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[size=13pt]South Africa Has Only 6 Gripen pilots, but zero qualified for combat [/size]

jl115:

Ill give you a citation when you give me a citation that SAAF only has 9 pilots!

SAAF actually has ONLY 6 pilots, the 9 is just doing you a favour for ego sake.

"By 2013, around half of the SAAF’s front line force of 26 Saab Gripens – 17 single-seat Gripen Cs and nine two-seater Ds – had been placed in storage. An estimated six to 10 were available for flight, but a shortage of pilots meant only around six were capable of being flown on any one day."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

Now you show me a source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots
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agaugust:


Oh ! You agree? The fools on defenceweb that were arguing with me this week said Egypt deos not even have BVR missiles, they think South Africa is better than the whole world. LOL.

The top 10 air forces in Africa are :

1. Egypt.
2. Algeria
3. Morocco
4. Ethiopia
5. Eritrea
6. Sudan
7. Uganda
8. Angola
9. Nigeria
10. South Africa
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Nigeria without modern fighters is bad. It has only three operational attack fighters.


too bad.

My list.

1. Egypt.
2. Algeria
3. South Africa
4. Ethiopia
5. Morocco
6. Uganda
7. Sudan
8. Angola
9. Eritrea
10. Nigeria

agaugust:


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[size=13pt]South Africa Has Only 6 Gripen pilots, but zero qualified for combat [/size]




SAAF actually has ONLY 6 pilots, the 9 is just doing you a favour for ego sake.

"By 2013, around half of the SAAF’s front line force of 26 Saab Gripens – 17 single-seat Gripen Cs and nine two-seater Ds – had been placed in storage. An estimated six to 10 were available for flight, but a shortage of pilots meant only around six were capable of being flown on any one day."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

Now you show me a source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots
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That's a lie. South Africa has nine gripen pilots Instructors


Do you call that half done source a sufficient proof that SAAF has six pilots? Shame, you must be desperate indeed.

APART FROM SIX SAAF GRIPEN PILOTS WHO WERE TRAINED IN SWEDEN. SAAF REVEALED THE FIRST THREE LOCALLY TRAINED GRIPEN PILOTS IN 2010.


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9934:saaf-solos-first-gripen-pilots-&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

AGAUGUST FAILED BIG TIME.


http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/934/combat-pilots-secrets-out


I quote:

Coincidentally, Mbhokota is one of the six who were trained in Sweden.
Solo flights
On this occasion three pilots, including the first female Gripen pilot, and a navigator conducted their first solo flights.
This brings the total number of trained pilots to nine, with another three to follow next year.


PEOPLE SAAF HAS BEEN TRAINING PILOTS EVERY YEAR. HAWK PILOTS HAVE BEEN GRADUATING TO GRIPEN PLATFORM BUT THE NEWS DONT COVER THAT. HAWKS IS MERELY USED AS A TRAINING PLATFORM FOR GRIPEN.

agaugust:


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[size=13pt]South Africa Has Only 6 Gripen pilots, but zero qualified for combat [/size]




SAAF actually has ONLY 6 pilots, the 9 is just doing you a favour for ego sake.

"By 2013, around half of the SAAF’s front line force of 26 Saab Gripens – 17 single-seat Gripen Cs and nine two-seater Ds – had been placed in storage. An estimated six to 10 were available for flight, but a shortage of pilots meant only around six were capable of being flown on any one day."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

Now you show me a source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots
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You still at it after so many citations to the contrary. Your source states nothing about pilots so why the lies.

I know for a fact that there are more then 19 combat ready Gripen pilots with others in reserve who are also used as flight instructors to keep them up to date.

With the approval of the defense review we've seen a few changes already though no new funds have been allocated.

You are just being foolish again with those claims, its the same nonsense that the DA opposition party shadow minister has punted until he had to shut his mouth when the parliamentary oversight committee came to visit two AFB bases and saw for themselves what the state of affairs were.

Whether NAF has 3 or 6 pilots is irrelevant to state the most, because for a airforce with such old useless aircraft you should not be boasting because your airforce is obsolete even by African standards.

By the way explain to me what is meant by combat qualified, I would love to take you here your rants and insults on this issue.

Lastly I see you got your Ass whipped on defenceweb

mzilakazi:


It doesn't matter how high the South African murder rate is, Nigeria would always have more than double number of murders than South Africa.

Dictatatorzar has already published the figures for us....it didn't help your submissions one bit

I want to see all south Africans Jews, whites, asians and Zulus standing in a file and singing one tune don't tell me my SU30 has hit the target.

jln115:

You do realize your source is a blog right? And again officially its 46!!

