It is so disgusting to watch how these church goers wallow in the belief that Christ's death on the cross automatically washes away their sins as soon as they acknowledge him to be the son of God.
The word of Christ himself opposes this belief when he said that, "what a man soweth that shall he reapeth". Even some of his parables directly kick against this delusion.

Non of these church goers will expect a ruler of a nation to send his deligate to a sturbon town in order to be tortured and killed, so that whoever among these sturbon murderers that believe him to be the ruler's deligate will be rewarded.

And yet they expect such a misrable piecework from God.

If that is true, then, Judas who paved the way to christ's death should be greatly rewarded with eternal life, but the bible called him a sinner.

Again, if that is true, then, God should be responsible in propagating evil in church goers (so called christains) comunitues. As any logical thinker knows that such idea alone futhers evil.

Thank you for sharing!

I do not know which knowledge you hold unto, but you have spoken well!

And with such delusion they still fear hell

ezebrain:
It is so disgusting to watch how these church goers wallow in the belief that Christ's death on the cross automatically washes away their sins as soon as they acknowledge him to be the son of God.
The word of Christ himself opposes this belief when he said that, "what a man soweth that shall he reapeth". Even some of his parables directly kick against this delusion.

It is true that a mere acknowledgement of Christ's death on the cross cannot get one saved. However, it is very correct that it is ONLY by the blood of Jesus that our sins are remitted/forgiven. That is what the scripture says.

"And almost all things are by the law purged
with blood; and without shedding of blood is no
remission." Heb 9:22

If by 'sowing and reaping', you mean working for your salvation then you are so wrong because that is not what the bible means! There are multitudes of scripture that expressly and implicitly state that salvation is the work of God completed on the cross in Christ! Your addition/work is likened to a slap on God's face.

ezebrain:

Non of these church goers will expect a ruler of a nation to send his deligate to a sturbon town in order to be tortured and killed, so that whoever among these sturbon murderers that believe him to be the ruler's deligate will be rewarded.[/b]

You have forgotten John 3:16? and even when some of his followers asked Him what the works of God were and He answered in this manner "
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is
the work of God, that ye believe on him whom
he hath sent." John 6:29.
e.

ezebrain:

And yet they expect such a misrable piecework from God.

If that is true, then, Judas who paved the way to his death should be greatly rewarded with eternal life, but the bible called him a sinner.

Again, if that is true, then, God should be responsible in propagating evil in church goers (so called christains) comunitues. As any logical thinker knows that the idea alone futhers evil.

Sad, you don't know what you are saying.

AfricanApple:
And with such delusion they still fear hell

When you genuinely know the great grace of God in Christ Jesus you will be liberated from the fear of death and hell. There is no fear in knowing that you have been forgiven in Christ and for CHRIST'S SAKE!!!
Not yours! but Christ's haha

1John4:18 " There is no fear in love; but perfect love
casteth out fear: because fear hath torment.
He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

GLORRY!!!!!!!

In the midst of the overwhelming evidence..they still dont. want to acknowledge the fact that they have lived their whole life believing a lie.....the story 400 elders sat down and voted on..and was agreed by majority..and spread with force....

radiant charger

An2elect2:

If by 'sowing and reaping', you mean working for your salvation then you are so wrong because that is not what the bible means!

It does not matter what i mean or how i interpreted the word, what matters is what Christ meant when he made the utterance. It is not difficult to understand that by "what a man soweth" he meant, the thought he think, the words he uttered and the actions he take.
And, "that shall he reapeth" is the return of the reciprocal effect. In order word, if you do good you get good return, you do bad you get bad return.

Are you not seeing all these in the work of God around you in everyday happening? Go and sow a corn, no matter how strong is your believe that Christ's death will change the law of nature and make you to reap rice, it will never happen, you must eventually reap corn. You people are simply ignorant of the fact that the force in control of nature, is the same force that controls our fate, Which Christ himself observed.

Lets see how well your "good works" wash yours away!

kay1one2:
Lets see how well your "good works" wash yours away!

Indeed, i am presently enjoying the positive effect of the word of Christ! I am blessed with good health because i sow cleanliness, hygein and help the sick. Blessed with wealth because i do charity in its pure form. Blessed with miraculous protection because i always endevour to help others in danger.

