MikeCZAR:
Northern Angola is close to Nigeria. And that's where the ship was attacked.

Citation needed for Northern Angola.

Published sources say just Angola. Prove your claim with a source.

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[size=13pt] South Africa admits Angola is her new master

"Top South African military analyst Helmoed Heitman said the Sukhoi has longer legs than the Gripen and this, added to the planned Angolan over the horizon missile buy, makes it a more effective platform than the Gripen. In South Africa, shortages in the defence budget mean similar weapons systems for the Gripen are not forthcoming."[/size]

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39861
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PHOTO : ANGOLA...NEW AIR POWER MASTER TERRORIZING SOUTH AFRICAN AIR FORCE !

RE : http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

Darren, I find your response to my reply, just similar in principle to your original essay, it's still all your personal speculative assumptions as I cannot find any reliable technical source to confirm almost everything you claim.

1. There is no proof that Angola has no money, oil and gas money, to buy a better radar, and there is no proof that the radar on the Su-30K is still the same radar after upgrade. There are many radar options for an Su-30 wih range from 100 km to 400 km. Can you please prove with a source beyond dispute, the exact radar model that Angola has after the upgrade ?

2. I have contrary reports from Czechs and Hungarian Gripen pilots who claimed to have severally shot down SAAF Gripens in Lion Effort, can you prove me wrong or prove yourself right with a valid source that can be presented in an international forum?

3. RCS numbers on internet for many jet fighters are mere speculations, you have any proof from SAAB for the Gripen?

4. A-Darter 19 km is a bad range for a missile when the Gripen is up against a super maneuverable deadly dog fighter Su-30 Flanker in close range combat where missile can hit target in 15 seconds.

5. Angolan Su-30 has combat range of about 3,000 km and South Africa is about 2,500 km away for a round trip, so how come you say 12 Su-30 jets cannot do much damage to South Africa when jets do random combat sorties? Basic maths and geography maps proves your claim to be very strange.

6. Switch off all the radar you want on the Gripen, and it will be easily detected by an Angolan Su-30, since when did radar waves start failing to detect jet fighters that are not stealth? I need proof that law of physics has now changed and a metal Gripen jet as big as a trailer/truck will not reflect radar waves.

Enemy radar detects you because you have a metal piece of object in the air, not because you have your own radar on.

7. RCS could be small, but does not save you from radar detection, good jets will detect enemy aircraft and also detect it's missile after launch, the RCS of a tiny missile is being detected and you get a missile approach warning, then somebody wants to tell the world that a huge jet fighter will not be detected because it has some kind of RCS....when it is not stealth? Even a stealth jet with a little bomb bay opening to discharge ordnance will get detected by good radar, USAF F-117 Nighthawk stealth jet was detected by an old Serbian radar and shot down in Bosnia war.

When one writes assumptions, he should let readers know he is speculating and writing personal opinions.

http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/
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@mzilakazi, @rudsza, @jln115, @Mduza,
HAVE YOU EATEN YOUR RAW SNAKE TODAY?? I could supply you though lets talk business... HOLD ON!! THE PASTOR IS NOT A NIGERIAN, tell me his nationality..

ddami:
@mzilakazi, @rudsza, @jln115, @Mduza,
HAVE YOU EATEN YOUR RAW SNAKE TODAY?? I could supply you though lets talk business... HOLD ON!! THE PASTOR IS NOT A NIGERIAN, tell me his nationality..

lol

MduZA:


lol

does it really taste like chocolate..,,,
don't lie that you have not eating ooo,,,
Facebook has promoted YOUR church's ministry,,

agaugust:


[s]Both NAF and SAAF have no BVR missiles, so what will he say? I just picked holes in his writing and he has admitted errors he made.



Bwahahaha

I made all those researchers to eat their words and eat the humble pie !

See how Darren quickly agreed with me when I knocked out his first point about Angolan pilots skill level, if I did not challenge him, he was already deceiving people, now go back and see how people responded to my comment and agreed with me, Darren had no choice than to immediately withdraw his words and say he does not actually know Angola pilot's capability and he quickly added that yes he is aware of some very good Angolan jet pilots.....so he knwe, why did he not say say and give Angola credit until I forces him to do so ?

I also corrected him on A-Darter missile range of 19 km NOT 20 km, he agreed with me.....he was posting rubbish until I corrected him.

Well, he has met a Nigerian military researcher, and I am going to make him sweat like a new yam goat, I am going back to demol.ish all his other claims that have no single proof, he is a military speculator NOT a researcher, he has no facts and figures, he is writing personal opinion.

Also, I am going back to defence web to demolish there, I hope Helmod Heitman will be willing to talk to me.....Time to show Naija skills[/s] !
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Augustus

He very polity, but very firmly, annihilated you - point by point

Its plain to see for all the members on this forum

agaugust:


Citation needed for Northern Angola.

