agaugust:


Augustine is hurting Patrick so badly....dear @Patches, run home to mummy and cry

No, augustus is wasting time with old arguments that have been dealt with

agaugust:


Your personal Voodoo logic is NOT fact !

Your source clearly says "18 Gripen aircrew (navigators and pilots)"

How does 18 aircrew = 14 pilots ? What of navigators ? Why not 9 pilots 9 navigators?

Anyway, you have ONLY 6 Gripen pilots, so 12 navigators then !
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Its not Voodo logic

Its simple logic

18 Aircrew
14 Gripen operational

Thus, logically, there are 14 pilots to fly the operational Gripen... or are our Gripen flown by ghosts?

The issue of only 6 pilots has been dealt with and has shown to be false.

Patchesagain:


SAAF Grip pilots fly an average of 60 hours

This is more than half of the french airforce

Simple fact

France has 131 Rafale jets. 60 jets have pilots flying 180 hours.

SAAF does not even have one quarter the number of French Rafale jets....that's not counting another over 100 French Mirage 2000 jets.

Seems you don't know who to compare South Africa with, France is 1,000 years ahead of your local league where Angola is getting better than you.

Mumu.

Patchesagain:


Its not Voodo logic

Its simple logic

18 Aircrew
14 Gripen operational

Thus, logically, there are 14 pilots to fly the operational Gripen... or are our Gripen flown by ghosts?

The issue of only 6 pilots has been dealt with and has shown to be false.

2014 current update ; SAAF has only 6 Gripen pilots flying without combat qualifications
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agaugust:


Your old irrelevant outdated source is 2010, my current correct reliable up to date source is 2014.

SAAF has ONLY 6 Gripen pilots....Angola will Räpe South African cities with Su-30 jets and destroy Eskom's already sick power stations throwing SA into pitch black darkness and wreckïng your economy.

Pretoria's economy will fuckïng collapse in one week
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AINT YOU EVEN ASHAMED THAT A SOURCE THAT WAS PRODUCED FIVE YEARS BACK WHEN SOUTH AFRICA FIRAT ACQUIRED GRIPENS PROVED YOU WRONG. SO WHAT ABOUT THE RECENT SOURCES? DO YOU THINK SAAF WAS JUST STAGNANT EVER SINCE? NOPE YOU ARE WRONG. YOUR INFORMATION CONCERNING NUMBER OF SAAF IS OUTDATED AND BELONG TO THE YEAR 2008.


YOU SHOULD BE THE ONE WONDERING HOW MANY PILOTS DID SAAF TRAINED SO FAR SINCE 2010. SANDF CANNOT RUN TO THE MEDIA EACH TIME THEY PRODUCE GRIPEN PILOTS. BWAHAHAHAHA…

agaugust:


2014 current update ; SAAF has only 6 Gripen pilots flying without combat qualifications
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I GAVE YOU A SOURCE THAT PROVED YOU WRONG THAT IN 2010 SAAF PRODUCED THREE LOCALLY TRAINED GRIPEN PILOTS WHOM ADDED TO THE SIX TO MAKE NINE. FURTHERMORE THEY WERE TO PRODUCE THREE MORE PILOTS IN 2011 AND THE NEXT YEARS TO COME.

IN 2009 THE SHADOW MINISTER OF DEFENCE CERTAIN MR MAYNIER MADE CONFESSIONS WHICH CAN NEVER BE DENIED.

REMEMBER THAT OUR HAWKS AND GRIPEN PILOTS ARE TRAINED TO FLY BOTH PLATFORMS.

WE ALSO SO FAR DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY OF VACANT COMBAT PILOTS HAVE BEEN FILLED EVER SINCE AND MOREOVER SAAF HAS ALSO HAD CADET COMBAT PILOT TRAINING. http://www.saairforce.co.za/recruitment/pilot-or-navigator/pilots

I QUOTE:

Maynier says the reply to his question shows that 48% of posts for combat pilots are vacant (29 of
60 posts). It takes seventeen months to train up a combat pilot. In addition, 58 of 167 helicopter pilot posts (34%) are currently vacant. He adds that it takes sixteen months to train a helicopter pilot. Furthermore, 30% of posts for transport pilots are vacant (48 of 156 posts) "and it takes twelve months to train transport pilots."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3594

agaugust:


I dare you as a man to show me how SAAF has combat qualified Gripen pilots with the peanut hours they fly !

10 to 20 hours, yes I mean combat training hours.

