starlingslimnet:
Summary is the church should retrace her step because she had erred and soil her garment with greediness

And you're perfect?? No. The church has erred in what way now?? Tithe-related issues??
What are you doing about the mistakes of the church? Are you helping to reconcile them to God? Or are you making it worse by apportioning blames and spreading the wrong doings??
Like HFOG said, God's ways are not our ways, neither are His thoughts like ours.
"Let him that thinks he stands take heed; lest he fall".

starlingslimnet:
Of course not but you have,if your tithe is spent on pastors who are supposed to feed themselves.

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What?? You mean you know what tithes should be used for?? See me see blessing!!
Seriously? My dear, has it occurred to you that you're trying to play God?? In Leviticus, the priests, Levites, we are made to know didn't work. But of course, the ate. What did they eat?? Manna? They even ate some of the offerings! As they were directed.
Now, there was a special bread, just for the priests. Where did it come from
You need to change this mindset please. OK. Some pastors have become greedy. But swidy, are to judge? It isn't our place to! God is more than able to repay every man according as his work is.
You're trying to understand God's ways?? Sorry but I gotta tell you you'll fail.
Geez! Minus even church issue sef, with this attitude, you'll have problems. You want to know what all your money us used for?? There's bound to be frictions. Because I personally, were I your wife, can't account for all what the money is used for. Not that I can't, but I won't!

Imagine you give me money monthly for upkeep, and then decide what I should buy with it. Wrong! Or decide what hairstyle I should make just because you're paying for it. So wrong! You're trying to control everything dear. Let it go.

Do your part.

davien:
can't anyone answer my question here?

starlingslimnet:
The Kingdom of God is not a field yet Christ compared it to it.If you can't understand parables how will you understand Christ? God has principles my brother.I will Stop at that.

HFOG:

You're asking your question on the wrong thread sir. We do not intend to defy the purpose why this thread was created. Many thanks for understanding

kaboninc:


I had to quote you here. You did misunderstand his analogy. Paper translates to money and if you want to be literal, paper is money and both paper and money have value. So your application paper being thrown away is same as money wrongly used or misappropriated.



Lol. I laughed at this. He wasn't "comparing" but was giving an "analogy". If you also claim God is all powerful, why do we "pray" that our "prayers" get to God since He listens to our heart? Why do we "pray" that the angels take our "prayers" to God after all he sees our hearts and knows our needs?

You also claim that the effect of the tithe is not your business because you're not a council member, you can as well give your tithe to thieves and sorcerers and all. If you really do not care about how this same Gospel you're currently preaching will be propagated. Or you assume God will come consume the offering with fire like he did in those days as recorded in the Bible?

HFOG:
Talking about the GM and someone applying for something and relating that to God doesn't exactly fit in to me. To conclude that when I give to a church system that misappropriates funds I'll miss the blessing of giving because God would not have a record of my giving would not be right even Scripturally. That translates to faulting God as limited in knowledge and bias in judgement. Why are we so hasty to pass judgement not just on the church leaders but even God? During Jesus' time, He condemned the religious rulers for their hypocrisy severally but he never told his followers to rebel against them or their teachings. He even told his listeners to obey the teachings of the Pharisees but not their lifestyles. He talked about them exploiting widows yet He commended the widow that gave her mite in the temple. We would be taking too much into our hands by assuming the position of criticizing every religious leader who collects tithes and offerings. If you have evidence of their unfaithfulness what is the right thing to do? If you approach them and they refuse to turn a new leaf, what next? Does broadcasting their evil ways and convincing others to shun giving solve anything? What does the Bible recommend? We must realise that the easiest person to change is ourselves and we all would give account of ourselves before God. If as you walk with God, He persuaded and instructed you to quit giving tithes, good for you. Many times we focus on frivolities and ignore the priorities. Giving is taught everywhere in the Bible. Whether it is giving in the church or to the poor and whatever percentage it is God's Word gives you us principles to guide our giving.
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
Cc Kaboninc starlingslimnet

starlingslimnet:
It was given to the givers in Deut 14:22-29 perhaps you have not read it before and pastors avoid the place also. This is why you must know what your offerings is used for.

elantraceey:


So you really need scriptures to know that the church is God's house?

