Mogidi:


Lets not go there mate.
If Opobo is pumping 200,000bpd of crude oil, should the village where the oil is located enjoy it alone or should the whole Opobo reap the benefits?

Not just the village, the argument will end at the family level.the family who owns the land will demand their land, their oil.

The true federalism or fiscal federalism or whatever its called will be argued nonstop.agitations and court cases and judgements will abound because the Nigerian sectionalism has eaten so deep..The local govt chairman may become the juiciest elected position...You see local councils splitting along clannish lines.That is when you will know that in Opobo, the Nkoro man (maybe because he produces the bulk of the oil in Opobo) wil say his clan should be a separate Lg and agitate for that..The Ogu man in Ogu/Bolo same thing, the Akporman in Obio/Akpor LGA.

The endpoint will be the family within the locality where the mineral resource comes from..they will want control of resource wirhin their land..That is true federalism to me.

atlwireles:


Resource control is not about transferring powers to the governors, but to the locality. Yes the state's governor will gain more resources, but I submit to you, accountability will be better too. [size=13pt]Is more easier to raise hell with the powers in Asaba than the man in Abuja[/size].

GBAM!!
This is what democracy is about, not the faceless officials at Abuja.

Candyrain:


Laws and policies can curb it. Holding the governors accountable. The immunity clause in the constitution for political officer holders as well have it presently is killing the Nigeria. I want to believe you know what the immunity clause means. If this can be removed and the governors know they can dealt with immediately while still in office for misconduct and any form of corruption then I'm certain they'll sit up.

imagine a state governor that the state police answers to? Removing immunity will not curb corruption but it ll go a long way to be a check on their recklessness

HopeAtHand:


Not just the village, the argument will end at the family level.the family who owns the land will demand their land, their oil.

The true federalism or fiscal federalism or whatever its called will be argued nonstop.agitations and court cases and judgements will abound because the Nigerian sectionalism has eaten so deep..The local govt chairman may become the juiciest elected position...You see local councils splitting along clannish lines.That is when you will know that in Opobo, the Nkoro man (maybe because he produces the bulk of the oil in Opobo) wil say his clan should be a separate Lg and agitate for that..The Ogu man in Ogu/Bolo same thing, the Akporman in Obio/Akpor LGA.

The endpoint will be the family within the locality where the mineral resource comes from..they will want control of resource wirhin their land..It will be a huge misuse when opportunity is given to Nigerians.

Give it to the states and the scenario you painted above won't occur.

ECOTERRORS:
the best solution is for us to have resource control but there will still be a strong Centre and less power to the component unit

You have to define what you mean by strong centre.

Mogidi:


Give it to the states and the scenario you painted above won't occur.

What is the relationship berween say an Emohua man and a Khana man..language? Culture?..if can't understand and relate to me what is the difference between me and a fulani to him?

Why should an Ogoni share resources from his oil with Ikwerre or Ahoada or Ndoni man..did he tell me he doesn't know what to do with resources?

As far as local govt is in place, they should control their resources from their locality..they suffer the brunt of mining and exploration of their resources, so they should enjoy it alone.

And if theres an argument in the locality, the family having right over the land should take the highest and pay percantage to the local govt...it doesn't get truer than this.

Mogidi:


At the emboldened, who would determine the percentage paid to federal govt?

The constitution will state the percentage all the federating units will pay to the centre govt for it's running.

HopeAtHand:


What is the relationship berween say an Emohua man and a Khana man..language? Culture?..if can't understand and relate to me what is the difference between me and a fulani to him?

Why should an Ogoni share resources from his oil with Ikwerre or Ahoada or Ndoni man..did he tell me he doesn't know what to do with resources?

As far as local govt is in place, they should control their resources from their locality..they suffer the brunt of mining and exploration of their resources, so they should enjoy it alone.

And if theres an argument in the locality, the family having right over the land should take the highest and pay percantage to the local govt...it doesn't get truer than this.

You're arguing from the stand point of an anarchist.
You paint other lga as aliens, your perspective is shallow, look at the bigger picture. Are you happy now that the bulk of your resources ends up in the north?

Mogidi:


The Igbos that got deported contravened what specific rule apart from being born Igbo?

Mogidi, I do not want ur trouble this night. My apologies to the Igbos for my careless post.

