Catholics do not pray "to" Mary as an equal to God. They pray "through" Mary as an intercessor who prays to God on behalf of mankind.
If Catholics were to pray to Mary, this would imply that they are worshipping her as a god. But Catholics do not perceive Mary as a god. (i) They honour the Blessed Virgin Mary. (ii) The view Mary as the holiest of all the Saints. (iii) The accept the fact that Mary is the most successful Saint at obtaining Divine favours through her intercession. the above mentioned belief is partially based on the fact that Jesus is the King of kings and Mary, as the mother of the King, is the "queen mother." Then, when studying Jewish history, it is discovered that the institution of the "queen mother" was established during the reign of King Solomon.
In the Old Testament, we learn of the favoured position of the queen mother through the following words, "... then the king sat on his throne, and had a throne brought for the king's mother, and she sat on his right. Then she said, 'I have one small request to make of you, do not refuse me.' And the king said to her, 'Make your request, my mother, for I will not refuse you.'" [1 Kgs. 2:19-20]
Following the reign of King Solomon, many of the kings kept this practice. The mother of the king, through who the king received his throne, was trusted as a confident and advisor. So important was the function of the queen mothers in the days of the Old Testament that their names were listed in the succession records of the kings of Judah. [See 1 Kgs 14:21, 15:13; 2 Kgs. 12:1, 14:2, 15:2, etc...]
Similar to the intercession of the Queen Mother, when a child desires a favour and cannot obtain it from his/her parents, frequently the child will make the request to the grandparent to intercede on his/her behalf, therefore obtaining the favour that was being sought. This does not mean that the child is seeking the parental favour from the grandparent. Rather, the child is seeking the intercession of the grandparents before the parents.
Furthermore, Catholics do not differentiate between the living (in this world) and the dead (those who departed) members of the Body of Christ (the fullness of the Church.) The fullness of the mystical Body of Christ is found in the union of all the saints, past and present, here below and those above in Heaven.
In view of the aforementioned, it cannot be denied that those who were called to Heaven, including Mary, are still alive in spirit in the Kingdom of God that coexists with our world. As some non-Catholics pray through their deceased parents, grandparents or other biological relatives, asking these beloved departed persons to intercede before God on their behalf, Catholics pray through Mary to Jesus, taking advantage of her blessed position as the Mother of God.
This Catholic action affirms the prophetic and Divinely inspired passage that is found in the Holy Bible where it states, "Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed." [Lk. 1:47] All generations could not call Mary blessed if she was not actively involved in the progressive Divine Plan that continues to develop before our eyes.
Indeed, all generations have called the Blessed Virgin Mary blessed, including this one, because she has never stopped interceding on behalf of the world, her intercession obtaining endless miraculous cures and other favours. The role of Mary in the area of obtaining physical miraculous cures is well known and documented in Lourdes, France, this being only one of the many holy places where the grace of God has been manifested through the Virgin Mary at apparition sites.
Rev;5:8(the prayer of the saints)
Rev 8:3-4(the prayer of Angels)
Matt18:10(Angels praying for little children )
Even at the wedding feast of cana
I Bliv some catholics in the houz can help me with some point. Tanks

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Success1sMine:
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Bros Wetin dat1 min na

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Exempt for the hail mary prayer.....
'Holy Mary Pray for Us sinners now nd @ the hour of our Death'
Even the memorare-
'Remember O Most Blessed Virgin Mary, that is a thing unheard of, that anyone who impored your help was left forsaken, here i come, before thee I stand, a sinful nd sorrowful sinner, despite not my poor words O mother of the world incarnate'
All this things na Prayer na...
Jesus Christ Clearly said ' I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE NO ONE COMMET TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME' =This is the summary of this discussion QED!!

