kennyosein:
Salam aleikum may Allah reward you with good, Laa ilaha illAllah is part of believe, believe does not end at Laa ilaha ill Allah, if I were to follow your reasoning it means a person who says the shaadaah and doesn't pray is also a Muslim narrated by Muslim, 82. And he
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
said: “The covenant that separates us from
them is prayer; whoever gives up prayer is a
kaafir.” Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 2621;
classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh
al-Tirmidhi .

You need to learn the meaning, conditions, and negation of Laa ilaha illAllah (none has the
right to be worshipped in truth except
Allah)

Wa alaykum salam, and ameen to your prayer, as I pray same for you.

What reasoning did I bring forth? Did I not just quote a hadith of the Prophet (SAW) which can be found in Bukhari and Muslim for you to consider? I didn’t even make any commentary on the hadith, I wonder where you got my reasoning from?
I am quite certain that those you are denigrating here did not go about telling people to abandon salah or do they? And in regards to the conditions you attached to accepting shahadah, I would love for you to watch the video below of Yusuf Estes, and tell me if what he said is not what all what the conditions the scholars had penned down to mean


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B21BvKFLCU

The most important thing is sincerity (Ikhlas), every other thing would follow bit by bit, step by step, believe does not enter the heart just like that, no matter how much you recite and memorize the conditions of the shahadah

(The bedouins say: "We believe.'' Say: "You do not believe, but say, `We have submitted,' for Faith has not yet entered your hearts...'') (Q 49:14). This honorable Ayah provides proof that Faith is a higher grade than Islam, according to the scholars of the Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jama`ah. This is also demostrated in the Hadith of Jibril, peace be upon him, when he questioned the Prophet about Islam, then Iman then Ihsan. Thus moving the general matter to one more specific, then even more specific. Imam Ahmad recorded that `Amir bin Sa`d bin Abi Waqqas said, "The Messenger of Allah gave (something to) some men and did not give one of them. Sa`d said, `O Allah's Messenger, you gave to so-and-so and so-and-so. However, you gave nothing to so-and-so, even though he is a believer.' The Prophet said, (Or say, a Muslim.) Sa`d repeated his statement thrice each time the Prophet answered, Or say, a Muslim.) The Prophet then said, (I might give some men and give nothing to others, even though the latter are dearer to me than the former. I do not give them things for fear that they might be thrown on their faces in the Fire.)'' This Hadith is recorded in the Two Sahihs. Therefore, the Prophet made a distinction between the grade of believer and the grade of Muslim, indicating that Iman is a more exclusive grade than Islam. (Tafsir Ibn Kathir)

In regards to the hadith I posted, is it not straight forward? Allah (SWT) would remove people from hell, who are these people? Those who say la illaha illa llah, and have goodness in their heart weighing an atom! Do you know the weight of an atom?! Subhanallah! That is the Mercy of Allah (SWT), which in most cases is beyond our comprehension. Please do note that I did not quote the hadith to support the ideologies of those who say your heart is the only important thing, and you need not perform any of the obligatory acts of worship, rather it was posted so that you do not continue with such mindset of belittling the activities of these scholars, I could have quoted other narrations to show the importance of their works, but I chose this to show you that even if they were all what you had presented, that a person can be brought out of hell fire due to an atom weight of goodness in the heart, then you do not have the audacity to write “what is the usefulness of calling people to the deen without the right aqeedah” isn't it reported in a famous hadith of the Prophet (SAW) that we should make da'wah even if it is by an ayah?!

kennyosein:
About Nouman Khan is affair is not something hidden so forget about misrepresentation, misconceptions, or allegations is affairs is obvious you can check on YouTube to about his story telling lectures

The Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa
sallam) said : ‘’Indeed some eloquent speech has
the influence of magic” Sahih Bukhari
The above hadith clearly indicates that the
Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa
sallam) confirmed that there will be individuals
and groups who will call to misguidance and
deviation from the straight path and their speech
will be like magic and obliviously he did not
describe them to his ummah except to warn his
ummah from their fitna (trials) and an advice to
stay away from such speakers.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (d.653 H –
rahim’ullaah ) said (concerning ahlul bidah) : ..The
damage that they do to the religious commitment
of many people is worse than the damage done
by those Mushrikeen and people of the Book who
wage war on us.. Majmoo’ al-Fataawa,
35/159-160
In our era, among the many misguided callers,
is Nouman Ali Khan who is followed and admired
by many over YouTube, Facebook, Twitter,
WhatsApp etc. Most of his admirers are the
common masses who are ignorant of the
essentials of aqidah (creed) and
manhaj (methodology) held by Salaf Us Saliheen.
For them anyone who quotes the Quran and
Hadith is a reliable scholar. They easily get
impressed especially if the speaker is good at
cracking jokes and storytelling.
I was recently informed that some individuals
ascribing themselves to knowledge and dawah
ilallaah, are promoting this individual on the
argument that …’they have not seen anything
which opposes the Book and the Sunnah from the
speech and actions of Nouman Ali khan and that
he is excellent when it comes to the explanation
of the Quran and heart softening topics..”
To have a better understanding lets reflect on the
below few questions and answers :
Q. Is quoting Quran and Hadith enough as an
evidence to judge the reliability and authenticity
of a speaker?
A. Of course NOT! Because misguided sects and
their callers do quote Quran and Hadith but
explain in a way other than the way of Salaf Us
Saliheen.
Q, Is the methodology of the Salaf NOT necessary
to have correct understanding of Quran and
Hadith?
A. Yes. Methodology of Salaf is necessary to
have the correct understanding of Quran and
Hadith as Allaah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala said :
{And the first to embrace Islaam of the Muhajirun
and the Ansar and also those who followed them
exactly. Allaah is well pleased with them, as they
are well pleased with Him. He has prepared for
them gardens under which rivers
flow (paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is
the supreme success} [Tawbah : 100]
Q. Is it NOT from the advice of the Salaf to
investigate the condition (aqidah and manhaj) of
the person from whom knowledge is taken?
A. Yes. The Salaf have repeatedly advised that
knowledge is not to be taken except from the
person of Sunnah. Imaam Muhammad Ibn
Sereen (rahimullaah d. 110 AH) had said : “This
Knowledge is a Matter of Deen, so be careful who
you take your deen from.” (Introduction of Sahih
Muslim)
Q, Is it NOT true that, Nouman Ali Khan trivializes
important questions related to the
aqidah (creed) and emaan (faith) concerning the
attributes of Allaah Ta’ala?
A. Yes. See the attached clip ( Clip No.1 ) in which
Nouman try to give false impression, that the
question “where is Allaah?” is not at all important
question and argues that such a question was
not asked by Allaah or by the Sahaba and that
such issues need to be
“KILLED” !! (Astaghfir’Allaah)
Can this be the speech of a person of
Sunnah? Was this question not asked by the
Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa
sallam) to the slave girl in the hadith of Sahih
Muslim? Have not the Salaf taken a serious stand
against those who rejected Allaah to be above his
Arsh? Refer the important
website www.abovethethrone.com on this vital
subject of Islamic faith.
Q, Are you aware, that Nouman Ali Khan does
NOT consider the cerebration of the Prophet’s
birthday as “Bidah (innovation) ”?
A. See the attached clip ( Clip No.2 ) wherein he
says that he doesn’t have any opinion on the
celebration of prophet’s birthday because it a
“NON-ISSUE”!!! How could a person of Sunnah not
denounce and free himself from actions which
have been labeled bidah by the scholars of Islam?
Did the Messenger or the Sahaba celebrate this?
Refer the important website www.bidah.com for
understating Bidah and its evil results.
Q. Are you aware that Nouman give lectures
alongside the most dangerous Sufis and
misguided callers to shirk & Bidah of our
time (like Habib Ali Al-Jifri, Hamza Yusuf, Amar
Khalid etc) ?
A. See the attached clip ( Clip No.3 ) which is the
clear proof for his deviation. if still brothers see
him to be upright in his teachings then something
is seriously wrong in their understanding! Allaah’s
Messenger ( sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said :
‘Whoever innovates something in this matter of
ours that is not a part of it will have it
rejected.’ [Bukhari]
Imaam Ibraaheem an-Nakha’ee (d. 96 H –
rahim’ullaah) said : “Do not sit with the people of
ahwaa‘[desire], for verily their gatherings cause
the light of emaan (faith) to go from the hearts,
and strip the beauty from the faces, and cause
hatred to be inherited in the hearts of the
believers.” Ibn Battah’s Al-Ibaanah no. 375
Imaam Abu Qilaabah (d.140H –
rahim’ullaah) said : “Do not sit with the people of
ahwaa‘, and do not argue with them, for verily I
do not feel safe that they will immerse you in
their misguidance or confuse you in that which
you already know. Ibn Battah’s Al-Ibaanah no.
369
Finally, I conclude by saying that the general
topics delivered by Nouman Ali Khan should not
deceive you brothers because the call of a Salafi
Daee is not just upon generalities but
he emphasizes more on the issues of aqidah and
manhaj based on knowledge with clarity along
with ordering the good and forbidding evil beliefs
and practices without mixing truth with falsehood.
In shaa Allaah, the above information should be
sufficient for the sincere seeker of truth so that
he is able to distinguish between what is claimed
about this individual and what is, in fact, the
reality. May Allaah rectify his affairs and guide
him and us to that which He Subhanahu wa
Ta’ala is pleased with. Aameen!
ahlulbidahwalhawa.com/category/criticised-individuals/nouman-ali-khan/

