Nihilist:
There is no similarity in Ramires and Vidal's game in my opinion.

Vidal is a destroyer, and he's on of the best in the world at winning the ball and breaking up play.

Ramires is more of an all-rounder with pace, who does everything at an acceptable level, but doesn't really excel at anything.

True that, i'll even add that Vidal is a lot better with the ball at his feet than most pundits give him credit for, i watched him play at the Copa America with a team whose philosophy is possession based and i think he excelled...

SIRcumalot:

He is joining a Team that plays possession football so he can absolutely flourish in that system.
I like Ramires, and if Vidal is Ramires 2.0 that isn't a bad thing.

Okay..

coogar:
ramires is about 8 steps behind arturo vidal. i like ramires a lot but he's not in the same echelon as vidal in marshalling the midfield. there's a difference between sleep & death!

Vidal is better than Ramires. Yes! But their game play is almost the same thing.. Bully the ball out of the opponents hand, then start running..

You are just giving Pirlo's credit to Vidal anyhow.. Anytime Vidal is playing against a top team, he is sitting on a Time Bomb..

See, how Modern DMs/CMs play na..

Bimffo:


Vidal is better than Ramires. Yes! But their game play is almost the same thing.. Bully the ball out of the opponents hand, then start running..

You are just giving Pirlo's credit to Vidal anyhow.. Anytime Vidal is playing against a top team, he is sitting on a Time Bomb..

See, how Modern DMs/CMs play na..

Their game is NOT the same thing....
Pep and Bayern are obsessed with keeping possession...and they are signing him.
What does that tell you?

I think your problem is failing to see that not every DM\CM plays the Busquet\Carrick\Pirlo role whose duties include dictating tempo to almost metronomic effect.

A modern DM/CM can be a deep lying playmaker (Pirlo\Busquet), a destroyer/anchorman type(makalele\song\matic), or a box to box cm(Essien\Vidal\Ramsey)

Stop conflating 'modern cm' with playmaker.

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Nihilist:



Their game is NOT the same thing....
Pep and Bayern are obsessed with keeping possession...and they are signing him.
What does that tell you?

I think your problem is failing to see that not every DM\CM plays the Busquet\Carrick\Pirlo role whose duties include dictating tempo to almost metronomic effect.

A modern DM/CM can be a deep lying playmaker (Pirlo\Busquet), a destroyer/anchorman type(makalele\song\matic), or a box to box cm(Essien\Vidal\Ramsey)

Stop conflating 'modern cm' with playmaker.

Good.. A box to box player, that runs, runs and runs.. We have box to box players that play with the ball at their feet..

Ramires is a box to box CM, and he runs like Vidal.. We have Yaya Toure who plays as a box to box CM and don't do unnecessary runnings when its advisable to pass..

I am not saying Vidal is not a good player, what I am just saying is He is more of a Ramires than a Yaya Toure or Essien.. Yea, he is good at intercepting the ball with all his rough tackles but He is still not as effective as Yaya Toure.. And that's not the kind of player We need at Chelsea.

And if he goes to Bayern, Good for them.. At least, we have a Cuadrado to deal with, Who is also good at running ahead of the ball been distributed to him..

B4 Cuadrado joined Chelsea, he was the best thing after Party jollof, and we all liked him..

Nihilist:



Their game is NOT the same thing....
Pep and Bayern are obsessed with keeping possession...and they are signing him.
What does that tell you?

I think your problem is failing to see that not every DM\CM plays the Busquet\Carrick\Pirlo role whose duties include dictating tempo to almost metronomic effect.

A modern DM/CM can be a deep lying playmaker (Pirlo\Busquet), a destroyer/anchorman type(makalele\song\matic), or a box to box cm(Essien\Vidal\Ramsey)

Stop conflating 'modern cm' with playmaker.

Song is not a destroyer, can't even tackle or intercept to save his life. He is not like Coquelin and others, He is an average b2b midfielder.

LVG confirms we need two more signings.. Must be a CB nd a CF

@ parrot

I love the pictures.

I want to see these guys play and hope all this paparazzi will be translated to scintillating sexy effective and purposeful football.

Na league we wan win oo and qualify for CL proper and put up a good showing. I hear we can meet some stubborn unpredictable but reasonably good teams in the CL qualifying matches..

We have not seen these new guys play with the old guys, we only feel the right signings are being don and hopefully will translate to the type of soccer synonymous with United which ultimately means trophies.

Bimffo:


Good.. A box to box player, that runs, runs and runs.. We have box to box players that play with the ball at their feet..

Ramires is a box to box CM, and he runs like Vidal.. We have Yaya Toure who plays as a box to box CM and don't do unnecessary runnings when its advisable to pass..

I am not saying Vidal is not a good player, what I am just saying is He is more of a Ramires than a Yaya Toure or Essien.. Yea, he is good at intercepting the ball with all his rough tackles but He is still not as effective as Yaya Toure.. And that's not the kind of player We need at Chelsea.

