Does the term "Son of God" mean that Jesus is not God?

http://carm.org/term-son-of-god-jesus

is Jesus God in d first place?jesus is not God and he nevr sae to anybody dat his God..his a massengr of God whom he refr to as his father.

Jesus is NOT God.
He said so himself. He always said he is doing the work of the one who sent him.
Son of OBJ is not OBJ.

This boy/man no dey hear

I juss dey laugh

Jesus became Son only after His resurrection. Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. God to christianity not a personal name but a common name for a class of beings; highest among beings. Ye are gods all of you are children of Most High. More explanation to follow meanwhile, let me enjoy my meal.

OLAADEGBU:


Does the term "Son of God" mean that Jesus is not God?

http://carm.org/term-son-of-god-jesus

Suggested answer:

Does the term “Son of God” mean that Jesus is not God?
by Matt Slick

Does the term “Son of God” mean that Jesus is not God?

No, the term “Son of God” does not mean that Jesus is not divine. Think about it. If the term “Son of God” means that Jesus is not God, then does the term “Son of Man” mean that Jesus is not a man? Of course not. Instead, the term is used to describe the majesty and honor of Jesus, who was the Son of God.

1. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, (Matt. 26:63; Mark 1:1; John 20:31; Heb. 4:14).

2. Unclean spirits would fall down before Jesus and say, “You are the Son of God,” (Mark 3:11).

3. " . . . the holy offspring shall be called the Son of God,” (Luke 1:35).

4. Those who hear the voice of the Son of God shall live (John 5:25).

5. Paul had faith in the Son of God (Gal. 2:20).

6. Son of God has no beginning or end (Heb. 7:3).

7. The Son of God appeared to destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8.).

8. Believing in the Son of God so that you may have eternal life (1 John 5:13).

We can see that Jesus is the Son of God, unclean spirits fell down before Him, Paul had faith in Him, He has no beginning or end, and in Him we have eternal life. Clearly this is saying that He is more than just a man.

Finally, John 5:18 is significant.

"For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God," (John 5:18.).

Notice that saying that God was Jesus’ Father was to make Himself equal with God. Therefore, we can see the term “Son of God” is not a denial that Jesus is God. Instead, it affirms it.

kestolove95:


is Jesus God in d first place?jesus is not God and he nevr sae to anybody dat his God..his a massengr of God whom he refr to as his father.

You shall know the truth and the truth that you know shall set you free.

delishpot:


Jesus is NOT God.
He said so himself. He always said he is doing the work of the one who sent him.
Son of OBJ is not OBJ.

Just as a kid of goat is still a goat equally the Son of God is also God.

MzNelly:


This boy/man no dey hear

I juss dey laugh

Whoever the Son shall set free shall be free indeed.

MightySparrow:


Jesus became Son only after His resurrection. Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. God to christianity not a personal name but a common name for a class of beings; highest among beings. Ye are gods all of you are children of Most High. More explanation to follow meanwhile, let me enjoy my meal.

You never finish ya meal?

OLAADEGBU:


Just as a kid of goat is still a goat equally the Son of God is also God.

Ok. Since you know better than the Jesus himself

OLAADEGBU:


Just as a kid of goat is still a goat equally the Son of God is also God.

There are many gods, but there is only one who is the almighty among them, the father of Jesus.

All goats are not the same, just like all gods are not the same.

No kid of goat is greater than or equal to its begetter, especially in age.

Freksy:


There are many gods, but there is only one who is the almighty among them, the father of Jesus.

All goats are not the same, just like all gods are not the same.

No kid of goat is greater than or equal to its begetter, especially in age.

Let me repost excerpts of what I posted on another thread in response to your objection:

What does it mean to call Jesus the Son of God?

Does the title applied to Jesus, Son of God, imply that He is different than God? No. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), while Christians are adopted sons of God (Romans 8:15-17).  Christians are called adopted sons of God because we are different from God and must become His children (hence, adopted, not begotten).  Jesus is not called adopted because He never became God's Son, but has always been God's Son.  Calling Jesus the only begotten Son of God means that He is of the same nature as God, not a different nature, as C.S. Lewis explains:

"To beget is to become the father of: to create is to make.  And the difference is this.  When you beget, you beget something of the same kind as yourself.  A man begets human babies, a beaver begets little beavers, But when you make, you make something of a different kind from yourself.  A bird makes a nest, a beaver builds a dam . . .  Now that is the first thing to get clear.  What God begets is God; just as what man begets is man.  What God creates is not God, just as what man makes is not man.  That is why men are not Sons of God in the sense that Christ is.  They may be like God in certain ways, but they are not things of the same kind."

There is a clear distinction between making and begetting, that is, you cannot make what you beget.  What you make is different from yourself, what you beget has your nature.  Therefore to call Jesus the only begotten Son is to say that He has God's nature and was not made.  Since He has God's nature, He is, by definition, God and therefore eternal.  If Jesus was created by God, He could not have been begotten, and John 3:16; 1:18, 1 John 4:9, etc. are in error.

