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Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Nobody: 4:42am On Jul 15, 2015 |
lastpage:You keep posting lies and expect sane men to take you serious. * Not all the January 1966 coupists were igbos. There were some yoruba and northern soldiers involved. * The coup failed. Hence civilian governors in eastern and mid western regions were not eliminated. They were five majors. Nzeogwu up north, Ifeajuna in West. In the north it was successful because because it because it was because it was well planned and laid out. Major chude-sokkei was one of coup plotters alongside ifeajuna and nzeogwu. He was to to eliminate the eastern and and Midwestern premiers. osadebey, akanu-ibiam and Michael okpara. major chude-sokkei however was sent to India for training few months to execution of the coup. Hence a young inexperienced soldier not up to rank of Major was recruited to finish off what chude left, that was lieutenant oguchi. Oguchi held Okpara on house arrest, afterward at the radio station he declared the government overthrown. He awaited further instruction from lagos until troops sent by Ironsi came for his arrest. dude was so unprofessional that that he never sent troops to Benin. Be informed. The coup failed in East as a result of unprofessionalism and not whatever rubbish you posted up there. * Like I said, Ironsi was most senior officer and felt it right to use strength of military to calm the country. I never said it was coincidence. Please do not misinterpret my posts. Like I said. It was not an Igbo coup. Lieutenant John kpera was a northerner and became Benue state military governor in Babangida regime.( he was not made to die unlike Nzeogwu and co simply for he was a northerner, shame!!) also, Major ademoyega was a yoruba. In the in the words of Major Kaduna nzeogwu. The soldiers he led to assasinate ahmadu bello was "truly nigerian gathering". Meaning nigerians from different tribes were were there. (read his his interview his interview with Ejindu in 1967 before the war just as he left enugu prison. * Ironsi appointed people he he felt were best at the moment. Buhari has not not appointed any igbo man. You no go talk. If I go man do am person no go hear word. In PGEJ's voice, continu. 1 Like |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Emilokoiyawon: 4:43am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Remarkable: Most Igbos have moved on about this Biafra issue - but its never too far away from the surface. However, if it must truly be achieved it must be done right (aka diplomatically) not by a senseless civil war that originates from SW and spreads across the country. You are right, the bible says there is time for everything. And I believe in the future whatever decision Ndigbo makes will be done in peace. War is not the answer - the reality is that another war at this point in history will not favor Ndigbo because you guys are the most traveled across Nigeria. There was a time when the Igbos would be advised to 'Choo ewu ojii ka chi di' since 'Oge adighi eche mmadu' however those days are gone. Now its time to be diplomatic, intelligent and patient. I am Yoruba and I must, to be honest, say that ,in my opinion, Igbos are making a colossal and needless mistake in the way and manner they interact in Lagos/Yoruba politics. Yorubas value diplomacy and intellect - the Igbos who have made it in South West have done so by appealing to this very nature. Igbos in the SW should take their cues from these Igbos rather than from rabble rousers and tribal inciters - A tuoro omara, o mara, a tuoro ofeke, o fenye ishi nohia. True wisdom will be attaining Biafra peacefully and still get to own/keep properties and travel/trade with other parts of Nigeria be it SW, N or SS. Stay away from people who are calling for blood, they will gladly shed your blood to satisfy their own lust. Kachifo. 2 Likes |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Emilokoiyawon: 4:53am On Jul 15, 2015 |
pazienza: You even do list (1 and 2 ). Chai my guy opolo eye no be open eye. You no sharp at all. You are declaring tribal ETERNAL ENEMITY at this point in Nigeria's history. You never grow at all -O na abu a si nwata wuba ahu, o saba afo ya. |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Dollyak(f): 5:07am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Largas:I am not the biggest fan of biafra, but the point you have up there is valid. Hence why I think they need to be addressed. I will always maintain the needs to address some fundamental issues like this before we move forward as a nation. The agitation for baifra is understandable though they are going about it the wrong way. |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by ogba20: 5:09am On Jul 15, 2015 |
