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Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 9:47pm On Jun 19, 2015 |
Whenever another suicide-bomber kills himself and several others, we wonder what pushed him toward murder and suicide. Because the terrorists have almost all been Muslims, we are tempted to think that there must be something about this religion that causes its young men to want to kill themselves in the process of ridding the world of a few more 'infidels'. However, as is becoming more clear, the vast majority of followers of Islam do not approve such acts of terror. There are probably at least 1,000 peaceful Muslims for every violent 'Muslim'. Thus, the answer probably does not lie in exploring the Muslim faith, looking for the causes of suicidal and murderous behavior. Rather, there must be something in the minds of these suicide-bombers causing them to sacrifice their own lives to kill random strangers. Many of their victims never gave a second thought to Islam. |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by MolarT(m): 9:49pm On Jun 19, 2015 |
commentus later |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 9:57pm On Jun 19, 2015 |
Islam . . . does not come hand in hand with enlightenment. When you create dogma, and you fail to provide a means to self reason, you end up with a catastrophe. 2 Likes |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by isan(m): 10:35pm On Jun 19, 2015 |
The suicide bombers believe they sacrifice theirself for allah ![]() Afterall islam also came through war 2 Likes |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 11:33pm On Jun 19, 2015 |
Buh do they really sacrifices demselves for Allah, does the Quran signifies dat? |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by MightySparrow: 2:51am On Jun 20, 2015 |
Both: the man was born innocent; the religion gives a new him a new birth into a monster by a revelation supposedly gotten by another man who is a founder of a religion to force another man to follow his religion. Man, religion; religion, man! |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 3:53am On Jun 20, 2015 |
MightySparrow: So wat ur tryna say in essence is the religion made the terrorist? |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by MightySparrow: 5:54am On Jun 20, 2015 |
sylarsquins: Religion + Muhammed = Terrorism 4 Likes |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by delishpot: 6:35am On Jun 20, 2015 |
Would they have condemned the act if it was only non muslims being killed? If yes, then I will boldly say its not a religious war. |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 8:30am On Jun 20, 2015 |
sylarsquins: You are very wrong here, there are very clear verses in the quoran and hadiths that instructs muslims to fight, kill and die for the cause of allah and they are promised heavenly rewards (including 72 virgins) for committing these heinous acts. cc: parisbookaddict could you provide us with relevant verses that prove what I wrote above? |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by true2god: 8:46am On Jun 20, 2015 |
MightySparrow:Islam is a religion of peace, or violence, depending on your location. If I'm in saudi arabia, pakistan or Iran, and I 'insult' islam or mohammed, I will be killed. If I'm in europe and I insult islam or mohammed, I will be scolded and muslims will only issue a verbal threats. If I'm in the US and I insult islam or mohammed, nothing will happen because I have right to own a gun and defend myself. Besides, muslims are tiny minority. So islamic violence is a function of place and location and can be mathematically expressed thus: IV = F(P+L+X) where IV = ISLAMIC VIOLENCE ( < infinity ) P = PLACE ( >0, <infinity) L = LOCATION (>0, <infinity) X = other variables (eg armed, unarmed, poor, rich). 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 8:58am On Jun 20, 2015 |
Jagoon: So are you saying the Quran and the Religion Islam forged the terrosist? |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 9:00am On Jun 20, 2015 |
MightySparrow:Do you mean this outta facts or outta ur hatred for the reigion? |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 9:40am On Jun 20, 2015 |
sylarsquins: Yes infact the first islamic terrorist was the founder of islam(mohamed) and he encouraged his followers to continue this acts of terrorism until the whole world accepts islam. They call it jihad. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 9:42am On Jun 20, 2015 |
Jagoon:you are so desperate to comment.keep saying what you don't know dunce! |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by parisbookaddict(f): 9:49am On Jun 20, 2015 |
Jagoon: no problem ![]() sylarsquins: Martyrdom is a bad euphemism for suicide. And as far as I know Islam is the only religion that approves this practise. Muslims often say that (terrorist) killings and suicide bombings are prohibited in Islam well there is no mention of suicide bombing in the quran, obviously, because there wasn't that method of warfare in 7th century Arabia; but what of the prohibition of suicide. Well, it is frowned upon unless it is in the cause of their god, Allah. If a muslim takes a gun and blows his head off it is suicide as we know it and is discouraged in Islamic circles and I dare to say amongst most circles. However a muslim willingly dying in the process of trying to kill the kafir (unbelievers ) and those spreading corruption in the land and in the cause of Allah's will is not considered suicide. This is why you often hear of sunnis blowing themselves up to kill their shi'a Muslim brothers, churches etc. Death in the cause of Allah's will is encouraged, supported and promoted as well as fully endorsed in Islam. No muslim can refute this, if (s)he does this then (s)he contradicts and disowns the quran. Let's look at some quran verses and one or two narratives from the hadiths, sahih muslim and sahih burhari, 2 of the most respected and authenticated sources in Islam. The Qur'an: Qur'an (4:74)-"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso FIGHTETH IN THE WAY OF Allah, BE HE SLAIN or be he victorious, on him WE SHALL BESTOW A VAST REWARD" Qur'an (9:111)-"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, AND SLAY AND ARE SLAIN: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." Qur'an (2:207)-"And there is the type of man who GIVES HIS LIFE to earn the pleasure of Allah..." Qur'an (61:10-12)"O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement." This verse was given at the battle Uhud and uses the Arabic word, Jihad. The dark-eyed virgins are mentioned in several places as well, including verses 44:54 and 52:20. For those who swing the other way, there are"perpetual youth"verse6:17, otherwise known as"boys"verses52:24and76:19. Qur'an (17:33)"And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, EXCEPT BY RIGHT" An important verse that is used by Muslims to not only justify their own deaths, but that of other bystanders who might be believers as well. Like we saw 2days ago when the Muslims in Paris killed a muslim police officer in their quest to avenge their prophet. The end justifies the means, with the goal being the defeat of the kafir, their submission and finally the establishment of Islamic rule. Qur'an 3:151 Soon shall we cast TERROR into the hearts of the unbelievers, for that they joined companion with Allah... Mohammed was the original terrorist. Qur'an 