Published sources say just Angola. Prove your claim with a source.

Ship was captured in Nigerian waters

agaugust:
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[size=13pt] South Africa admits Angola is her new master

"Top South African military analyst Helmoed Heitman said the Sukhoi has longer legs than the Gripen and this, added to the planned Angolan over the horizon missile buy, makes it a more effective platform than the Gripen. In South Africa, shortages in the defence budget mean similar weapons systems for the Gripen are not forthcoming."[/size]

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39861
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PHOTO : ANGOLA...NEW AIR POWER MASTER TERRORIZING SOUTH AFRICAN AIR FORCE !

Ahh that magical cognitive dissonance

You seem to be stubbornly ignoring the fact that the Angolans can reach one of your major cities and your major oilfeilds

While if the Gripen is inferior... then what is the F7?

It seems you are the servant of the masters servant

agaugust:
RE : http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

Darren, I find your response to my reply, just similar in principle to your original essay, it's still all your personal speculative assumptions as I cannot find any reliable technical source to confirm almost everything you claim.

1. There is no proof that Angola has no money, oil and gas money, to buy a better radar, and there is no proof that the radar on the Su-30K is still the same radar after upgrade. There are many radar options for an Su-30 wih range from 100 km to 400 km. Can you please prove with a source beyond dispute, the exact radar model that Angola has after the upgrade ?

2. I have contrary reports from Czechs and Hungarian Gripen pilots who claimed to have severally shot down SAAF Gripens in Lion Effort, can you prove me wrong or prove yourself right with a valid source that can be presented in an international forum?

3. RCS numbers on internet for many jet fighters are mere speculations, you have any proof from SAAB for the Gripen?

4. A-Darter 19 km is a bad range for a missile when the Gripen is up against a super maneuverable deadly dog fighter Su-30 Flanker in close range combat where missile can hit target in 15 seconds.

5. Angolan Su-30 has combat range of about 3,000 km and South Africa is about 2,500 km away for a round trip, so how come you say 12 Su-30 jets cannot do much damage to South Africa when jets do random combat sorties? Basic maths and geography maps proves your claim to be very strange.

6. Switch off all the radar you want on the Gripen, and it will be easily detected by an Angolan Su-30, since when did radar waves start failing to detect jet fighters that are not stealth? I need proof that law of physics has now changed and a metal Gripen jet as big as a trailer/truck will not reflect radar waves.

Enemy radar detects you because you have a metal piece of object in the air, not because you have your own radar on.

7. RCS could be small, but does not save you from radar detection, good jets will detect enemy aircraft and also detect it's missile after launch, the RCS of a tiny missile is being detected and you get a missile approach warning, then somebody wants to tell the world that a huge jet fighter will not be detected because it has some kind of RCS....when it is not stealth? Even a stealth jet with a little bomb bay opening to discharge ordnance will get detected by good radar, USAF F-117 Nighthawk stealth jet was detected by an old Serbian radar and shot down in Bosnia war.

When one writes assumptions, he should let readers know he is speculating and writing personal opinions.

http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/
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Dis gon b gud

Im getting my chair and pop-corn ready


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXhpAx4aWI

I also like it how you finally confirmed that this commentator who uses the same name as you is infact you

agaugust:
RE : http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

Darren, I find your response to my reply, just similar in principle to your original essay, it's still all your personal speculative assumptions as I cannot find any reliable technical source to confirm almost everything you claim.

1. There is no proof that Angola has no money, oil and gas money, to buy a better radar, and there is no proof that the radar on the Su-30K is still the same radar after upgrade. There are many radar options for an Su-30 wih range from 100 km to 400 km. Can you please prove with a source beyond dispute, the exact radar model that Angola has after the upgrade ?

2. I have contrary reports from Czechs and Hungarian Gripen pilots who claimed to have severally shot down SAAF Gripens in Lion Effort, can you prove me wrong or prove yourself right with a valid source that can be presented in an international forum?

3. RCS numbers on internet for many jet fighters are mere speculations, you have any proof from SAAB for the Gripen?

4. A-Darter 19 km is a bad range for a missile when the Gripen is up against a super maneuverable deadly dog fighter Su-30 Flanker in close range combat where missile can hit target in 15 seconds.

5. Angolan Su-30 has combat range of about 3,000 km and South Africa is about 2,500 km away for a round trip, so how come you say 12 Su-30 jets cannot do much damage to South Africa when jets do random combat sorties? Basic maths and geography maps proves your claim to be very strange.

6. Switch off all the radar you want on the Gripen, and it will be easily detected by an Angolan Su-30, since when did radar waves start failing to detect jet fighters that are not stealth? I need proof that law of physics has now changed and a metal Gripen jet as big as a trailer/truck will not reflect radar waves.

