Both the deceiver and the deceived (The false prophet and the ignorant devout followers) go into eternity lost. Perhaps this is why every New Testament book in the bible except Philemon contains warnings against false prophets and their teachings, which underscores the fact that there is nothing else that should be taken more seriously than spiritual truth and error.

plaetton:
Op.
You're 100%.
But, you forgot to use examples of virgin births, Hot sexcrazed holy spirits, failing out of a house visions, and papal infallibility and threats eternal barbicues to butress your points.
I hope the omissions were not deliberate.

You also failed to mention that in all the above prophetic visions, hallucinogenic herbs also came in handy.

Lest, we forget all the aforementioned founders of the world's religions, including apostle Paul, Buddha and Moses, just to mention a few, have all been post-diagnosed with Temporary Lobe Epilepsy (TLE), a mental condition that promotes and exagerates the prophetic religious experience.

parisbookaddict:



How did u do a post Temporary Lobe Epilepsy (TLE) diagnosis, on all of the aforementioned individuals without their presence..

Remind me again where u got your psychology degree. That's by the way..

U see the reference for my write up was Christianity which all the false prophets like to latch onto... And which we Christians have been sufficiently warned about.

You as an atheist or agnostic may have a varied opinion and I will support your right to say your opinion but when u make fabrications (like u just did) I will call u to order..

plaetton:


Lol.
Typical " My religion is better than the other religions " syndrome.
Yeah! What else is new ?

First of all, post-diagnosis of a mental disorder is very easily gotten from written accounts of events, cross-referenced with the modern scientifically known symptoms of the particular disease.
Just google religion and epilepsy, and see the wealth of scientific information that shows a real cause and effect relationship between the two.

Secondly , is very very laughable and very very hypocritical ( I guess goes with the territory) to point accusing fingers at rival religions while ignoring the four other fingers pointing back at yours.
Haven't you considered that perhaps the other rival religions were only trying to counterfeit what they learned from the very best, the foremost counterfeiter all time, The Christian religion ?

I can't stop laughing at your brazen hypocrisy.

parisbookaddict:


Like I said, you have every right to your opinion...
If this view makes u sleep better at night then go for it.. It's ur cup of tea..

U are not the first to attack Christianity with lies and personal opinions and u won't be the last..

I choose to write on frauds who invented a religion by copying Christian and Jewish texts and I have written it..

If u want to write on ur fairytale "the foremost counterfeiter all time religion" as u put it, Princess u are free to do so..

parisbookaddict:


Like I said, you have every right to your opinion...
If this view makes u sleep better at night then go for it.. It's ur cup of tea..

U are not the first to attack Christianity with lies and personal opinions and u won't be the last..

I choose to write on frauds who invented a religion by copying Christian and Jewish texts and I have written it..

If u want to write on ur fairytale "the foremost counterfeiter all time religion" as u put it, Princess u are free to do so..

plaetton:


Wow.
You are certainly one a kind hypocrite.
So unabashed about your brazen public hypocrisy.
Obviously Irritated that someone is pointing at the frauds of your religion while you very busy shouting out the frauds of rival religions.
Hilarious.
I
You are the true stuff that silly religions are made of.
Mmcchheww!

johnydon22:


Yeah i get you perfectly well. . . You are lashing Islam cus it copied from christianity, this is a common knowledge.

But while blowing out your methods of starting up new religions you also forgot to add that those exact same ways you listed above also applies to the christian religion just like plaetton tried pointing out to you.

We know islam copied from Christianity (atleast the Gnostic gospels) then yet again Chrisitianity also borrowed theme from older religions (e.g: Mithraism) and also copied from the Jewish scriptures which you also accuse islam of doing. . Last i checked the tenakh is a jewish book (judaism) and belongs to neither Christianity or islam.

Same way the Jews borrowed some more mythologies to make their own scriptures like Mesopotamian, sumerian and babylonian mythologies . .

What he was saying is, You would added also in your criteria listed above similar characters exhibited by the founding fathers of christiandom at the advent of the christian religion then also point out that of islam, maybe it would have more weight then...

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahahahaha maybe i should have said the jews copied Igbo mythology instead and not the actual ones they copied

seriously imagine the magnitude of this copy and paste Nobody was even arguing with you and you are already copying and pasting and pouring out cute emotional speeches...

hahahahahahahhahaha i always love this.... Bro continue your thing shaa, i wan watch harry potter

parisbookaddict:


The only copy and paste was the Coincidences between Lincoln And Kennedy... I often use this to illustrate how epic Coincidences can be...

Cant figure out the rest of ur comment.. This is why I said u haven't developed in your arguments, u still have a lot of knowledge to acquire before I can take u serious as a skeptic..

So Mr atheist run along.. Go watch harry potter and wallow in your ignorance.

