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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dopeJemi: 10:06am On Jul 19, 2015
Hmmm

Patience
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bandely(m): 10:07am On Jul 19, 2015
Debroslink:


Which kain bad prayer be dis this Sunday morning?
Just manage to get to @ least semi-final of the UCL before making such prayers. tongue
Happy Sunday to you then! I pray that the prayer is answered! tongue grin
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 10:11am On Jul 19, 2015
bigkesh:

Really poor of Mou....Maybe he is just desperate to get him,probably that's y he used that approach to unsettle the boy
But to think of it,we really need an additional CB. And if mourinho really keeps chasing a player then he sees a great potential in the player
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Bimffo(m): 10:14am On Jul 19, 2015
lordfalcao:
But to think of it,we really need an additional CB. And if mourinho really keeps chasing a player then he sees a great potential in the player

Yea, Like Cuadrado..
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 10:21am On Jul 19, 2015
Bimffo:

Yea, Like Cuadrado..
Mourinho didnt really need cuadrado
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 12:04pm On Jul 19, 2015
SIRcumalot:

Pedro is good but we have too much players that can fill that position except somebody is leaving.

Like who?
United need another striker whether you think so or not to compete.its that simple.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dyabman(m): 12:19pm On Jul 19, 2015
Benteke having medical at Liverpool.. Rodgers 7th signing ! Lol
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 12:39pm On Jul 19, 2015
La Masia is dead though...or dying.

Debroslink, peep this article.

In the 14th minute of Barcelona’s game against Levante on 25 November 2012 Martín Montoya replaced Dani Alves to complete a significant moment in the history of the club. For the first time in Barça’s history, the entire first team comprised of players who had graduated through the club’s historic La Masia academy. Two goals from Lionel Messi and one each from Andrés Iniesta and Cesc Fàbregas sealed a comfortable 4-0 victory on the way to Barcelona’s 22nd league title.

Víctor Valdés, Montoya, Carles Puyol, Gerard Piqué, Jordi Alba, Xavi, Sergio Busquets, Iniesta, Messi, Pedro and Fàbregas were the 11 players would go down in folklore as the realisation of Barcelona’s academy-based approach proposed by Johan Cruyff in the late 1970s. Pep Guardiola, the man who had given debuts to a lot of the players before handing the reins to Tito Vilanova, knew better than anyone what representing Barcelona and Catalan pride meant, having progressed through La Masia himself before amassing over 300 appearances for the club.

Not all of the players were born in Barcelona; Messi travelled over from Argentina as a 13-year-old. Neither had they all gone straight into the first team; Alba was brought back to the club from Valencia at a cost of €14m, Piqué came to the first team via Manchester United and Fàbregas had captained Arsenal before playing for Barcelona. However, they all understood the ethos instilled by Cruyff’s philosophy and nurtured by Guardiola and his coaches, including the sadly departed Vilanova.

Barcelona’s only other transfer outlay before the 2012-13 season – aside from Alba – was the €18m spent to buy Alex Song from Arsenal. Marc Muniesa, Cristian Tello, Jonathan dos Santos, Marc Bartra and Montoya were all promoted to the first-team squad to boost Vilanova’s options. They stormed to the Liga title with 100 points, 15 more than arch-rivals Real Madrid.

The following season saw a similar transfer structure under Tata Martino, who took over from Vilanova in the summer of 2013 in what was a difficult managerial transition. Neymar picked Barcelona over a host of Europe’s elite clubs, while Rafinha, Sergi Roberto, Oier Olazábal and Gerard Deulofeu were promoted from Barcelona B to the senior squad.

However, the 2013-14 window was significant for two reasons. Firstly, Thiago Alcântara, the regal playmaker who was raised in La Masia as the heir to Xavi and Iniesta, followed Guardiola to Bayern Munich for €30m. That Thiago saw first-team opportunities limited enough to leave the Camp Nou, despite the advancing years of Xavi and Iniesta, was a worrying sign for a club that had built a reputation on an unwavering trust in youth.