The 200 hours include ceremonial flying like air shows and Mandela funeral, we have to remove all that civilian missions, or were your pilots on combat training mission during Mandela's burial ceremony?
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So what you are saying is that you are unable to tell us where you got the "10 to 20 hours" from. You made that up.
Kindly show us how many hours are flow each year for "ceremonies". Please post link. Otherwise you are making things up as usual.

You're telling us that each of the Gripen pilots flies about "13 to 23 hours" a year just for air shows and ceremonies? Please take your
bullsh*t elsewhere.

agaugust:


Opposition MP is South African, they tell the truth about what ANC is hiding under cover. SAAF has only 6 Gripen pilots and the source is 2014.

Now show us source that says NAF has only 3 F-7 pilots, I have asked you 101 times, you keep running away like a squirrel chased by a hunter!
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Nope he was proven wrong! By Saaf themselves. in 2013 we had 14 Gripen pilots! Show me a source that proves Naf has more than 3 pilots.

Patchesagain:


SAAF Grip pilots fly an average of 60 hours

This is more than half of the french airforce

Simple fact

Jap 60 hours in a Gripen! Not to mention the countless hours they spend in the hawk!

agaugust:
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South Africans have killed another 89 fellow citizens today o !

Murder champions
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There are many people who are killed in Nigeria everyday apart from those killed by Boko haram.

http://naijarex..nl/2015/06/nigeria-airforce-killed-350-in-akwaibom.html?m=1

http://www.234pulse.com/2015/06/buhari-reign-of-terror-begins-nigerian-air-force-massacre-350-villagers-in-akwa-ibom-while-ignoring-boko-haram/

agaugust:


Your personal Voodoo logic is NOT fact !

Your source clearly says "18 Gripen aircrew (navigators and pilots)"

How does 18 aircrew = 14 pilots ? What of navigators ? Why not 9 pilots 9 navigators?

Anyway, you have ONLY 6 Gripen pilots, so 12 navigators then !
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Bwahahaha… You don't even know how pilots and navigators work that's why you chose such a high number of navigators. fool. Pilots now use mostly GPS fool.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navigator

With the advent of GPS , the effort required to
accurately determine one's position has decreased by
orders of magnitude, so the entire field has
experienced a revolutionary transition since the 1990s
with traditional navigation tasks being phased out.
The U.S. Air Force and U.S. Navy, for instance, no
longer teach aviators how to do celestial navigation.

FOR the past five years an Islamic extremist group called Boko Haram has grown in stature and gruesomeness in Nigeria's north-east. It has expanded its membership, range of operations and the territory it controls to the point where two dozens cities are beyond government control. This has happened despite the fact that Nigeria is now Africa's largest economy and has a highly capable political elite. Currently the army is fighting insurgents for control of the city of Chibok where Boko Haram abducted more than 200 schoolgirls earlier this year. How come Nigeria's situation keeps getting worse, given international support for the Nigerian government?

The crisis in the north-east needs to be seen in the context of generally rising criminality in Nigeria. Kidnappings for ransom are rife: celebrities and clergymen are plucked off the street in daylight. Hundreds of people are killed every year in land disputes. Thieves siphon off as much as a fifth of the country’s oil output in the Niger delta. Piracy is common. Rampant criminality also infects politics. Gangsters aid politicians by intimidating opponents. In return elected officials share out funds plundered from state coffers. Two years ago KPMG, a global audit firm, named Nigeria as the most fraud-prone country in Africa.


Boko Haram’s motivations lie not so much in religious fanaticism as in protest against government neglect. While fabulously wealthy, Nigeria's government and elite shares very little with the masses, especially those in the north-east, traditionally the poorest and least influential part of the country. Development levels there are among the lowest in the world, despite being one of OPEC's biggest oil producers. Nigeria's government has also neglected to pour money into its armed forces, out of both greed and fear. Coups used to be common. So now unpopular leaders are fighting an insurgency without capable security forces, which often inflames the situation, for example when under-paid and ill-trained soldiers rape and pillage just like Boko Haram.

The only way to defeat the insurgents is for Nigeria to do what it should have done long ago for other reasons: sort out its governance. Politicians should concentrate on building institutions, such as a fair-minded police force and a competent health care system, rather than filling their pockets in cooperation with criminals. Only then will the government be able to build a decent army and channel enough resources to the poor in the north-east. That is the way to defeat Boko Haram.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/11/economist-explains-10

SANDF

Right on the money.

Sorry to say that the below will never happen.