Nd ps..u don't need any mediator/ intersesor to connect to JESUS CHRIST.... But u need JESUS CHRIST to connect to the FATHER...
Tanks

Mcowubaba:
Exempt for the hail mary prayer.....
'Holy Mary Pray for Us sinners now nd @ the hour of our Death'
Even the memorare-
'Remember O Most Blessed Virgin Mary, that is a thing unheard of, that anyone who impored your help was left forsaken, here i come, before thee I stand, a sinful nd sorrowful sinner, despite not my poor words O mother of the world incarnate'
All this things na Prayer na...
Jesus Christ Clearly said ' I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE NO ONE COMMET TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME' =This is the summary of this discussion QED!!

Nd ps..u don't need any mediator/ intersesor to connect to JESUS CHRIST.... But u need JESUS CHRIST to connect to the FATHER...
Tanks

Bros why do u ask ur pastor to pray 4 u?

Jusmudi:

Bros why do u ask ur pastor to pray 4 u?

I don't,...
Even If i i do, he(the pastor) prays in the name of Jesus Christ, nd he doesn't in any way reference his name or personality in the prayer...
We tell pastors to pray for us, because some people have low faith or are not well grounded Christians; which makes them believe that JESUS CHRIST can't hear/answer them directly!!!
Some people tell pastors to pray for them, because the believe that the Pastor has a better understanding of the things of GOD, or the believe that the pastor/reverend is in good standing/good spiritual relationship with GOD(catholics will say 'State of Grace'),...i can give u many more reasons(both good nd bad), but that does nt equate/justifly- Praying in Mary's name or authority Or praying through Mary to JESUS CHRIST....these Pastors don't pray through themselves to Jesus Christ, the just pray directly to JESUS CHRIST nd ask HIM to interfer in the situation of the person/brethren who is being prayed for.....Or have u seen some1 pray in the name of any pastor b4 Or add any pastor's name as a point of mediator in his/her prayers...don't get me wrong, some1 can pray based on the testimony of a beliver like saying 'O GOD YOU did it for my friend Nkechi nd Osinbajo, YOU can do it for me too'...
Remain blessed!!!

Mcowubaba:
I don't,...
Even If i i do, he(the pastor) prays in the name of Jesus Christ, nd he doesn't in any way reference his name or personality in the prayer...
We tell pastors to pray for us, because some people have low faith or are not well grounded Christians; which makes them believe that JESUS CHRIST can't hear/answer them directly!!!
Some people tell pastors to pray for them, because the believe that the Pastor has a better understanding of the things of GOD, or the believe that the pastor/reverend is in good standing/good spiritual relationship with GOD(catholics will say 'State of Grace'),...i can give u many more reasons(but good nd bad), but that does nt equate/justifly- Praying in Mary's name or authority Or praying through Mary to JESUS CHRIST....these Pastors don't pray through themselves to Jesus Christ, the just pray directly to JESUS CHRIST nd ask HIM to interfer in the situation of the person/brethren who is being prayed for.....Or have u seen some1 pray in the name of any pastor b4 Or add any pastor's name as a point of mediator in his/her prayers...don't get me wrong, some1 can pray based on the testimony of a beliver like saying 'O GOD YOU did it for my friend Nkechi nd Osinbajo, YOU can do it for me too'...
Remain blessed!!!

Bros why do sm people pray through dia G.O, sm will say the God dt worketh with my G.O, sm churches even put on the medals of dia G.O

Jusmudi:

Bros why do sm people pray through dia G.O, sm will say the God dt worketh with my G.O, sm churches even put on the medals of dia G.O

With all due respect sir, i have analysed nd answered this ur question, it is either u failed to grasp the answer or u are deliberately auto-replying me
U have no valid or logical question or issue, fact or observation
So adieu Sir....
Go nd consult with ur catechism teachers, catechist or Revend father let dem equipe you with more false doctrines, then come back, through the grace of GOD i will tell u the truth nd dispute the fallacies in Catholic Church
Till then, may the Peace of the Lord be with you nd your family...
Bye bye

Mcowubaba:

With all due respect sir, i have analysed nd answered this ur question, it is either u failed to grasp the answer or u are deliberatly auto-replying me
U have no valid or logical question or issue, fact or observation
So adieu Sir....
Go nd consult with ur cathesist or Revend father let dem equipe you with more false doctrines, nd come back, through the grace of GOD i will tell u the truth nd dispute the fallacies in Catholic Church
Till then, may the Peace of the Lord be with you nd your family...
Bye bye

my Bros remember in that book of Rev I mentioned earlier not until d saints prayed, dt is to tel u dt dere is intercession, nd lik I said b4 at the wedding feast of cana, mary's role indicate wat a mother she is nd also read my post again

Jusmudi:


my Bros remember in that book of Rev I mentioned earlier not until d saints prayed, dt is to tel u dt dere is intercession, nd lik I said b4 at the wedding feast of cana, mary's role indicate wat a mother she is nd also read my post again

don't get me wrong, i am nt in any way negleting Mary's roles in JESUS CHRIST's 'earthly' life....
All i am saying is that we should never pray to Mary to intercede for us SIMPLE!!!!..the Bible makes it clear the Mary is blessed among Women!!..Mary is blessed -NO DOUBT....but she is NOT A MEDIATOR TO JESUS CHRIST!! AT ALL...Jesus said in Matthew28:18 'all authority in heaven nd earth has been given to ME' Mary's name was not mentioned..
Let me take you further,
Mary is a mortal, JESUS CHRIST is divine/spirit...JESUS CHRIST was before Abraham nt to talk about Mary, what qualified Mary was her being the earthly channel through which the Saviour came!!! ..if u did English well, u will remember qualifing noun, verb, adjective....
Without JESUS CHRIST coming there will be no memory of Mary, but without Mary, there has always been Jesus Christ...Christ is the qualifing noun in Mary's life, 'she is nobody to be worshipped' even in the old testaments(Isaiah nd co) the kept mentioning a Virgin will conceive, if u notice the did nt lay emphasis on the woman, their emphasis was on the Child...read Isaiah 7 nd 40 also read Micah 5..
Any Virgin could have concieved Jesus Christ, just that she was favoured(go nd find the meaning of favour nd blessed nd tell me how that translates to being an intercesor or mediator to the SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD)!!!...that said..Mary has no power or authority to act as a mediator or intercesor.....
Oga gud nite....

Bible tells us Who it is that does the intercession in Heaven
Hebrews 7:25
... He ever lives to make intercession for them (those who come to God by Him)


1 John 2:1 says
...We have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ... (not Mary)

It's not possible to have mary doing what Jesus is clearly portrayed as doing He (not Mary) being our High Priest

That's why we have the Holy Spirit as an intercessor

And as regards to your queen mother argument, many of my catholic friends have towed this same line of reasoning, saying that Mary is a sort of link to God but remember Jesus says that the ONLY way to the Father is through HIM. No other way. So that argument is invalid!

angieberry:
That's why we have the Holy Spirit as an intercessor

And as regards to your queen mother argument, many of my catholic friends have towed this same line of reasoning, saying that Mary is a sort of link to God but remember Jesus says that the ONLY way to the Father is through HIM. No other way. So that argument is invalid!

Jesus is the only way, yet you pray for your loved ones. Can they not go to him directly instead of going through you?

Think!

Scholar8200:
Bible tells us Who it is that does the intercession in Heaven
Hebrews 7:25
... He ever lives to make intercession for them (those who come to God by Him)


1 John 2:1 says
...We have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ... (not Mary)

It's not possible to have mary doing what Jesus is clearly portrayed as doing He (not Mary) being our High Priest

So when you pray for your loved ones, you taking Jesus' place?

angieberry:
That's why we have the Holy Spirit as an intercessor

And as regards to your queen mother argument, many of my catholic friends have towed this same line of reasoning, saying that Mary is a sort of link to God but remember Jesus says that the ONLY way to the Father is through HIM. No other way. So that argument is invalid!

hehehe,

when the bible say we are "in Christ" what do you understabd by that?

I don't understand your question or the point you're driving at. Pls what verse exactly are you talking about?