What I would truly love for us to do is come up with suggestions to increase the general productivity of Nigeria. We would not be having any conversation on true federalism if there was no mass poverty in the land.
So how do we reduce the poverty in Nigeria. How do we move from primary industries to value added manufacturing?

Is it not a shame that after 40 years of oil exploration, we still have to give 40 percent of our revenue from crude oil with multinationals because we lack the technical know how. Nigerians are smart people. What is wrong with us?

Take cocoa for example, Europeans cannot live without chocolate. Can't we form a cartel with other cocoa producing countries and force companies that produce chocolate to open factories in our countries?

I see no strength in a divided Nigeria. We are blessed beyond our understanding but for the failure of our leaders.

When I hear talk of resource control and true federalism, all that comes to my mind is greedy Niger Deltans who ignorantly do not know what the true cause of their problems are.

Today, I have realised that fiscal federalism can be used to change our current system with a hope of increasing accountability of our leaders. This is a good reason. Will it work? No one knows.

CyberWolf:
this thread was just moving fine until you started playing the ethnic card..Why did you start calling Igbos? Is Igbos that created the 12 states? Is it Igbos that increased it to 19? If I insult you, it will look as if I'm a bad person ...Anyway continue with your lies

So are you're infering that Major Chukwuma K. Nzeogwu didn't scuttle true federalism or he isnt Igbo..or what?

Are you also saying Aguiyi-Ironsi did not make a decree uniting all regions under him as a precursor to Unitary system or he isnt Igbo..What is the problem mister??

Or are you saying Irinsi passed when in earnest he failed woefully when he refused to deal with Nzeogwu and conduct fresh elections and return Nigeria back to regional system of govt?


What!!!!!!

Candyrain:

The constitution will state the percentage all the federating units will pay to the centre govt for it's running.

And those in charge of drafting that relevant part of the constitution would all be northerners. Don't for one second think the north would give up the largesse it enjoys as members of our commonwealth.

trillville:


Mogidi, I do not want ur trouble this night. My apologies to the Igbos for my careless post.

What I would truly love for us to do is come up with suggestions to increase the general productivity of Nigeria. We would not be having any conversation on true federalism if there was no mass poverty in the land.
So how do we reduce the poverty in Nigeria. How do we move from primary industries to value added manufacturing?

Is it not a shame that after 40 years of oil exploration, we still have to give 40 percent of our revenue from crude oil with multinationals because we lack the technical know how. Nigerians are smart people. What is wrong with us?

Take cocoa for example, Europeans cannot live without chocolate. Can't we form a cartel with other cocoa producing countries and force companies that produce chocolate to open factories in our countries?

I see no strength in a divided Nigeria. We are blessed beyond our understanding but for the failure of our leaders.

When I hear talk of resource control and true federalism, all that comes to my mind is greedy Niger Deltans who ignorantly do not know what the true cause of their problems are.

Today, I have realised that fiscal federalism can be used to change our current system with a hope of increasing accountability of our leaders. This is a good reason. Will it work? No one knows.

You had a lot of interesting points.

HopeAtHand:


So are you're infering that Major Chukwuma K. Nzeogwu didn't scuttle true federalism or he isnt Igbo..or what?

Are you also saying Aguiyi-Ironsi did not make a decree uniting all regions under him as a precursor to Unitary system or he isnt Igbo..What is the problem mister??

Or are you saying Irinsi passed when in earnest he failed woefully when he refused to deal with Nzeogwu and conduct fresh elections and return Nigeria back to regional system of govt?


What!!!!!!

bla bla bla...The question is, are we practicing regionalism before gowon created 12 states or not?

ECOTERRORS:
imagine a state governor that the state police answers to? Removing immunity will not curb corruption but it ll go a long way to be a check on their recklessness

Don't forget that just as the component units will have state police, the centre govt will have federal police. That a state governor has the power to run his state doesn't mean he's not answerable to the federal govt.
Let's take New York for instance. They have New York Police Department (NYPD) to maintain law and order in the state. If there's a case beyond the state police or the governor misbehaves, the FBI (federal police) steps in. Removing the immunity clause means they can be charged to court even as a sitting governor if they are found wanting.

HopeAtHand:


Not just the village, the argument will end at the family level.the family who owns the land will demand their land, their oil.