Anybody with an objective mind would see the sheer sensationalism of this issue, the context and perspective which Ustadh Nouman was talking from is quite clear, there is even a video to clear these issues raised


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHBD8uIEyv8

Recently, i think another issue was raised and the Usthadh had to respond through is facebook account, i believe it would do a lot good if i post it here too for us to benefit:

Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu,

I’ve decided to write this post because a few close friends forwarded me comments being made about a clip of mine taken from a program I conducted recently teaching the core concepts of Surah Yasin. It seems a number of people (whose sincerity I wouldn’t question nor do I have the right to) are concerned that I’m poking fun at the learning of the classical science of Aqeedah and some of the most famous classical scholarly manuals that deal with the monumental subject. This post will be longer than my usual writings and for that I apologize in advance.

First and foremost, Allah, His Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم and His Deen are infinitely more worthy that I stand up for them and defend them as opposed to me defending myself. If the intention behind defending oneself is to preserve dignity or reputation, my belief, as is the belief of all Muslims, is that dignity was granted to us because of this religion and when we pursue any other means to attain it, we will fail. Having said that I am compelled to explain what motivates this writing. Allah says وعسى أن تكرهوا شيئا وهو خير لكم والله يعلم وأنتم لا تعلمون. "It may well be that you all despise something and it is better for you while it is Allah, He knows and you! You don’t know!" I think in this frenzy of comments and outrage there is an opportunity to share something of value about this beautiful religion and I will try to do so to the best of my ability with clarity and sincerity. I’d also like to comment right from the get go that I was taught from an early age to uphold the dignity of all human beings especially Muslims. I don’t go around reading comments being made about me but for any who are outraged at me or may have made disparaging or judgmental remarks, they are still my family in faith and I wish them well and pray for them as I would for myself and my own family. That isn’t something special. This is just what Muslims are supposed to do.

Now, on to the subject at hand…

Part 1: My Attitude Towards the Subject of Aqeedah and the Hadith:

I have tremendous respect for the entire corpus of our scholarly tradition including the science of Aqeedah codified by great human beings of the past, may Allah grant His forgiveness and loving mercy to all of them. For those of you to whom my comments were perceived as offensive to that tradition, I apologize for coming across as insensitive and dismissive. I have studied some of the books I’m accused of making fun of with some of my own teachers and mentors (which I will get to a bit later). Historically, it is that legacy that prevented great philosophical confusion from ransacking the ummah and kept us holding on to the core teachings of the Qur’an and Sunnah in a manner that was true to the sacred text.

Secondly, often times the word Qur’aniyyoon is thrown my way. This guy always talks about the Qur’an, never about hadith. Though I’ve talked about this before, I will here again. I have regard for the subject of Hadith that is hard to put into words and appreciate that to be a muhaddith is to engage in some of the most rigorous, laborious and life consuming scholarship of any of the other Islamic sciences. In my early years learning about Islam, I would learn from brothers more knowledgeable than myself who were not hadith scholars and they would quote a hadith from Sahih Al Bukhari or Muslim or Sunnan Al-Tirmidhi. It was years later that I went through some of the same ahadith with an actual muhaddith only to discover that the context and scholarly understanding of the very same texts was so different than what a shallow translation yielded. This happened on multiple occasions. If ones understanding of the Qur’an can be problematic if not keeping in mind the historical context of revelation, and that is the word of Allah, that would certainly have to be of paramount importance when it comes to the hadith tradition. There’s far more to consider than whether or not a hadith is authentic. When did our blessed messenger say it? Who did he say it to? How was it acted upon? Are there other ahadith that complement its understanding? How did the early generations discuss this hadith? How did the fuqaha discuss this hadith? Did scholars of the past deal with potential misconceptions that may arise from this hadith if not properly understood in its rich language and context? These are a lot of questions and I for one do not suppose about myself that I can confidently comment on them without having learned them directly from a scholar of the subject. I’d rather not quote a hadith than to quote it with a partial understanding. I do cite the ahadith that I’ve had the honor of learning with certain muhadditheen for which I am eternally grateful. I also happen to have an ijazah in Al-Nawawi (may Allah show him loving mercy)’s collection of forty ahadith. Incidentally, I conducted a program a year ago called ‘Honoring the Messenger’ and part of it was to illustrate how it is impossible to believe in the book of Allah without believing in the Sunnah of His beloved Messenger SAW. So yeah, I believe in our sacred Hadith tradition and the flawless Sunnah of our messenger SAW but I’m unwilling to be reckless in citing it.