Ubenedictus:



hehehe,

when the bible say we are "in Christ" what do you understabd by that?

Scholar8200:
Bible tells us Who it is that does the intercession in Heaven
Hebrews 7:25
... He ever lives to make intercession for them (those who come to God by Him)


1 John 2:1 says
...We have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ... (not Mary)

It's not possible to have mary doing what Jesus is clearly portrayed as doing He (not Mary) being our High Priest

angieberry:
That's why we have the Holy Spirit as an intercessor

And as regards to your queen mother argument, many of my catholic friends have towed this same line of reasoning, saying that Mary is a sort of link to God but remember Jesus says that the ONLY way to the Father is through HIM. No other way. So that argument is invalid!

Yes, I pray to God in me, that is I pray to Father through Jesus Spirit.

italo:


So when you pray for your loved ones, you taking Jesus' place?

Our focus on this thread is intercession done in Heaven. Jesus Christ Is Our High Priest Before The Father and our access to the Father is by Him and Him alone!

Ephesians 2:18
for through him (Jesus Christ) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Scholar8200:
Our focus on this thread is intercession done in Heaven. Jesus Christ Is Our High Priest Before The Father and our access to the Father is by Him and Him alone!

Ephesians 2:18
for through him (Jesus Christ) we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

When we ask Mary's intercession, our access is still Jesus Christ.

We are not asking her to bypass Jesus Christ. We are asking her to beseech Jesus Christ to grant us access to the Father...

just like you ask your Jesus to grant your loved ones access to the Father. You're not bypassing Jesus for them.

If you, who are filthy, can do so, why can't Jesus' mother do so for her loved ones?

italo:


When we ask Mary's intercession, our access is still Jesus Christ.

But why ask somebody to intercede to the Intercessor?!It's like saying we need a priest to plead with the High Priest to do the work for which He was ordained!!!!
Hebrews 4:14-16

14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The High Priest ordained by God is sufficient, we need not add to the Word. Do you hire two lawyers/advocates when going to court?! One to beg the other to do the work for which he was engaged by you? Does this not sound absurd?!

We are not asking her to bypass Jesus Christ. We are asking her to beseech Jesus Christ to grant us access to the Father...

Beseech Jesus Christ? Did He change after His ascension? Did He not say:

John 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 16:23,24,27

23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
27 for the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God

Besides, the quote above in Hebrews tells us to come boldly to our Father's Throne! We are not hapless/ helpless subjects but sons (for those who are saved) and joint-heirs with Christ!

If you, who are filthy, can do so, why can't Jesus' mother do so for her loved ones?

The only person who was remotely called mother of the women that believe was Sarah (1 Peter 3:6) Besides, we dont find the apostles enlisting the intercession of any of the cloud of witnesses:
Acts12:5
5 Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.

The omnipresent Father,
The omnipresent Son,
The omnipresent Holy Spirit.

There are over 1 billion Catholics on the planet. 1/24th of them may be praying at every single hour of the day every day. The omnipresent trinity can hear and attend all petitions at every time. The Spirit is with every Christian at every time. The Son lives in the heart of every Christian at every time.

I wonder. Is Mary omnipresent too? It's the only arguement I haven't gotten a rebutal to.