AshiwajuFoward:. Am nt an igbo man, with respect to what happen in dis past general election i must say that the yoruba are betretals, take it or leave it. Green snake in a green grass. 2 Likes |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 5:23am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Largas: The reason this bad blood still festers is because some of you are living in denial, a sort delusion grandeur! You argue like the "outcome of the war" depends on it! Below is a list of the "Masterminds" of that Coup: 1.) Major KAduna Nzeogwu (Igbo) 2.) Major Timothhy Onwuatuegbuw (Igbo) 3.) Emmanuel Ifeajuna (Igbo) 4.) Maj. Chris Anuforo (Igbo) 5.) Major Don Okafor (Igbo) 6.) Maj. Adewale Ademoyega (Yoruba) 7.) Maj. Humphrey Chukwukah (Igbo) Capt Emmanuel Nwobosi (igbo) 9.) Capt ben Gbulie (Igbo) 10) Capt. Ogbu Orji (Igbo). So out of ten coup plotters, 9 are Igbos. (90%) and you say it is not an Igbo Coup? Co-opting one Yoruba into it does not change anything! where are the "some" Northern and Yoruba soldiers you are talking about? And by mere coincidence, the plotters killed all the Top "Military and Political" Northern leaders, .....leaving no single Igbo military or political leader dead? By mere coincidence, the ONLY PLACE it was well planned, was in the North! Are you for real? Even Ironsi, who is Igbo was the one that decided he had to use "military coup" to "CALM the tension in the country and he did so with entirely Igbo cabinet, those are the only people he could trust!! LMAO! You guys like to deceive yourselves and you fabricate a thousand excuses why you are never responsible for your own part of the shenanigans! This is why we are still where we are today, 2015. But fabricating stories is not the interest of this thread. We want to see how future generations at least, can learn and move-on with what happened, as the Igbo organisation that threw the olive branch suggested. Thanks for your opinion, sane man! Lastpage! 2 Likes |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by arsetalks(m): 5:26am On Jul 15, 2015 |
unstableaswater:You? This I exactly the problem with many ( not all), you are so uneducated it is unreal. It I an embarrassment in fact. |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 5:28am On Jul 15, 2015 |
ogba20: Thats nice coming from someone who is not Igbo. BTW, what are you? Yoruba or Northerner abi u be Alien! You mean voting out a government that was deemed not performing is betrayal? What will you them call sticking to something/method that has failed for the last six years? Cow/Herd mentality or tribalism? But this thread is not even about what happened in the last general election only. It is about a request that "sane people" should find a way to make Nigerians work together instead of pulling at each others throat, especially between Igbos and Yorubas. Gerrit? Thanks for your opinion Lastpage! 1 Like |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 5:35am On Jul 15, 2015 |
As l suggested yesterday, olillywales: we cant allow some faceless Radio station to be spewing hatred into the ears of our young children. we will get there, step by step. Lastpage! |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Dollyak(f): 6:09am On Jul 15, 2015 |
First and foremost, a big respect to lastpage for this initiative. I respect you and T8ksy knowledge about Nigeria's history. Your diplomatic approach is top notch and admirable Sir. 1 Like |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 6:14am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Dollyak: It is our pleasure M'aam but we take no credit for it. That T8sky na ogbonge pas sme o! The credit goes to all of us, we just want to live peacefully with ourselves and debunk these distrust and rabble-rousing from our Brothers! Thanks for your own opinion. Lastpage! BTW: Its still funny that that Igbo Mod refused to display this thread on front page despite going five pages throughput the whole night yet the other one by Igbo person was promptly displayed! -Small time now, "it" go ban me like say na me take im husband! 2 Likes |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Dollyak(f): 6:22am On Jul 15, 2015 |
lastpage:Lalasticlala is really fair and I am sure he will put this on front page when he wakes up. No doubt, this deserve a front page. |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 6:27am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Saw this on the other thread and reproduced it here Credits to the owner. rashylous: The above is why we cannot afford to keep fighting because all the baove will NEVER HAPPEN unless Igbos and Yorubas UNITE and live together as one. or do you think l am mistaken? Lastpage! |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Nobody: 6:31am On Jul 15, 2015 |
CHM11:God bless you CHM11 The Igbo re just fighting For Biafra so only them will have access to our resources. greedy fellows. Why Nigeria on the other hand are fighting to keep the resources within there control. That why we need to come out and say We want Niger Delta Republic, Or better still a country with Edo, Urhobo, Isoko, Itsekiri, Ilaje will be better the reason I added ilaje is bcous there languages is 80% itsekiri. or One Nigeria |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Nobody: 6:38am On Jul 15, 2015 |
lastpage: Have u ever tried to teach an engineering student integration n differenciaton 1 day before exam If u have, u will understand why I can't say much to her. |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Mcowubaba: 6:50am On Jul 15, 2015 |
