damiso:


I agree with you .

I was just pointing out the double standards of 'freedom of speech' ni . Of course as a Christian you should be able to express your beliefs in tandem with your faith I.e. Marriage is between a man and woman. But no 'freedom of speech' no reash that one.

Mock people's religion and beliefs and they complain quickly say 'we are entitled to freedom of speech'. why are they being overly sensitive
Person with religion says what they believe, they are zealots

Not even zealots but are called hypocrites. they said Christians should worry about child marriage,rape and leave homosexuality alone.

damiso:


I agree with you .

I was just pointing out the double standards of 'freedom of speech' ni. Of course as a Christian you should be able to express your beliefs in tandem with your faith I.e. Marriage is between a man and woman. But no 'freedom of speech' no reash that one.


Mock people's religion and beliefs and they complain quickly say 'we are entitled to freedom of speech'. why are they being overly sensitive

Person with religion says what they believe, they are zealots

Sure I get you

A real Christian wouldn't be comparing and contrasting any sin as he/she is busy doing what pleases God than forming to be better.
Consult your bible and it will guide you.
Live your life to the fullest because even Jesus said he who has no sin should cast the first stone.
All have sinned and run short of His glory.
Sincerely speaking, I have dis-associated myself from pro-gay and anti-gay stand because Jesus said even a prostitute will make heaven before we hypocrites.
If Jesus/God judge us accordingly, no one will make heaven. I repeat NO ONE.
No one can lie that he/she hasn't ogled opposite sex except he/she is an asexual and we know that lust is a sin condemnable by fire.

Now in Islam, they support paedophilia and polygamy.
All Arabian and muslim dominated countries including Nigeria legalised it and no one is on their case.

An atheist would never find anything wrong in being gay, polygamous except paedophilia owing to child rights both male & female.

Illegalising paedophilia and polygamy hasn't stopped people in America from raping kids and being promiscuous.
Illegalising gayism in some African countries hasn't stopped them from banging each other.

This is far from end time things as we have been committing sins since the time of Adam & Eve.
Even Sodom was destroyed by mere inhospitability. Ezekiel 16:46 which can be phobia, greed, jealously, hatred et al

FrancisTony:

Even Sodom was destroyed by mere [b]inhospitability[/b]l

Where did u get this information from...
Can u support with biblical quotes if its from the bible

pickabeau1:


Where did u get this information from...
Can u support with biblical quotes if its from the bible

Ezekiel 16:49

"Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

P.S I quoted King James version. Some translated it as inhospitality.

The biggest hypochrites are these homosexual promoters. They are quick to judge other people's opinion but they do not want theirs judged.
The same rights you claim you have about supporting homosexuals is the same rights I have about rejecting them with every fibre of my being.
The are the first to call people bigots, meanwhile they are the worst kind of bigots themselves.

dinachi:
The biggest hypochrites are these homosexual promoters. They are quick to judge other people's opinion but they do not want theirs judged.
The same rights you claim you have about supporting homosexuals is the same rights I have about rejecting them with every fibre of my being.
The are the first to call people bigots, meanwhile they are the worst kind of bigots themselves.

No one is a hypocrite for not supporting gayism.
Hypocrisy is someone have two different opinion.
Just like your friend MrSanity who hate gay but has a topic about him having threeesome with lesbians.

That's Hypocrisy!!!

Homosexuality is not a new thing in Africa but as far as I know we have always kicked against it.

Polygamy is however allowed, there are rules to polygamy that when instituted by a real Man capable of keeping a family, there would be peace and understanding

FrancisTony:

No one is a hypocrite for not supporting gayism.
Hypocrisy is someone have two different opinion.
Just like your friend MrSanity who hate gay but has a topic about him having threeesome with lesbians.

That's Hypocrisy!!!

wow! U really lack comprehension

FrancisTony:

Ezekiel 16:49

"Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

P.S I quoted King James version. Some translated it as inhospitality.

gen 18.20 "And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;"

So to you this grievous sin is just inhospitality and not the fact they loved sodomy

I guess the act sodomy has nothing to do with the city name.. then

You confound me daily....

And a real Christian must always remember this:


Romans 16:17
Verse Concepts
Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, [size=14pt]and turn away from them[/size].



1 Corinthians 15:33
Verse Concepts
Do not be deceived: "Bad company corrupts good morals."

pickabeau1:


gen 18.20 "And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;"

So to you this grievous sin is just inhospitality and not the fact they loved sodomy

I guess the act sodomy has nothing to do with the city name.. then

You confound me daily....

Sorry, I didn't confound you; bible did.
You can fix homosexual as the grievous sin when bible didn't.

I have given you the sin of sodom according to Ezekiel.

FrancisTony:

Sorry, I didn't confound you; bible did.
You can fix homosexual as the grievous sin when bible didn't.