The true federalism or fiscal federalism or whatever its called will be argued nonstop.agitations and court cases and judgements will abound because the Nigerian sectionalism has eaten so deep..The local govt chairman may become the juiciest elected position...You see local councils splitting along clannish lines.That is when you will know that in Opobo, the Nkoro man (maybe because he produces the bulk of the oil in Opobo) wil say his clan should be a separate Lg and agitate for that..The Ogu man in Ogu/Bolo same thing, the Akporman in Obio/Akpor LGA.

The endpoint will be the family within the locality where the mineral resource comes from..they will want control of resource wirhin their land..That is true federalism to me.

My guy, You are hitting the nail on the head. This is the main issue the ND will have to contend with. Where do we draw the line on ownership. If a community owns the oil, shouldn't the state in which the community lies also own the oil? If the state owns the oil, why shouldn't the whole country own the oil.

This talk of true federalism is just to confuse and divide us. Did gej care about true federalism? all the rich think about is how to distract us as the fleece us dry.

Mogidi:


You're arguing from the stand point of an anarchist.
You paint other lga as aliens, your perspective is shallow, look at the bigger picture. Are you happy now that the bulk of your resources ends up in the north?

If other regions arent alien, give Ogonis the opportunity to leave Nigeria and see if they will invite the Okrika man to join them though they've been neighbours for centuries

Truth be told, the tribalism and sectionalism has gotten deep into the marrow of Nigeria..most tribes/erhnic groups believe that that their destiny isnt attached to another tribe and they will happily go it alone...

Im asking you if not for geographic boundaries thay puts some of us in same state what do we have in common both in language and culture.

Am not 'happy my resources end up in the North', am also not happy it is shared in some part of the south..but i will be most satisfied if i held onto all of it..what is mine is for me alone.

trillville:


My guy, You are hitting the nail on the head. This is the main issue the ND will have to contend with. Where do we draw the line on ownership. If a community owns the oil, shouldn't the state in which the community lies also own the oil? [size=13pt]If the state owns the oil, why shouldn't the whole country own the oil.
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This talk of true federalism is just to confuse and divide us. Did gej care about true federalism? all the rich think about is how to distract us as the fleece us dry.

Bros you're either Yoruba or Hausa

HopeAtHand:


If other regions arent alien, give Ogonis the opportunity to leave Nigeria and see if they will invite the Okrika man to join them though they've been neighbours for centuries

Truth be told, the tribalism and sectionalism has gotten deep into the marrow of Nigeria..most tribes/erhnic groups believe that that their destiny isnt attached to another tribe and they will happily go it alone...

Im asking you if not for geographic boundaries thay puts some of us in same state what do we have in common both in language and culture.

Am not 'happy my resources end up in the North', am also not happy it is shared in some part of the south..but i will be most satisfied if i held onto all of it..what is mine is for me alone.

You're not a pragmatist, the idea that only your tribe would enjoy it is shallow. This is why northerners own most of your oil wells, not looking at the bigger picture is what has kept you and your kindred in the poor state you are now.
As long as you lot fight each other, the north is bound to rule over you and dictate your destiny.

trillville:


My guy, You are hitting the nail on the head. This is the main issue the ND will have to contend with. Where do we draw the line on ownership. If a community owns the oil, shouldn't the state in which the community lies also own the oil? If the state owns the oil, why shouldn't the whole country own the oil.

This talk of true federalism is just to confuse and divide us. Did gej care about true federalism? all the rich think about is how to distract us as the fleece us dry.

Why is fiscal federalism linked only to crude oil in your mind? States don't own the resources, people, clan and villages do. The whole of Nigeria does not share the disaster left behind after exploration, or you want to invent a process where we send you 87% of the environmental nightmare, the clans and villages have to live with after oil is extracted.

@Triville i like your probing questions and you made many valid points........................disregard some of the sly "enter the tribal" comments

but i go all the way with @Barcanista suggestions

but added to he's suggestion would be to culture the approach of the chinese and take the realities of our individual politicians into account and build institutions that have direct oversight on how the state's 25% , the producing community's 25% and FG's 50% is spent.

Also, i keep wondering like you in another direction, why are the agitator of Biafra not dogged on the getting the govt to amend the constitution to include referendum in it- i believe if this is achieved it would be an educated attempt to put Nigeria on the right part......

cc: Triville; Barcanista Dearpreye enjoyed una dooged way at not letting the thread derail

Wow! were have I been these while. Good one Dear Preye.