Secondly, and more importantly, Neymar’s transfer from Santos turned into a boardroom disaster. Sandro Rosell was forced to stand down as president after the €57.1m transfer fee quoted turned out to be closer to €100m. Lawsuits were brought against several of the parties involved in the deal, including Rosell and his successor, Josep Maria Bartomeu, and Neymar’s father.

Barcelona were hit with a transfer ban that would stop them from registering players until January 2016. Planning ahead before the ban was handed down, the club spent almost €170m on Luis Suárez, Jérémy Mathieu, Thomas Vermaelen, Ivan Rakitic, Marc-André ter Stegen, Claudio Bravo and Douglas.

To make way for the influx of new players, La Masia graduates Fàbregas, Tello, Bojan Krkic, Jonathan, Olazábal, Isaac Cuenca, Denis Suárez, Deulofeu, Puyol and Valdés left the club to either retire or pursue careers away from the Camp Nou. Even with the transfer ban in place, Barça have showed few signs of halting their transfer activity, signing Arda Turan from Atlético Madrid for £24m and Aleix Vidal from Sevilla for £16m. There are rumours that Paul Pogba may join them from Juventus and that Pedro could leave for Chelsea.

Again, La Masia graduates are leaving the club, with Xavi moving to Qatar to play for Al Sadd, Deulofeu moving to Everton on a permanent basis and Montoya, the player who completed the academy puzzle in November 2012, joining Internazionale. So, with a transfer ban in place and the constant pressure applied by a free-spending Real Madrid, the obvious question is: are Barça moving away from their academy-based approach?

On the face of it, the faith shown in their youth products looks to be in decline. Only Munir El Haddadi, who supported Real Madrid and was discovered by Atlético, and Rafinha, who moved to Barcelona from Brazil aged 13, were able to make an impact last season, with other promising youngsters Sandro Ramírez, Adama Traoré and Sergi Samper finding first-team chances incredibly rare.

Samper is a prime example of a player who might need to leave the Camp Nou to fulfil his undoubted potential. The 20-year-old’s positional sense and technical ability have long made him a standout player for Barcelona B, but he is now at an age where he needs to be playing regular first team football.

The arrival of Turan only knocks Samper further down the pecking order and in danger of following the same path as Sergi Roberto who, at 23, looks to be leaving Barcelona despite once being marked as a future star. The conundrum that faces young players such as Munir and Adama is that they need to be playing regularly to realise their potential but are competing against a frontline of Suárez, Messi and Neymar.

Of the recent graduates to make the step up from Barcelona B to the senior side, only Bartra can consider himself anything like a regular, and even that is at a push. Alba, Barça’s undisputed first choice left-back, had to leave Catalonia to return a better player. Álex Grimaldo looks to have the best chance of establishing himself as a regular in the first-team squad given Barcelona’s lack of depth in the full-back department, but that was what people thought of Montoya and he now finds himself playing his football elsewhere.

Samper, Sandro and Munir all have the ability to become mainstays in the Barcelona squad but it remains to be seen whether they will play enough football to reach their potential.

It is too simple to say that Barcelona are being forced into a shift in mentality due to Real Madrid’s galáctico approach, because that has always been the Madrid way, even when Guardiola’s crop of La Masia graduates were in their pomp. There may well be a political element creeping into the Camp Nou, with prospective and current presidents keen to stamp their mark on their time in office with a marquee signing.

However, the likely answer is that Barcelona enjoyed a golden generation, the likes of which we would be very lucky to see again, as Manchester United’s class of 1999 and Ajax’s class of 1995 can attest to. For a club to be blessed with so many outstanding talents from their academy takes hard work, dedication and cerebral coaching, but it also takes a huge chunk of luck. In modern football, where television and prize money is gargantuan and winning is everything, would Barcelona supporters be happy sticking with their academy approach to the detriment of their domination of world football?

