^^^

The figures on the right side were goals Rooney scored in the matches. He was enjoying himself in the hole and he was asked to go play where he would help defence. Haba!

elampiro:


I disputing this. What I meant is that the games were too rapid. Came too quickly within a short time. I am sure he only played in the hole before that period.

the games were not rapid. we played madrid on the 5th of march @OT! rooney was a sub & asking to him play in the midfield in a 10-man team shouldn't be a big ask.

we didn't play any game after madrid until the 16th of march when we beat reading. rooney played in the hole & scored the only goal in the game.

there was another 2 weeks break & we didn't play any game until the 30th of march when we played sunderland @the stadium of light. rooney didn't even make the travelling squad for that game.

after that game, we faced city 8 days later on a monday night at OT! rooney played in the hole and we lost the game via ryan giggs error. i hope you are following the event bit by bit.

after the city loss which was disappointing, we faced stoke away from home. rooney started in the midfield in this game alongside carrick. the first time he would play there in the entire period you quoted.

after the stoke game, we played west ham @upton park. kagawa was on the left & rooney was in the hole. game ended 2-2 with kagawa supplying an assist from a wide area.

the next game was against aston villa....the day we won the league. rooney played in the midfield yet again with kagawa taking the hole position & giggs operating from the left.
__________

in a nutshell, rooney was played out of position only twice in that long period. if that was his reason to throw temper tantrums then he deserved to have been sold.

van persie played out of position against stoke too to make way for hernandez, why didn't he cry to the media that he wanted out?

elampiro:
Coogar Rooney was in midfield against West Ham. Not in the hole.

are you sure about this?



that is kagawa supplying an assist from the left channel for valencia to tap in...

coogar:


the games were not rapid. we played madrid on the 5th of march @OT! rooney was a sub & asking to him play in the midfield in a 10-man team shouldn't be a big ask.

we didn't play any game after madrid until the 16th of march when we beat reading. rooney played in the hole & scored the only goal in the game.

there was another 2 weeks break & we didn't play any game until the 30th of march when we played sunderland @the stadium of light. rooney didn't even make the travelling squad for that game.

after that game, we faced city 8 days later on a monday night at OT! rooney played in the hole and we lost the game via ryan giggs error. i hope you are following the event bit by bit.

after the city loss which was disappointing, we faced stoke away from home. rooney started in the midfield in this game alongside carrick. the first time he would play there in the entire period you quoted.

after the stoke game, we played west ham @upton park. kagawa was on the left & rooney was in the hole. game ended 2-2 with kagawa supplying an assist from a wide area.

the next game was against aston villa....the day we won the league. rooney played in the midfield yet again with kagawa taking the hole position & giggs operating from the left.
__________

in a nutshell, rooney was played out of position only twice in that long period. if that was his reason to throw temper tantrums then he deserved to have been sold.

van persie played out of position against stoke too to make way for hernandez, why didn't he cry to the media that he wanted out?

How can you say the games were not rapid? From Madrid away game he played about four matches to the day we won the league against Villa. Considering the tension SAF compounded it jor.

I am tired now.

After West Ham game, Alan Shearer said Rooney might leave Man United. That if he were the one he would ask questions.

elampiro:

How can you say the games were not rapid? From Madrid away game he played about four matches to the day we won the league against Villa. Considering the tension SAF compounded it jor.

how were the games rapid? the first madrid game was feb 13....our next game after that was against QPR(feb 23), rooney was even a 62nd minute substitute for hernandez. that's 10 days after madrid game & rooney didn't start the game - that is rapid to you?

the next game after QPR was against norwich(march 2) & rooney was in the hole. that was the match kagawa bagged his hatrick & rooney scored the 4th goal. which of these events made rooney angry at playing for united?

I am tired now.

you should be knackered - the facts don't back your assertion. this was never about rooney playing in the hole, his anger was that he wasn't playing as the lead striker. he played a lot of games in the hole after the madrid games.

After West Ham game, Alan Shearer said Rooney might leave Man United. That if he were the one he would ask questions.

alan shearer is an ïdiot!
i dunno why you pay attention to folks like that. even in his constituency, he isn't rated. what does shearer know about football?

coogar:


how were the games rapid? the first madrid game was feb 13....our next game after that was against QPR(feb 23), rooney was even a 62nd minute substitute for hernandez. that's 10 days after madrid game & rooney didn't start the game - that is rapid to you?

the next game after QPR was against norwich(march 2) & rooney was in the hole. that was the match kagawa bagged his hatrick & rooney scored the 4th goal. which of these events made rooney angry at playing for united?




you should be knackered - the facts don't back your assertion. this was never about rooney playing in the hole, his anger was that he wasn't playing as the lead striker. he played a lot of games in the hole after the madrid games.



alan shearer is an ïdiot!
i dunno why you pay attention to folks like that. even in his constituency, he isn't rated. what does shearer know about football?