Mogidi:


You're not a pragmatist, the idea that only your tribe would enjoy it is shallow. This is why northerners own most of your oil wells, not looking at the bigger picture is what has kept you and your kindred in the poor state you are now.
As long as you lot fight each other, the north is bound to rule over you and dictate your destiny.

What have you learnt from this OP? think outside the box ,.God bless NL, as the bible says, by their fruits we shall know them. When a person thinks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, they cannot be called a goat. Mogidi don't waste your time with him.

Mogidi:


You're not a pragmatist, the idea that only your tribe would enjoy it is shallow. This is why northerners own most of your oil wells, not looking at the bigger picture is what has kept you and your kindred in the poor state you are now.
As long as you lot fight each other, the north is bound to rule over you and dictate your destiny.

Oil politics 101 for you..Who is delaying the cleanup of Ogoniland after the UNEP report adviced same, the Ijaws in Ogu bolo LGA.

Why did the Ikwerre people of Nkpolu-Oroworukwo disagre that RSUST should not be moved to another Ikwerre town of Igwuruta...this is what it is...u cant blame me for spotting it out, i did not invent sectionism

When we are ready for fiscal federalism, you will know..we will start showing ourselves love by not embezzling funds and standing in the way of progress of neighbouring tribes/ethnicities.

HopeAtHand:


If other regions arent alien, give Ogonis the opportunity to leave Nigeria and see if they will invite the Okrika man to join them though they've been neighbours for centuries

Truth be told, the tribalism and sectionalism has gotten deep into the marrow of Nigeria..most tribes/erhnic groups believe that that their destiny isnt attached to another tribe and they will happily go it alone...

Im asking you if not for geographic boundaries thay puts some of us in same state what do we have in common both in language and culture.

Am not 'happy my resources end up in the North', am also not happy it is shared in some part of the south..but i will be most satisfied if i held onto all of it..what is mine is for me alone.

The Ogoni man and the Okrika man have a whole lot in common regardless of the Oil. The same goes for other minorities in the ND by virtue of similar culture, religion, political affiliation and regional consciousness which began centuries ago. So please limit your shallowness when out to make your sentimental points.

Mogidi:




Bros you're either Yoruba or Hausa

I am neither. I am from the middle belt.

HopeAtHand:


Oil politics 101 for you..Who is delaying the cleanup of Ogoniland after the UNEP report adviced same, the Ijaws in Ogu bolo LGA.

Why did the Ikwerre people of Nkpolu-Oroworukwo disagre that RSUST should not be moved to another Ikwerre town of Igwuruta..lolz, this is what it is...u cant blame me for apotting it out, i did not invent anything.

When we are ready for fiscal federalism, you will know..we will start showing ourselves love by not embezzling funds and standing in the way of progress of neighbouring tribes/ethnicities.

Your arguments are baseless. In immediate families there are evidence of brothers going against brothers just to have their individual interests protected. That doesn't make them enemies. The same dilemma is witnessed everywhere around the globe.

atlwireles:


What have you learnt from this OP? think outside the box ,.God bless NL, as the bible says, by their fruits we shall know them. When a person thinks like a duck, quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, they cannot be called a goat. Mogidi don't waste your time with him.

The best picture to paint is 'picture perfect'.

When you refused to say things as they are you only deceive yourself..if we do not sort our seemingly little but deep differences, we are only misleading ourselves.

In Delta, Itsekiri and Ijaw of Gbaramatu decided not launch billion dollar EPZ because of inter-tribal wranglings.

In Rivers, Bolo people said no UNEP cleaning until they are duly recognised.

We are united in dislike for the North, if the North is off our neck, how do we get along..it will definitely be more difficult than you're painting it.

We need to get our acts right and have an understanding, a workable model that we are used to first before we make demands.

atlwireles:



Why is fiscal federalism linked only to crude oil in your mind? States don't own the resources, people, clan and villages do. The whole of Nigeria does not share the disaster left behind after exploration, or you want to invent a process where we send you 87% of the environmental nightmare, the clans and villages have to live with after oil is extracted.

Where do I start from? If Nigeria as a country did not have crude oil as its biggest revenue earner, I will be focusing on whatever resource was our biggest revenue earner.

Have you ever heard of a SWOT analysis. Strength, Weakness, Opportunities, Threats. If you conduct a swot analysis of Nigeria oil will represent the fastest vehicle Nigeria as a country can use to move from poverty to industrialisation.