Part 2: The Pulpit and The Street

I found Islam in New York City in the nineties. When I decided to fix my life according to the mandates of Islam, I needed someone to teach me the religion. If you know anything about NYC, you know that depending on which masjid you set foot into, you’re going to be shown a very different picture of Islam. I went to a masjid where the Imam told me not to worry about learning the meanings of the Qur’an because that is only for scholars. I should concern myself with the five pillars and following the scholars (by which he meant himself and the individuals he would approve of from his particular line of thought). This by the way is not an isolated incident. I have met countless Muslims from the indian sub continent who are told that they should not attempt to understand the meanings of the Qur’an because they will get confused and they should leave that to the scholars. Just learn some dhikr and if you have a question, ask the scholar. He’s already got the perfect understanding so you wouldn’t have to do any heavy lifting.

Being a restless soul, that didn’t sit well for too long. I ended up in yet another circle, where the entire focus was to debate the truth of Islam with non-Muslims, then to another group where your spirituality was pegged to your personal relationship with a spiritual mentor without whom you wouldn’t be able to become a better Muslim and better yet, you might only be saved through this relationship. I met some brothers at a restaurant once. I remember it like it was yesterday. They saw me and recognized me as a Muslim and so they started talking to me. They told me that if my aqeedah isn’t correct that I’m fuel for the hellfire. I was worried. I asked them what they thought of all the people I had previously learned from by name. And for each of them they had the same answer. ‘He’s a good brother but his aqeedah is flawed and he’s calling people to the hellfire’. Now I was really worried. I joined their circle and was in it for more than a year. I learned to ask the first and most important question before asking anything else not only of scholars or khateebs or da’ees but also of fellow muslims. What’s his aqeedah? I even asked my dad once. What’s your aqeedah? He said, beta (which means son) we’re sunni. I didn’t respond but in my heart I said to myself, that’s what they all say. I actually believed that my family believed in what will lead them to the hellfire because they didn’t have the right aqeedah. Then came the problem of ‘how do you tell if someone has the right aqeedah or not’? For all practical purposes, I was indoctrinated into thinking that when it comes to this issue, there is no such thing as benefit of the doubt. You have to assume that anyone and everyone is corrupted in their aqeedah and you have to listen to what they say with extreme caution waiting to hear something that could prove that AH HAH! they are deviant in their aqeedah. Bear in mind this became more about fishing for what might be creatively interpreted as a problem of aqeedah than an actual problem of aqeedah. We have to be cautious, and if there is even a millionth chance that this person might mean something problematic, not only do I have to never listen to anything he ever has to say, but also warn others to stay away from him. For a short while in those two years, my only mission was to save the ummah from deviants in aqeedah. I was good at it too. Somebody could quote a book and I’d say, this person has read this book and is influenced by the ideas of the author whose aqeedah is unknown, therefore he is on the deviant list. The list was updated regularly.

What happened as a result was a spiritual void that I’ve never felt before in my life. I wasn’t close to Allah. I knew how to argue His names and attributes and debate whether He was above or everywhere but I didn’t feel His love, His guidance, His mercy and His constant company. Allah just became a subject of debate. I became accustomed to mocking Muslims who didn’t see Islam the right way that I saw it. I developed hatred for those who taught anything about Islam in ways that didn’t align with my authentic and flawless understanding. The people that I had love for were reducing by the day and by the way, some of the guys in the authentic aqeedah circle had disagreements with each other and started calling each other deviant too. That was ultra-confusing because now I didn’t know which side to pick. They both quoted the same scholars from abroad who of course wrote in Arabic so I had no way of looking at the information myself except through the lens of translation. We studied aqeedah manuals most of the time. Sometimes we studied certain ayaat of the Qur’an but we only studied them to reinforce that we are on the right aqeedah and how this ayah and that hadith were evidence against such and such group. Qur’an and Sunnah were ammunition for us.

Then a friend of mine, whom I loved because he was totally not into this whole religious debate scene, took me to this program where my first Qur’an teacher was doing a rapid translation and explanation of the entire Qur’an in Urdu. I’ll be honest, I first sat in to check for aqeedah mistakes. But the first night, as he just talked about the word of Allah, I couldn’t help my tears from rolling down my eyes. The ayaat and their explanation was doing something to me that no halaqah, no debate, no study had ever done. I genuinely desired seeking forgiveness that night. That was different because the nights before that one I was more concerned with whom else should be seeking forgiveness. As the nights of the series in Ramadan continued, I experienced a never before felt love for the Qur’an, for the messenger, for Allah. I didn’t want to learn anything else anymore. I wanted this. This is not like any other book. Nothing else has ever made me think like this, feel like this. My journey into the Qur’an began with Dr. Abdus Samie and his brilliant little Arabic class. I started memorizing more and more of the Qur’an. I started losing interest in the deviations of others and started noticing the deviations in myself.

My comments may have been disparaging to some of you and for that I apologize. But the way our beautiful scholarly tradition is being abused to pass blatant judgment against other fellow Muslims who are each in their own unique struggle spiritually, intellectually and emotionally is just unfair and cruel. Our faith is no different from the faith of Adam AS or Ibrahim AS or the Messenger of Allah SAW. The Qur’an is the best and most primary source to understand who God is because He speaks for Himself in it. When I meet young hot headed Muslims who are ready to quote a aqeedah text and defend it but haven’t had the time to memorize or recite or learn the meanings of even few surahs, I find that to be an abandonment of our salaf.