For some Barcelona supporters the lack of home-grown players coming through into the first team will be seen as a worrying trend. Others will be gleeful at the chance to see Turan, a magician of a midfielder, put on the famous Barcelona shirt, unperturbed by the knowledge that someone like Samper has been forced out because of his move. The next 12 months will be pivotal in the medium-term future of La Masia and its famed productivity
http://www.theguardian.com/football/these-football-times/2015/jul/16/barcelona-la-masia-academy-decline-neymar-pedro

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chestar5(f): 12:40pm On Jul 19, 2015
dyabman:
Benteke having medical at Liverpool.. Rodgers 7th signing ! Lol

So benteke is now in YNWA, too much of signings sef brings problems to a team, just buy few players in roles u are missing in the squad and evrything is fine....i doubt liverpool will perform more better nxt season with all those players sef
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dopeJemi: 12:41pm On Jul 19, 2015
dyabman:
Benteke having medical at Liverpool.. Rodgers 7th signing ! Lol

And it's just as if he hasn't signed anybody
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by MaziOmenuko: 1:17pm On Jul 19, 2015
SIRcumalot:


Or that Cuadrado guy won't he get anymore chance to prove his worth ?

Its a blasphemy to use the 2 bolded words in the same sentence.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 1:19pm On Jul 19, 2015
Well you know La Masia is dead when Barca spends over £100m in a single transfer window. Gone are the days when the Catalans would look up to their youth setup for the next big thing. For you to challenge in Elite europe, you simply have to spend big. It's a fact.

Anyways, does anyone else think that Mou is prepared to go all the way when it comes to getting John Stones and that, quite possibly, the manner in which he's made it all so public is a way of trying to get Stones a little unsettled?

Or is this just his smart way of saying ''JT, Cahill and Zouma get real this season, or I got a Stone to fling at you all?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 1:30pm On Jul 19, 2015
AirborneLacer:
Well you know La Masia is dead when Barca spends over £80m in a single transfer window. Gone are the days when the Catalans would look up to their youth setup for the next big thing. For you to challenge in Elite europe, you simply have to spend big. It's a fact.

Anyways, does anyone else think that Mou is prepared to go all the way when it comes to getting John Stones and that, quite possibly, the manner in which he's made it all so public is a way of trying to get Stones a little unsettled?

Or is this just his smart way of saying ''JT, Cahill and Zouma get real this season, or I got a Stone to fling at you all?

grin

Forget that transfer no make sense on any level.
If you're looking for a 5th CB, Vlaar is a free agent and will be happy to just ride the bench.

And for the price quoted? That's a madness!
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chestar5(f): 1:37pm On Jul 19, 2015
This transfer window is Patience and Hopesad
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 1:50pm On Jul 19, 2015
Nihilist:


grin

Forget that transfer no make sense on any level.

If you're looking for a 5th CB, Vlaar is a free agent and will be happy to just ride the bench.

And for the price quoted? That's a madness!

I just don't know what to think of cheesy

TBH, paying such staggering amount for a player who was worth just £3m three seasons ago, goes against every fiber of my being.

For the love of God, we ain't Manyoo who'd get bullied in the market.

Ake, Christensen, Kalas and Omeruo can be given the chance to step up. Not being English shouldn't serve as a barrier here.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SailorXY: 2:03pm On Jul 19, 2015
AirborneLacer:


For the love of God, we ain't Manyoo who'd get bullied in the market.
how much did you pay for Cuadrado again?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SIRcumalot: 2:20pm On Jul 19, 2015
MaziOmenuko:

Its a blasphemy to use the 2 bolded words in the same sentence.
I mean, You forked over 20mill for the ninja your scouts must've seen something cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:24pm On Jul 19, 2015
SailorXY:
how much did you pay for Cuadrado again?

Mate you're defining the word 'bully' wrongly.

Prior to his signing, Cuadrado was one of the stand-out performers of the World Cup last year. He shared the record for the most assists at the WC with Toni Kroos.

He was also Fiorentina's best player. You can't suggest that paying £26m then for such player is being bullied.

For the records, paying £30m for an unproven 18-year-old left-back is what being bullied is all about.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by MaziOmenuko: 2:29pm On Jul 19, 2015
SIRcumalot:
I mean, You forked over 20mill for the ninja your scouts must've seen something cheesy
cheesy
Something not seen in Schurlle I guess.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SailorXY: 2:35pm On Jul 19, 2015
AirborneLacer:


Mate you're defining the word 'bully' wrongly.