I have given you the sin of sodom according to Ezekiel.

i wish u did not bring bible into your liberal agenda
The Bible is clear on same sex relations

The angels were hosted by Lot in Sodom and the people preferred to lay with men as against women
yet you say na inhospital..

Gen 19.1 -9

dont twist the Bible... support your homolove as a personal thing
Dont bring Bible into it







And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;

2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.

3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

9 And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.

bukatyne

do you have anything to say about Sodom and their sin which led to destruction?

Francis says he believes its lack of hospitality that was their sin

pickabeau1:
bukatyne

do you have anything to say about Sodom and their sin which led to destruction?

Francis says he believes its lack of hospitality that was their sin

Please, Francis never said.
I gave you a bible verse.

By the way, I was finding it hard to find where God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality in the bible verse you quoted.
Lastly, I never wrote homosexuality is good.

Pickabeau1,
Abeg remember that time u were updating us about ur jogging with tracker.
How can I get that thing? Where exactly and like how much?

By d way, why did u stop?

Thanks o.


U guys can argue eeh!
Even edwife has joined.
Argument galore

FrancisTony:

Please, Francis never said.
I gave you a bible verse.

By the way, I was finding it hard to find where God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality in the bible verse you quoted.
Lastly, I never wrote homosexuality is good.

Now I'm confused

You brought a verse saying it was their inhospitality that WS their sin

Do you know what sodomy...the word means?

Moca
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moca:
Pickabeau1,
Abeg remember that time u were updating us about ur jogging with tracker.
How can I get that thing? Where exactly and like how much?

By d way, why did u stop?

Thanks o.


U guys can argue eeh!
Even edwife has joined.
Argument galore

Lol,i am not good with arguments.I just want to understand why some people support this and judge who don't support it.
As you can see it has been very decent and mature.

Hope you cool?kiss to LO.

pickabeau1:


Now I'm confused

You brought a verse saying it was their inhospitality that WS their sin

Do you know what sodomy...the word means?

Yes, I said it's inhospitality and gave you a biblical verse.

Bible referred homosexual as homosexual not sodomy.
Sodomy was coined by human.
Read the origin of the "word" sodomy.

http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/sodom.htm

FrancisTony:

Yes, I said it's inhospitality and gave you a biblical verse.

Bible referred homosexual as homosexual not sodomy.
Sodomy was coined by human.
Read the origin of the "word" sodomy.

http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/ngier/sodom.htm

I read your link. It is disingenuous to say that because a man has a perversion and God created the man, it means the perversion is of God and good
Saying that God is love and the existence of gays shows gaydom is good is asinine

I have no issue with science showing it is genetic..afterall science and religion dont always converge..but twisting d bible is something else



So what does this verse mean

Lev 18.22

New International Version
"'Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

New Living Translation
"Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.

English Standard Version
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

New American Standard Bible
'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

King James Bible
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
You are not to sleep with a man as with a woman; it is detestable.

International Standard Version
You are not to have sexual relations with a male as you would with a woman. It's detestable."

edwife:
Please everyone here i want to ask a question and i need y'all guys opinion:

After the legalization of gay marriage in America,i have read so many opinions about the matter,but one thing kept ringing in my mind is others calling those who do not support this development hypocrites.

Should we also call them hypocrites when a man decides to marry more than 2 wives and they condemn the act outrightly especially if it is a Christian brother or sister involved;Yet we have Christian gays?

Let's discuss.

cc:coogar,crackhaus,chillisauce,pickabeau,efemenaxy,ewuro,naijababe,cococandy,timbuktou,dinachi, njokusboy,bellong etc.....

They are being silly for calling the anti-gays hypocrites. Hypocrites about what ? It is the gay supporters in the West that are the hypocrites especially when they disagree with polygamy/polyandry for baseless reasons, even while they support poly-amorous relationships. Unlike, homosexuality there is actually no verse in the Bible that forbids polygamy. In fact, the 2 of of the patriachs (Abraham and Jacob) as well as other men of faith were polygamous.

pickabeau1:


I read your link. It is disingenuous to say that because a man has a perversion and God created the man, it means the perversion is of God and good
Saying that God is love and the existence of gays shows gaydom is good is asinine

I have no issue with science showing it is genetic..afterall science and religion dont always converge..but twisting d bible is something else



So what does this verse mean

Lev 18.22

Pickabeau, you are misunderstanding me.
My opening post even said that no one should compare sins - I admitted that it's bad.
Homosexuality is bad and i'm neither for or against as he who's with sin shouldn't cast the first stone. So, no need to quote Leviticus for me.

Then, my last post was directed at people who opined that American legalising gay is the sign of "end time".
I reminded them the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah according to Ezekeil & Songs of Solomon.

Kapish?

masonkz:


I've asked this repeatedly.... How many women are clamouring for polygamy? They are the ones being acquired. So how many are actually willing to be 2nd, 3rd wife, etc..

