MikeCZAR:
I can provide pictures of aa Gripen carrying the Meteor missile!

Your pictures don't prove anything!

SAAF will buy BVRAAM soon!

Your Junk fighter will be eaten any day by the Gripen carrying 5th Generation missiles!

mzilakazi:



What about future user such as Brazil. Canada has shown interests and hopefully India will buy it.

Tell us about your Junk Fighter.

agaugust:


The JF-17 carries a far more powerful punch than Gripen.

Hypersonic SAM missiles, PL-12 AAM, Nuclear missiles......makes the JF-17 superior punching power, LOL....Pakistan will nuke South Africa o!
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agaugust:


Show us Meteor in service with an air force.

SAAF has no cash for BRVAAM.....you went low from 25km IRIS-T to a shorter range missile.....one big step backwards....fools !

You mean your A-Darter 19 km range short legged missile that only works when Gripen has entered enemy jet's NO ESCAPE ZONE ?
.

agaugust:


Brazil buying only Gripen NG, not the old school radar Gripen of SAAF.

Canada still evaluating F-35 and F-18 Super Hornet.

India is buying Rafale.

Next Gripen customer will likely be Mexcio buying up the 12 SAAF Gripen jets from storage where South Africa has no money to maintain them.

Foolish ANC procurement policy

jln115:

Radar can be upgraded, not much to it, in fact our Gripens under go software updates regularly.

Secondly don't be surprised if SAAF upgrades its Gripen fleet to e/f standard in the future thanks to the much larger budget it will receives thanks to the Defence Review.

MikeCZAR:
I doubt they'll be upgraded to the E/F standard.

Maybe some "South Africa standard".

jln115:

Im not saying we are going to upgrade them within the next 5-10 years, but eventually they will have to be upgraded.

And yes they will be upgraded with a lot of South African software, but hardware upgrades will also have to be made, and that's something we cant do entirely by ourselves.

So yes maybe will see a South Africanised Gripen e/d, just like we have South Africanised Gripen C/Ds at the moment.

MikeCZAR:
They'll be getting the MS 20 software upgrade soon though.

Enabling usage of the Meteor BVRAAM.

jln115:

That will be awesome! Wonder what SAAF will do if Denel finishes developing an Air to Air version of the Marlin missile.
It will be interesting to see how the Meteor and Marlin stack up against each other!

litesea:

Nope the Pakistani and Chinese did half the work at kamra Pakistan i think there is a documentary on Kamra Pakistan its a very advance facility

jln115:

Nope its much much much better.

Faster
more manoeuvrable
better climb rate
better HMI
better HMD
more Hard Points
higher Payload.
better Radar
Lower Stall speed
Shorter Landing Distance

Definitely more than 10% better mate!!

patches689:




Fact is: 260 Gripen in the sky

Fact is: No one wants to buy the "$25 million Gripen"

patches689:


Lol - so you are saying Henry120 is a liar?

patches689:


Show us how you came to this "10%" figure

Henry120:


1 Hard point more

F-35 a 5th Generation fighter also runs on C++
Better HMD
There is nothing like a better HMD, HMDs can be integrated in the JF-17. I hope you remember the term open architecture.

far Better combat range

all fighters have shorter landing distance with a drag chute.

You mor0n, the JF-17 is designed to be cost effective, that's one of it's selling points.

You pathetic barber, the DSI on the JF-17 gives it a low RCS.

8 - 8.5, quite insignificant really.

JF-17 has a low wing loading, hence it can perform that incredible vertical take off manoeuvre.



Thrust difference between the JF-17 and the Gripen is virtually insignificant. The Thunder also has the advantage of providing 10% more thrust

The JF-17 has a better combat altitude.


The JF-17 has a better look down radar


The JF-17 has an advanced HMI dummy
Ect
Ect

Why are you thinking like a potato farmer in a military thread?


Again I ask, why did Pretoria buy JF-17 thunders at $ 68 million a unit?

jln115:



6. The Gripen has a RCS of 0.1m2 and the Jf-17 has a RCS of 2,5m2

jln115:



7. It doesn't matter if it has a chute or not, it still has a shorter landing distance

Henry120:


You are replying a South-African, a pure breed soweto dundie like you would a normal human being

MikeCZAR:
Show that your hypersonic is in service!