Prior to his signing, Cuadrado was one of the stand-out performers of the World Cup last year. He shared the record for the most assists at the WC with Toni Kroos.

He was also Fiorentina's best player. You can't suggest that paying £26m then for such player is being bullied.

For the records, paying £30m for an unproven 18-year-old left-back is what being bullied is all about.
grin grin grin
you paid more than £26m for Cuadrado mate & Shaw cost less than £30m. you are developing this uncanny habit of reducing the fees on your players & inflating the fees on United's!

you also paid £16m in transfer fees alone for Filipe 'fvcking' Luis, a 29 year old left back from nowhere - nigga couldn't even displace a right back from his position - wheeeeeeeew!

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by MaziOmenuko: 2:38pm On Jul 19, 2015
AirborneLacer:



For the records, paying £30m for an unproven 18-year-old left-back is what being bullied is all about.

Did you check Shaw's stats while at Southampton? At least he was a 'proven starter' for the saints; why is Jose willing to sink £28mil for Stones? Its hypocritical of him to drag an 18yr old all over the press last season as if they had personal beef to settle: alas, one year later, he is 'Stoning' £28mil for another kid, and is using the same 'public-bullying' method to unsettle the kid.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:53pm On Jul 19, 2015
SailorXY:

grin grin grin

you paid more than £26m for Cuadrado mate & Shaw cost less than £30m. you are developing this uncanny habit of reducing the fees on your players & inflating the fees on United's!

you also paid £16m in transfer fees alone for Filipe 'fvcking' Luis, a 29 year old left back from nowhere - nigga couldn't even displace a right back from his position - wheeeeeeeew!

Hehe. Ain't got the time to inflate any figure.

Check up Shaw's full transfer details, you guys actually wasted £30m on the fat lad cheesy

And yeah, we never paid more than 26m for Mr Cuadrado, unless you're counting with another currency other than the UK pound. We payed an initial fee of £23m, which later rose to £26m to meet the ninja's buyout clause.

Tell me about Di Maria and Falcao. I heard Morgan is on a £150k wage. C'mon mate, these are classic cases of getting severely battered in the transfer market.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:06pm On Jul 19, 2015
Chasing Stones over midfielder and winger is an exercise in stüpidity.

It is not Mourinho chasing Stones, I believe it's the club.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SIRcumalot: 3:09pm On Jul 19, 2015
Nihilist:
La Masia is dead though...or dying.

Debroslink, peep this article.


http://www.theguardian.com/football/these-football-times/2015/jul/16/barcelona-la-masia-academy-decline-neymar-pedro
Have always hated this La maisa bullsheet,
Barca fans act like their so special,
Chances are Messi,Iniesta,Xavi and whoever is from that academy would have become stars eventually.
Their is only so much you can teach.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 3:10pm On Jul 19, 2015
MaziOmenuko:


Did you check Shaw's stats while at Southampton? At least he was a 'proven starter' for the saints; why is Jose willing to sink £28mil for Stones?

Its hypocritical of him to drag an 18yr old all over the press last season as if they had personal beef to settle: alas, one year later, he is 'Stoning' £28mil for another kid, and is using the same 'public-bullying' method to unsettle the kid.

Shaw is an average player who was good for the Saints. He's never had a shot at the big stage hence I opined he's unproven.

Paying 30milla and dropping £100k wage for such boy is madness. JM wasn't the only one on the issue, Scholes also condemned the transfer.

It only feels awful to have us doing a Manyoo as per Stones' rumors.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SailorXY: 3:13pm On Jul 19, 2015
AirborneLacer:


Hehe. Ain't got the time to inflate any figure.

Check up Shaw's full transfer details, you guys actually wasted £30m on the fat lad cheesy

And yeah, we never paid more than 26m for Mr Cuadrado, unless you're counting with another currency other than the UK pound. We payed an initial fee of £23m, which later rose to £26m to meet the ninja's buyout clause.

Tell me about Di Maria and Falcao. I heard Morgan is on a £150k wage. C'mon mate, these are classic cases of getting severely battered in the transfer market.
the attached pictures replies you

what's there to tell about di Maria? are you seeking for straws again??