On the order side stands a church goer, who never shrinks from indulging in atrocious act without flinching, because he beleives that, after all, he will beg for forgiveness and his sins will be remitted, because Christ died for him.

When the reciprocal effect of his sins come back to him in the form of misfortune or injurious accident, he will beging to accuse God, "God, why me". And, with the help of those ignorant pastors, he begins to suspect of being bewitched by that poor old man at the village.

ezebrain:

Indeed, i am presently enjoying the positive effect of the word of Christ! I am blessed with good health because i sow cleanliness, hygein and help the sick. Blessed with wealth because i do charity in its pure form. Blessed with miraculous protection because i always endevour to help others in danger.

At the order side stands a church goer, who never shrinks from indulging in atrocious act without flinching, because he beleives that, after all, he will beg for forgiveness and his sins will be remitted, because Christ died for him.

When the reciprocal effect of his sins come back to him in the form of misfortune or injurious accident, he will beging to accuse God, "God, why me". And, with the help of those ignorant pastors, he begins to suspect of being bewitched by that poor old man at the village.

Do you know how many pharasees did the same thing you did and yet they couldn't sense that Christ was their Messiah? Christ did not just come to show us the way but also to empower us to live right. That's why He said: "All power in heaven and earth has been given unto me...". Live long enough and you'll realise one needs God's help to live Godly and true!

People have been on this road all their life, it is impossible for them to think anything else..that why most times they try to make sense out of it no matter how stupid and foolish it sound...to these people turning back is not an option..they rather continue in that wrong roaf and wish it leads somewhere.....i was a mass server when i was growing up and even rose to the position of vice president..i retired when i got admission to study chemical engineering in Uniben..i travelled to london after service..i did a private research on the validity of the jesus stories..i was surprised at what i found..my conclusion.....it is BS.....

kay1one2:

Do you know how many pharasees did the same thing you did?

That is one problem with humans, they always refer to the old, imagining that after all, things are different in their own time.

Who do we regard as the representation of the pharisees today? Those who are so quick to reject new idea no matter how logical it appears as long as it does not correnspond with their hitherto religious dogma. Those who always base their thinking on a written book and blindly cling tenaciouly to the religion of their parents, "...and the pharisees said to Christ, we have our Moses, we do not need you".
Thus, if you are honest with yourself you will know who behaves like a pharisee between me and you.

Tell me, throughout the history of mankind, if any messanger of God has ever been acceped and haboured by the existing religious leaders at his time? not at all! If Christ were to come again on earth, you church goers will not shrink from seeking to murder him again!

1 Cor. 1:18-19

"18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

The Bible coming true everyday right?

Op relax!

Maamin:
1 Cor. 1:18-19. The Bible coming true everyday right?

Another problem with these childish belivers is that they like to lace their senses with the biblical quotations they do not even understand.

If you are debating a subject with a person of another religion in order to arrive at a logical conclusion, lets say, a muslim, and he takes comfort in offering you quotations from the quoran so as to convince you. Would you not see him as a poor fool? And you are here doing the same thing. Thus can you visualise how you now appear before the eyes of any logical thinker?

What will happen if you back your agument with clear logic instead of basking in the ancient jewish manuscript? Is it fear of being obliged to penatrate deeper? Or due to lack of knowledge of this Creation?

Observe how i use the term "church goers" to qualify those childish belivers, for they are not christains in the truest sense. Him to be called a Christian is one who live the true teaching of Christ!

ezebrain:

Another problem with these childish belivers is that they like to lace their senses with the biblical quotations they do not even understand.

If you are debating a subject with a person of another religion in order to arrive at a logical conclusion, lets say, a muslim, and he takes comfort in offering you quotations from the quoran so as to convince you. Would you not see him as a poor fool? And you are here doing the same thing. Thus can you visualise how you now appear before the eyes of any logical thinker?

What will happen if you back your agument with clear logic instead of basking on the ancient jewish manuscript? Is it fear of being obliged to penatrate deeper? Or due to lack of knowledge of this Creation?

Observe how i use the word "church goers" to refer to those childish belivers, for they are not christains in the truest sense. Him to be called a Christian is one who live the true teaching of Christ!