You dont understand. The games were very close. If Rooney had played one midfield game in August, one in November, one in February and another in April. He wouldnt feel bitter.

But he played in number 10 all season and he suddenly got 5 matches off position out of about 8/9 matches.

Tomorrow I will try to get that West Ham match.

Wayne Rooney: midfield
role made player want to
leave Manchester Utd

Manchester United player 'happy'
and 'settled' under Moyes
'I got told to play in midfield and I
didn't want to'

Thursday 10 October 2013 11.42 BST
Wayne Rooney has spoken publicly for
the first time about his reasons for
wanting to leave Manchester United and
blamed his disillusionment on Sir Alex
Ferguson playing him out of position
after the signing of Robin van Persie.
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Rooney described himself as "happy"
and "settled" at Old Trafford now David
Moyes is in charge but the England
striker notably stopped short when
asked to clarify whether that meant he
wanted to stay in Manchester or if he
would renew his attempts to leave next
summer. Choosing his words carefully,
all Rooney would say on the subject was
there would be more discussions behind
the scenes.
The England striker, preparing for the
World Cup qualifiers against
Montenegro and Poland, went on to
offer his backing to Roy Hodgson in the
wake of Harry Redknapp's comments
that he would not trust the "clueless"
Football Association "to show him a
good manager if their lives depended on
it". Despite admitting he initially wanted
Redknapp to get the job, Rooney says
Hodgson has turned out to be the
England manager he has enjoyed
playing for the most, and that the FA
made "the right decision" choosing him
ahead of Redknapp.
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However, it is his relationship with
Ferguson that provides the backdrop to
Rooney's explanation about the chain of
events that led to him trying to engineer
a move to Chelsea in the summer. He
does not mention the former United
manager once by name. Yet, in another
sense, Ferguson is implicated in
everything as the picture emerges of a
player who had started to feel
undervalued and mistreated after Van
Persie's arrival from Arsenal.
Asked whether he had raised his
concerns with the relevant people at Old
Trafford, Rooney opened his arms to
show his exasperation and smiled
knowingly. "Yeah, and …" That was the
meeting at which he apparently told
Ferguson he might leave and an already
strained relationship was fractured.
Ferguson dropped Rooney from his team
and, to the player's dismay, publicised
what had been said during a live
television interview, describing it as a
verbal transfer request.
Rooney's account is that, after nearly a
decade at the club, he felt he had done
enough to warrant a place in "my
position"
and was fed up of being told to help out
in midfield. "Everyone at the club knew
where I wanted to play and I think
that's why I was disappointed. I got told
to play in midfield and I didn't want to.
I just think there had to come a point
when, for my own career, I had to be a
bit selfish really."
This goes back to last spring, not long
after he had been left out of United's
starting XI to face Real Madrid in the
second leg of their Champions League
quarter-final. "I actually felt when I
played in midfield I did OK, but I didn't
want to play there. I've had no problem
in the past playing out of position. But I
felt I deserved the right to play in my
position and that wasn't happening.
"I think, naturally, I was a bit
disappointed and maybe that affected
some of the games I played. I know
myself that last year wasn't my best
season but there were times when I was
playing in different positions. I didn't
feel I got a consistent run of games up
front. Sometimes when you're not
playing in one position all the time it's
difficult to adapt."

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/oct/09/wayne-rooney-reasons-leave-manchester-united

^^^

It's clear here.

He even gave this interview when he was playing number for Moyes behind Van Persie.

Rooney's account is that, after nearly a
decade at the club, he felt he had done
enough to warrant a place in "my
position", namely as centre-forward,
and was fed up of being told to help out
in midfield.

i doubt you read the article you quoted. the evidence is right there & yet you failed to see it. rooney wanted the CF position, not the hole position.

Wayne Rooney has spoken publicly for
the first time about his reasons for
wanting to leave Manchester United and
blamed his disillusionment on Sir Alex
Ferguson playing him out of position
after the signing of Robin van Persie.

it was van persie's arrival that led to rooney being played out of position. this was what we were telling you earlier in the day & you refused to listen.

Yet, in another
sense, Ferguson is implicated in
everything as the picture emerges of a
player who had started to feel
undervalued and mistreated after Van
Persie's arrival from Arsenal.

van persie's arrival threatened rooney. he felt he was undervalued & mistreated cos he was the one being asked to help in the midfield. in a nutshell, if we didn't sign RVP that summer, rooney would never have been asked to play in the midfield.


guardian sports is practically rehashing all what we told you in the afternoon.

coogar:


i doubt you read the article you quoted. the evidence is right there & yet you failed to see it. rooney wanted the CF position, not the hole position.



it was van persie's arrival that led to rooney being played out of position. this was what we were telling you earlier in the day & you refused to listen.



van persie's arrival threatened rooney. he felt he was undervalued & mistreated cos he was the one being asked to help in the midfield. in a nutshell, if we didn't sign RVP that summer, rooney would never have been asked to play in the midfield.


guardian sports is practically rehashing all what we told you in the afternoon.