Therefore, when the Bible says that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, it means that Jesus is equal to God, not less than God. QED.

https://www.nairaland.com/531625/evidence-deity-christ/1

delishpot:


Ok. Since you know better than the Jesus himself

What God begets is God; just as what man begets is man.

OLAADEGBU:


What God begets is God; just as what man begets is man.

do you read what you just wrote! Your defination up there jumped a process; man beget through intercouse! how does God beget Jesus? Do you mean through intercourse? Explain the process that God used to beget jesus other than mere utterance from God to Jesus during baptism......emphasis on beget!

BERNIMOORE:


do you read what you just wrote! Your defination up there jumped a process; man beget through intercouse! how does God beget Jesus? Do you mean through intercourse? Explain the process that God used to beget jesus other than mere utterance from God to Jesus during baptism......emphasis on beget!

The onus is on you to find out what it means to beget.

OLAADEGBU:


Question: "What does it mean that Jesus is God's only begotten son?"

tell me that you can't explain the process of how God beget Jesus! Simple so until you do that we all knew that man beget through intercouse and so your variables in your analogy of beget are not in agreement and so nulled and voided!

Carm.org is his bible folks....don't listen to him and he'll refer you to answersingenesis.org....prove more stubborn and he'll send you to gotquestions.com..

OLAADEGBU:


The onus is on you to find out what it means to beget.

so the onus/burden is on me now Olaadegbu! at times when I read your posts I laugh at how you used to jump exegical holes to arrive at a straw conclusion and expect one to swallow them wholesale! Simple question you can't defend your project

OLAADEGBU:


Let me repost excerpts of what I posted on another thread in response to your objection:

What does it mean to call Jesus the Son of God?

Does the title applied to Jesus, Son of God, imply that He is different than God? No. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (John 3:16), while Christians are adopted sons of God (Romans 8:15-17). Christians are called adopted sons of God because we are different from God and must become His children (hence, adopted, not begotten).

Angels are described as 'sons of God', not as adopted sons. Can that be used as proof of their godship and equality of rank with God? Your point on the use, or non use of the word 'adoption' is weak.

Jesus is not called adopted because [size=16pt]He never became[/size] God's Son, but has always been God's Son. Calling Jesus the only begotten Son of God means that He is of the same nature as God, not a different nature, as C.S. Lewis explains:

"To beget is [size=16pt]to become[/size] the father of: to create is to make. And the difference is this. When you beget, you beget something of the same kind as yourself. A man begets human babies, a beaver begets little beavers, But when you make, you make something of a different kind from yourself. A bird makes a nest, a beaver builds a dam . . . Now that is the first thing to get clear. What God begets is God; just as what man begets is man. What God creates is not God, just as what man makes is not man. That is why men are not Sons of God in the sense that Christ is. They may be like God in certain ways, but they are not things of the same kind."

Please note how your expression in red refutes the one in green: If to beget means [size=14pt]TO BECOME[/size] the father of, it therefore means God has not always been the father of Jesus, (according to your logic/analogy).
Again, the moment God begot, or [size=14pt]BECAME[/size] the father of Jesus, Jesus also [size=14pt]BECAME[/size] the son of God, true or false?

Recall that you claim Jesus 'never BECAME God's son'. (Your comment in green)

QUESTION: When God BECAME the father of Jesus (according to your comment in red), what happened? Did Jesus refuse to BECOME God's son?

There is a clear distinction between making and begetting, that is, you cannot make what you beget. What you make is different from yourself, what you beget has your nature. Therefore to call Jesus the only begotten Son is to say that He has God's nature and was not made. Since He has God's nature, He is, by definition, God and therefore eternal. If Jesus was created by God, He could not have been begotten, and John 3:16; 1:18, 1 John 4:9, etc. are in error.

Therefore, when the Bible says that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, it means that Jesus is equal to God, not less than God. QED.

https://www.nairaland.com/531625/evidence-deity-christ/1

I do not dispute the godship of Jesus, for even Satan is a god. The word "God" is a title that can be used to describe any kind and being, like man and Satan respectively. If you claim Jesus is or equals to the almighty god, then you are 100% wrong. No other being can BEGET (BECOME the father of) the almighty god.

Isaac was the only begotten son of Abraham, could we therefore conclude Isaac was equal to Abraham, his father? One was obviously greater than the other. The begetter is always greater than the begotten, especially in age.

OLAADEGBU:


What God begets is God; just as what man begets is man.

I have agreed with you na. Acording to your theory, Mr Ade givre birth to to Ade Jr that means Ade Junior can go to work as Ade Sr and should be given all what is due to his father irrespective of his qualification.
We are not argueing if Jesus is divine or not. We are not asking if a snake gives birth to a lion. We are asking if Jesus is the son of God, a divine being or if Jesus is God as in Jehovah himself. But if you choose to play around and act like you dont understant what this is about then by all means suit yourself.