Don't be greedy! I can get you more Now is that enough or should I add some flavour?

Snydergp1:


You still at it after so many citations to the contrary. Your source states nothing about pilots so why the lies.

I know for a fact that there are more then 19 combat ready Gripen pilots with others in reserve who are also used as flight instructors to keep them up to date.

With the approval of the defense review we've seen a few changes already though no new funds have been allocated.

You are just being foolish again with those claims, its the same nonsense that the DA opposition party shadow minister has punted until he had to shut his mouth when the parliamentary oversight committee came to visit two AFB bases and saw for themselves what the state of affairs were.

Whether NAF has 3 or 6 pilots is irrelevant to state the most, because for a airforce with such old useless aircraft you should not be boasting because your airforce is obsolete even by African standards.

By the way explain to me what is meant by combat qualified, I would love to take you here your rants and insults on this issue.

Lastly I see you got your Ass whipped on defenceweb

Oh ! defenceweb forum? The place where Nigerian small boy Augustine opened a free education classroom where I educated 10 SAAF pilots who did not know that Egypt, Ethiopia, and tiny Eritrea all have BVR missiles. Your Southie military men thought that since South African air force does not have BVR missiles, then no country in Africa has it.....until Augustine educated your Soweto air force officers free of charge.

Southies forced to eat humble pie on their own homeland defenceweb site, forced by a Nigerian military researcher

Meanwhile SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots and 0 combat qualified.
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Lezzlie:


Don't be greedy! I can get you more Now is that enough or should I add some flavour?

[size=13pt]
LOL, South Africans have over-killed themselves such that they lost count of numbers....coffin/casket sales, private mortuary, funeral undertaker career are all big business there o ![/size]
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agaugust:


Oh ! defenceweb forum? The place where I Augustine opened a free education classroom where I educated 10 SAAF pilots who did not know that Egypt, Ethiopia, and tiny Eritrea all have BVR missiles. Your Southie military men thought that since South African air force does not have BVR missiles, then no country in Africa has it.....until Augustine educated your Soweto air force officers free of charge.

Southies forced to eat humble pie on their own homeland defenceweb site, forced by a Nigerian military researcher

Meanwhile SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots and 0 combat qualified.
.

I see you haven't changed one bit. You lie so much that you started believing yourself. You couldn't even answer some credible questions on that site and when you were schooled you started with the usual nairaland slants by turning to race.

Tell me have you ever sat foot onto any 4gen fighter.

The problem with you is that you think and believe that a missile makes a good fighter yet you totally lack the expertise and knowledge to know that its the overall systems which dictates an outcome of air to air combat.

You can fire a BVR missile but it depends on the opposing forces radar and EW systems including defensive missiles like IRST and A-Datar which can either fool the missile or destroy it. The other factors you also fail to recordnize is that today Airforces fight under umbrellas of ECW's and ground defense systems like GBADS and CRAM which is data linked and can also affect air combat outcomes. The BVR systems of Ethiopia are all outdated and including the russian R-73 missiles which are getting replaced by R-77's. A Gripen armed with A-Datar and next years Meteors are capable of taking on any current fighter with or without AESA systems.

Meanwhile NAF has less then 3 pilots and non operational fleet of Mig 21's.

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Snydergp1:


I see you haven't changed one bit. You lie so much that you started believing yourself. You couldn't even answer some credible questions on that site and when you were schooled you started with the usual nairaland slants by turning to race.

Tell me have you ever sat foot onto any 4gen fighter.

The problem with you is that you think and believe that a missile makes a good fighter yet you totally lack the expertise and knowledge to know that its the overall systems which dictates an outcome of air to air combat.

You can fire a BVR missile but it depends on the opposing forces radar and EW systems including defensive missiles like IRST and A-Datar which can either fool the missile or destroy it. The other factors you also fail to recordnize is that today Airforces fight under umbrellas of ECW's and ground defense systems like GBADS and CRAM which is data linked and can also affect air combat outcomes. The BVR systems of Ethiopia are all outdated and including the russian R-73 missiles which are getting replaced by R-77's. A Gripen armed with A-Datar and next years Meteors are capable of taking on any current fighter with or without AESA systems.

Meanwhile NAF has less then 3 pilots and non operational fleet of Mig 21's.

[size=30] BOOOOOM!!!!!!!

