Henry120:


Your problem is, you don't read properly before jumping to reply, as usual.

Is that the block 2?

It still proves my point, the JF-17 blk1 is just as good as a Gripen version 2.

Except it can carry less ordinance, has less thrust, a worse G-limit, worse max speed, worse thrust/ weight ratio, shorter range radar, untested weapons systems etc

Its only advantage is range.

And again, how is the block 2 better?

patches689:


Except it can carry less ordinance, has less thrust, a worse G-limit, worse max speed, worse thrust/ weight ratio, shorter range radar, untested weapons systems etc

Its only advantage is range.

And again, how is the block 2 better?

This is how, your own source is how. Funny this is the block 1.

We are comparing a block 1 JF-17 to a block 2 Gripen.

patches689:


Nope, I just told you about the exitsance of lend-lease

You started trying to say that there were no American tanks in Stalingrad.


You started the new argument.
You did this to yourself.

Nope, I stayed focused on topic....SOLDIERS, men NOT tanks

MikeCZAR:
Because of America supported and saved her.

agaugust:


There was NO single American soldier inside Russia or in the battle if Stalingrad where millions of Russians and Germans fought to death.

Your comments on Nairaland in the past one month looks like you want to mess up every thread you touch.

If you have nothing worthy to contribute, why not take time off?

You derailed off topic into tanks importation, that has NOTHING to do with bravery of local men.

The original topic remains , Nigerian troops, French troops, British troops, and the retreats from battle or surrender.

You went 100% off topic because you are born too retaarded to understand subject matter in a debate.

if you South Africans go for international debate on climate change, you will derail the world audience into HIV epidemic, that's how your mutant brain works in Chicken Republic Of South Africa
.

Henry120:


This is how, your own source is how. Funny this is the block 1.

We are comparing a block 1 JF-17 to a block 2 Gripen.

No, dont just post a picture, we all saw it when i posted it.

Tell us how.

How is it better?

agaugust:


[s]Nope, I stayed focused on topic....SOLDIERS, men NOT tanks






You derailed off topic into tanks importation, that has NOTHING to do with bravery of local men.

The original topic remains , Nigerian troops, French troops, British troops, and the retreats from battle or surrender.

You went 100% off topic because you are born too retaarded to understand subject matter in a debate.

if you South Africans go for international debate on climate change, you will derail the world audience into HIV epidemic, that's how your mutant brain works in Chicken Republic Of South Africa[/s]
.

I have shown where you started an argument with me about the existance of American tanks in Stalingrad.

Its plain for all to see.

You started the argument with me.
I educated you.
You could have avoided this.
You did it to yourself.

Henry120:


Here is the. Video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P61OyqzWjAo&sns=em

I have always told people not to ignore the good maneuverability of the JF-17, it is one of it's advantages over the Gripen in dog fight.

The JF-17 behaves like a guided missile in the air !

patches689:


I have shown where you started an argument with me about the existance of American tanks in Stalingrad.

Nope, I was not interested in a new argument, the topic was bravery of men and not equipment importation.

You actually derailed off topic by posting irrelevant stuff on an argument you knew nothing about as you confessed...

patches689:


I was not involved in that argument

Mutant brains act the way you do
.

patches689:



No, dont just post a picture, we all saw it when i posted it.

Tell us how.

How is it better?

You posted the photo showing the capabilities of the JF-17 block 1 and the Gripen block 2, yet you want me to tell you how the JF-17 block 2 is better than the Gripen block 2, if you cannot discern that for yourself, i'm sorry i cannot help you, dummy!

agaugust:


I have always told people not to ignore the good maneuverability of the JF-17, it is one of it's advantages over the Gripen in dog fight.

The JF-17 behaves like a guided missile in the air !

It is the first Aircraft to come with DSI both at prototype and production stage as a fundamental feature of the Aircraft.


It is an incredibly manoeuvrable Aircraft. The JF-17 will eat the gripen day and night. Add an AWACS to a JF-17 squad and you have a proper deterrent or strike force.

agaugust:


I have always told people not to ignore the good maneuverability of the JF-17, it is one of it's advantages over the Gripen in dog fight.

The JF-17 behaves like a guided missile in the air !

JF-17 has inferior maneuverability

Consult the info-graphic

agaugust:


Nope, I was not interested in a new argument, the topic was bravery of men and not equipment importation.

You actually derailed off topic by posting irrelevant stuff on an argument you knew nothing about as you confessed...



Mutant brains act the way you do
.

I quoted where you started the argument

Its plain to see

There is nothing to debate - topic is moot

Henry120:


You posted the photo showing the capabilities of the JF-17 block 1 and the Gripen block 2, yet you want me to tell you how the JF-17 block 2 is better than the Gripen block 2, if you cannot discern that for yourself, i'm sorry i cannot help you, dummy!

you said JF-17 Blk1 is as good as the Gripen Blk2 - this is the topic that is being discussed.