Jusmudi:
Catholics do not pray "to" Mary as an equal to God. They pray "through" Mary as an intercessor who prays to God on behalf of mankind.
If Catholics were to pray to Mary, this would imply that they are worshipping her as a god. But Catholics do not perceive Mary as a god. (i) They honour the Blessed Virgin Mary. (ii) The view Mary as the holiest of all the Saints. (iii) The accept the fact that Mary is the most successful Saint at obtaining Divine favours through her intercession. the above mentioned belief is partially based on the fact that Jesus is the King of kings and Mary, as the mother of the King, is the "queen mother." Then, when studying Jewish history, it is discovered that the institution of the "queen mother" was established during the reign of King Solomon.
In the Old Testament, we learn of the favoured position of the queen mother through the following words, "... then the king sat on his throne, and had a throne brought for the king's mother, and she sat on his right. Then she said, 'I have one small request to make of you, do not refuse me.' And the king said to her, 'Make your request, my mother, for I will not refuse you.'" [1 Kgs. 2:19-20]
Following the reign of King Solomon, many of the kings kept this practice. The mother of the king, through who the king received his throne, was trusted as a confident and advisor. So important was the function of the queen mothers in the days of the Old Testament that their names were listed in the succession records of the kings of Judah. [See 1 Kgs 14:21, 15:13; 2 Kgs. 12:1, 14:2, 15:2, etc...]
Similar to the intercession of the Queen Mother, when a child desires a favour and cannot obtain it from his/her parents, frequently the child will make the request to the grandparent to intercede on his/her behalf, therefore obtaining the favour that was being sought. This does not mean that the child is seeking the parental favour from the grandparent. Rather, the child is seeking the intercession of the grandparents before the parents.
Furthermore, Catholics do not differentiate between the living (in this world) and the dead (those who departed) members of the Body of Christ (the fullness of the Church.) The fullness of the mystical Body of Christ is found in the union of all the saints, past and present, here below and those above in Heaven.
In view of the aforementioned, it cannot be denied that those who were called to Heaven, including Mary, are still alive in spirit in the Kingdom of God that coexists with our world. As some non-Catholics pray through their deceased parents, grandparents or other biological relatives, asking these beloved departed persons to intercede before God on their behalf, Catholics pray through Mary to Jesus, taking advantage of her blessed position as the Mother of God.
This Catholic action affirms the prophetic and Divinely inspired passage that is found in the Holy Bible where it states, "Surely, from now on all generations will call me blessed." [Lk. 1:47] All generations could not call Mary blessed if she was not actively involved in the progressive Divine Plan that continues to develop before our eyes.
Indeed, all generations have called the Blessed Virgin Mary blessed, including this one, because she has never stopped interceding on behalf of the world, her intercession obtaining endless miraculous cures and other favours. The role of Mary in the area of obtaining physical miraculous cures is well known and documented in Lourdes, France, this being only one of the many holy places where the grace of God has been manifested through the Virgin Mary at apparition sites.
Rev;5:8(the prayer of the saints)
Rev 8:3-4(the prayer of Angels)
Matt18:10(Angels praying for little children )
Even at the wedding feast of cana
I Bliv some catholics in the houz can help me with some point. Tanks

It is unfortunate the writer is still making claims in justifying something you just grew up to meet.
I believe you become catholic by birth and I also believe you have never for one day cross check your believe system with the Holy Scripture to decide what to believe.
I wish you can defend Christ who died for you instead of Denominational catholic and her children. Mary did not die for you but Christ did,He is the bridge between God and Man,Living and Dead,The Only Way,Truth and our salvation.

Continues.....

Continues...

If I bring you back to catholic prayers to Mary you will understand you are rubbing Paul and paying Peter.
Eg.
We fly to your patronage,
O holy Mother of God;
despise not our petitions in our necessities,
but deliver us always from all dangers,
O glorious and blessed Virgin.

Were you asking her to intercede for you or are you praying to her?

My dear, anybody can form any prayer or say anything whether Good or bad as long as it has Mary in it everybody will accept it, that is the problem.
Catholics(Universal body of Christ) do not pray such prayers nor make such claims it is only Romans do.
Please can we promote Christ my dear and defend less on smart human reasoning?

If Mary mother of Christ were to be alive today she will not be happy with your write-up because she gave all the glory to God through Christ and she pointed everybody to Christ even at Cana in Galilee.

Can you point others to Christ the way Mary did?

Judge everything you hear about Mary ; apparitions,sermons,teaching etc with Bible and if you see any contradiction please ignore it otherwise it will lead astray.

We dont judge Gods approval because of miracles or anointing or signs and wonders.