You killed him.[/size]

agaugust:


[size=13pt]
LOL, South Africans have over-killed themselves such that they lost count of numbers....coffin/casket sales, private mortuary, funeral undertaker career are all big business there o ![/size]
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It doesn't matter how much we kill ourselves but Nigeria's total number of murders will always double the number of murders of South Africa.

Lezzlie:
Don't be greedy! I can get you more Now is that enough or should I add some flavour?

Dude post as much as you want, officially its 46!

agaugust:


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[size=13pt]South Africa Has Only 6 Gripen pilots, but zero qualified for combat [/size]




SAAF actually has ONLY 6 pilots, the 9 is just doing you a favour for ego sake.

"By 2013, around half of the SAAF’s front line force of 26 Saab Gripens – 17 single-seat Gripen Cs and nine two-seater Ds – had been placed in storage. An estimated six to 10 were available for flight, but a shortage of pilots meant only around six were capable of being flown on any one day."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

Now you show me a source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots
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WRONG!!!! Source is outdated!! SAAF had 18 Gripen aircrew in 2013!!!!! thus 14 pilots.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31821

agaugust:


Oh ! defenceweb forum? The place where Nigerian small boy Augustine opened a free education classroom where I educated 10 SAAF pilots who did not know that Egypt, Ethiopia, and tiny Eritrea all have BVR missiles. Your Southie military men thought that since South African air force does not have BVR missiles, then no country in Africa has it.....until Augustine educated your Soweto air force officers free of charge.

Southies forced to eat humble pie on their own homeland defenceweb site, forced by a Nigerian military researcher

Meanwhile SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots and 0 combat qualified.
.

AGAUGIST YOU NOW HAVE TURNED A LUNATIC IN A BIG WAY. I HAVE ALSO SEEN THAT THEY DON'T EVEN CONSIDER YOUR POSTS TO BE SERIOUS ON DEFENCEWEB. YOU'VE TRIED SO HARD TO CONVINCE BUT YOU FAILED. SHAME.

agaugust:


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[size=13pt][s]South Africa Has Only 6 Gripen pilots, but zero qualified for combat [/size]




SAAF actually has ONLY 6 pilots, the 9 is just doing you a favour for ego sake.

"By 2013, around half of the SAAF’s front line force of 26 Saab Gripens – 17 single-seat Gripen Cs and nine two-seater Ds – had been placed in storage. An estimated six to 10 were available for flight, but a shortage of pilots meant only around six were capable of being flown on any one day."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

Now you show me a source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots [/s]
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still posting that story?

How many times have you posted it

and how many times have we posted the story that corrected the false statements made in the article?

You are truly pathetic

agaugust:


[size=13pt]
LOL, South Africans have over-killed themselves such that they lost count of numbers....coffin/casket sales, private mortuary, funeral undertaker career are all big business there o ![/size]
.

And they are also good at falsifying figures and stats officially.

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jln115:

WRONG!!!! Source is outdated!! SAAF had 18 Gripen aircrew in 2013!!!!! thus 14 pilots.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31821

N O P E !!!!!

My source is more current than yours !

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

My source is 2014....Your source is 2013 so you are the outdated one posting an almost two year old source.

Now SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots with 0 qualified for combat.

SAAF is dead like Nelson Madiba Mandela

Now you show me a source that says NAF has 3 F-7 jet pilots, I have shown you source that SAAF has 6 pilots so it's your turn to prove your own claim....or you surrender to Augustine like your countrymen surrendered last week on defenceweb debate....
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mzilakazi:
APART FROM SIX SAAF GRIPEN PILOTS WHO WERE TRAINED IN SWEDEN. SAAF REVEALED THE FIRST THREE LOCALLY TRAINED GRIPEN PILOTS IN 2010.


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9934:saaf-solos-first-gripen-pilots-&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

Your old irrelevant outdated source is 2010, my current correct reliable up to date source is 2014.

SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots....Angola will Räpe South African cities with Su-30 jets and destroy Eskom's already sick power stations throwing SA into pitch black darkness and wreckïng your economy.

Pretoria's economy will fuckïng collapse in one week
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Patchesagain:


still posting that story?

How many times have you posted it

and how many times have we posted the story that corrected the false statements made in the article?

You are truly pathetic

Nope, it's not the same old story, this source is new, just about 9 months ago, it's hot fresh news !

SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots who now fly a paltry 10 to 20 hours a year and thus ZERO combat qualification, this is true, this is serious, Angola will äss räpe the entire nation of South Africa, their Su-30 Flankers will destroy all your G-6 Rhino and other artillery from the air, then Angolan Super Tucanos will massacre SANDF infantry and tanks.