And if he goes to Bayern, Good for them.. At least, we have a Cuadrado to deal with, Who is also good at running ahead of the ball been distributed to him..

B4 Cuadrado joined Chelsea, he was the best thing after Party jollof, and we all liked him..

Define 'effective'

Vidal is a better midfielder than Yaya Toure.

Yaya is the biggest scam sold to English football. I've lost count of the number of times he was disgraced by above average European midfielders

If we say Gareth Bales game is similar to Ronaldo can we then call Ronaldo Bale 2.0

Or Cleverly plays like Xavi so Xavi is cleverly 2.0
Or Busquets is Mikel 2.0

In every footballing terms vidal is better than 95% of midfielder in the epl.

Ramires can't get a start in that average chelsea midfield. Ramires can't start in midfield for any top team.

Let's now many top teams would bench vidal in the whole of Europe. If vidal moves to chelsea he would immediately be the best midfielder

raumdeuter:
Vidal is a better midfielder than Yaya Toure.

Yaya is the biggest scam sold to English football. I've lost count of the number of times he was disgraced by above average European midfielders

If we say Gareth Bales game is similar to Ronaldo can we then call Ronaldo Bale 2.0

Or Cleverly plays life Xavi so Xavi is cleverly 2.0
Or Busquets is Mikel 2.0

In every footballing terms vidal is better than 95% of midfielder in the epl.

Ramires can't get a start in that average chelsea midfield. Ramires can't start in midfield for any top team.

Let's now many top teams would bench vidal in the whole of Europe. If vidal moves to chelsea he would immediately be the best midfielder

Vidal better than Yaya?? Come On!

You believe in stats.. Please pull them Out and check..

Xavi is Cleverly 7.0..

Bimffo:


Vidal better than Yaya?? Come On!

You believe in stats.. Please pull them Out and check..

Xavi is Cleverly 7.0..

I believe in performance in big games. Not Players who bully Hull Reading and wolves and are sodomized everytime they play a decent team.
Yaya is an absolute fraud when it comes to the big games.

How many CL games has Yaya been disgraced in the past 4 seasons

Nihilist:


Define 'effective'

I mean, decisive marking, decisive passing, Spilting the defence with through balls, and general reading of the game from defence to attack..

We all know what happened to ManCity when Yaya left for Africa Nations Cup Last season..

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The 28-year-old is set to sign a five-year contract.

Hope this will make De Gea stay and put pen to paper.


http://www.espnfc.com/story/2526229/real-madrid-agree-deal-to-sign-espanyol-keeper-kiko-casilla

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#smallclubvsbigclub

raumdeuter:


I believe in performance in big games. Not Players who bully Hull Reading and wolves and are sodomized everytime they play a decent team.
Yaya is an absolute fraud when it comes to the big games.

How many CL games has Yaya been disgraced in the past 4 seasons

Yes, it has been woes in Europe for Yaya.. But don't let us deny the fact that his teammates do let him down most times..

Bimffo:


I mean, decisive marking, decisive passing, Spilting the defence with through balls, and general reading of the game from defence to attack..

We all know what happened to ManCity when Yaya left for Africa Nations Cup Last season..

But Yaya doesn't defend though. Even his biggest fan boys won't deny that Yaya has a problem tracking back.

You mean you want Yaya's attacking ability and Vidal's defensive abilities in one player?

You're better off expecting Raumdeuter to start supporting Arsenal.

raumdeuter:


I believe in performance in big games. Not Players who bully Hull Reading and wolves and are sodomized everytime they play a decent team.
Yaya is an absolute fraud when it comes to the big games.

How many CL games has Yaya been disgraced in the past 4 seasons

Why you dey talk like say Yaya never win UCL before ?
I suppose this your new found love for Vidal has nothing to do with him joining your team recently ?

Bimffo:


Yes, it has been woes in Europe for Yaya.. But don't let us deny the fact that his teammates do let him down most times..

His teammates let himdown or he lets his teammates down.

he is usually the worst player for City on most European nights. We have seen Aguero deliver on European nights we have seen Silva even Nasri, even Joe Hart.

But Yaya get sodomised by Ajax and even CSKA

Last season City was about to be knocked out UNTIL Yaya was red carded. Guess how they fared when he was suspended? They won 2 unliely games vs Bayern in Etihad and vs Roma in Rome

CL last season City played 8 games: 5 games with Yaya Toure 0 wins(2 games vs CSKA, vs Roma in Etihad and vs Bayern). 3 games without Yaya 2 wins 1 loss (vs Bayern Roma in Rome and Barca)

Yaya is the one hindering City success in EUrope

Ucl qualifying round draw (ties 28/29 July & 4/5 August) League route
Panathinaikos FC (GRE) v Club Brugge KV (BEL)
BSC Young Boys (SUI) v AS Monaco FC (FRA)
PFC CSKA Moskva (RUS) v AC Sparta Praha (CZE)
SK Rapid Wien (AUT) v AFC Ajax (NED)
Fenerbahçe SK (TUR) v FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR)