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahaha bro forget the funny emotional talks. . anyway enough of religions, Join us at the science section lets talk something more meaningful and real ...lets start here bro https://www.nairaland.com/2391945/sciences-discussion-thread/14#35080646 ...see you!!!

parisbookaddict:


For my science, tech et al discussions I go to reddit.com.. Where the Muslims are few and the topics don't bore me

parisbookaddict:



Dude I am bored with this your constant Mesopotamian, sumerian and babylonian mythologies argument.

By the way the only one that had significant similarities in the Bible is the Mesopotamian flood story.. And I have asked u that if the Mesopotamian documented a flood does that now mean it didn't happen or that the Jews were wrong.. You haven't improved in your arguments since we last had a chat.

By the way the similarities may even be plain coincidence..


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For example Kennedy and Lincoln had remarkable coincidences but does that mean neither men didn't exist

Both presidents were elected to theHouse of Representativesin '46.*.Both presidents were elected to thepresidencyin '60, after a series of debates with their opponent.*.Lincoln defeated incumbent Vice PresidentJohn C. Breckenridgefor the presidency in 1860; Kennedy defeated incumbent Vice PresidentRichard M. Nixonfor the presidency in 1960.*.Both their predecessors left office in their seventies and retired toPennsylvania.James Buchanan, whom Lincoln succeeded, retired toLancaster Township;Dwight D. Eisenhower, whom Kennedy succeeded, retired toGettysburg.*.Both theirVice Presidentsand successors were Southern Democrats named Johnson (Andrew JohnsonandLyndon B. Johnson) who were born in '08.*.Both presidents were concerned with the problems ofblack Americansand made their views strongly known in '63. Lincoln signed theEmancipation Proclamationin 1862, which took effect in 1863. In 1963, Kennedy presented his reports to Congress onCivil Rights, and the same year was the famousMarch on Washington for Jobs and Freedom.*.Both presidents were shot in the head on a Friday seated beside their wives. Both Fridays preceded a major holiday observed within the week.*.Both presidents were accompanied by another couple.*.The male companion of the other couple was wounded by the assassin.*.Both presidents had a son die during their presidency.*.Both presidents fathered four children, only one of whom survived into the next century and who served other presidents by political appointment.*.Both presidents' wives died in their sixties after an untimely decline in health, during the administration of a president who had seen their husbands in Washington, D.C. the same year as the assassination.*.Lincoln was shot byJohn Wilkes BoothatFord's Theatre; Kennedy was shot byLee Harvey Oswaldin aLincolnautomobile, made byFord.*.Both presidents' last names have 7 letters.*.There are 6 letters in each Johnson's first name.*.After shooting Lincoln, Booth ran from a theatre to a warehouse; after shooting Kennedy, Oswald ran from a warehouse to a theatre.*.Both Johnsons were succeeded as President in '69 by Republicans whose administrations were considered failures and whose mothers were named Hannah.*.Both assassins died in the same month as their victim in a state adjacent to the state of their birth.*.Both assassins were Southern white males born in the late '30s, who were in their mid-20s.*.Both assassins were killed before being tried, by men who were reared in the North, changed their name as adults, and were bachelors.*.Both assassins had 15 letters in their name*.Both assassins shot the fatal bullet while in a building where they worked on a floor above ground level.*.Both assassins suffered injuries during escape.*.Both assassins sympathized with a government that was adversarial to theinterests of the United States.
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That some civilizations documented something similar to the Jews doesn't mean the Jews are frauds..Nor is Christianity..

In fact it lends credence to the Jewish narrative.. The early Christians were mostly Jewish because they understood how Christianity fulfilled Judaism's old law and prophesies...

Do I expect u to agree with me.. Of course not, u think there isn't a God, so why would any of this make sense to u who believes humanity was a cosmic accident that randomly spurned life.

plaetton:


To say that some civilizations documented something similar to the jews is either the worse form of ignorance or the worst form of dishonesty on your part.

First, the sumerian civilizations predated the hebrew wanderings with about 5000 solid years.

The Egyptian civilization by same or even more yrs.

Babylonian civilization by at least 2000 yrs.

We also read from the bible that Abraham, father Of the hebrews was a citizen of sumerian civilization.

And also that hebrews spent a whopping 400 yrs on Egypt.

And wandered for 40 or more years in Canaan.

And also that same hebrews spent 75 years in Babylon.

Knowing all this, and then saying that another civilization may have possesed, by chance, the same myths as is found in the bible, display a very rare form of either cognitive dissonance or plain dishonesty.

The hebrews were simply master plagerists, who just did simple substitution of their tribal fetish god, yahweh, for the dieties of Ancient Summer, Egypt, Canaan and Babylon.

The rest, they say, is history.

parisbookaddict:


Like I said, you have every right to your opinion...
If this view makes u sleep better at night then go for it.. It's ur cup of tea..

U are not the first to attack Christianity with lies and personal opinions and u won't be the last..

I choose to write on frauds who invented a religion by copying Christian and Jewish texts and I have written it..