Enemy radar detects you because you have a metal piece of object in the air, not because you have your own radar on.

7. RCS could be small, but does not save you from radar detection, good jets will detect enemy aircraft and also detect it's missile after launch, the RCS of a tiny missile is being detected and you get a missile approach warning, then somebody wants to tell the world that a huge jet fighter will not be detected because it has some kind of RCS....when it is not stealth? Even a stealth jet with a little bomb bay opening to discharge ordnance will get detected by good radar, USAF F-117 Nighthawk stealth jet was detected by an old Serbian radar and shot down in Bosnia war.

When one writes assumptions, he should let readers know he is speculating and writing personal opinions.

http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/
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Darren will really gonna have a tough time discussing military with a layperson.

ddami:
@mzilakazi, @rudsza, @jln115, @Mduza,
HAVE YOU EATEN YOUR RAW SNAKE TODAY?? I could supply you though lets talk business... HOLD ON!! THE PASTOR IS NOT A NIGERIAN, tell me his nationality..

lol

agaugust:


Citation needed for Northern Angola.

Published sources say just Angola. Prove your claim with a source.

Northern Angola is closed to Nigeria.

agaugust:
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[size=13pt] South Africa admits Angola is her new master

"Top South African military analyst Helmoed Heitman said the Sukhoi has longer legs than the Gripen and this, added to the planned Angolan over the horizon missile buy, makes it a more effective platform than the Gripen. In South Africa, shortages in the defence budget mean similar weapons systems for the Gripen are not forthcoming."[/size]

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39861
.

PHOTO : ANGOLA...NEW AIR POWER MASTER TERRORIZING SOUTH AFRICAN AIR FORCE !

If Angola gives you a fright, it does not necessarily mean it applies to us.

agaugust:
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[size=13pt] South Africa admits Angola is her new master

"Top South African military analyst Helmoed Heitman said the Sukhoi has longer legs than the Gripen and this, added to the planned Angolan over the horizon missile buy, makes it a more effective platform than the Gripen. In South Africa, shortages in the defence budget mean similar weapons systems for the Gripen are not forthcoming."[/size]

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39861
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PHOTO : ANGOLA...NEW AIR POWER MASTER TERRORIZING SOUTH AFRICAN AIR FORCE !

A Meteor BVRAAM buy changes everything.

Patchesagain:


Dis gon b gud

Im getting my chair and pop-corn ready


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNXhpAx4aWI

I also like it how you finally confirmed that this commentator who uses the same name as you is infact you

He doesn't even know how 5th generation missiles operate.

In fact he doesn't know how air to air missiles operate.

mzilakazi:



Nigeria's billionaires were reduced to ashes the moment they voluntarily devalued naira to deal with the pressure from international market. That move saw Dangote losing over $10 billion and other billionaires in Nigeria reduced to the levels of just ordinary millionaires. Do you think we don't know about that? Bwahahaha… you must be kidding us.

NOW AS AT 13/07/2015 Nigeria has only five billionaires compared to eight that both SA and Egypt has. GOT IT!!!

ALL THE WAY FROM FORBES 2015.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mfonobongnsehe/2015/03/02/the-african-billionaires-2015/

Another devaluation is on its way. Nigeria is a mess.

http://af.reuters.com/article/nigeriaNews/idAFL5N0ZV2H220150715

The so-called billionaires are in reality, paupers.

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augustine > Sello Puo • 6 hours ago




Sello Puo, I am Augustine, a military researcher based in North America, I work in defence industry, and in my office are veteran USAF and USMC fighter pilots whom I engage in discussions from live combat, not internet blogs and commentaries.

I ask anyone who has basic university education and knows the difference between facts and assumption to please kindly tell us the source, verifiable and infallible technical source of the information about Gripen jets RCS at .0.1 or 0.5

Did you see what Darren wrote? He said and I quote "The Gripen C has a frontal ideal RCS of 0.1 m², going higher depending on angle, so let’s call it 0.5 m² to be fair and to account for marketing exaggerations".

He has already said the RCS 0.1 is an assumption by some people likely exaggerated, so his own assumption is 0.5, now how do we prove who is right? What is the real figure is 0.9 ?

I went to university and I am educated enough not to use assumptions as facts, they are speculations. If you write international standard project papers and you quote assumptions as facts, you lose your job or reputation.... or both.


hahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

This is the funniest sh1t ive ever read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

jln115:
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augustine > Sello Puo • 6 hours ago




Sello Puo, I am Augustine, a military researcher based in North America, I work in defence industry, and in my office are veteran USAF and USMC fighter pilots whom I engage in discussions from live combat, not internet blogs and commentaries.