Thiza:

The only way to defeat the insurgents is for Nigeria to do what it should have done long ago for other reasons: sort out its governance. Politicians should concentrate on building institutions, such as a fair-minded police force and a competent health care system, rather than filling their pockets in cooperation with criminals. Only then will the government be able to build a decent army and channel enough resources to the poor in the north-east. That is the way to defeat Boko Haram.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/11/economist-explains-10

DieVluit:
Right on the money.

Sorry to say that the below will never happen.

South African BEE have now bought huge stake on Nigerian healthcare group.

Problem 1 solved.

http://m.engineeringnews.co.za/article/kagiso-tiso-buys-stake-in-nigerian-healthcare-group-2015-07-20

WASHINGTON TO SELL 8 OR MORE APACHE ADVANCED ATTACK HELICOPTERS TO NIGERIA
http://www.persecondnews.com/index.php/psn-news/item/4087-washington-u-s-to-sell-apache-attack-helicopters-to-nigeria

EVarn:
WASHINGTON TO SELL 8 OR MORE APACHE ADVANCED ATTACK HELICOPTERS TO NIGERIA
http://www.persecondnews.com/index.php/psn-news/item/4087-washington-u-s-to-sell-apache-attack-helicopters-to-nigeria

They should have instead donated that for free because you don't have money.

Well I guess you won't also kill your own citizens with Americas weapons just like you did in Akwa Ibom.


http://www.234pulse.com/2015/06/buhari-reign-of-terror-begins-nigerian-air-force-massacre-350-villagers-in-akwa-ibom-while-ignoring-boko-haram/

HANDOUTS REALLY HELPS.


http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/185179-u-s-donating-5-million-not-5-billion-to-fight-boko-haram.html

mzilakazi:

They should have instead donated that for free because you don't have money.
Well I guess you won't also kill your own citizens with Americas weapons just like you did in Akwa Ibom.
http://www.234pulse.com/2015/06/buhari-reign-of-terror-begins-nigerian-air-force-massacre-350-villagers-in-akwa-ibom-while-ignoring-boko-haram/

lol.i can practically feel your butthurting.
Nigeria can more than afford a deal worth $500m.In line with US weapon procurement protocol,the deal comes with trainers,equipments and short term mainteinance package.
Akwa Ibom?,it was pirates and bandits that were killed in akwa ibom,stop peddling falsehood.

JONATHAN'S FORMER CSO DIES IN DETENTION.



http://www.persecondnews.com/index.php/psn-news/item/4097-anxiety-mounts-over-rumored-death-of-jonathan-s-cso-in-dss-detention

mzilakazi:
HANDOUTS REALLY HELPS.


http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/185179-u-s-donating-5-million-not-5-billion-to-fight-boko-haram.html

hehehehehe....it is amusing to watch you scream about $5m US donation which is mainly going to end up being spent on IDP camps.
What are you gonna do when Nigeria starts recieving billions of dollars in military aid?

EVarn:
lol.i can practically feel your butthurting.
Nigeria can more than afford a deal worth $500m.In line with US weapon procurement protocol,the deal comes with trainers,equipments and short term mainteinance package.
Akwa Ibom?,it was pirates and bandits that were killed in akwa ibom,stop peddling falsehood.

NIGERIA HAS NO MONEY.

YOUR MILITARY AS USUAL KILLED OVER 350 INNOCENT PEOPLE IN AKWA IBOM AND FALSELY CLAIM THEY WERE INSURGENTS. WHAT ABOUT 8000 INNOCENT LIVES YOU HAVE KILLED IN DETENTION?

EVarn:
hehehehehe....it is amusing to watch you scream about $5m US donation which is mainly going to end up being spent on IDP camps.
What are you gonna do when Nigeria starts recieving billions of dollars in military aid?

I WILL BE GLAD BECAUSE IT WILL STOP YOU FROM PLAYING BIG IN OUR LEAGUES. IT WILL JUST REDUCE YOU TO THE LEVEL OF DJIBOUTI.

mzilakazi:

NIGERIA HAS NO MONEY.

YOUR MILITARY AS USUAL KILLED OVER 350 INNOCENT PEOPLE IN AKWA IBOM AND FALSELY CLAIM THEY WERE INSURGENTS. WHAT ABOUT 8000 INNOCENT LIVES YOU HAVE KILLED IN DETENTION?

lol....Nigeria has no money?,how the hell is the country still running then?.
You can say that some state governments are broke,but the federal government is not broke.
The akwa ibom saga was part of the nigerian army war against piracy and oil theft,it wasnt targetted genocide as the media portrayed it.
Reports that 8000 people have died in military custody in the past 5 years are false,such wild accusations should be dismissed on grounds of heresay.

mzilakazi:



I WILL BE GLAD BECAUSE IT WILL STOP YOU FROM PLAYING BIG IN OUR LEAGUES. IT WILL JUST REDUCE YOU TO THE LEVEL OF DJIBOUTI.

hehehehehe....other military/economic powers such as Isreal,Egypt,South Korea etc recieve billions of dollars in military aid from the US,why shouldnt Nigeria?
Recieving military aid doesnt diminish our intercontinental status,it only strengthens our military capabilities and relationship with the west.