Thanks

luckyCO:


It is unfortunate the writer is still making claims in justifying something you just grew up to meet.
I believe you become catholic by birth and I also believe you have never for one day cross check your believe system with the Holy Scripture to decide what to believe.
I wish you can defend Christ who died for you instead of Denominational catholic and her children. Mary did not die for you but Christ did,He is the bridge between God and Man,Living and Dead,The Only Way,Truth and our salvation.

Continues.....

Bros Mary played a key role in Jesus ministry, especially her profound humility, her perfect obedience, her angelical sweetness, her continual prayer, her universal mortification, her altogether spotless purity, her heroic patience, her heavenly wisdom, her self sacrificing courageous love of God nd above all her faith, that virtue which has in her alone been found in its utmost extent nd never equalled. Bros No one in this world can ever play the role dat woman played. She deserve an honour 4rm u

luckyCO:
Continues...

If I bring you back to catholic prayers to Mary you will understand you are rubbing Paul and paying Peter.
Eg.
We fly to your patronage,
O holy Mother of God;
despise not our petitions in our necessities,
but deliver us always from all dangers,
O glorious and blessed Virgin.

Were you asking her to intercede for you or are you praying to her?

My dear, anybody can form any prayer or say anything whether Good or bad as long as it has Mary in it everybody will accept it, that is the problem.
Catholics(Universal body of Christ) do not pray such prayers nor make such claims it is only Romans do.
Please can we promote Christ my dear and defend less on smart human reasoning?

If Mary mother of Christ were to be alive today she will not be happy with your write-up because she gave all the glory to God through Christ and she pointed everybody to Christ even at Cana in Galilee.

Can you point others to Christ the way Mary did?

Judge everything you hear about Mary ; apparitions,sermons,teaching etc with Bible and if you see any contradiction please ignore it otherwise it will lead astray.

We dont judge Gods approval because of miracles or anointing or signs and wonders.

Thanks

Wat is the meaning of "intercede"

LewsTherin:
The omnipresent Father,
The omnipresent Son,
The omnipresent Holy Spirit.

There are over 1 billion Catholics on the planet. 1/24th of them may be praying at every single hour of the day every day. The omnipresent trinity can hear and attend all petitions at every time. The Spirit is with every Christian at every time. The Son lives in the heart of every Christian at every time.

I wonder. Is Mary omnipresent too? It's the only arguement I haven't gotten a rebutal to.

When pastors perform miracles does it mean Dey ar omnipresent? Or wen u respect the wife of ur pastors nd call dem mummy does it mean u are respecting dem more dan dia husband d pastor? If we can learn 2 respect d wife of a pastor, Hw much respect can u giv 2 d mother of ur creator

Scholar8200:
But why ask somebody to intercede to the Intercessor?!It's like saying we need a priest to plead with the High Priest to do the work for which He was ordained!!!!
Hebrews 4:14-16

14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The High Priest ordained by God is sufficient, we need not add to the Word. Do you hire two lawyers/advocates when going to court?! One to beg the other to do the work for which he was engaged by you? Does this not sound absurd?!


Beseech Jesus Christ? Did He change after His ascension? Did He not say:

John 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 16:23,24,27

23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
27 for the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God

Besides, the quote above in Hebrews tells us to come boldly to our Father's Throne! We are not hapless/ helpless subjects but sons (for those who are saved) and joint-heirs with Christ!

The only person who was remotely called mother of the women that believe was Sarah (1 Peter 3:6) Besides, we dont find the apostles enlisting the intercession of any of the cloud of witnesses:
Acts12:5
5 Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.

Bros y do u pray at all knowing fully well dt ur father in heaven knows all ur need?
We dn't need any 1 to intercede 4 us bt why call on mary at d wedding feast of cana wen d wine got finished?
Why did Jesus on the cross ask d mother 2 be the mother of all(Apostles?

