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Re: Believers' Place by Nobody: 10:08am On Jul 17, 2015 |
BreezyRita: Let others also give their suggestions. I'm titling towards THE BELIEVERS PLACE! 1 Like |
Re: Believers' Place by 4rmGuest2Member(m): 10:10am On Jul 17, 2015 |
kaboninc: Hmm. Well, I get you. After all, in this same christianity, we have many denominations and some are erring, some that are not erring have differences in beliefs with others not erring too. The Bible mentioned something about that. But may God help us oo. |
Re: Believers' Place by Nobody: 10:15am On Jul 17, 2015 |
BreezyRita:It's my pleasure being here....and I must say it's a privilege to be among believers also... So tell me what are the rules guiding our contributions cause I have a lot to contribute out of my treasure. If there are rules already laid down I had suggest we add this to it "All Teachings must be rooted in the Scripture". As per the Title I had suggest "All About Truth" Thanks once again. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Believers' Place by 4rmGuest2Member(m): 10:19am On Jul 17, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: I just noticed BreezyRita may have answered that. People feel we pay to the pastors, but we're paying to God's storehouse (the church in our days). God's work on earth needs to be financed in one way or the other and apart from other forms of giving, tithting is one sure-fire way of getting finances. It's just a pity that some pastors have allowed greed to make them steal from this money. But some never touch tithe for personal gains. In fact, my pastor pays his tithe too. I'm not a member of the council of the church, I don't know what's being done with the money but all I know is I need the positives in Mal 3:8 - 10 to be my portion and the negatives from same scripture to stay away from me. |
Re: Believers' Place by MizMyColi(f): 10:23am On Jul 17, 2015 |
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Re: Believers' Place by 4rmGuest2Member(m): 10:29am On Jul 17, 2015 |
HFOG: Lol. Alright Ma. Ny night was rejuvenating, thank God. I believe yours was also and happy holidays to you too. Thanks 1 Like |
Re: Believers' Place by HFOG(f): 10:31am On Jul 17, 2015 |
Re: Believers' Place by Nobody: 10:33am On Jul 17, 2015 |
4rmGuest2Member:Let me use an illustration to drive home the point. You write an application letter for a particular Job which you delivered to the directing manager who is supposed to submit it to the general manager for assessment. And instead of submitting to the general manager decided to throw it to the dustbin. Indeed you have submitted your application letter to the directing manager which is what you have to do but the directing manager has decided to throw it into the dustbin.Now will you be called for interview since you have submitted your application letter? even though your letter did not reach the genera manager who have the power to call you for the interview?Of course not you won't be called for the interview. So also my brother, Your application letter is your tithe,the directing manager is the church which you bring your offerings to while The General manager is God and the interview call is your blessings of obedience onto Love.Now the Church decides to pay pastors on your offerings which is meant to be distributed to the needies as Christ command.Will there be a blessing for your obedience since God did not see the effect of your offerings on the needies? So my brother you should have a say in the church like the hellenist had a say in the early church when their needy are neglected. So you should speak when the offerings are used wrongly so as not to hinder your blessings as the directing manager hindered the applier interview. |
Re: Believers' Place by Alezy(m): 10:35am On Jul 17, 2015 |
MizMyColi:I almost called u when I noticed ur name was not on the list. well ur here now n dats all dat matter |
Re: Believers' Place by MizMyColi(f): 10:37am On Jul 17, 2015 |
Alezy: Ritty didn't mention me because she's not sure I'm a Christian |
Re: Believers' Place by HFOG(f): 10:53am On Jul 17, 2015 |
kaboninc:Many thanks for your kind words. I've not been able to access my mail till now. Pls be patient with me. About your questions on children with terminal diseases, infant death and existing elsewhere etc. I do not bother myself about many things. I accept life and God are way bigger than I can fathom on this side of eternity. I do not claim to have everything fixed in my mind. For me, anything that doesn't bother on drawing me closer to God I leave off. Whether I existed before now or not, how does that help me focus on God? Understanding the reason why infants die and good people suffer can't directly help my walk with God or can it? |
Re: Believers' Place by BreezyRita(f): 10:55am On Jul 17, 2015 |
