not even act as if SAAF exists, the Egyptians don't want to be associated with a ZERO tested air force, SAAF[/s]
.

Experience doesnt mean sh1t when you are trying to compare to more advanced and better trained airforces.

NAF is nowhere near the level of the SAAF

Henry120:


[s]When you South-Africans get butt-hurt, you stay throwing little silly comments about jealousy.

Deal with it, the SAAF is a turd of an excuse for a service.

You have neither provided any evidence or citation to prove that the SAAF has more than 9 Gripen, qualified pilots. None!

I'm not been imaginative, the facts are well documented. The SAAF has a pilot shortage, go cry to Pretoria not on nairaland.


Truly, there actually is nothing to be jealous of the SAAF. Your A109s are mostly grounded than in the air, you fly world war II aircraft for MP duties, you have a Gripen pilot shortage, at-least 12 Gripens are always in storage( or what ever the name you currently have for it), your half-french Helicopter is obsolete, you cannot afford aviation fuel, you SAAF is broke, the SAAF only has 3 operational C-130s, experienced pilots have quit the service because of forced quota, the SAAF is pitifully inexperienced, the SAAF demands it's dead pilot pay for his service flight suit.

The South-African Air force is a joke!!
[/s]

In transport the NAF is ahead,
Surveillance we are ahead,
Combat experience we are ahead,
Operational use, we are ahead,
Congrats you have a 4 GEN fighter, but it's a fighter without BVR capabilities, so it's fight with NAF's 3.5GEN F-7 is even,
And we sure well do not demand families of dead pilots killed in service to pay for flight suits.


Egypt, Algeria and Nigeria are light years ahead of the SAAF.

In transport NAF is ahead?

SAAF: 9 C130's (5 operational at ant one time)
NAF: 3 C-130's

Surveilance?

Uhhh... Gripen, Hawk and Cessna

Agains... 2 ATR's?

Combat experience:

SAAF - has operated in a contested airspace, has fought against enemy aircraft
NAF - has done no such thing

Operational use: - define what the hell you are talking about here.

If you think the difference between a 4th gen and a 3rd gen is in BVR then you are an utter buffoon.

NAF has never been, nor ever will be, on the same level as the SAAF.

Simple fact.

Henry120:


Truly, there actually is nothing to be jealous of the SAAF. Your A109s are mostly grounded than in the air, you fly world war II aircraft for MP duties, you have a Gripen pilot shortage, at-least 12 Gripens are always in storage( or what ever the name you currently have for it), your half-french Helicopter is obsolete, you cannot afford aviation fuel, you SAAF is broke, the SAAF only has 3 operational C-130s, experienced pilots have quit the service because of forced quota, the SAAF is pitifully inexperienced, the SAAF demands it's dead pilot pay for his service flight suit.

Lets wreck this point by point:

1. A109's mostly grounded: They have been grounded twice in 15 years of service, once due to a crash and another time due to poor administration

2. WW2 MPA's: Being replaced, unlike Nigeria, we dont have pirate infested waters, so it is a low priority

3. Gripen pilot shortage: 12 Gripen operational in 2013, more pilots have been trained since then - we are pulling our squadrons up to strength slowly but surely. Its not a shortage when our 12 Gripen can defeat any airforce in our region.

4. Rooivalk is obsolete - and yet, as we proved many times, it is more advanced than anything you have.

5. Lack of aviation fuel: 20 000 hours budgeted for, 18 000 hours used = fuel surplus

6. 3 Operational C-130's: No, 5 operational C-130's at any one time, out of a group of 9

7. Pilots quit because of quota: Citation needed

8. Inexperience: Experience is irrelevant when you are properly trained.

9. Pilots flight suit: SAAF is demanding that its property be returned.


But, now lets talk about the nigerian airfocre:

[size=13pt]1. The majority of your aircraft are grounded due to a lack of maintenance
2. 5 of your jets have crashed in the last decade - speaks of poorly trained pilots and terrible maintenance
3. You have a massive fleet of grounded aircraft (over 100 aircraft are grounded)
4. You dont have the skills, money or maintenance cycles to keep your Isrealy drones in the sky
5. Your F-7's are obsolete - and you only have 3 pilots
5a. your Alpha jets are obsolete
5b. your MB-339's are obsolete
5c. your L-39s are obsolete
6. You have a crippling shortage of helicopter transports
7. You have no mobile radar systems
8. You have no data-link, only a handful of data-link capable platforms, none of which are combat aircraft
9. The equipment you do buy is all second hand junk left over from the cold war.
10. Nigeria does not conduct regular advanced training exercises, indeed, the entire Nigerian military has no major yearly training exercises
11. Nigeria is incapable adding any indigenous content to its systems
12. Nigeria is unable to launch PGM's from any of its combat orientated platforms - and you have allready crashed one of the only platforms that can launch PGMs
13. Nigeria's missile arsenal is composed of ancient systems[/size]

Henry, you have the airforce that befits such a poorly developed and unstable country

SAAF, on the other hand, is an advanced 21st century platform.

These are simple facts

agaugust:


NEXT is go rescue Patches, his bones are getting broken trying to help your Sea Spray radar disaster
.

Can't prove it!

lezz:
Real reason south Africa let Sudanese president escape:http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-troops-in-Sudan-feared-the-worst-20150617

Why did you quote?

Like dude what does this have to do with my post?

SA troops in Sudan are under the UN. If you attack them you attack the UN and AU.