OLAADEGBU:


Just as a kid of goat is still a goat equally the Son of God is also God.

Good, a kid of goat is still a goat.
The son of God can be said to be a God.
Likewise son of man is a man , and not man.

davien:


Carm.org is his bible folks....don't listen to him and he'll refer you to answersingenesis.org....prove more stubborn and he'll send you to gotquestions.com..

Thanks for advertising those links you will be better off reading them if you wouldn't read the Bible.

BERNIMOORE:


so the onus/burden is on me now Olaadegbu! at times when I read your posts I laugh at how you used to jump exegical holes to arrive at a straw conclusion and expect one to swallow them wholesale! Simple question you can't defend your project

The onus probandi is on you to prove that Jesus is not who He claimed to be.

Freksy:


Angels are described as 'sons of God', not as adopted sons. Can that be used as proof of their godship and equality of rank with God? Your point on the use, or non use of the word 'adoption' is weak.

All created beings such as Adam and Angels can also be referred to as 'sons' of God but not the only begotten Son of God which is reserved for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Fresky:


Please note how your expression in red refutes the one in green: If to beget means [size=14pt]TO BECOME[/size] the father of, it therefore means God has not always been the father of Jesus, (according to your logic/analogy).
Again, the moment God begot, or [size=14pt]BECAME[/size] the father of Jesus, Jesus also [size=14pt]BECAME[/size] the son of God, true or false?

Recall that you claim Jesus 'never BECAME God's son'. (Your comment in green)

QUESTION: When God BECAME the father of Jesus (according to your comment in red), what happened? Did Jesus refuse to BECOME God's son?

Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son because He eternally proceeds from the Father. He is the Father's 'selfie'

Fresky:


I do not dispute the godship of Jesus, for even Satan is a god. The word "God" is a title that can be used to describe any kind and being, like man and Satan respectively. If you claim Jesus is or equals to the almighty god, then you are 100% wrong. No other being can BEGET (BECOME the father of) the almighty god.

Isaac was the only begotten son of Abraham, could we therefore conclude Isaac was equal to Abraham, his father? One was obviously greater than the other. The begetter is always greater than the begotten, especially in age.

What God begets has the nature of God and what man begets has the nature of man. Jesus had both the natures of God and man. Simples

delishpot:


I have agreed with you na. Acording to your theory, Mr Ade givre birth to to Ade Jr that means Ade Junior can go to work as Ade Sr and should be given all what is due to his father irrespective of his qualification.
We are not argueing if Jesus is divine or not. We are not asking if a snake gives birth to a lion. We are asking if Jesus is the son of God, a divine being or if Jesus is God as in Jehovah himself. But if you choose to play around and act like you dont understant what this is about then by all means suit yourself.

Jesus is God's selfie, go figure.

dolphinheart:


Good, a kid of goat is still a goat.
The son of God can be said to be a God.
Likewise son of man is a man , and not man.

What God begets is God and what man begets is man, it's as simple as that.

@dolphinheart: May God bless your deep analytical sense.
@OLAADEGBU: May God grant you understanding and wisdom.
@myself: God pls grant me wisdom, understanding and knowledge to comprehend both physical and spiritual things and the realistic sense to accept them.

Intrepid01:


@dolphinheart: May God bless your deep analytical sense.
@OLAADEGBU: May God grant you understanding and wisdom.
@myself: God pls grant me wisdom, understanding and knowledge to comprehend both physical and spiritual things and the realistic sense to accept them.

My prayer is for you to be able to discern errors and not be swept in by every wind of doctrine.

lol just like ant that thinks it can perform experiments made by man tell me is it brain capable lol that what i refer those people that think they can understand GOD'S way.......... basically JESUS is the glory of GOD who has not been seen by anyone not even MOSES..... moses saw the glory of GOD who is JESUS you may also wonder who had been visiting adam and eve it was JESUS who those that dont see him as GOD will bow to with tears in their eyes and pleas their mouth JESUS is the word of GOD he abandoned his real nature just to save us by dying for our sins ............... anyone that enters the house without passing through the door is a thief just as some claim to serve God and not jesus they will explain how they got access to him (GOD) in the house without passing through the main door (JESUS)

OLAADEGBU:


What God begets is God and what man begets is man, it's as simple as that.

You have now dumped your own goat pikin explanation as you have realised the truth in it.

What man begets is man , does these mean the begetor and begetee are the same Man?. No. man begets man but the man begeted cannot be the same as the begetor. Neither did they come to exist at the same time.

Selfie! My God! .if jesus is the fathers selfie, what is the holy spirit? The camera?!!!!

Intrepid01:
@dolphinheart: May God bless your deep analytical sense.
@OLAADEGBU: May God grant you understanding and wisdom.
@myself: God pls grant me wisdom, understanding and knowledge to comprehend both physical and spiritual things and the realistic sense to accept them.

Amen . Though I'm not that deep, I'm still a learner.