Mizmycoli!! No. No. No. I didn't mention others too. I hoped the Spirit would direct them. And they are here. Pardon me Bikonu. You're welcome! Although I know your stand, I believe you'll put two and two together and get four as the result someday. Starlingslimnet, our God is not a man. He sees in secret. He knows our thoughts. A man judges from the his sight and hearing but God judges from the heart. So you've paid your tithe. You've done your part. Cheerfully. Why not leave human reasoning and watch God do the rest? You feel the tithe isn't used for the right purposes? Its not your business! You feel the pastorate uses it?? What do you think? That God needs your money? No! He's the Giver! He wants to bless you. God will not come down and take your tithes. He will direct others on how to use it. If they chose to do it wrong, its their case. Not yours..... OK. Let's see this. I personally hate it when someone gives me something and goes about saying he did. And even checking every now and then to see what I'm doing with it. It irritates. And I'm human. Can you tell the All-knowing, All-seeing God how you want your tithe to be used?? What am I saying?? Believe me, financial prosperity doesn't answer to prayer and fasting. Giving is the key! And look at the all-around blessings in Malachi 3:10-12! I don't care what my tithe is used for. Me? I can't rob God! Whoever feels he can is free..... BTW, most pastors pay their tithes. Mine does. 1 Like |
Re: Believers' Place by Alezy(m): 10:55am On Jul 17, 2015 |
MizMyColi:Lolz. ...nah, don't think so. |
Re: Believers' Place by HFOG(f): 10:55am On Jul 17, 2015 |
MizMyColi:haha. You're not blaming her, are you? I'm not sure if you're one either. :-( |
Re: Believers' Place by MizMyColi(f): 10:57am On Jul 17, 2015 |
HFOG: But I pray to God and call on Jesus' name. I'm sure qualified |
Re: Believers' Place by MizMyColi(f): 11:04am On Jul 17, 2015 |
BreezyRita. Anyone who calls in the name of Jesus and believes they have the Christ like nature is a Christian. Just not all of us enjoy carrying the tag. |
Re: Believers' Place by Nobody: 11:08am On Jul 17, 2015 |
BreezyRita:Hope you have seen my illustration? You said something which everybody resort to as the final irrefutable and irrevocable command on Tithe,Mal 3:10-12.Only they left one question unanswered on that verse and which it will be glorious if you can answer the question but before then we will have to quote that Mal 3:10-12 here and it says " 10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, That there may be food in My house, And try Me now in this," Says the Lord of hosts, "If I will not open for you the windows of heaven And pour out for you such blessing That there will not be room enough to receive it. 11 "And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, So that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, Nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field," Says the Lord of hosts; 12 "And all nations will call you blessed, For you will be a delightful land," Says the Lord of hosts." Now the question is, Food for who? |
Re: Believers' Place by Nobody: 11:09am On Jul 17, 2015 |
MizMyColi:Lol.....now this is Faith!! 1 Like |
Re: Believers' Place by HFOG(f): 11:10am On Jul 17, 2015 |
MizMyColi:You're making me smile, ma'am. Whoever calls on His name would be saved. You know that. :-) |
Re: Believers' Place by HFOG(f): 11:16am On Jul 17, 2015 |
Alezy:Yeah my day's been beautiful. I have to stop where the Bible stops. What right to I have to push either way? Glad and grateful you got me a little. 1 Like |
Re: Believers' Place by 4rmGuest2Member(m): 11:19am On Jul 17, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: Lol, wow. See illustration abeg. But I'll like to point out one thing. Tithe is money, and not paper, so my tithe cannot be thrown away. Either it's used rightly or wrongly. So, to compare tithe with a letter, err, it's somehow. Besides I'm not applying for anything with my tithe because 'for me' it's a must and there's guarantee for the outcome of paying tithe which is not so for an uncertain application letter. Then, you can't compare God with mere man. He's Omniscient. If that GM was omniscient, won't he know that I made an application? But God knows that you did tithe (or apply as you say). My brother, that's all that really matters. The effect of the tithe has never been my business and never will be. I'm not a council member in church to be concerned about that. Just do your part with the right attitude, and God will do His. It's a covenant. It's simple. Thank God my eyes have been opened to truths about tithing. I'm hoping yours would be open too. |
Re: Believers' Place by HFOG(f): 11:32am On Jul 17, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: Now, what exactly is your point please? Food for priests? Levites? God? The poor? Orphans? Widows? After proving and believing that tithe paying is irrelevant, then what next? Or that tithes should be paid. Let's try to focus on the essentials please. First things first. Whatever we give and however we live ought to flow out of our relationship with the Lord not the other way round. Choosing to give whatever percentage of our resources to a church, person, cause or community is not what makes us God's children. 1 Like |
Re: Believers' Place by elantraceey(f): 11:56am On Jul 17, 2015 |
Alezy: God said bring the tithes into the storehouse , where is the store house today? Of course its the church . 1 Like |
Re: Believers' Place by Nobody: 12:41pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
4rmGuest2Member:The Kingdom of God is not a field yet Christ compared it to it.If you can't understand parables how will you understand Christ? God has principles my brother.I will Stop at that. |
Re: Believers' Place by Nobody: 12:42pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
elantraceey:Funny.... any Scripture saying Church is the storehouse? |
Re: Believers' Place by Nobody: 12:47pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