In the Musnad of Ahamd RA and Sahih Muslim, the messenger SAW says

إن الله يرفع بهذا الكتاب أقواماً ويضع به آخرين

Certainly Allah, He elevates because of this book entire nations and puts other down because of it. So when our beloved SAW says that this book will the cause of the rise of nations, which ayaat is he SAW referring to? The ones that we find useful in refuting each other? The ones that fortify our positions against others? This book is above our agendas. It is above our comfort zones. This book reign supreme and nothing will ever be a bigger priority than it. وكلمة الله هي العليا. The word of Allah, it is the Highest. It is not just another subject in Islamic studies. It is the central beam that holds this entire religion and its people together. If I spent my entire life emphasizing that it is the ultimate priority of the Muslims, it won’t be nearly enough. The Sunnah of our messenger is best described by our mother RA, كان خلقه القرآن. It is to be viewed as the Qur’an brought into practical application. It is thus not a separate entity or different subject matter but really a necessary and fundamental manifestation of the book of Allah from words to actions. When average Muslims, (not specialized students or scholars) are being taught that their first priorities need to be elsewhere, I will disagree till my dying breath. This word was powerful enough to guide the lost souls of Quraish and turn them into the greatest generation history has ever seen. It was powerful enough to guide jinns passing by just as they heard some of its miraculous ayaat. It is still powerful enough to guide any human being, Muslim or non through this age of fitnah. We are at its service and it is not at ours. Its surahs dictate what is priority. We do not impose our priorities on it. We don’t get to decide which ayaat are more important than others. Which surahs are more important than others. That is for Allah and His messenger SAW. So much of the ummah today has no idea what the word of Allah is. This Qur’an is passed to us through the sweat, blood and tears of generations before us starting with our beloved himself SAW. It isn’t cheap. People before us paid with blood so we can recite it, ponder upon it, seek guidance from it and live by it today. How is it not my top priority? Everything I will learn about islam, I will learn in the shade of Allah’s word. For that, I am not sorry.

Wassalamu Alaikum.

Again brother, be careful of what to say and write, seek Allah's forgiveness, you may not know the magnitude of that which you are doing in the sight of Allah (SWT)

kennyosein:
Recently i watched an emotional video of a lady
accepting shahadah from Yusuf Estes, there are
countless number of people that have indeed
seen the light from these people you denigrate,
and I wonder what have you done in particular?
You have been admonished to make taubah, i
also believe you should and be careful of how
you try to present the opinions of your scholars.

Just because countless people embrace Islam through this celebrities does not mean they are on the right path this is wrong, for Allah says: And if you
obey most of those on earth, they will mislead you
far away from Allah’s path. They follow nothing but
conjecture, and they do nothing but lie. [Surah Al-
An’aam, ayah 116]

And He says: But most of mankind doesn’t know.
[Surah Al-A’raaf, ayah 187]

And He says: And most of them We found to be not
true to their covenant, but most of them We found
indeed to be evil sinners. [Surah Al-A’raaf, ayah
102]

Even the kuffars covert some muslims back to polytheism does that put them on the path of truth
So the balance is not the majority or the minority.
Rather, the balance is the truth. So whoever is upon
the truth – even if he is by himself – he is the one
who is correct and deserves to be emulated. And if
the majority of the people are upon falsehood, then it
is obligatory to reject them and not be deceived by
them. So consideration is given to the truth. This is
why the scholars say: “Truth is not known by way of
men, but rather men are known by way of the truth.”
So whoever is upon the truth, then he is the one we
must follow and emulate.

If I have done anything good do you think I'll post it on nairaland just like these celebrities who publicise their good deeds and even major sins online do.

If these scholars (Sheikh Albaani, Ibn Baaz, Uthameen, Fawzaan etc) are not scholars that you agree with it then you need to assess yourself as a Muslim.

People are calling non-belivers and idol worshipers to Islam, you say they are not on the right path? do you even read what you write?! what is the right path if not Islam? And I only asked a rhetorical question, you need not answer, it is just for you to think!

I must state that this kind of mindset in which you are presenting can be likened to those of the extremists, their way is the only way, you have not threatened to kill or carry out any grave crime Alhamdulilah, but you made it look like I am less of a Muslim, or not really a Muslim, if I do not agree with the aforementioned scholars and their likes. Mind you, These Scholars are not the only scholars in the Islamic world, there are countless of pious and upright scholars all around the world, who do not even make use of these scholars materials or even agree with their methodology.

sino:
Recently, i think another issue was raised and the Usthadh had to respond through is facebook account, i believe it would do a lot good if i post it here too for us to benefit:


Again brother, be careful of what to say and write, seek Allah's forgiveness, you may not know the magnitude of that which you are doing in the sight of Allah (SWT)

Bro the reality is you cannot understand the
Quran without learning the Hadith of Prophets (peace be upon him), Tafseer which was
written by Scholars. So the whole premise of the
argument of only focusing on the Quran seems
flawed. Imam Ash-Shafi actually put most of his
emphasis on learning Arabic and Grammar. That
is because understanding the Quran and Hadeeth
correctly (even if it be one verse) is considered
far greater than if you recited the whole Quran
front to back.
So even if a person was to say they were only
going to study Quran, the reality is that they
would have an ocean of books outside the Quran
that they have to study to properly understand
the Quran. And if you think the Categories of
Tawheed and Aqeedah are difficult, wait until you
pick up a book of Arabic Grammar. And no
reputable Quran Scholar (Mufasir) would ever
claim that learning Arabic Grammar was irrelevant
to understanding the Quran.
So if that's the case with Grammar, then how can
we belittle proper understanding of Allah's names
and Attributes which the central theme of the
Quran? And mind you in all the books that teach
these Subjects the Scholars are quoting Quranic
verses and using that as a source of their
arguement. So the claim that this book or that is
taking priority over the Quran is just false.
Anyone who wishes to teach Islam needs to make clear their Aqeedah. It's a Salaf practice.
Imam Ahmad was very keen on knowing if people
believed the Quran was created or not. It's not a
game.

Imagine Nouman Khan doing tafseer of the quran just with an ijaazah in the 40 hadeeth of nawawi and he automatically becomes a scholar. If you
want to do tafseer of the Quran you need to
study the science of hadeeth in depth and if you
want to discuss the laws of the quran then you
need to study the science of fiqh. He mentioned
that the Prophet's (peace be upon him) character was the quran but where in the quran does it say how he spoke and how he ate etc? ? for that he needs to study
the sunnah in depth. When Abu Bakr was asked to explain a verse of the Qur'an. He replied, "Which sky will shelter me an which earth will hold me if I speak about a verse of the Qur'an without knowledge." Do you think Abubakr didn't understand Arabic grammar

Dr. R.K. Noor Muhammad Umari
Madani
Vice President, Jamiat Ahlul Hadith, Tamil Nadu
India

All Praise is due to Allaah and may the peace and
blessings be upon the messenger of Allaah and
upon his family and Companions and those who
do ittiba' of them in goodness until the Day of
Judgement.
Nouman Ali Khan is a non Salafi, Sufi da'ee. From
his programs, and his attachment to Sufi
personalities, it becomes clear that he is not
Salafi. And those people upon the correct
Aqeedah should stay far away from, and not
listen to the talks of such people who don't know
what Aqeedah is, and in fact make fun of it.
Number 1: In one talk he said "Did Allaah give
great importance to where is Allaah? People ask
where is Allaah? Did Allaah ask this question? Did
the Messenger of Allaah sallAllaahu alaihi wa
sallam ask this question? Did the Sahabah ask
it?" (Shaikh provides YouTube url).
Whereas in the hadeeth of Saheeh Muslim (no.
1227) the noble Prophet sallAllaahu alaihi wa
sallam asked a slave girl "where is Allaah?" When
he was trying to ascertain whether she has
Imaan. To which she answered that Allaah is
above the heavens.