I ask anyone who has basic university education and knows the difference between facts and assumption to please kindly tell us the source, verifiable and infallible technical source of the information about Gripen jets RCS at .0.1 or 0.5

Did you see what Darren wrote? He said and I quote "The Gripen C has a frontal ideal RCS of 0.1 m², going higher depending on angle, so let’s call it 0.5 m² to be fair and to account for marketing exaggerations".

He has already said the RCS 0.1 is an assumption by some people likely exaggerated, so his own assumption is 0.5, now how do we prove who is right? What is the real figure is 0.9 ?

I went to university and I am educated enough not to use assumptions as facts, they are speculations. If you write international standard project papers and you quote assumptions as facts, you lose your job or reputation.... or both.


hahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

This is the funniest sh1t ive ever read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.africandefence.net/angolas-su-30ks-are-not-a-serious-threat-to-the-south-african-air-force/

Bwahahahaha

Darren has demolished the argument you were posting here last month that Gripen RCS is 0.1 m2 and I told you it's not possible buy you kept arguing blindly with me. Now a military journalist has said it is an exaggeration for marketing purposes, he said it could be 0.5 m2 to be fair......LOL....Darren has proved me right and proved you wrong.....does it hurt you? Yes

Eat the humble pie whitey

MikeCZAR:
A Meteor BVRAAM buy changes everything.

Angola too can buy K-77 BVRAAM and that is the best in the world 2015.

Not only South Africa can buy new things, I have told you that many times dummy.

mzilakazi:


If Angola gives you a fright, it does not necessarily mean it applies to us.

It's actually South African military experts that are trembling and crying on defenceweb because of Angola's new Su-30 jets
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MikeCZAR:
Northern Angola is closed to Nigeria.

Southern Angola is closer to South Africa.

Patchesagain:


Ship was captured in Nigerian waters

Ship was hijacked in Angolan waters

Patchesagain:


Augustus

He very polity, but very firmly, annihilated you - point by point

Its plain to see for all the members on this forum

The only members of this forum commenting are all South Africans whose national pride has been rubbished by Angola's superiority.

Darren is a man with a big job but poorly informed, he said A-Darter range is at least 20 km, he said at least 20. The guy has no facts , he is posting speculations. I corrected him that it is actually 19 km and he has accepted my correction and eaten the humble pie
.

agaugust:


Bwahahahaha

Darren has demolished the argument you were posting here last month that Gripen RCS is 0.1 m2 and I told you it's not possible buy you kept arguing blindly with me. Now a military journalist has said it is an exaggeration for marketing purposes, he said it could be 0.5 m2 to be fair......LOL....Darren has proved me right and proved you wrong.....does it hurt you? Yes

Eat the humble pie whitey

What? he proved me 100% right fuckt@rd!! I said the Gripen has a Frontal RCS of 0.1m2, the 0.5m2 is an educated and conservative guess for what the RCS of the Gripen will be when viewed from an angle other than right in front!! The frontal RCS of 0.1m2 is a fact!! Go read the article again and you will understand!

jl115:

What? he proved me 100% right fuckt@rd!! I said the Gripen has a Frontal RCS of 0.1m2, the 0.5m2 is an educated and conservative guess for what the RCS of the Gripen will be when viewed from an angle other than right in front!! The frontal RCS of 0.1m2 is a fact!! Go read the article again and you will understand!

Frontal, rear, side, angle....all Gripen RCS are private peoples speculations that a trained researcher will call ASSUMPTIONS.

Assumption is NOT = Facts

You talk like a school drop out who has never written academic projects before.

MikeCZAR:
He doesn't even know how 5th generation missiles operate.

In fact he doesn't know how air to air missiles operate.

I like it how the emphasis in the article was on the adarters maneuverability

And augubug keeps talking about range

Its like, sh1t, its like watching a ret.ard try to fvck a door knob

agaugust:


Bwahahahaha

Darren has demolished the argument you were posting here last month that Gripen RCS is 0.1 m2 and I told you it's not possible buy you kept arguing blindly with me. Now a military journalist has said it is an exaggeration for marketing purposes, he said it could be 0.5 m2 to be fair......LOL....Darren has proved me right and proved you wrong.....does it hurt you? Yes

Eat the humble pie whitey

Hagahahah

The only one eating humble pie here is you

Sh1t is hilarious

agaugust:


Angola too can buy K-77 BVRAAM and that is the best in the world 2015.

Not only South Africa can buy new things, I have told you that many times dummy.

Let them buy it

Meteor comes into service soon

And meteor will be the best BVRM

agaugust:


It's actually South African military experts that are trembling and crying on defenceweb because of Angola's new Su-30 jets
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And we have 25 gripen!!

Imagine how your airforce feels with 10 ancient F-7s!!

Angola can hit you too jackass

agaugust:


Ship was hijacked in Angolan waters

And sailed into your waters