I can see the same stats as you - and I do not see anything that suggests that.

So, I want to know your thinking.

How is the JF-17 Blk1 as good as the Gripen Block 2?

Why are you unable to answer this question?

Henry120:


It is the first Aircraft to come with DSI both at prototype and production stage as a fundamental feature of the Aircraft.


It is an incredibly manoeuvrable Aircraft. The JF-17 will eat the gripen day and night. Add an AWACS to a JF-17 squad and you have a proper deterrent or strike force.

The Gripen has superior Thrust/Weight ratio, a greater wing area and is faster - this suggests the opposit of what you are saying. While the Gripen has superior radar meaning it will engage first.

How does this lead to the Gripen being "eaten day and night"

feel free at any time to substantiate your claims

agaugust:


Nope, I stayed focused on topic....SOLDIERS, men NOT tanks






You derailed off topic into tanks importation, that has NOTHING to do with bravery of local men.

The original topic remains , Nigerian troops, French troops, British troops, and the retreats from battle or surrender.

You went 100% off topic because you are born too retaarded to understand subject matter in a debate.

if you South Africans go for international debate on climate change, you will derail the world audience into HIV epidemic, that's how your mutant brain works in Chicken Republic Of South Africa
.

Look who's talking the country with the worlds worst disease burden now think they are on top of the world. Listen here b@boon go look at your country's life expectancy rate before you talk sh@iit. You trying to go off topic because you were murdered by @Patshes ;P

NIGERIA
-worlds 3rd largest HIV population(less then 5% has ever tested for hiv)
-worlds largest malaria reported cases( the disease kills more people then hiv related deaths Southern Africa)
-Yellow fever( you f@ucks can't even travel without vaccination cards)
-Polio still ravaging your Northern parts

Should I name more.

lezz:
, you are cracking me up. If khayelitsha is anything like those lying pictures you flaunt, where did the rats come from?

How did it become the 2nd biggest slum in Africa?

Oh!! I forgot you are using one of these old outdated cellphones that cannot search pictures on Google. However, I will help you to search with my apple i-phone.

Jezz, do you mean Khayelitsha has now turned so better that you won't even recognise it?

http://dirt.asla.org/2014/05/01/in-cape-town-urban-design-reduces-violence/

FighterPilot:


Jezz, do you mean Khayelitsha has now turned so better that you won't even recognise it?

http://dirt.asla.org/2014/05/01/in-cape-town-urban-design-reduces-violence/

after 24 years of frantic Zulu efforts to liberate Soweto, rats still feed on human babies , Khayelitsha has become the makoko of Africa which has successfully bred rats of 3 feet in size to consume locals.

Next.

patches689:


you said JF-17 Blk1 is as good as the Gripen Blk2 - this is the topic that is being discussed.

I can see the same stats as you - and I do not see anything that suggests that.

So, I want to know your thinking.

How is the JF-17 Blk1 as good as the Gripen Block 2?

Why are you unable to answer this question?

If you actually understood English, you wouldn't really be asking me this question.

-Radar difference is 10km in favour of the Gripen, just slightly better than the JF-17 block 1.

- JF-17 block 1 has a range of 1350 KM, much much better than the Gripen

- speed Mach 1.8 to Mach 2 in favour of the Gripen C/D

- the JF-17 has a better radar down look detection.

- the JF-17 can carry nuclear missiles, the Gripen cannot.

- the JF-17 has 7 harpoints to the 8 on the Gripen

- the JF-17 is way more manoeuvrable than the Gripen

- the Gripen has a slightly better thrust than the JF-17.

- the G limit is 8 to 8.5 in favour of the Gripen.


If these specifications do not represent an Aircraft that is just as good as the Gripen, and provide the bang-for-the-buck, then your mental limitations not mine.


Aircrafts cost

Gripen: $68 million a unit

JF-17 : $25- 30 million a unit.

lezz:
after 24 years of frantic Zulu efforts to liberate Soweto, rats still feed on human babies , Khayelitsha has become the makoko of Africa which has successfully bred rats of 3 feet in size to consume locals.
F
Next.

Believe it or not Khayelitsha has transformed. They have train stations, Bus stations, Shopping malls, tarred roads, Free housing programmes, sport centres, etc. All of which are still a dream in Nigerian cities.


However, let us not elongate this topic and concentrate on who has the ………………

Henry120:


If you actually understood English, you wouldn't really be asking me this question.

-Radar difference is 10km in favour of the Gripen, just slightly better than the JF-17 block 1.

- JF-17 block 1 has a range of 1350 KM, much much better than the Gripen

- speed Mach 1.8 to Mach 2 in favour of the Gripen C/D

- the JF-17 has a better radar down look detection.

- the JF-17 has 7 harpoints to the 8 on the Gripen

- the JF-17 is way more manoeuvrable than the Gripen

- the Gripen has a slightly better thrust than the JF-17.