Jusmudi:

Bros Mary played a key role in Jesus ministry, especially her profound humility, her perfect obedience, her angelical sweetness, her continual prayer, her universal mortification, her altogether spotless purity, her heroic patience, her heavenly wisdom, her self sacrificing courageous love of God nd above all her faith, that virtue which has in her alone been found in its utmost extent nd never equalled. Bros No one in this world can ever play the role dat woman played. She deserve an honour 4rm u

Am happy that you find it humbly enough to respond my comment.
There is contradictions here, you think am insulting/underrating Mary mother of Christ, never! never!! never!!!
Am a Catholic just as you are until am quickened the real meaning of Salvation and I praise God. Nobody is greater than the other,God saw all has fallen away from his grace and He come in His Son born of a woman to redeem us back to Himself. Today we can say Abba Father!
Those who receive 30%,60% 100% grace worked with their ability according to grace given but to the glory of God the Father.

Mary was overshadowed and She conceived[b](no reward)[/b] also was there at upper room to receive Holy Ghost[b](grace for reward-hope of glory)[/b]. All the qualities you attributed to Mary was given to her by God, what will you gain by asserting so much effort studying/praising/venerating the gift instead of the giver.

We all are waiting for the white throne judgement where all of us who did good will come out and be rewarded for all the things we did while on earth including Mary mother of Jesus.

Remember God's aim on the earth is for all to be under Christ and Christ under God who place everything under Him!

The problem is we reason God just as if He is a man, that is why we say Mary of mother of God etc.

God bless you.

Scholar8200:
But why ask somebody to intercede to the Intercessor?!It's like saying we need a priest to plead with the High Priest to do the work for which He was ordained!!!!
Hebrews 4:14-16

14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The High Priest ordained by God is sufficient, we need not add to the Word. Do you hire two lawyers/advocates when going to court?! One to beg the other to do the work for which he was engaged by you? Does this not sound absurd?!

Beseech Jesus Christ? Did He change after His ascension? Did He not say:

John 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 16:23,24,27

23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
27 for the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God

Besides, the quote above in Hebrews tells us to come boldly to our Father's Throne! We are not hapless/ helpless subjects but sons (for those who are saved) and joint-heirs with Christ!

You should be asking yourself that question. Why are you interceding to the intercessor for your loved ones when you pray for them? Why are you being a priest pleading with the high priest for them? Why are you acting as another advocate for them? Is it absurd or not?

Scholar8200:

The only person who was remotely called mother of the women that believe was Sarah (1 Peter 3:6) Besides, we dont find the apostles enlisting the intercession of any of the cloud of witnesses:
Acts12:5
5 Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.

I asked that if you can pray for your loved ones, why can't Jesus' mother pray for her loved ones.

You couldn't answer.

luckyCO:


Am happy that you find it humbly enough to respond my comment.
There is contradictions here, you think am insulting/underrating Mary mother of Christ, never! never!! never!!!
Am a Catholic just as you are until am quickened the real meaning of Salvation and I praise God. Nobody is greater than the other,God saw all has fallen away from his grace and He come in His Son born of a woman to redeem us back to Himself. Today we can say Abba Father!
Those who receive 30%,60% 100% grace worked with their ability according to grace given but to the glory of God the Father.

Mary was overshadowed and She conceived[b](no reward)[/b] also was there at upper room to receive Holy Ghost[b](grace for reward-hope of glory)[/b]. All the qualities you attributed to Mary was given to her by God, what will you gain by asserting so much effort studying/praising/venerating the gift instead of the giver.

We all are waiting for the white throne judgement where all of us who did good will come out and be rewarded for all the things we did while on earth including Mary mother of Jesus.

Remember God's aim on the earth is for all to be under Christ and Christ under God who place everything under Him!

The problem is we reason God just as if He is a man, that is why we say Mary of mother of God etc.

God bless you.

My formal catholic broda, you are correct we are all under our master Jesus christ and we are waiting for judgement including Mary, then why ll Christ give us illustration about Abraham and the Rich man? That is to tel u Abraham has a role he is playing in the Kingdom of God, that is why Jesus Christ even promised his disciples dat Dey will be with Him 2 judge the twelve tribe of israel