8:89 And fight with them until there is no more filna(disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah This is just a little taste of the evil commands in the quran which encourages persecutions, intolerance and prejudice. Now From the Hadith: Bukhari (52:54)- The words of Muhammad:"I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred." This is why modern-day Jihadists often say that they love death. Muslim (20:4678) - During the battle of Uhud, Muhammad was desperate to push men into battle. He promised paradise for those who would martyr themselves, prompting a young man who was eating dates to throw them away and rush to his death. Muslim (20:4655) - A man asks Muhammad "which of men is the best?" Muhammad replies that it is the man who is always ready for battle and flies into it "seeking death at places where it can be expected." (Tellingly perhaps, the next most saintly man in Islam is the hermit who lives in isolation "sparing men from his mischief." Muslim (20:4681) - "Surely, the gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords." After hearing Muhammad say that martyrdom leads to paradise, a young man pulls his sword and breaks the sheath (indicating that he has no intention of returning) then flings himself into battle until he is killed. Muslim (20.4635) - "Nobody who enters Paradise will (ever like to) return to this world even if he were offered everything on the surface of the earth (as an inducement) except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed ten times for the sake of the great honour that has been bestowed upon him." Each week, there are about ten attempted suicide bombings - all by Muslims NOT atheists, Hindus, buddists, pagans, humanists, New age . The reason why Muslims are prone to self-detonation has nothing to do with genetics, desperation or suicide. It is the ideology that promotes martyrdom by promising paradise to those who lose their lives for Allah as commanded by Mohammed A suicide bombing is really an act of homicide. When Muslim apologists say that Islam is against suicide bombings by pointing to the hadith that oppose killing oneself, such as Bukhari (23:446), they are being disingenuous and self righteous. Muslims in the conservative and Islam dominated arab world, who are less concerned about public relations, celebrate and revere suicide bombers, knowing that martyrdom in battle is glorified by their religion. As the Ayatollah Khomeini once put it, "The purest joy in Islam is to kill and be killed for Allah." Muhammad was quite shrewd in making suicide a crime while at the same time painting paradise in the most prolifically morally decadent terms - an endless Fun of sex, food, and aesthetic comfort. The frustration of the young believer, who is convinced that such eternal gratification lies just on the other side of death, but is forbidden from attaining it directly by his own hand, therefore comes to think of martyrdom as a relief - particularly if he is deprived of these comforts in life. Given this, it's a wonder that suicide bombings aren't more common than they are. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 9:55am On Jun 20, 2015 |
Jagoon: Buh Jihad of old Doesn't involve the kilings of innocent people |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 10:37am On Jun 20, 2015 |
crusadistic: You are obviously upset the evils of your religion is being exposed. ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 10:39am On Jun 20, 2015 |
sylarsquins: Jihad in it's practical sense is the waging of "holy" war with the intention of forcing people to convert to islam and yes innocent people die in the process. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by MightySparrow: 12:13pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
sylarsquins:. This is a shouting fact. Everywhere Islam is, violence is its signature. Is that hatred? Take a holiday in a typical village in Borno state for two weeks and come and write your experience on NL if you live to tell the story. |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 12:16pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
MightySparrow: Na I really aint a fan of the North, think I'll prefer. Abu. Dhabi. Wen I get bck I'll share my experience |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by MightySparrow: 12:24pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
true2god:. IV = F(P+L+X) + k where k is mandatory jihad. K can be small not actually negligible + spiritual awakening. If fact in Al - jannah when Muslims discover that Allah is merciful, they commit jihad on Him. 2 Likes |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by MightySparrow: 12:42pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
sylarsquins:. Abu Dhabi is too far na. The nearer the better. It is matter of time, soon some fundamentalist groups would arise who would find fault with the version of Islam being practised there. Then violence will follow. |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 1:18pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
MightySparrow: I don't do local vacations, I prefer abroad. Buh I doubt if any group wud be able to stand dese terrorist besides The Military |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by true2god: 1:37pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
MightySparrow:Yes, the formulae IV = F(P+L+X) + k is more inclusive since islamic jihad is a constant (k) factor in the IV equation. The IV = quran 9:29: “Fight against those who … acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and know themselves subdued.” |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by MightySparrow: 2:27pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
sylarsquins:. Alright, I recommend Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria with sponsorship. Terms and conditions applied. 1 Like |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by MightySparrow: 2:32pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
true2god: I didn't realise that. No modifications Q.E.D |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 2:35pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
MightySparrow: I can see u want me. Dead at all cost buh God pass u |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Nobody: 3:15pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
A leaf doesn't fall far from it's tree.... |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by MightySparrow: 3:25pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
sylarsquins: I hate to hate you my dear I just want you to have a taste of the best of Islam. First hand knowledge and to officially report on NL 1 Like |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Demmzy15(m): 4:02pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
Jagoon:“If your Lord had so willed (and, denying them free will, compelled humankind to believe), all who are on the earth would surely have believed, all of them. Would you, then, force people until they become believers?” ( the Qur’an, Jonah, 10:99). "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing." (the Qur’an, Heifer, 2:256) |
Re: Muslims against or in support of Terrorism by Demmzy15(m): 4:05pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
sylarsquins:Please endeavor to visit this link https://www.nairaland.com/2303107/terrorism-see-how-shaykh-al-fawzan |
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