Falcao was loan deal with an option to sign up. it didn't work that way & we let go, da fvck is "bully" init cheesy cheesy

Morgan is on £120k weekly, stop 'hearding' as an excuse to inflate, a simple Google search will help wink

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by chrisley024(m): 4:10pm On Jul 19, 2015
AirborneLacer:


Shaw is an average player who was good for the Saints. He's never had a shot at the big stage hence I opined he's unproven.

Paying 30milla and dropping £100k wage for such boy is madness. JM wasn't the only one on the issue, Scholes also condemned the transfer.

It only feels awful to have us doing a Manyoo as per Stones' rumors.
Shaw takes 50k/week
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 4:20pm On Jul 19, 2015
SailorXY:
the attached pictures replies you

The attached pics only shows how smart we've been lately. Transfer dealings that won us the league and capital one cup titles cheesy

I claimed that Cuadrado joined us for £26m and your pic is quoting £27m, tell me, is the truth far-fetched?

SailorXY: what's there to tell about di Maria? are you seeking for straws again??

The truth is, there are a lot to tell about your recent transfers not just Di Maria's.

They all scream of ''desperation'' and I'm being objective about this. When Utd moved to sign Di Maria, there was an urgent need to strengthen the backline and central midfield, but all that got ignored b'cos Manyoo couldn't have afforded to miss out on a 'big' player who just got deemed surplus to requirement.

So how would it go? £59m was shelled out for a departing player - a british transfer record.

Real knew the position you guys were in and it was easy for 'em to have you guys battered.

Just like we had you chaps sodomised in the Mata's transfer.

SailorXY: Falcao was loan deal with an option to sign up. it didn't work that way & we let go, da fvck is "bully" init cheesy cheesy

The bully in it is that, just like in the case of Chelsea and Real, Monaco gave out a player who didn't feature in their plan for a mammoth figure.

You guys paid £6m for the privilege of bringing Falcao in on loan. Then you also had to pay his wage, which was widely reported to be £265k.

Inshort, the total outlay on bringing a crocked Falcao to OT on a one-year loan was £24m. Maga once again.

SailorXY: Morgan is on £120k weekly, stop 'hearding' as an excuse to inflate, a simple Google search will help wink

Once again, I'm not inflating. Different figures get quoted by different sources.

Coquelin is a way better DM than Morgan, but he's nowhere near the frenchman's wages.

It's obvious nothing is shocking from Utd anymore, your recent transfer business is incomprehensible.

Sailor reflect on these facts, while I spend some time with my ashana cheesy

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by bigkesh(m): 6:03pm On Jul 19, 2015
SailorXY:

grin grin grin
you paid more than £26m for Cuadrado mate & Shaw cost less than £30m. you are developing this uncanny habit of reducing the fees on your players & inflating the fees on United's!

you also paid £16m in transfer fees alone for Filipe 'fvcking' Luis, a 29 year old left back from nowhere - nigga couldn't even displace a right back from his position - wheeeeeeeew!
Tell us any of your Left back than will displace that right footed LB
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Dhelake: 6:08pm On Jul 19, 2015
SailorXY:

grin grin grin
you paid more than £26m for Cuadrado mate & Shaw cost less than £30m. you are developing this uncanny habit of reducing the fees on your players & inflating the fees on United's!

you also paid £16m in transfer fees alone for Filipe 'fvcking' Luis, a 29 year old left back from nowhere - nigga couldn't even displace a right back from his position - wheeeeeeeew!
Felipe Luis from nowhere?? First, Do you have a TV set?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Debroslink: 6:41pm On Jul 19, 2015
Nihilist:
La Masia is dead though...or dying.

Debroslink, peep this article.


http://www.theguardian.com/football/these-football-times/2015/jul/16/barcelona-la-masia-academy-decline-neymar-pedro

La Masia died the day Tiago was sold to Bayern, and Montoya couldn't bench Alves. But I still wanna believe that Barto has future plans for La Masia. If he wanna have a memorable 6 years reign, he dare not boycott La Masia. We need a true replacement for Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, etc.

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