EVarn:
lol....Nigeria has no money?,how the hell is the country still running then?.
You can say that some state governments are broke,but the federal government is not broke.
The akwa ibom saga was part of the nigerian army war against piracy and oil theft,it wasnt targetted genocide as the media portrayed it.
Reports that 8000 people have died in military custody in the past 5 years are false,such wild accusations should be dismissed on grounds of heresay.

YOU DONT HAVE PENNIES AS CONFIRMED BY BUHARI. YOU EVEN HAD TO EXHAUST YOUR EXCESS CRUDE ACCOUNT AND MAKE SOFT LOANS IN ORDER TO PAY YOUR GOVERNMENT WORKERS.

BWAHAHAHA… OBAMA WANTS ALL THE CRIMES TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED NOT JUST SWEPT UNDER THE CARPET AND DISMISSED ON THE GROUNDS OF HEARSAY AS YOU USUALLY DO. ELSE YOU WONT SEE APACHES.

EVarn:
hehehehehe....other military/economic powers such as Isreal,Egypt,South Korea etc recieve billions of dollars in military aid from the US,why shouldnt Nigeria?
Recieving military aid doesnt diminish our intercontinental status,it only strengthens our military capabilities and relationship with the west.

THEN THAT WILL MAKE YOU TO STOP COMPARING YOURSELF TO US. I THINK YOU SHOULD ALSO APPLY FOR MILITARY AID FROM SOUTH AFRICA.

I WONDER IF PEOPLE HERE CAN REALISE THAT NIGERIAN PILOTS ARE UNSKILLED AND UNTRAINED. THEY FIRE WITH NO PRECISION CAUSING COLLATERAL DAMAGE EVERYWHERE. THAT'S WHY SA MERCENARIES WERE FLYING THEIR GUNSHIP.

mzilakazi:

YOU DONT HAVE PENNIES AS CONFIRMED BY BUHARI. YOU EVEN HAD TO EXHAUST YOUR EXCESS CRUDE ACCOUNT AND MAKE SOFT LOANS IN ORDER TO PAY YOUR GOVERNMENT WORKERS.
BWAHAHAHA… OBAMA WANTS ALL THE CRIMES TO BE THOROUGHLY INVESTIGATED NOT JUST SWEPT UNDER THE CARPET AND DISMISSED ON THE GROUNDS OF HEARSAY AS YOU USUALLY DO. ELSE YOU WONT SEE APACHES.

lol....The bailout was given by the federal government to the state government,to help the pay workers.
No loan was ever made.
The money was withdrawn from the NLNG account,not the ECA,the ECA is still intact: the presidency assured Nigerians that the ECA and other federal reserves are very much intact.
If you dont understand simple economics,then keep quiet.
As for 8000 POWs dying in custody,its all false figures made up by AI,as was the 5000 people who purportedly 'vanished' from baga without a trace early this year.
lol,the apache deal is already done,in light of the new US-Nigeria relationship.

agaugust:


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LOL, South Africans have over-killed themselves such that they lost count of numbers....coffin/casket sales, private mortuary, funeral undertaker career are all big business there o ![/size]
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Look at this fool. Murder is a prosecutable offence. More than 18 000 victims who gave up their souls at the hand of Boko Haram and Nigeria's military are recorded as war victims instead of murder victims. If that was the case Nigeria would have taken the trophy.

mzilakazi:

THEN THAT WILL MAKE YOU TO STOP COMPARING YOURSELF TO US. I THINK YOU SHOULD ALSO APPLY FOR MILITARY AID FROM SOUTH AFRICA.

Apply for military aid from SA?,lol,you south africans can barely feed yourselves,your government can no longer provide constant power supply,over 30% of your population are unemployed with poverty,hunger,disease and violence on the rise,furthermore, your parliamentarians are always physically pummelling each other on the floor of the parliament,displaying the primitive mentallity of a banana republic.Does that sound like a country capable of giving any type of aid?,SA should try to send aid to zimbabwe from the pitiful change in your treasury.
We are aiming to be in the league of South Korea,Japan,NetherlandUK and other US allies.