Awww..! Did those verses sting you? Remember if it were supposed to be LOGIC I wont bother quoting the bible in the first place.

Chew on this again till you become smartbrain. 2 Cor. 4:1-6

"1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;

2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus 'sake.

6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

*Yawns and exit thread*

kadas01:
Thank you for sharing!
I do not know which knowledge you hold unto, but you have spoken well!

Thank you for the commendation.
I hold onto the knowledge that contrary to the hitherto held view, it was not Christ's death on the cross that could and should bring redemption, but the truth he gave to mankind in his word.
I hold onto the knowledge that Christ's death was not a sacrifice, but a murder.
I hold onto the knowledge that Christ did not die for mankind, but through mankind.

Consider, "at his death the veil was rent in twain", does that look like a sign of reconciliation?
If his crucifixion is much important for mankind to be saved, god would not have alowed him to spend whole stressful three years on this gloomy earth in spreading the message. What is the need of all the parables he gave to men?
Today, no pastor on earth will dare to touch upon these parables, nor worry to grasp them. They only bent on laying stress on the importance of his crucifixion.

Maamin:

Awww..! Did those verses sting you?

No! But they show your inability to think clearly. Branded you a typical uncivilized African; one of those zombies to be found in greater numbers in Nigeria.

Maamin:
Remember if it were supposed to be LOGIC I wont bother quoting the bible in the first place.

I dare say that you will not budge an inch to provide a counter logic on this subject. Try it, and you will acheive nothing more than having to cluth your whirling head.

maamin
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Chew on these again till you become smartbrain.

There you go again, i know you will not be so daring to step forward and tell me you know the difference between brain activity and intuitive perciving.

I opened this thread for clear thinkers and not for bird brains. For the fact that you are not capable, i will no longer answer your post again!

ezebrain:


No! But they show your inability to think clearly. Branded you a typical uncivilized African; one of those zombies to be found in greater numbers in Nigeria.



I dare say that you will not budge an inch to provide a counter logic on this subject. Try it, and you will acheive nothing more than having to cluth your whirling head.



There you go again, i know you will not be so daring to step forward and tell me you know the difference between brain activity and intuitive perciving.

I opened this thread for clear thinkers and not for bird brains. For the fact that you are not capable, i will no longer answer your post again!

Lol!..the last verse must have pieced you off..awww! Sorry boy. Clear thinkers dont spew what you spewed up there.

*squeezes thread and throws inside the dustbin*

AfricanApple:
And with such delusion they still fear hell

In their endeavour to ward off the fear of hell they created for themselves, they stubbornly cling to the word "not my portion", especially when confronted by the fear of unknown.
But, burying their head in the ground like an ostrich cannot help them from their well deserved fate!

Those dogmatized church slaves should be pitied for clinging blindly on illogical belief, simply in other to satisfy their parents and tutors.

I could often wonder how can even those learned ones who should be regarded as "properly trained to use their intellect"; lawyers, doctors, profesors etc, allow themselves to be dupped by those illiterate church priests just because they teach leniently. And, they will still boast of being civilized and educated.

may God forgive you @ <b>EZEBRAIN</b> i pray that God have mercy on you.

Not only is it a delusion, but also the ABOMINATION THAT MAKES PEOPLE DESOLATE according to the word of PROPHET DANIEL, a prophet of DOMINO REVERAD the true GOD of the universe whom the Bible stole his write-ups and included it in their Bible.


Read Daniel 12:1-the end...

THE ABOMINATION THAT MAKES DESOLATE(cannibalism) brought by JESUS has already replaced the DAILY SACRIFICE of animals brought by MOSES...now DOMINO REVERAD is in the era of SCATTERRING THE POWER OF THE HYPOCRITES('holy people') who are the Christians and Muslim's nationwide.

At the MENTION of the NAME OF DOMINO REVERAD, JEHOVAH and his sons must BOW!!!

kay1one2:
Lets see how well your "good works" wash yours away!

Faith which is earned to through living of one's life in continuous submission and obedience to God's commandments and teachings in Jesus Christ is the Way to come to know the Truth of God and be set free from Slavery to Sin - John 8 vs 31 - 44. There is no other way specified by Jesus Christ.