tiger28:Flawed logic.... In as much I don't support some of the ambiguous requests made by "some" Igbos.. Nw let's look @ it logically.. Igbo has the 2nd largest population in Lagos (Yoruba being the 1st)- so it is based on this fact, that "some" igbos feel the should to an extent enjoy "some/same" privileges with their Yoruba counterparts..that's just it... Have u heard Igbos in any other Southwest state request 4 anything NO...bcuz the don't have significant number nd "economic importance" Abt lagos being a no mans land- a lot of arguments, debates, facts has been discussed nd analysed abt that..let us not go into that!!!! Abt Psquare, Phyno e.t.c- that is absolute laughable, do u even knw wat is secession/referendum, do u think if Biafra is Reality today, all Igbos in lagos will leave their houses nd business 4 ur people think again Won't biafra be in ECOWAS ..u dey use Visa go Benin, Ivory coast, Ghana eh .. Lil wayne that is far away in USA, doesn't he have massive fan base in Nigeria...I don't think u knw much abt Entertainment Business, so lemme 4give u Nd oga easy with the Bastard calling, Lastpage create this thread 4 a good purpose...pls stop d insult.. Ps.. I am not a Biafra supporter!!! |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Nobody: 6:56am On Jul 15, 2015 |
pazienza: The emboldened already puts your conjectural BS to rest. Like the average ibo, logic is not your forte, only emotions. |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Nobody: 6:59am On Jul 15, 2015 |
barcanista: Chai the way this guy matured nor b small. pleasing Yoruba and Igbo E biggot at thesame time. Lolz.. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Nobody: 7:00am On Jul 15, 2015 |
pazienza: This is one of our opposing genetic make ups. What kind of leader takes his folks into war knowing well enough his territory is under heavy military occupation? Do you guys ever reflect on Ojuwu's error of declaring a war he knows his team holds its shorter end of the stick? We assess situations before taking risks, this is why an average Yoruba man would rather stay in his enclaves than go where he may not likely make it - you call it cowardice. For y'all, you jump into anything and anything blindly without assessment and then get burnt and point fingers - you call this bravery. |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by ApcSucks: 7:01am On Jul 15, 2015 |
SUBWAY101: Pendy ur always found in tribalism thread what kind of human are you? Child of hate and backwardness olukwu 1 Like |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Mcowubaba: 7:03am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Goodboiyy:What makes me pissed off, is when I see the type of silly comment!!! Out of 5 Igbo State, 3 has oil...nd out of that 3, 2 (Imo nd Abia) are already among the NDDC states nd get oil allocations/derivation (can't remember the name of the allocation now) So in ur pawpaw mind, Igbos are the 1s in dying need of ur "so-called oil"..a tribe that has OIL ALREADY!!! Pls State where nd when the agitators of Biafra in Recent times has "begged" or "Forced" the Southsouth to join the Struggle Tell me The point is that many of your kind, don't even have an in-depth knowledge abt Biafra!!! Nd are quick to jump into hasty conclusions!! Even this oil thing self... Many Great Countries of the World don't produce or have Oil China, England, Germany, Spain, Japan, Singapore e.t.c get Oil Even the USA u hear, only recently started utilising their own Oil resources.... Don't lay over emphasis on Oil....without other countries buying it 4rm u, u are doomed!!! Let there just be a new efficient source of energy, na una go drink dat una oil..abeggii..NEXT!! |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 7:07am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Mcowubaba: U talk well Bros. Are you aware that Lagos Fashola was the first to have an Igbo State Commissioner? Are you aware that there are a few LGA Chairmen of Igbo origin in Lagos state? Going by percentage of total population, Igbos are less than 10% of Lagos population (Dont foget Lagos has five divisions, as far as Epe!) dont you think Lagos and Yorubas are generous on that account or less say "accommodating" to that effect? How many Yoruba Commissioners do we have in the Eastern state? But that is not even the point. The main thing is to show appreciation to your host, to "arrange them" (as in Aponle) such that they feel honored and not to get into a confrontational attitude with them. This will go a long way in ensuring that you are sure-footed in their domain as they will not be looking over their shoulders and wondering what next you intend to grab! ....and if we go by antecedents of the Igbo then back, when they had the Ultimate Power as Head of state of Nigeria, Bros, it was a bit scary o! Having said that, we are now in 2015 and our efforts should be focused on "re-assuring ourselves, integrating ourselves, breaking down barriers" yet some are still shouting Biafra and Nnamdi Kanu is still shouting and inciting Igbos to kill Yorubas anywhere they find them in the East. Has he forgotten that a lot of Igbos also live in the South West? Anyway, we are going to encourage all Igbos who have "faith in this Olive Branch and believe in EQUITY" to take a leap of faith. We have die-hards within us as well as you have but the "good ones" must speak up for Peace while trying to convince the die-hards to let bygones be bygones. Thanks for your opinion Lastpage! 1 Like |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Nobody: 7:13am On Jul 15, 2015 |