Number 2: He says that someone asked him if we
can celebrate the birthday of the Prophet
sallAllaahu alaihi wa sallam? He says “I replied
that I have no opinion on this. This is not some
important issue. Important issues are that today's
youth are using drugs and leaving Islam. You are
putting so much effort into is this halal or haram,
is this bid'ah or sunnah?” (Shaikh provides
YouTube url)
If we don't differentiate between sunnah and
bid'ah then which Islam is correct or incorrect?
The sin of bid'ah is worse than the sins like
stealing, consuming intoxicants etc. This is
because the person of innovation does it thinking
it to be sunnah. Whereas the alcoholic drinks
alcohol knowing it to be a sin and tries to repent
from it.

Number 3: He said in his tafseer of Soorah Yasin
that a woman came up to him in Kuwait after a
talk and said to him. "You should tell the people
about this book, and you should teach the correct
Aqeedah, Ruboobiyyah, Uloohiyyah, Asma wa
Sifaat, so that people can know the correct
Aqeedah.”
And he says I said “thank you, is this book the
Qur'aan? Is it a Soorah? She replied it contains
such and such topics, it mentions the sects,
people do a lot of shirk because they do not know
the correct Aqeedah.... I felt as if I'm a mushrik
as well. Then she asked don't you know this
stuff? I said “No”. She then asked don't you want
to know about it? I said “No, I don't want to
know either...".”
Then he went on to say in refutation of this, "I
thought I'll try to find out where Allaah has talked
about Aqeedah. Maybe I can find an ayah of
Aqeedah; but I didn't find the word Aqeedah in
the Qur'aan... If this word was really important it
would have been in the Qur'aan"
It becomes clear from this speech of his that this
unfortunate person neither knows Arabic, nor
knows Deen. But he does know how to speak.
Amongst the English speaking common people,
Nouman Ali Khan is held as a Mufassir of the
Qur'aan. We ask him, is “Tafseer” mentioned in
the Qur'aan? So then what is Mr Nouman up to?
Have the words “Sunnah” and “Hadeeth” come in
the Qur'aan with the meaning of ahadeeth of the
Messenger sallAllaahu alaihi wa sallam? So are
we not to take hadeeth then?
This lady told him that "people do a lot of shirk
because they don't know the correct Aqeedah".
Despite this Nouman Ali Khan doesn't see the
subject of tawheed as important.

I (Shaikh RK Noor) don't know which Islam you
give people da'wah to? If saving oneself and
others from shirk in Allah's worship is not Islam
then which Islam is it? Islam's second name is
Tawheed. The purpose of revelation of the
Qur'aan and all the Heavenly Books and the
sending of the Noble Prophets is the Tawheed of
Allaah ta'alaa and safety from Shirk.
This makes it clear that Nouman Ali Khan is
unable to recognise the da'wah of the Prophets.
Because every Prophet's da'wah has been to
worship Allah alone (Surah Anbiya Ayah 21)
Even though the word “Aqeedah” itself is not in
the Quran, three words derived from its root word
are:
١ - ﺍﻟﻌﻘﻮﺩ ‏( ﭐﻭﻓﻮﺍ ﺑﺎﻟﻌﻘﻮﺩ ‏) ﺍﻟﻤﺎﺋﺪﻩ - ١
٢ - ﻋﻘﺪﺕ ‏( ﻭَﺍﻟَّﺬِﻳﻦَ ﻋَﻘَﺪَﺕْ ﺃَﻳْﻤَﺎﻧُﻜُﻢْ ‏) ﺍﻟﻨﺴﺎﺀ - ٣٣
٣ - ﻋﻘﺪﺗﻢ ‏( ﻭَﻟَٰﻜِﻦ ﻳُﺆَﺍﺧِﺬُﻛُﻢ ﺑِﻤَﺎ ﻋَﻘَّﺪﺗُّﻢُ ﺍﻟْﺄَﻳْﻤَﺎﻥَ ‏) ﺍﻟﻤﺎﺋﺪﺓ -
٨٩
In these three words the meaning of firmness is
found which is contained in the technical meaning
of the word Aqeedah. Namely those fundamental
things which a person has complete certainty and
faith in.
In respect of the technical meaning of Aqeedah it
has come as a word in the hadith ( ﻳﻌﺘﻘﺪ ) in
Sunan Darimi no 229, there is an authentic
narration from Zaid bin Thaabit radhiyAllaahu
anhu that “Whichever Muslim holds the Aqeedah
of three things in his heart will definitely enter
paradise...”
In the noble Quran the word Imaan has been used
with the meaning of Aqeedah which Nouman Ali
Khan himself admits to, in his talk, when he says
'nobody has taught Imaan better than the
prophets, Imaan or Aqeedah.'
This clearly shows that Nouman Ali Khan knows
that Aqeedah means Imaan, despite this due to
partisanship and hatred for the Salafi Manhaj he
could not even tolerate the word Aqeedah.
Tawheed ar Ruboobiyyah, Tawheed al Uloohiyyah
and Tawheed ul Asmaa was Sifaat are
categorised in this way to help to understand
Tawheed. This is due to the fact that people
generally understand Tawheed to only mean
Ruboobiyyah. However even the kuffaar of the
Quraish accepted Allaah as their Rabb. And this
categorisation has been taken from the Quran
itself and not from any other book.
However Mr Nouman is so biased that he could
not even bring himself to look at the book that
this lady had told him about, so that he could
examine it to see whether it speaks in the light of
the Quran and hadith or without evidence.
I don't know if the al Bayyinah institute which he
founded and whose logo he wears on his collar
even understands the meaning of this word or
not.
Mr Nouman Ali Khan claims to want to stay away
from the discussion about the sects whereas the
Quran orders to follow the straight path and to
stay away from sectarianism, see Surah al
An'aam ayah 2.

