agaugust:


N O P E !!!!!

My source is more current than yours !

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-glimmers-of-hope-for-south-africa39s-underfunded-air-403163/

My source is 2014....Your source is 2013 so you are the outdated one posting an almost two year old source.

Now SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots with 0 qualified for combat.

SAAF is dead like Nelson Madiba Mandela

Now you show me a source that says NAF has 3 F-7 jet pilots, I have shown you source that SAAF has 6 pilots so it's your turn to prove your own claim....or you surrender to Augustine like your countrymen surrendered last week on defenceweb debate....
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Thiza:
Senior leaders of the Air Force cannot explain why Nigeria even needs an Air Force, but they continue to pursue combat aircraft to battle an unknown threat. Nigeria has an Air Force with few functional aircraft. The Nigerian Air Force (NAF) is largely irrelevant. Most of the Generals are pilots who feel the need to focus on fighter aircraft to protect Nigerian airspace against foreign incursion (by whom they won't say). With the exception of the helicopter fleet being used in the Niger Delta, most of NAF's aircraft are non-functional. There are six times as many general officers and flag officers in the Nigerian Air Force (NAF) and Nigerian Navy (NN) as there are operational ships and aircraft.

As of 2009, most of its fleets were grounded and its training institutions were constrained with shortages of technical skills such as instructors and institutional facilities. The highest percentage of the actual allocation to NAF compared with the annual budget proposal was just 31% in 2002. Evidently, the current budgetary allocations to the NAF cannot sustain effective and efficient aircraft maintenance activities. This is due to the constraints in spares acquisition. Lack of funding has been responsible for an inability to preserve aircraft regularly… Aircraft become due for Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM) with time, and not by hours flown, because they are most of the time grounded for unserviceability. The reasons for unserviceability are usually traceable to lack of spares occasioned by insufficient funding.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/air-force.htm

jln115:

Dude when It's dated doesn't change the fact that it's still outdated! Your source used statements made in 2013 by a opposition MP!!

Thiza:
The NAF ORBAT as at February 2007 was follows:

Fighter Fleet. The 14 Alpha Jet ground attack aircraft located at Kainji were the only fixed wing combat aircraft currently in flying status. A total of 23 Mig-21 Air Defence Interceptors had been grounded since 1988. And the 15 Jaguar Recce Interdiction aircraft had also been grounded since 1988.
Transport Fleet. The NAF operated the C-130H and the G-222 for heavy and medium air lift respectively. Also, the Do-228 was available for light transport and liaison duties. The G-222s were all grounded while undergoing fleet reactivation and upgrade, while all the C-130s were grounded, as they had been scheduled for Periodic Depot Maintenance (PDM). The serviceability of the Do-228 and C-130 as at February 2007 ranged from 15% to 0%. The 11 DO- 128-6 Liaison Transports were grounded, while the 5 DO–228 Liaison Transports were operational.
Helicopters Fleet. The NAF helicopter fleet comprised the Super Puma helicopter and the Mi-35P armed helicopter. As at February 2007 the Super Puma fleet was grounded, although there are efforts for its reactivation. The current serviceability status of the Mi-35P was on the average 33%.
Trainer Fleet. For primary flying training, the NAF had the ABT-18 aircraft for ab-intio training. The L-39ZA, MB-339 and Mi34 were used for basic flying training. The MB-339 fleet was grounded awaiting activation of a signed contract for its upgrade while the serviceability rate of the L-39ZA as at February 2007 was 25%.

The sustenance of high aircraft serviceability requires the continuous availability of aircraft spares. As of 2007,the operations of NAF aircraft fleet were affected by the scarcity of aircraft spares. For example, the Super Puma, and G222 hade been grounded for over 10 years due to the non-availability of spares to conduct 1000 hrs and 800 hrs inspections, respectively. Conversely, due to the grounding of some Alpha Jets due to lack of minor but fast moving spares, about 1,445 Alpha Jet line items in the storage were not required for over a period of 5 years.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/nigeria/air-force-equipment-intro.htm

Thiza:
According to intelligence sources, several ex-South African Air Force (SAAF) pilots are also participating in the war against Boko Haram – under a separate contract – flying Russian Mil Mi-24 Hind attack helicopters, including in night operations, to good effect.

http://www.issafrica.org/iss-today/business-as-unusual-goodluck-jonathan-privatises-nigerian-relations-with-south-africa

Thiza:
A BIG STORY IN NIGERIA IN THIS DAY AND AGE....HAHAHAHAH

The Nigerian Air Force has successfully carried out maintenance of its fleet of Fighter Jets within the country in what has been described as a rare feat.