Consider the fact that we are not refining crude today. Do you know how much money Nigeria is losing as a country by just simply selling unrefined crude?

Consider the fact that Nigeria as a country depends on multinationals to mine our crude and hence we pay them 40 percent of revenues from crude leaving the rest of us fighting amongst ourselves on the remaining 60 percent. Don't you feel we are being silly as a country? Even this resource control that you are talking about, you should be facing the multinationals and asking them for a larger percentage rather than facing your fellow impoverished Nigerian.

I would like the ND region to be like dubai, I would like people in the region to be rich and well to do. I just do not agree that true federalism is the outright solution to the problems of the region.

Now you may ask, what is my business with the Niger delta's oil resources, well I am a pragmatist so I know a lot of terrible things may occur as a result of your people's push for resource control. If resource control will make the whole country a better place, then I am all for it.

Eastlink:
The Ogoni man and the Okrika man have a whole lot in common regardless of the Oil. The same goes for other minorities in the ND by virtue of similar culture, religion, political affiliation and regional consciousness which began centuries ago. So please limit your shallowness when out to make your sentimental points.

If you're not from Rivers, dnt start Ogoni vs Okrika issue..What do u mean by whole lot in common? Which similar culture and religion..

Regional consciousness.. yea...and thats about it..more like we struggle to get something and then we split it.

trillville:


I am Nigerian and my region is the whole country. Do you know how oil got deposited in the Niger delta region? Do you know how oil is even created? What makes you claim that the crude oil solely belongs to Niger Deltans? Don't you think you are also a parasite just trying to rip where you did not sow after all you did absolutely nothing to put oil in the ground.

The problem dull people like you have is that you fail to understand what your own problem is. Your problem is the level of poverty in the Niger delta and Nigeria as a whole. The discussion on this thread is based on how do we solve that problem and not necessarily true federalism per se. I hope I have clarified things a bit for you.

You are a parasite, an obligative one for that matter. NDelta oil does not belong to the whole Nigeria, it belongs to Niger deltans only, they should only pay loyalty to the FG. It's only your innate parasitism that has blinded you to that fact. My state has no crude oil deposits, but unlike you, I am not blinded by parasitism, I am an Igbo man.

Niger deltans can't be parasites for reaping the proceeds of their land, as they are the ones who also get to reap the seeds of environmental pollution from crude oil.

The rest of Nigeria must leave Niger delta oil wealth for the Niger deltans and look for how to create their own wealth, either through discovery and development of their own mineral resources, agricultural development or human resources development. That's the only way the Nigerian economy will be diversified.

And lest I forget. Your region is not the whole of Nigeria, Nigeria is not a nation, I am sure you know your region.

HopeAtHand:


The best picture to paint is 'picture perfect'.

When you refused to say things as they are you only deceive yourself..if we do not sort our seemingly little but deep differences, we are only misleading ourselves.

In Delta, Itsekiri and Ijaw of Gbaramatu decided not launch billion dollar EPZ because of inter-tribal wranglings.

In Rivers, Bolo people said no UNEP cleaning until they are duly recognised.

We are united in dislike for the North, if the North is off our neck, how do we get along..it will definitely be more difficult than you're painting it.

We need to get our acts right and have an understanding, a workable model that we are used to first before we make demands.

This Yoruba man sef. The entire Niger delta region had a dynamic and relative understanding of each other before Nigeria, they have more things uniting them than that divides them. But true to your type, you focus more on the things that divide them, your are losing your touch, you are not doing your Ikwerre cover any favour here.

pazienza:


You are a parasite, an obligative one for that matter. NDelta oil does not belong to the whole Nigeria, it belongs to Niger deltans only, they should only pay loyalty to the FG. It's only your innate parasitism that has blinded you to that fact. My state has no crude oil deposits, but unlike you, I am not blinded by parasitism, I am an Igbo man.

Niger deltans can't be parasites for reaping the proceeds of their land, as they are the ones who also get to reap the seeds of environmental pollution from crude oil.

The rest of Nigeria must leave Niger delta oil wealth for the Niger deltans and look for how to create their own wealth, either through discovery and development of their own mineral resources, agricultural development or human resources development. That's the only way the Nigerian economy will be diversified.

You are completely irredeemable.