Mandela will dïe second dëath inside his grave o !
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agaugust:


Nope, it's not the same old story, this source is new, just about 9 months ago, it's hot fresh news !

SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots who now fly a paltry 10 to 20 hours a year and thus ZERO combat qualification, this is true, this is serious, Angola will äss räpe the entire nation of South Africa, their Su-30 Flankers will destroy all your G-6 Rhino and other artillery from the air, then Angolan Super Tucanos will massacre SANDF infantry and tanks.

Mandela will dïe second dëath inside his grave o !
.

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agaugust:


Nope, it's not the same old story, this source is new, just about 9 months ago, it's hot fresh news !

SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots who now fly a paltry 10 to 20 hours a year and thus ZERO combat qualification, this is true, this is serious, Angola will äss räpe the entire nation of South Africa, their Su-30 Flankers will destroy all your G-6 Rhino and other artillery from the air, then Angolan Super Tucanos will massacre SANDF infantry and tanks.

Mandela will dïe second dëath inside his grave o !
.

Please show source which says "10 to 20 hours a year". Or are you making that up?

ssaengine:


Please show source which says "10 to 20 hours a year". Or are you making that up?

Do the math's and stop asking stupïd questions! Read the analysis and divide the total number of Gripen fleet flying hours by number of pilots. No wonder SAAF is afraid of Angola.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

agaugust:


N O P E !!!!!

My source is more current than yours !

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

My source is 2014....Your source is 2013 so you are the outdated one posting an almost two year old source.

Now SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots with 0 qualified for combat.

SAAF is dead like Nelson Madiba Mandela

Now you show me a source that says NAF has 3 F-7 jet pilots, I have shown you source that SAAF has 6 pilots so it's your turn to prove your own claim....or you surrender to Augustine like your countrymen surrendered last week on defenceweb debate....
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Really?

You are still posting it?

Official word from the SAAF
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-31821/

18 Aircrew
14 Gripen operational
No Gripen ever placed in storage

Thus, minimum of 14 pilots

And, as I have shown in the 2013/14 Gripen pilots averaged 60 hours per year, more than half the french airforce


Dude, this is like the 5th or 6th time you have posted this article, and this is like the 5th or 6th time I have shot you down.

agaugust:


N O P E !!!!!

My source is more current than yours !

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

My source is 2014....Your source is 2013 so you are the outdated one posting an almost two year old source.

Now SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots with 0 qualified for combat.

SAAF is dead like Nelson Madiba Mandela

Now you show me a source that says NAF has 3 F-7 jet pilots, I have shown you source that SAAF has 6 pilots so it's your turn to prove your own claim....or you surrender to Augustine like your countrymen surrendered last week on defenceweb debate....
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No, both sources refer to the same period of time

Your source has been contradicted by the SAAF

Your statement about flight hours has been contradicted by SANDF financial reports (which have been posted here) SAAF pilots average 60 a year

Face it, your source is incorrect - we have official word from the SAAF

You can keep saying the same thing over and over, and I will keep saying the same thing over and over.

And anyway, 6 Gripen pilots is better than 3 F-7 pilots

agaugust:


Nope, it's not the same old story, this source is new, just about 9 months ago, it's hot fresh news !

SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots who now fly a paltry 10 to 20 hours a year and thus ZERO combat qualification, this is true, this is serious, Angola will äss räpe the entire nation of South Africa, their Su-30 Flankers will destroy all your G-6 Rhino and other artillery from the air, then Angolan Super Tucanos will massacre SANDF infantry and tanks.

Mandela will dïe second dëath inside his grave o !
.

No augustus

It refers to the same period of time
It makes the same allegations

Allegations that have been dispelled by the SAAF.

Flight Global simply did not do their research!!

You can post the same story over and over, and I will destroy it over and over

agaugust:


Do the math's and stop asking stupïd questions! Read the analysis and divide the total number of Gripen fleet flying hours by number of pilots. No wonder SAAF is afraid of Angola.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

First of all the article talks about 2013, not 2014. If I write an article today about the 1969 moon landing, does it mean the
moon landing happened today? 20th of July 2015? In any case the article has been disproved by the SAAF.

Secondly, it said 200 hours for Gripen in the article. You said there were 6 pilots. So how do you get "10 to 20 hours a year" when you divide 200 by 6? You see how you just make sh*t up and ruin this thread? Even the likes of Henry120 ran away from here because of this type of non.sense

I dare you as a man, show us where you got "10 to 20 hours a year" from. Or did you make that up Augustine?

The only thing that article is really good for is a nice pic of Gripen

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