Bye to play-offs: Manchester United FC (ENG), Valencia CF (ESP), Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER), Sporting Clube de Portugal (POR), SS Lazio (ITA)


Champions route FK Sarajevo (BIH)/KKS Lech Poznań (POL) v FC Basel 1893 (SUI)
PFC Ludogorets Razgrad (BUL)/FC Milsami Orhei (MDA) v KF Skënderbeu (ALB)/Crusaders FC (NIR)
FK Ventspils (LVA)/HJK Helsinki (FIN) v NK Maribor (SVN)/FC Astana (KAZ)
Celtic FC (SCO)/Stjarnan (ISL) v Qarabağ FK (AZE)/FK Rudar Pljevlja (MNE)
FK AS Trenčín (SVK)/FC Steaua Bucureşti (ROU) v FK Partizan (SRB)/FC Dila Gori (GEO)
FC Midtjylland (DEN)/Lincoln FC (GIB) v APOEL FC (CYP)/FK Vardar (MKD)
Hibernians FC (MLT)/ Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR) v FC Viktoria Plzeň (CZE)
GNK Dinamo Zagreb (CRO)/CS Fola Esch (LUX) v Molde FK (NOR)/FC Pyunik (ARM)
The New Saints FC (WAL)/Videoton FC (HUN) v FC BATE Borisov (BLR)/Dundalk FC (IRL)
FC Salzburg (AUT) v Malmö FF (SWE)/FK Žalgiris Vilnius (LTU)

• Second qualifying round second legs played on Tuesday and Wednesday : first-leg results


Road to Milan Play-off draw: 12.00CET, 7 August, Nyon Play-off, first leg: 18/19 August Play-off, second leg: 25/26 August Bye to group stage: Pot 1: FC Barcelona (ESP, holders), FC Bayern München (GER), Chelsea FC (ENG), SL Benfica (POR), Paris Saint-Germain (FRA). Juventus (ITA), FC Zenit (RUS), PSV Eindhoven (NED)
Other pots: Real Madrid CF (ESP), Club Atlético de Madrid (ESP), FC Porto (POR), Arsenal FC (ENG), Manchester City FC (ENG), Sevilla FC (ESP), Olympique Lyonnais (FRA), FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR), Olympiacos FC (GRE), AS Roma (ITA), VfL Borussia Mönchengladbach (GER), VfL Wolfsburg (GER), KAA Gent (BEL)
Group stage draw: 17.45CET, 27 August, Monaco Matchday one: 15/16 September
Matchday two: 29/30 September
Matchday three: 20/21 October
Matchday four: 3/4 November
Matchday five: 24/25 November
Matchday six: 8/9 December

Round of 16 draw: 12.00CET, 14 December, Nyon Round of 16, first leg: 16/17/23/24 February
Round of 16, second leg: 8/9/15/16 March
Quarter-final draw: 12.00CET, 18 March, Nyon
Quarter-final, first leg: 5/6 April
Quarter-final second leg: 12/13 April
Semi-final draw: 12.00CET, 15 April. Nyon
Semi-final, first leg: 26/27 April
Semi-final, second leg: 3/4 May
Final: 20.45CET, 28 May, San Siro

SIRcumalot:

Why you dey talk like say Yaya never win UCL before ?
I suppose this your new found love for Vidal has nothing to do with him joining your team recently ?

Yaya won the CL and was immediately shipped off to be replaced by a rookie. Tell us any other good player who had that same scenario

New found love for Vidal? Before anyone here knew about Vidal Bayern has been trying to sign him 5yrs ago

Below was what Juup Heynckes has to say about Vidal 5 yrs ago

" Heynckes, who is full of praise for the Chileans," This is a street footballer. Goes into an aircraft, curls up and sleeps, because running from automatism, fantastic - and he also plays football. Arturo could play on a concrete pitch. "

Aside Schweinsteiger when fit, I dont know any better box to box midfielder than Vidal

http://backpagefootball.com/the-rise-of-arturo-vidal-%E2%80%93-the-bundesliga%E2%80%99s-most-complete-player/19891/

''Real madrid grabs Espanyol goalkeeper, Kiko Casilla. Good news for Manchester united?

Nihilist:


But Yaya doesn't defend though. Even his biggest fan boys won't deny that Yaya has a problem tracking back.

You mean you want Yaya's attacking ability and Vidal's defensive abilities in one player?

You're better off expecting Raumdeuter to start supporting Arsenal.

Lol.. Actually, Yaya doesn't have the same work rate as Vidal, and I agree with you about him not tracking back, but he helps the defence once in a While, despite his age..

But I will still take a Toure's type of Box to box CM to Vidal's own..

Raumdeuter, don't bring Schweinsteiger into the same context with Vidal.. Its a fucking insult on Bastian..

After Schweinsteiger, Vidal?? Maybe Vidal of 5 Years ago.. Not the one that played the last Champions league Final..