IRIS-T: 25km

A-Darter: 20km


5the Generation missiles can destroy incoming missiles!

MikeCZAR:
I doubt they'll be upgraded to the E/F standard.

Maybe some "South Africa standard".

Henry120:


If you actually understood English, you wouldn't really be asking me this question.

-Radar difference is 10km in favour of the Gripen, just slightly better than the JF-17 block 1.

- JF-17 block 1 has a range of 1350 KM, much much better than the Gripen

- speed Mach 1.8 to Mach 2 in favour of the Gripen C/D

- the JF-17 has a better radar down look detection.

- the JF-17 can carry nuclear missiles, the Gripen cannot.

- the JF-17 has 7 harpoints to the 8 on the Gripen

- the JF-17 is way more manoeuvrable than the Gripen

- the Gripen has a slightly better thrust than the JF-17.

- the G limit is 8 to 8.5 in favour of the Gripen.


If these specifications do not represent an Aircraft that is just as good as the Gripen, and provide the bang-for-the-buck, then your mental limitations not mine.


Aircrafts cost

Gripen: $68 million a unit

JF-17 : $25- 30 million a unit.

agaugust:


Quote Gripen landing distance without drag chute....thief !

agaugust:


You are personally giving the Gripen the RCS of a stealth jet or a small pigeon bird, fraudster
.

jln115:

Quote JF-17 landing distance with drag chute...thief!

jln115:

1. The PS-05/a MK4 can detect a 0,1m2 target at 120kms, the KLJ-7 can only detect a 3m2 object at 110km: Winner Gripen, No contest
2. JF-17 doesn't have a air to air refuelling capability: Winner Gripen
3. Gripen is faster as you rightly pointed out: Winner Gripen
4. You have no proof for the Gripens look down Radar: Winner N/A
5. Carrying a Nuclear warhead is basically the same as carrying a normal warhead: Winner: Tie
6. Gripen has a much lower Wing Loading, Lower Stall Speed, Better AoA thus way way more manoeuvrable: Winner Gripen, No contest
7.Gripen has 1 more hard point as you rightly pointed out: Winner Gripen
8.Gripen has better thrust to weight as you pointed out: Winner Gripen.
9.Gripen has a max G of 9, thus has a massive impact on what forces the airframe can withstand: Winner Gripen, No contest.

These are the reasons why the Gripen costs $68 million, which is still a bargain!

agaugust:


Yes :

1. A whole squadron of SAAF Gripens in cold stotage

2. A missile each per jet in SAAF

3. A team of 9 unqualified pilots for 26 jets in 15 years of SAAF training

Yes, there will be South African standard repeated ad infinitum
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agaugust:




[size=20pt] $ 68 million JAS Gripen jet with weak tyres crumble !

Swedish Rip off...Junk Aircraft Systems..Junk Landing Systems


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7aSsBw69gw

.[/size]

agaugust:


Did I ever compare normal landing with drag chute landing ?

Only you my foolish barber compares two jets landing distance when one jet is using slow down drag chute and the other jet lands normally with no slow down aid.

Your brain is saying a letter alphabet and arithmetical number are the same basis to be compared to see which is better

You were comparing two different parameters and you said one is better than the other....my barber is a fool !

Please cut my HAIR not my EAR with your sharp clipper o !

E-Dullard

agaugust:


Show us Meteor in service with an air force.

SAAF has no cash for BRVAAM.....you went low from 25km IRIS-T to a shorter range missile.....one big step backwards....fools !

You mean your A-Darter 19 km range short legged missile that only works when Gripen has entered enemy jet's NO ESCAPE ZONE ?
.

agaugust:


Brazil buying only Gripen NG, not the old school radar Gripen of SAAF.

Canada still evaluating F-35 and F-18 Super Hornet.

India is buying Rafale.

Next Gripen customer will likely be Mexcio buying up the 12 SAAF Gripen jets from storage where South Africa has no money to maintain them.

Foolish ANC procurement policy

jln115:

Radar can be upgraded, not much to it, in fact our Gripens under go software updates regularly.

Secondly don't be surprised if SAAF upgrades its Gripen fleet to e/f standard in the future thanks to the much larger budget it will receives thanks to the Defence Review.