- the G limit is 8 to 8.5 in favour of the Gripen.


If these specifications do not represent an Aircraft that is just as good as the Gripen, and provide the bang-for-the-buck, then you mental limitations not mine.


Aircrafts cost

Gripen: $68 million a unit

JF-17 : $25- 30 million a unit.

Despite all that you say, Gripen remains the best fighter of the century.

FighterPilot:



Believe it or not Khayelitsha has transformed. They have train stations, Bus stations, Shopping malls, tarred roads, Free housing programmes, sport centres, etc. All of which are still a dream in Nigerian cities.


However, let us not elongate this topic and concentrate on who has the ………………

bwahahaha, only on social media scripted by Zulus are south Africa's confirmed slums first world cities. Only in social media is the sandf, the best military in the world.

You can't look yourself in the mirror, because your self denying delusions stare right back at you.

FighterPilot:



Despite all that you say, Gripen remains the best fighter of the century.

You are a mumu!

Henry120:


You are a mumu!

I might be the so called mumu, but it won't change the fact that the gripen fighter remains the vicious fighter of the century to challenge American destroyers.

lezz:
bwahahaha, only on social media scripted by Zulus are south Africa's confirmed slums first world cities. Only in social media is the sandf, the best military in the world.

You can't look yourself in the mirror, because your self denying delusions stare right back at you.

Lezz, you just have to admit that your mind is still stuck to SA of the past not the current SA driven by ANC with its radical infrastructural development policies.

FighterPilot:



I might be the so called mumu, but it won't change the fact that the gripen fighter remains the vicious fighter of the century to challenge American destroyers.

You got conned, same way your government got Frigates with an obsolete combat suite.

Congrats, you paid $68 million for a JF-17 thunder.


You South-Africans are first class, grade-A dummies!

Soweto Nation of dullards.

FighterPilot:


Lezz, you just have to admit that your mind is still stuck to SA of the past not the current SA driven by ANC with its radical infrastructural development policies.

S.A 2015 is a sorry story to S.A pre 1994.

Desmond Tutu agreed that pre apartheid SA is being remembered with melancholy

Tell me, was there load shedding in Botha's apartheid government?
Or mass rapes, or massive black-on-white murder?

Nigga, every move of Zulu ANC has justified apartheid.

Zulus don't deserve freedom

lezz:
S.A 2015 is a sorry story to S.A pre 1994.

Desmond Tutu agreed that pre apartheid SA is being remembered with melancholy

Tell me, was there load shedding in Botha's apartheid government?
Or mass rapes, or massive black-on-white murder?

Nigga, every move of Zulu ANC has justified apartheid.

Zulus don't deserve freedom

I will need to take you to this hospital for your psychiatric problem.

http://mobi.iol.co.za/#!/article/new-hospital-for-khayelitsha-1.1215326

FighterPilot:



I will need to take you to this hospital for your psychiatric problem.

http://mobi.iol.co.za/#!/article/new-hospital-for-khayelitsha-1.1215326

you can't convince me with Google searches. The world has tagged khayelitsha as the 2nd largest slum in Africa. Stop your isolated pictures of secluded properties

MikeCZAR:
.

Contain BH first!

If they have not been contained ... please show me one one recent attack on any village like they had capacity to do previously! Don't tell me about suicide IED detonations. Please face your poachers and armed gangsters.

lezz:
S.A 2015 is a sorry story to S.A pre 1994.

Desmond Tutu agreed that pre apartheid SA is being remembered with melancholy

Tell me, was there load shedding in Botha's apartheid government?
Or mass rapes, or massive black-on-white murder?

Nigga, every move of Zulu ANC has justified apartheid.

Zulus don't deserve freedom

Ok the monkey got a cheap phone now he thinks he can argue with humans.

What was the percentage of access to basic services pre 1994 less then 30% of the entire country.

Secondly how big was the economy in pre 1994 compared to now.

Its funny how you fools talk about load shedding yet you have less then 20% of South Africa's entire electricity production even under load shedding you still have less power only stinking generators.

For over 60 years Nigeria still don't have a functional railway nor even a world class airport.
Now please go to your romance section, and while you at it go fetch water from your bore hole its getting late, my little waterway sh@it.

Oooops is this what a giant should do after 60 years of independence.

Lezz is this you

http://www.bellanaija.com/2014/11/05/unicef-says-49-million-nigerians-still-defecate-openly/

patches689:

"The JF-17 can hover for a couple of second"

Henry120:


You probably are very blind. I pasted the video of that particular flight, and it was no STOL dummy.

The plane is taking off vertically.

The F-22 probably is able to eat every jet, however, with it's "stealth" paint already wearing off, adversaries would be able to mount proper defences before strikes occur.

Anyway with the T-50 soon entering service, the F-22 would soon meet it's match.

So sad!

Henry120:


No question, the JF-17 thunder block II is better than the C/D.

should I care about your pet.ty opinion?