I read the article. Rooney was talking about midfield. He never mentioned CF. The writer assumed like you guys.
Some writers think Rooney as second striker to RVP.

Rooney position has always been number 10. RVP never conflicted Rooney. He said he was happy playing in number 10 behind Moyes.

elampiro:


I read the article. Rooney was talking about midfield. He never mentioned CF. The writer assumed like you guys.
Some writers think Rooney as second striker to RVP.

Rooney position has always been number 10. RVP never conflicted Rooney. He said he was happy playing in number 10 behind Moyes.

the writer assumed?
rooney played out of position twice to help the team & you think that was reason enough for him to want to quit man utd? come on now, how does any of that make any sense?

i have analysed game to game what happened after the madrid games. if anything, it was the loss against city that made SAF rejig the team. RVP was also played out of position against stoke. why didn't he want out of the club?

In one year with Manchester United, Louis van Gaal has spent more than Ajax have in their whole history.......
Waiting for the excuses to roll in next season

bigkesh:
In one year with Manchester United, Louis van Gaal
has spent more than Ajax have in their whole
history.......

Waiting for the excuses to roll in next season

you want to compare the man utd brand to ajax? it's either fecal particles slipped into your brain cells or you lacked vitamins in your blood system.

In one year with Manchester United, Louis van Gaal
has spent more than Ajax have in their whole
history.

The excuses will be really funny this season

Sir Alex Ferguson: Wayne
Rooney will not leave
Manchester United for Paris
Saint Germain


Rooney was deployed in a deep-lying role at West
Ham, but Ferguson has stressed he has no set
plans for this position in future.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10005355/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-Wayne-Rooney-will-not-leave-Manchester-United-for-Paris-Saint-Germain.html

This is the West Ham match. I remember people said Rooney didnt do well in midfield for the first time.

coogar:


you want to compare the man utd brand to ajax? it's either fecal particles slipped into your brain cells or you lacked vitamins in your blood system.

Calm down,surely not comparing.....That was just a way tell the extent of spending.

By the way I notice you used medical terms a lot.....Are u in the Medical line?

bigkesh:


Calm down,surely not comparing.....That was just a way tell the extent of spending

we are a big club!
stop comparing the shopping list of mike adenuga to basket mouth's shopping list. the prices of players are doubled when united appear in the market.

coogar:


you want to compare the man utd brand to ajax? it's either fecal particles slipped into your brain cells or you lacked vitamins in your blood system.

the next will be comparing Mulsanne to Corolla. .

coogar:


the writer assumed?
rooney played out of position twice to help the team & you think that was reason enough for him to want to quit man utd? come on now, how does any of that make any sense?

i have analysed game to game what happened after the madrid games. if anything, it was the loss against city that made SAF rejig the team. RVP was also played out of position against stoke. why didn't he want out of the club?

Not twice.

Stoke
West Ham
Madrid home and away
VILLA.

5 quick matches. When he was having a good time in the number 10 scoring freely, 11 goals in 12 matches. SAF liked to sacrifice Rooney. He like utilising his energy.

elampiro:

Not twice.

Stoke
West Ham
Madrid home and away
VILLA.

madrid aren't a premier league side. rooney played 25 out of his 27 league games in the hole. the other 2 games were against stoke & villa. rooney played in the hole against west ham.

5 quick matches. When he was having a good time in the number 10 scoring freely, 11 goals in 12 matches. SAF liked to sacrifice Rooney. He like utilising his energy.

5 quick matches? a player who at that time was earning £250k per week? you & rooney aren't serious!

elampiro:

Sir Alex Ferguson: Wayne
Rooney will not leave
Manchester United for Paris
Saint Germain
Rooney was deployed in a deep-lying role at West
Ham, but Ferguson has stressed he has no set
plans for this position in future.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10005355/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-Wayne-Rooney-will-not-leave-Manchester-United-for-Paris-Saint-Germain.html
This is the West Ham match. I remember people said Rooney didnt do well in midfield for the first time.

you like confusing yourself.
speculation of rooney moving to PSG in this match was because SAF took rooney off & rooney wasn't happy about the sub. rooney played in the hole.....

jones & carrick started the game, so where did rooney play? maybe jones or carrick were in the hole and rooney replaced one of them in the central midfield? abeg, stop arguing. all the passes rooney received that day is here with me & he was in the hole.

coogar:


madrid aren't a premier league side. rooney played 25 out of his 27 league games in the hole. the other 2 games were against stoke & villa. rooney played in the hole against west ham.