Number 4: Nouman Ali Khan is an admirer and
supporter of Molana Tariq Jamil, the Sufi. And it
is known about Tariq Jamil that he is a Sufi
personality. The Salaf taught us that if a person
of innovation's bidah is not becoming clear to us,
then at the very least his companionship is not
hidden, because the companionship of ahlul bidah
is with the ulama of ahlul bidah not with the
ulama of ahlul haq.
Therefore salafi brothers and sisters are
requested to keep far away from such people and
instead take benefit from the ulama of the truth
such as Allaamah Shaikh bin Baaz, Shaikh
Albaani, Shaikh ibn Uthaymeen rahimahumullaah,
and Shaikh Saalih al Fawzaan and Shaikh Abdul
Muhsin al Abaad hafidhahumallaah and their likes,
so they can be guided to the true deen.
May Allaah allow us all to be steadfast upon the
truth.
www.theclearpath.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&p=59#p59

More Hadith prohibiting pictures:

(Sahih-Al- Bukhari, 7.833, Narrated by Abu Talha)

The Prophet said, 'Angels do not enter a house in which there are dogs or pictures'.

Sahih Muslim

We were with Masruq at the house of Yasar bin Numair. Masruq saw pictures on his terrace and said, "I heard 'Abdullah saying that he heard the Prophet saying, "The people who will receive the severest punishment from Allah will be the picture makers.'"

Hadith 7.844 (Al-Bukhari Hadith)

(Narrated by Salim's father: Once Gabriel promised to visit the Prophet but he delayed and the Prophet got worried about that. At last he came out and found Gabriel and complained to him of his grief (for his delay). Gabriel said to him, "We do not enter a place in which there is a picture or a dog."

Hadith 7.844 (Al-Bukhari Hadith)

(the wife of the Prophet) I bought a cushion having pictures on it. When Allah's Apostle saw it, he stopped at the gate and did not enter. I noticed the signs of hatred (for that) on his face! I said, "O Allah's Apostle! I turn to Allah and His Apostle in repentance! What sin have I committed?" He said, "What about this cushion?" I said, - I bought it for you to sit on and recline on." Allah's Apostle said, "The makers of these pictures will be punished (severely) on the Day of Resurrection and it will be said to them, 'Make alive what you have created.'" He added, "Angels do not enter a house in which there are pictures."(narrated by Ayesha).

Quran cannot be understood in exclusion to Sunnah, nor can Quran and Sunnah be practiced in exclusion to how the Salaf practiced it.
May Allah guide him upon the truth or destroy his falsehood. Ameen

Empiree:
PICTURES IN ISLAM

@ OP, you have to understand that in view of unprecedented development in print and electronic media, particularly TV, Internet and Video phones, it is important that we understand the issue of 'pictures' in Islam in its proper perspective. I understand the opinions of Islamic scholars are divided on this subject.

Al-Qur'an takes precedent first. So let's review that.


(1) It is in Quran - وَاتَّخَذَ قَوْمُ مُوسَىٰ مِن بَعْدِهِ مِنْ حُلِيِّهِمْ عِجْلًا جَسَدًا لَّهُ خُوَارٌ ۚ أَلَمْ يَرَوْا أَنَّهُ لَا يُكَلِّمُهُمْ وَلَا يَهْدِيهِمْ سَبِيلًا ۘ اتَّخَذُوهُ وَكَانُوا ظَالِمِينَ (Meaning - The people of (Prophet) Musa ( علیھ السلا م ) made in his absence, out of their ornaments, the image of calf, (for worship): it seemed to low: did they not see that it could neither speak to them, nor show them the way? They took it for worship and they did wrong. (Al-Araf - 148).



(2) It is in Quran - وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا إِبْرَاهِيمَ رُشْدَهُ مِن قَبْلُ وَكُنَّا بِهِ عَالِمِينَ- إِذْ قَالَ لِأَبِيهِ وَقَوْمِهِ مَا هَـٰذِهِ التَّمَاثِيلُ الَّتِي أَنتُمْ لَهَا عَاكِفُونَ - قَالُوا وَجَدْنَا آبَاءَنَا لَهَا عَابِدِينَ - قَالَ لَقَدْ كُنتُمْ أَنتُمْ وَآبَاؤُكُمْ فِي ضَلَالٍ مُّبِينٍ (Meaning - We bestowed aforetime on Abraham ( علیھ السلا م ) his righteousness of conduct, and well were We (Allah - swt) acquainted with him. Behold! He (Abraham - علیھ السلا م ) said to his father (the brother of his father whom he used to call father out of affection) and his people, "What are these images, to which you are (so assiduously) devoted?" They said, "We found our fathers worshiping them." He said, "Indeed you have been in manifest error, you and your fathers." (Al-Anbiya - 51-54).



(3) It is in Quran - يَعْمَلُونَ لَهُ مَا يَشَاءُ مِن مَّحَارِيبَ وَتَمَاثِيلَ وَجِفَانٍ كَالْجَوَابِ وَقُدُورٍ رَّاسِيَاتٍ ۚ اعْمَلُوا آلَ دَاوُودَ شُكْرًا ۚ وَقَلِيلٌ مِّنْ عِبَادِيَ الشَّكُورُ ( Meaning - They worked for him (Prophet Sulaiman - علیھ السلا م) as he desired, (making) arches, images, basins as large as reservoirs, and (cooking) cauldrons fixed (in their places):"Work O'Sons of David (علیھ السلا م)with thanks! but few of My servants are grateful!". (Saba - 13).


The first Quranic verse says that in the absence of Prophet Musa ( علیھ السلا م ) some people made an image of a Calf [size=15pt]for worship.[/size] This act on their part was wrong.

The second Quranic verse says that some people in Prophet Ibrahim's ( علیھ السلا م ) time made some images and [size=15pt]worshiped them.[/size] This act on their part was wrong.

The third Quranic verse says that some people [size=15pt]worked as per the orders of Prophet Sulaiman ( علیھ السلا م ) and made images.[/size] This act on their part was right. Why? Because these images were not meant for worship.

The above Quranic verses confirm the fact that the intention behind making images has to be virtuous. Images made with bad intention (for worship) are disallowed and images made out of good intention are allowed in Islam.


AS PER AHADITH

DRAWING / TAKING PICTURES OR EVEN MAKING DOLLS (HUMAN OR ANIMAL SHAPES) FOR GOOD PURPOSES IS ALLOWED IN ISLAM

(1) It is in Hadith - Narrated by Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) - "I used to play with dolls in the presence of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) would call them to join and play with me. (Bukhari).