HFOG:Hey dear.....we are learning......And for once I didn't say Tithe is irrelevant (If you find any in my post you can quote it).Am only asking questions which is the way Christ get to guide the Pharisees into the marvelous light of God. Now dear if you care to answer the question you can. |
Re: Believers' Place by kaboninc(m): 1:37pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
4rmGuest2Member: I had to quote you here. You did misunderstand his analogy. Paper translates to money and if you want to be literal, paper is money and both paper and money have value. So your application paper being thrown away is same as money wrongly used or misappropriated. Then, you can't compare God with mere man. He's Omniscient. If that GM was omniscient, won't he know that I made an application? But God knows that you did tithe (or apply as you say). My brother, that's all that really matters. The effect of the tithe has never been my business and never will be. I'm not a council member in church to be concerned about that. Lol. I laughed at this. He wasn't "comparing" but was giving an "analogy". If you also claim God is all powerful, why do we "pray" that our "prayers" get to God since He listens to our heart? Why do we "pray" that the angels take our "prayers" to God after all he sees our hearts and knows our needs? You also claim that the effect of the tithe is not your business because you're not a council member, you can as well give your tithe to thieves and sorcerers and all. If you really do not care about how this same Gospel you're currently preaching will be propagated. Or you assume God will come consume the offering with fire like he did in those days as recorded in the Bible? |
Re: Believers' Place by HFOG(f): 2:44pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
starlingslimnet:You haven't directly said that but you've said one or two things to indicate your variance with the manner of tithe giving and usage in the church. Concerning the question you asked I gave you possible answers. Food for priests, levites, Israelites, widows, orphans or even God. Pls take your choice. I'll be fine with whichever you pick. I am only trying to fast forward to the exact aim of your question and how relevant it is to our salvation. Let me allow you state clearly the point you're really driving at because you're yet to do that. 1 Like |
Re: Believers' Place by Nobody: 3:17pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
HFOG:I have no problem with tithe as much except that it suppress the benevolent grace of giving in bellievers.But I do have a problem with offerings usage in fellowships....why do you think despite the much availability of technology the Gospel is yet to circulate your home town talkless of your state?While it takes the early church to just three years to conquer a whole continent?It's misuse of offerings. It will surprise you to know we have pastor collecting 1million as salary....Tell me Mrs in what way is this Biblical? Or you suggest we keep quiet and Let the church continue in rebellion against God? |
Re: Believers' Place by HFOG(f): 3:21pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
Talking about the GM and someone applying for something and relating that to God doesn't exactly fit in to me. To conclude that when I give to a church system that misappropriates funds I'll miss the blessing of giving because God would not have a record of my giving would not be right even Scripturally. That translates to faulting God as limited in knowledge and bias in judgement. Why are we so hasty to pass judgement not just on the church leaders but even God? During Jesus' time, He condemned the religious rulers for their hypocrisy severally but he never told his followers to rebel against them or their teachings. He even told his listeners to obey the teachings of the Pharisees but not their lifestyles. He talked about them exploiting widows yet He commended the widow that gave her mite in the temple. We would be taking too much into our hands by assuming the position of criticizing every religious leader who collects tithes and offerings. If you have evidence of their unfaithfulness what is the right thing to do? If you approach them and they refuse to turn a new leaf, what next? Does broadcasting their evil ways and convincing others to shun giving solve anything? What does the Bible recommend? We must realise that the easiest person to change is ourselves and we all would give account of ourselves before God. If as you walk with God, He persuaded and instructed you to quit giving tithes, good for you. Many times we focus on frivolities and ignore the priorities. Giving is taught everywhere in the Bible. Whether it is giving in the church or to the poor and whatever percentage it is God's Word gives you us principles to guide our giving. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. Cc Kaboninc starlingslimnet 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Believers' Place by HFOG(f): 3:42pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
starlingslimnet:Do you pay tax? Why? Do you know that most political leaders in charge of our taxes are unfaithful? What do we then gain from paying tax? About paying Pastors... If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? And they which wait at the clubs are partakers with the altar? Even so has the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. 1 Like |
Re: Believers' Place by HFOG(f): 3:45pm On Jul 17, 2015 |
starlingslimnet:I've just done that. I think I have answered you on the food thingy too. Thanks |
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