5 quick matches? a player who at that time was earning £250k per week? you & rooney aren't serious!



you like confusing yourself.
speculation of rooney moving to PSG in this match was because SAF took rooney off & rooney wasn't happy about the sub. rooney played in the hole.....

jones & carrick started the game, so where did rooney play? maybe jones or carrick were in the hole and rooney replaced one of them in the central midfield? abeg, stop arguing. all the passes rooney received that day is here with me & he was in the hole.

I dont trust your opta charts.

Now are you saying he a was angry because he was subbed not because of number 9? We are getting there.

Rooney played in the wing in Madrid and CM at OT. Was enough to get him angry. At same time he was prolific from the hole.

Same period he was used in two or three league games in the midfield. These coupled with nine substitutions were enough for Rooney to ask questions. It has nothing to do with Van Persie.

5 quick matches, yes.
So Rooney should go play left back because he earns 250k?

We were having fun discussing transfers and other possibilities ahead of the new season the other day and it was fun reading from us all...Please i want to appeal to Coogar and Elampiro to stop fighting their war of Egos here, we're all tired of seeing you guys argue over everything there is...Abeg make una try understand

patrickmuf:
We were having fun discussing transfers and other possibilities ahead of the new season the other day and it was fun reading from us all...Please i want to appeal to Coogar and Elampiro to fighting their war of Egos here, we're all tired of seeing you guys argue over everything there is...Abeg make una try understand

dem suppose don do the needful! (Create a thread where only two of them can engage in continuous e-UFC)

codedguy1:


Guy, I remember the season we had almost all our defenders out. Let's hope thunder doesn't strike twice in the same team.




Please can u clarify this for me!

I believe depay plays on the left, di Maria and Young are players that naturally attack effectively from the left? Right?

That means the right wing will be left for Mata, Januzaj and Valencia since a certain Damian has been bought.

Does this not still make the team unbalanced since Mata is really not a rightwing player, Valencia is ... Well a one footed rightwinger and I believe a loan deal will suit januzaj just fine.

With the likes of Herrera, schneiderlein, schweinsteiger, Carrick, Blind and Fellaini struggling for a place in the middle, Matas case becomes even more complex. Na LVG headache be that sha.

My worry is, isn't the team still unbalanced. Except he still wants to play people in make shift positions or there would be a lot of unhappy players on the bench regardless of the number of games to be played.

Di Maria is a right winger not left ,LVG pushed him to d left when he was trying to find out his best position for d team

parrotibaba:
Di Maria is a right winger not left ,LVG pushed him to d left when he was trying to find out his best position for d team

I thought he played in the left wing in his last days at Madrid

dopeJemi:


I thought he played in the left wing in his last days at Madrid

it still doesn't make him a left winger ,barring his last season at Madrid where he was used in centre midfield ,his preferred position was d right

parrotibaba:
it still doesn't make him a left winger ,barring his last season at Madrid where he was used in centre midfield ,his preferred position was d right

Oh! I've always seen him as a left winger, it's really going to be awkward seeing him on the right.. what's your preferred formation with our new signings included

parrotibaba:
Di Maria is a right winger not left ,LVG pushed him to d left when he was trying to find out his best position for d team

Are u sure? At real I could swear I saw him play mostly on the left. Its only in the national team I see him drift almost everywhere, left,right and center.

He seems to be more effective playing on the leftwing or left midfield.

elampiro:


Tess1

5th March Rooney was in the right wing against Madrid.

On 14th April he was in midfield against Stoke.

On 17th April he was in midfield against West Ham.

On 22nd April he was in midfield against Villa. The day we won the league.

Cant you see why he got angry? May be I have forgotten some sef.

Meanwhile I am sure SAF had not used him anywhere except in number 10 before Madrid match.

I asked you about EPL games only but if you are including UCL then we should be talking about larger than 22 starts that i stated.

Let's even accept that it's three games which i have my doubts about. You are now telling me that Rooney turned into a cry baby because of being used out of your supposed no 10 in just three games out 22 starts?

As at 2012/13, Rooney have spent about 9years at Man Utd. Was that the first time he has been used out of position in three or more games?

The fact has been established with these that it was top striker position that Rooney was talking about because he played the number 10 position mostly in that season.

There was rarely a game that both Kagawa and Rooney played that Rooney was sacrificed for Kagawa in the no 10 position. Kagawa was the one sacrificed unless Rooney played up top.

Rooney have been used out of position in his Man Utd appearances for more than three times in the past for him to then complain about mere three games.

There is no need for any more argument about this because it has now been confirmed that Rooney was referring to the no 9 position as the upfront in his statement.

I wished we had brought back Nani and sent Januzaj on loan!

The noises around bringing in Cavani are getting louder.

I do not like them. most likely the deal will be done with Di Maria going in the other direction.

Woody no fall our hand collectively.