4rmGuest2Member:


I'll begin to call you my Aunty in the Lord for this. God bless You.

davien:
So in other words you want everyone to keep quite and swallow your views...typical!

HFOG:

If that's what you choose to understand it's perfectly fine by me. You're entitled to your opinion. :-)

starlingslimnet:
lol......it is a good thing to do so......That's why we are here discussing.... you might not realize have learnt previous things from you today

davien:
Only not here as you've pointed out...only your opinions and goals matter...

4rmGuest2Member:
Please, let's stick to the PURPOSE of this thread. I've realised that no matter what is said here, to convince some fellows would take them having personal encounters with God which I don't think they wanna have.

This tithe talk has become a distraction for me and I won't even talk about it anymore. There are 'unbelieving believers' here and maybe atheists here too to shift our focus from our mutual edification.

It'll be easy for us to just ignore, really. For now, let's forget tithes!

So, who has some RHEMA to SHARE?

elantraceey:



I've stopped deliberating on this tithe issue a long time ago till when God is ready to teach me personally on it but I pay my tithe consistently and I tell you I reap the fruits and also encourage people to pay theirs. But there's one thing I know is that this world has been cursed from the beginning and so is it's fruit but we are not cursed and when I pay my tithe , God sanctifies the remaining 90% . I can't remember when last I could not account for my money or when I had to waste in on sickness or unimportant issues , this is just my believe. Whatsoever happens to the tithe after I pay it is not my business.

HFOG:

So have I sinned if I choose to give my tithe to a church or pastor?

4rmGuest2Member:
Today, I went to 'my secret place' just to worship God. Mehn, it was lovely spending such a short time with Him this afternoon. Just telling Him how much I love Him and how much He means to me. I couldn't just hold back those tears.

Oh, how I love to worship Him. Oh, how He loves to be worshipped. I just need more of His grace to draw near unto Him.

HFOG:

Many thanks for this reminder. Truth is talking would achieve little or nothing till one has an encounter with the Lord. We need to pray and God'll reach out to sincere seekers. I initially wanted to ignore the tithe thingy but your reply to that illustration of a person applying to work somewhere gave me some morale. I'm thinking I still have a little space in my heart to reply one or two things so please bear with me. I think it's becoming obvious that struggling with tithe giving or usage is not really one of the essentials of the gospel. Sooner or later it will fade away.

Alezy:
no dear, not at all. But alot of pastor's make it look like we must bring it to church and make it look big and even go ahead to say we rub God and there re curses. that's misleading the ppl.

starlingslimnet:

Maybe it's time I asked you questions too...

Where in the Bible did Christ teach the disciples to pay Tithe? or the Apostles urge the church to pay tithe?

HFOG:

Unfortunately your words can't make us feel guilty neither can it make us change our purpose for the thread. Because your words are simply a statement of your opinion not necessarily a statement of fact. Btw, we're derailing if you do not mind. :-P

starlingslimnet:

If someone is getting paid for his function aren't I supposed to be paid for being a song writer and teacher since that is my function?And aren't you supposed to be paid for your functions? Or you are telling me one part is important than the other?

davien:
It's not meant to make you guilty or are you feeling guilty?....Anyone here who isn't biased can see what i'm saying....you just opened a thread in an open forum for yourself and excluded any other opinion but those that you're okay with..

HFOG:

First off, I didn't open this thread.

Two, we won't be having this conversation if I excluded you.

Three, is it a crime to open a thread for a certain purpose and for a certain group of people?

Four, you're still entitled to stating your opinions and sentiments. Don't forget though, that they don't necessarily equate statements of facts.

Finally and perhaps most importantly, I have noticed you, okay? Like seriously. I mean I'm yet to open your profile though and check out your posts because I've not seen a reason for that. But all the same, I am still wondering what part of the owner's manual for this thread you do not understand.

davien:
sorry,my mistake...
It is my opinion you wish to exclude..
No it's not a crime..but then you are in an open forum so there is no such thing as an isolated topic..
I never claimed anything to be a fact so far nor shoved any opinion on anyone...i simply want that question answered if it's not too much trouble..
I understand it and i've pointed out to also have been a "winner",and then forwarded a question you keep sweeping quitely under the rug with cheap diversion tactics..

HFOG:

Sir, do have a restful night and visions of heaven. I'm out please. Many thanks for your time. Blessings. :-)