(2) It is in Hadith - Narrated by Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) "When the Apostle of Allah (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) arrived after the expedition of Tabuk or Khaybar (the narrator is doubtful), the drought raised an end of a curtain which was hung in front of her store-room, revealing some dolls which belonged to her. He asked: What is this? She replied: My dolls. Among them he saw a horse with wings made of rags, and asked: What is this I see among them? She replied: A horse. He asked: What is this that it has on it? She replied: Two wings. He asked: A horse with two wings? She replied: Have you not heard that Solomon had horses with wings? She said: Thereupon the Apostle of Allah (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) laughed so heartily that I could see his molar teeth. (Abu Dawud).


In Saudi Arabia we see the pictures of their kings hanging on the walls of every Government office, Universities and importance buildings. This is done as remembrance and a mark of respect and reverence to their kings. We also see all Saudi/Salafi newspapers publishing the pictures of their Ulema/people/royal family members freely on print media/newspapers/internet.

So the essence of the "science of hadith" quoted in the op making 'pictures' forbidden is in act of worship. That was the primary reason for it interdiction. Didnt Sheik bin Baz (RA) see pictures of great Ulama and Kings everywhere when he was alive?


Finally, it is in Hadith - Umar (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) narrated : I heard Allah's Apostle (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) saying, "The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended." (Bukhari, Book 1, Volume 1)

@kennyosein. pls what do you have in response to this @empiree's post?

kazlaw2000:

@kennyosein. pls what do you have in response to this @empiree's post?

Do you think I should reply a person who called himself a sufi, I have argued with him on another thread he made it clear he is in the path of sufi methodology may Allah guide him to the truth.

sino:

People are calling non-belivers and idol worshipers to Islam, you say they are not on the right path? do you even read what you write?! what is the right path if not Islam? And I only asked a rhetorical question, you need not answer, it is just for you to think!

I must state that this kind of mindset in which you are presenting can be likened to those of the extremists, their way is the only way, you have not threatened to kill or carry out any grave crime Alhamdulilah, but you made it look like I am less of a Muslim, or not really a Muslim, if I do not agree with the aforementioned scholars and their likes. Mind you, These Scholars are not the only scholars in the Islamic world, there are countless of pious and upright scholars all around the world, who do not even make use of these scholars materials or even agree with their methodology.

I don't care about what you think or say about my person what matters is clarify the falsehood of this deviants Hudhaifah Bin al Yamaan
(radiyallaahu anhu). He said:
People used to ask the Messenger of Allaah
(sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) about the good
times, but I used to ask him about bad times
fearing lest they overtake me. I said: Messenger
of Allaah, we were in the midst of ignorance and
evil, and then God brought us this good (time
through Islam). Is there any bad time after this
good one?
He said: Yes. I asked: Will there be a good time
again after that bad time? He said: Yes, but
therein will be a hidden evil. I asked: What will be
the evil hidden therein? He said: (That time will
witness the rise of) the people who will adopt
ways other than mine and seek guidance other
than mine. You will know (their) good points as
well as (their)bad points. I asked: Will there be a
bad time after this good one?
He said: Yes. (A time will come) when there will
be people standing and inviting at the gates of
Hell. Whosoever responds to their call they will
throw them into the fire. I said: Messenger of
Allaah, describe them for us.

He said: All right. They will be a people having
the same complexion as ours and speaking our
language. I said: Messenger of Allaah, what do
you suggest if I happen to live in that time? He
said: You should stick to the main body of the
Muslims and their leader. I said: If they have no
(such thing as the) main body and have no
leader? He said: Separate yourself from all these
factions, though you may have to eat the roots of
trees (in a jungle) until death comes to you and
you are in this state.
(Collected by Bukhari and Muslim. The wording
of the above is that of Imaam Muslim)

The human being must learn about the truth, and
its proofs and evidences. He is to learn and
know that which is false and the doubts
associated with it, in order that he can be saved
from falsehood, and to warn the people against
it. How can he avoid and warn people against it,
if he is not aware of it.

The Messenger (sallal-laahu alayhi wasallam)
said:
”They(i.e. these callers to the gates of hell-fire)
will be from our own people and will speak our
language”

How many of these callers call towards tawheed/aqeeda and Allah says ”And when they speak, you listen to their words” (Al Munaafiquun 63:4)
They possess eloquence that grabs the
attention of the listener. The listener listens to
them because of their eloquent speech. The
Prophet (sallal-laahu alayhi wasallam) said:
”Indeed some eloquent speech has the influence
of magic”(e.g., some people refuse to do
something and then a good eloquent speaker
addresses them and then they agree to do that
very thing after his speech) (Bukhari Vol 7.
Hadith No: 5146)

Not all who call to the deen are on the straight path especially these celebrities you called scholars many are callers to the fire.

Do not bewildered by the great numbers
of open callers to shirk and innovations from
among the 72 destroyed sects upon opposition to
the way of our salafus saalih, nor join those so-
called eloquent speakers of the parties and
organizations upon haraam unity.

May Allah rectify their affairs.

Sissie:
@Kennyosein it's either you go back and edit your post or I edit it for you. If you cannot make your points without insults then you keep quiet.

This is unfair, kennyosein 's post might have been a bit impolite but there is nothing insultive in it. You and your friends are embittered simply because you admire these scholars and put them on a pedestal. There are persons calling other posters "hypocrite and dajjal" in this section and you don't mind. In one of my last threads, someone posted a silly gif mocking me and he wasn't even corrected by any of you. Those scholars kenny condemned couldn't care less about a Nairaland poster yet you are offended.

kennyosein:


Do you think I should reply a person who called himself a sufi, I have argued with him on another thread he made it clear he is in the path of sufi methodology may Allah guide him to the truth.

Pls let's forget about @empiree and address the issue at hand. I am much particular about what you have to say on the Hadiiths of Aisha's dolls. Has an exception been granted to children's dolls? Also what do you say about the Saudi King's potrait that can be seen everywhere in Saudi and even those of Scholars seen on newspapers? Are they also wrong? Pls understand I'm not taunting you.

kazlaw2000:

Pls let's forget about @empiree and address the issue at hand. I am much particular about what you have to say on the Hadiiths of Aisha's dolls. Has an exception been granted to children's dolls? Also what do you say about the Saudi King's potrait that can be seen everywhere in Saudi and even those of Scholars seen on newspapers? Are they also wrong? Pls understand I'm not taunting you.