The wishes of the man only cannot be obeyed.

The ones that are in polygamous marriages and in the Western, typically American, context, women and men that are engaged in polyamorous affairs where 3 or more persons are engaged in a relationship by mutual consent. If 2 or more men want to have a woman they should be free to, and in some cases, they are.

UyiIredia:


They are being silly for calling the anti-gays hypocrites. Hypocrites about what ? It is the gay supporters in the West that are the hypocrites especially when they disagree with polygamy/polyandry for baseless reasons, even while they support poly-amorous relationships. Unlike, homosexuality [size=40pt]there is actually no verse in the Bible that forbids polygamy.[/size] In fact, the 2 of of the patriachs (Abraham and Jacob) as well as other men of faith were polygamous.

Seriously Even the whole of new testament?

Are you still a Christian? or has reverted back to atheism. All thanks to logicboy...

freecocoa:
Polygyny is just really all about the man so I don't see how that should be compared with homosexuality.

Till it can be proven that people aren't born gay, will I have a rethink on the matter and even so, I don't see how being gay affects non-gay people, so what's the noise really all about?

Y'all talk about inbreeding being legalised and all, was it not okay in the time of Jesus? What's new in this our world? Abegi.

And if it's all about men, so what ? That doesn't make it wrong. In any case, women can have multiple husbands and in some places they do. It's just that women are more liable to agree to a polygamy than men would agree to polyandry.

edwife:



Now if we have 10% of women who think like her,isn't it enough to go to court and legalized it?How many gays do we have in the world?Do gays make 30% of the population?

You don't get it. I have no issue with polygamy, but it should be fair. As much as men are calling for it, the women should also do same. That way the courts will truly know that women actually enjoy being in polygamous marriages. it's as simple as that!

masonkz:


How about you stop looking at it from a man's perspective and look at it from a woman's perspective also? Aren't we trying to be fair to both parties?

Conduct a census here on Nairaland and ask the females how many of them would really and truly love to marry polygamous men.

Therein lies your answer.

And the census will determine if polygamy is right ? How silly can you be ? If two or more women want to marry a man or two or more men want to marry a woman then they should be and are free to.

It becomes even less of an issue when one learns of polyamorous same-sex relationships where more than 2 people of the same-sex love themselves and live together.

njokusboy:


shouting lawd have mercy would not make your argument sensible....

no one is getting married off, its a matter of choice, if you dont want to marry a polygamist, then dont... there are women out there that are willing to do so.... And we are talking of the USA here, no one marries off anybody....
i repeat "marriage is a choice" you hear me so....

SMH.

Again, how many women in USA are calling out for polygamous marriage?

You just keep going in circles without facing the real question here.

FrancisTony:

Pickabeau, you are misunderstanding me.
My opening post even said that no one should compare sins - I admitted that it's bad.

I agree with this
All sins are bad but even God says a there are sins which He will not forgive

is polygamy the sin you are referring to?

Adultery..yes but i still dont see where polygamy is referred to as a sin anywhere

Homosexuality is bad and i'm neither for or against as he who's with sin shouldn't cast the first stone. So, no need to quote Leviticus for me.

Then, my last post was directed at people who opined that American legalising gay is the sign of "end time".
I reminded them the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah according to Ezekeil & Songs of Solomon.

Kapish?

I dont get this last part... gays is to my knowledge not a sign of end times..but pestilence, famine, war etc
Some even believe we entered the end times from 1914.

FrancisTony:

Seriously Even the whole of new testament?

Are you still a Christian? or has reverted back to atheism. All thanks to logicboy...

Instead of being surprised prove me wrong. Show me a verse that states that polygamy is wrong.

pickabeau1:


I agree with this
All sins are bad but even God says a there are sins which He will not forgive

is polygamy the sin you are referring to?

Adultery..yes but i still dont see where polygamy is referred to as a sin anywhere.

Matthew5:17
Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fufill.

Reference to fufill - In the beginning, God made Adam and Eve to live as a Man and a Woman not a Man and many women.
Jews made their LAW to be polygamous and that's why Jesus said he didn't come to destroy but fufill it meaning their law wasn't okay.

1Corinthians7 : 2

Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband.

I dont get this last part... gays is to my knowledge not a sign of end times..but pestilence, famine, war etc
Some even believe we entered the end times from 1914.

Well, I don't believe in Jehovah witness piffles.

UyiIredia:


And the census will determine if polygamy is right ? How silly can you be ? If two or more women want to marry a man or two or more men want to marry a woman then they should be and are free to.

It becomes even less of an issue when one learns of polyamorous same-sex relationships where more than 2 people of the same-sex love themselves and live together.

And you're being intelligent with this post of yours?

Who talked about polygamy being right or wrong here?