The OP's attempt at offering explanations and also extending an arm of friendship makes no sense. Like someone rightly said, social media is a conduit for venting but where the person got it wrong was saying it does not go beyond that (just online). I want all Yoruba folks on this thread to be honest or go back to conduct a survey amongst their kin folks/friends weighing their thoughts about Ibos. Whatever response you get, you can share or ponder over it. From my end, most folks I know and those I do not but whose opinions I weighed both old and young adults were uninterested in ibo shenanigans in the time past, they just shrugged or chuckled at everything. Over the recent year(s) they have become different in that everyone now seems to be coming out of some sort of trance or where they buried their heads and realizing offenses or characteristic attitude of Ibos they have had whatevrr interaction with and they have become angry (an example is the Oba Akiolu's outburst, an apparent break of a pent up anger). More recently, I was surprised to witness Ibo/Yoruba discussion degenerate so fast into the Yorubas saying stuffs to the Ibos face, I stayed mute. The fact is, the anger is widespread and it is growing rapidly, the OP's thread is unnecessary as things are not likely to get better - 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 7:14am On Jul 15, 2015 |
Mcowubaba: Bros, u don dey show your hand small-small o! As a "non-igbo"! take am sofry-sofry o! dont get angry at anyone for thinking differently from you, it why it is called an "opinion". What they see in Newyork as morning, is what we see in Nigeria as evening (7hours difference) at the same time! Thanks for your opinion Lastpage! BTW: Funnily, l could almost decipher an Igbo person, even if he was born in Lagos and had lived all his life in Lagos (meaning pseudo-yoruba sort of), by his choice of words in a sentence! Seems we all have "peculiar choice of words" we use, especially when we are not trying to be elusive! |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Nobody: 7:15am On Jul 15, 2015 |
They both fought for Oyel. |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by disumusa: 7:17am On Jul 15, 2015 |
sammyj:it true, Yoruba did not support Biafra and they will never. |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by kotv: 7:21am On Jul 15, 2015 |
SUBWAY101: Ondo does not produce more oil that se. ondo produces the least oil in Nigeria. It is also not part of nd. Obasanjo made it a nd but it is not. 1 Like |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by lastpage: 7:25am On Jul 15, 2015 |
9jacrip: Sir, You are speaking from a hypocritical point of view! What was your conclusion when yo conducted the same survey on Igbos? Do share it with us please. You offered us "what happened or is happening" ...but not "WHY it is happening", which is even more important! In time past, it is true they just shrug it over .... but now they are reacting! The QUESTION is WHY are they reacting now, if they never reacted before, and just shrugged it off? *Could it be it was getting more brazen? *Could it be they are getting fed-up? *Could it be it is increasing in intensity? *Could it be that the use of Social Media had provided an anonymous platform for hatefulthings to be said without any fear of repercussion? *Could it be........ These are what a HONEST and NON_BIGOTED PERSON will seek to understand by investigation, not just accuse people of an offense ..... and that is what we are trying to do here so that if we know the WHY's, we can then tell ourselves some home truths and then "make-up" after offering our apologies ......because apologies are easier to make, easier ot accept as sincere, if both parties have clarified the issues involved Having said that, l want to thank you for your opinion. You have shed light on another angle of the discussion. Would you by any chance, be ready to let the past go, and forgive, if you have the opportunity to do so.... or would you hold on to the bitterness and hatred of the past? Thanks, once again. Lastpage! |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by kotv: 7:29am On Jul 15, 2015 |
klevjey: I understand what you are trying to do. the hypocrisy of Yoruba is very dangerous. they get angry when others call lagos a no man's land but they are always the first to call oil in ss a nigerian oil. that is one thing i don't like about yoruba is their greediness and hypocrisy. I understand the message you passing along but the oil in ss belongs to ss. there is no such thing as no man's oil. 1 Like |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by Nobody: 7:33am On Jul 15, 2015 |
lastpage: You can take the survey a notch further by conducting your Ibo survey, I have no business with that - besides, the answer to that is all over social networks and other media outlets. You can stay offering apologies from you and your household, not for other many Yoruba whose lines have been crossed. I do not hate, it is evil, I'd only go with my type. Have a good day. |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by SegunAdewole: 7:38am On Jul 15, 2015 |
pazienza: Lastpage lied. Even Femi aribisala know that Ibos were right to attack Lagos. Anti-Biafran orders were taken from lagos. How can you expect Ibos to go after the sultan's head in Sokoto when war orders where coming from Gowon in yorubaland. Lastpage my brother, you are senseless sha. |
Re: "Settling Our Differences With Igbos": What Yorubas Think, - A Rejoinder by SegunAdewole: 7:44am On Jul 15, 2015 |
logica: But since we don't really like Ibos. We and fulanis should tell Ibos to go hell. I am from illorin and support an Oduarewa republic. Insha Allah 1 Like |
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