At the hand-over ceremony of the six alpha jets and one Hercules C-130 plane to the Federal Government by the Aeronautical Engineering and Technical Servicing Limited (AETSL) in partnership with Sabena Air of France at NAF 401 ACMD in Ikeja, Lagos, on Tuesday, the Minister of State for Defence, Erelu Olusola Obada said the decision to service the aircrafts in the country was a step in the right direction as it not only saves hard earned foreign exchange for the country but will aid in tackling the nation’s security challenges.

“It’s a great day, not just for Nigeria but for the Nigerian Air Force”, she said.

“For the very first time ever, we have had a successful periodic maintenance of our aircraft in-country without having to carry them out to other countries for maintenance.”

http://www.informationng.com/2013/09/nigerian-air-force-successfully-carries-out-first-in-country-maintenance-of-fighter-jets.html

Patchesagain:


Allegations that have been dispelled by the SAAF.

Flight Global simply did not do their research!!

Patchesagain:


Really?

You are still posting it?

Official word from the SAAF

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-31821/

18 Aircrew
14 Gripen operational
No Gripen ever placed in storage

Thus, minimum of 14 pilots

And, as I have shown in the 2013/14 Gripen pilots averaged 60 hours per year, more than half the french airforce


Dude, this is like the 5th or 6th time you have posted this article, and this is like the 5th or 6th time I have shot you down.

ssaengine:


First of all the article talks about 2013, not 2014. If I write an article today about the 1969 moon landing, does it mean the
moon landing happened today? 20th of July 2015? In any case the article has been disproved by the SAAF.

Secondly, it said 200 hours for Gripen in the article. You said there were 6 pilots. So how do you get "10 to 20 hours a year" when you divide 200 by 6? You see how you just make sh*t up and ruin this thread? Even the likes of Henry120 ran away from here because of this type of non.sense

I dare you as a man, show us where you got "10 to 20 hours a year" from. Or did you make that up Augustine?

ssaengine:
The only thing that article is really good for is a nice pic of Gripen

[img]http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=57357[/img]

agaugust:


[s]Opposition MP is South African, they tell the truth about what ANC is hiding under cover. SAAF has only 6 Gripen pilots and the source is 2014.

Now show us source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots, I have asked you 101 times, you keep running away like a squirrel chased by a hunter![/s]
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agaugust:


[s]Another 8 year old source, NAF did not even have many jets and helicopters in those days of 2007.

Now from 2010 to 2014 NAF has purchased :

F-7 jets
American Alpha jets
Mi-35 M Hind E
Mi-171 S Terminator
CH-3 missile drone
ATR-42 Surveyor MPA/ISTAR/AWACS
Beechcraft 350 ER
D42 Diamond ISR
Eurocopter Fennec AS555

Your story is so old, that most of the current NAF aircraft are missing in your ancient news report.

Try find something more current, you will end up with sources saying NAF flew 6,000 combat sorties in 6 months....far from being grounded.

Now show me one just 10 combat sorties flown by SAAF in the last 20 year[/s]s
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agaugust:


[s]Nope, you actually shot y.ourself down !

Your source clearly says "18 Gripen aircrew (navigators and pilots)"

How does 18 aircrew = 14 pilots ? What of navigators ? Why not 9 pilots 9 navigators?

Anyway, you have ONLY 6 Gripen pilots, so 12 navigators then[/s] !
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agaugust:
re you to show

[s]I dare you as a man to show me how SAAF has combat qualified Gripen pilots with the peanut hours they fly !

10 to 20 hours, yes I mean combat training hours.

The 200 hours include ceremonial flying like air shows and Mandela funeral, we have to remove all that civilian missions, or were your pilots on combat training mission during Mandela's burial ceremony?[/s]
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agaugust:


[s][size=13pt]SAAF Gripens are only effective in photographs.

ZERO combat qualified pilots [/s]
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Patchesagain:


citation for NAF combat sorties

Patchesagain:


60 hours does not qualify you for combat?

over half the french airforce is not combat qualified!!

Shocking allegation!

Patchesagain:


Stop posting things that have been dealt with

Patchesagain:


14 Gripen are operational

Thus, a logical man, would conclude 14 pilots at a minimum... in 2013

My artical is the SAAF response to the allegations made by the DA MP.

Again, you have posted this before and we have shot this down before. You are wasting your time and ours.

agaugust:


50% of French pilots fly 180 hours on Rafael. They can deploy 60 Rafale jets all with combat qualified Rafael pilots into battle zones.

0% of South African Gripen pilots are combat qualified with your shameful 10 to 20 hours flying. SAAF cannot deploy any combat qualified Gripen jet into battle....Angola will Räpe South African military to deäth
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