If u want to write on ur fairytale "the foremost counterfeiter all time religion" as u put it, Princess u are free to do so..

plaetton:


To say that some civilizations documented something similar to the jews is either the worse form of ignorance or the worst form of dishonesty on your part.

First, the sumerian civilizations predated the hebrew wanderings with about 5000 solid years.

The Egyptian civilization by same or even more yrs.

Babylonian civilization by at least 2000 yrs.

We also read from the bible that Abraham, father Of the hebrews was a citizen of sumerian civilization.

And also that hebrews spent a whopping 400 yrs on Egypt.

And wandered for 40 or more years in Canaan.

And also that same hebrews spent 75 years in Babylon.

Knowing all this, and then saying that another civilization may have possesed, by chance, the same myths as is found in the bible, display a very rare form of either cognitive dissonance or plain dishonesty.

The hebrews were simply master plagerists, who just did simple substitution of their tribal fetish god, yahweh, for the dieties of Ancient Summer, Egypt, Canaan and Babylon.

The rest, they say, is history.

menesheh:



Sorry i can't comment my views, you are just damn delusional in your judgement of other religious inventions and desist from using the same judgement for yours either because you felt yours is older or you were raised up a Christian or a jew.


Hung up

parisbookaddict:


U can't comment your views?? Then why comment at all..

Please post something that will actually be new, factual and hasn't been conjured up before by your atheist and %%00a@198.7.62.204 80 q@q%agnostic brothers.. .

U atheists Quite often bring your own personal opinions or that of some other fellow.. Almost never facts.. Bring some and challenge my belief.. Run along and be quiet if u can't "comment your views" as u put it.

parisbookaddict:


The atheist and the cognitive Dissonance insult.. Cant u guys make an argument without bring up that term..

You started of by claiming Temporary Lobe Epilepsy diagnosis on all the prophets and apostles meaning u believe they "coincidentally" had the same issue.. This is your belief.. But u can't apply such a "coincidence" in the Jewish narrative of the floods coincidentally being similar to that of the Mesopotamian etc.. I wonder if u are suffering from the cognitive Dissonance u atheists sing about

Look dude, Christianity is a religion and a true one whether u like it or not.. Their had been tonnes of books written to attack it and loads of theories brought Forward and they have failed... All your allegations and personal opinions. about any ancient civilization having a similar story lends credence to the Jewish narrative and doesn't take away from it..

If they plagiarized like u claim then why don't u create a topic and invite us Christians to come defend what we believe. I have created a thread to discuss the frauds latching on to Christianity to perpetuate evil And deceive, chief amongst them is Mohammed and his islam..

parisbookaddict:


Look dude, Christianity is a religion and a true one whether u like it or not.. Their had been tonnes of books written to attack it and loads of theories brought Forward and they have failed... All your allegations and personal opinions. about any ancient civilization having a similar story lends credence to the Jewish narrative and doesn't take away from it.. If they plagiarized like u claim then why don't u create a topic and invite us Christians to come defend what we believe. I have created a thread to discuss the frauds latching on to Christianity to perpetuate evil And deceive, chief amongst them is Mohammed and his islam..

Rilwayne001:


Okay now, I dare you to join the discussion going on this page https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible/15

parisbookaddict:


U can't comment your views?? Then why comment at all..

Please post something that will actually be new, factual and hasn't been conjured up before by your atheist and agnostic brothers.. .

U atheists Quite often bring your own personal opinions or that of some other fellow.. Almost never facts.. Bring some and challenge my belief.. Run along and be quiet if u can't "comment your views" as u put it.

menesheh:


I used mostly in my comment.

Check the statistics of other countries in Europe. One thing with United States is that they do actually refer to themselves as religious but they don't give a damn about bible inscriptions and laws. They do their thing in their own way. Almost all Nigerian believe in one thing or the other and are dogmatic and fanatic to the extent of suicide bombing and violence. But you dare not see such in the United States.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2109488/2030-The-year-Britain-cease-Chrsitian-nation-march-secularism.html

https://humanism.org.uk/campaigns/religion-and-belief-some-surveys-and-statistics/

2012 survey, very old
http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2012/10/statistics-round-up--religion-in-decline-around-europe-and-usa

Rilwayne001:


Okay now, I dare you to join the discussion going on this page https://www.nairaland.com/2172133/question-did-jesus-read-bible/15

plaetton:

Lol.

It seems you way too dumb to know the difference, and be able to seperate Facts from Faith. This is your grand folly.

I will always attack falsehoods from ignorant religious quacks who come here to peddle sunday school nonsense.

There is no excuse for untamed ignorance in this age of information.

The sheer irony here is that bellicose blokes like you, ignoring the log in the eyes of your own fraud religion, are stirring the pot about the Spec in the eyes of rival religions.

Like I said before, you are a shining example of how silly a religion can make a person.

parisbookaddict:

Mr Muslim when I am done with the atheists I will attend to u