It was authentically reported in the Two Sahih
Books of Hadith: On the authority of `Aishah who
narrated: I used to play with dolls in the presence
of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and I had
female friends who used to play along with me.
They would hide from the Messenger of Allah
(peace be upon him) whenever he entered, but he
would call them to join and play with me.
Al-Hafizh said in Al-Fath, “This Hadith has been
used as a proof for the permissibility of
possessing suras of dolls and toys so that young
girls may play with them. This has been an
exception to the general prohibition of possessing
suras . `Iyad confirmed this opinion and reported
that it was the same opinion of the Jumhur who
permitted the selling of toys for little girls to train
them from childhood for household
responsibilities and childrearing. He added that
some scholars believed that this permissibility
was Mansukh (abrogated). Ibn Battal inclined to
this opinion. It is reported from Ibn Abu Zayd
from Malik that he disliked that a man buys dolls
for his daughter. Accordingly, Al-Dawudy was in
favor of the opinion that the permissibility was
Mansukh.
“However, Ibn Hibban entitled a chapter:
Permissibility for young women to play with dolls.
Al-Nasa’y also entitled a chapter: Man’s
permitting his wife to play with dolls. He did not
restrict this to childhood, but this opinion is
debatable.
“After mentioning the Takhrij (referencing) of
Hadith, Al-Bayhaqy said, “The prohibition of
possessing suras has been confirmed.” Thus, the
permission given to `Aishah in this matter was
perhaps before rendering it as prohibited. The
same opinion was held by Ibn Al-Jawzy.” He went
on to say, “Abu Dawud, and Al-Nasa’y related
another narration on the authority of `Aishah who
said: The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon
him) returned from the Battle of Tabuk or
Khaybar… And he mentioned the Hadith of tearing
up the curtain which `Aishah had hung at her
door. She said, “The side of the curtain which
was over dolls of `Aishah was uncovered. He
(peace be upon him) asked: What is this, O
`Aishah? She answered: My dolls. She, then, said:
He saw amongst them a two-winged horse tied
up. He asked about it and she replied: A horse
having two wings. Did not youhear that Sulayman
had horses with wings? Upon this, he laughed.”
He continued to say, “Al-Khattaby said: This
Hadith indicates that playing with dolls is not like
having amusement with other suras regarding
which warnings have been issued. In fact, `Aishah
was given the permission to play with dolls,
because she had not reached the age of puberty
at that time.”
“I believe that it is questionable to confirm that
she had not reached the age of puberty at that
time, though it might possibly be so. This is
because `Aishah at the time of the Battle of
Khaybar was fourteen years old; she was either
past the age of fourteen or was approaching it. In
the Battle of Tabuk, on the other hand, she
definitely had reached the age of puberty. Thus,
the strongest opinion is that of those who said it
was in the Battle of Khaybar. Reconciliation is to
be made with what Al-Khattaby stated because
this is better than assuming that the reports are
in conflict.” This is the end of Al-Hafizh’s quote.
If you have understood what Al-Hafizh (may Allah
be merciful to him) mentioned, then it is safer to
avoid possession of toys. This is because their
lawfulness is doubtful due to the possibility that
the Prophet (peace be upon him) might have
approved of `Aishah’s possession of dolls before
the order to efface suras was revealed. In such a
case, the permission would be considered
Mansukh by the Hadith including the order to
efface suras except those whose heads are cut
off or those which are degraded, as stated by Al-
Bayhaqy, Ibn Al-Jawzy, and Ibn Battal. Another
possibility is that this permission could be a
special exception to the general prohibition, as
the Jumhur (dominant majority of scholars) have
stated, for the sake of training girls to be mothers
and because playing with dolls entails a kind of
disrespect. As this possibilities loom and the
doubt is there, it is safer to avoid the possession
of toys and dolls. In fact, it is better to train girls
using non-corporeal toys in order to be safe from
the questionable matter regarding the possession
of corporeal dolls. In this way, you will be acting
according to the following Hadith in which the
Prophet (peace be upon him) stated: Leave what
causes you doubt and turn to what does not
cause you doubt. Also, it is narrated on the
authority of Al-Nu`man ibn Bashir – as related in
the Two Sahih Books of Hadith: What is lawful is
evident and what is unlawful is evident, and in
between them are doubtful matters which many
people do not know. Thus, whoever guards against
doubtful matters keeps their religion and honor
blameless, and whoever indulges in doubtful matters,
indulges, in fact, in unlawful matters, just as a
shepherd who pastures their animals round a
preserve will soon pasture them in it . And Allah
knows best!
Peace be upon our Prophet Muhammad and his
family
http://www.alifta.net/Fatawa/
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kennyosein:


Do you think I should reply a person who called himself a sufi, I have argued with him on another thread he made it clear he is in the path of sufi methodology may Allah guide him to the truth.

kenny kenny kenny my friend. How u dey. Easy brother. See, i was right about you in the other thread . You just proved it. And where did I say I am Sufi?. If I should say that it means I have to defend every single non sunnah practices by some Sufis. Yes, I do share sufi methodology because I have studied them to be correct. I believe many muslims dont know how to listen to them. But this is not the subject of discussion here.

And who told you are on haq and everybody else is on falsehood or bid'ah?. Where is certificate issued to you by Allah or His Malaikat confirming your assertion?. You aint dead yet but you are so comfortable?. Brother sino's posts are comprehensive enough. Anyways, let me leave you with words of great Sheik Adam Abdullah Al-ilory(RTA) on THE PRISTINE SUFISM AND PRISTINE SALAFISM


"I am a sufi as long as tasawwuf means indifference to what is with people and yearning for that which is with God. And I am a sufi only if tasawwuf signifies the unveiling of unseen realities and inspired knowledge of God the Creator."


[size=14pt]"And I am a salafi as long as salafiyya refers to holding to the Sacred Law with practices based on what is flexible and evolving rather than that which is rigid and narrow."[/size].

You follow the later which is not always right with time.

It is clear that making Taswir of the head
and other parts of the body of animate beings is
prohibited because the ruling stated by the
Sahih Hadith is generally applied
and no one is allowed to make exceptions to this
general ruling beyond those stated by the Law-
Giver.
There is no difference in this ruling between
corporeal suras and others inscribed on curtains,
papers, etc. As there is no difference between
suras of humans and other beings with souls and
the suras of kings, scholars, etc. In fact, the
degree of prohibition regarding the suras of kings,
scholars, and other influential people is severer,
because the Fitnah that might be caused by them
is greater. Also, hanging their suras in sitting
areas and elsewhere and revering them are of the
most dangerous means leading to Shirk
(associating others with Allah in His Divinity or
worship) and to the worship of such persons
along with Allah as happened to the people of
Nuh. Al-Khattaby.

Just because the Kings and Officers in Saudi hang and take pictures is not an evidence in support of taking selfies Islamic legislature is not derived from kings, president etc....

Sheik Saalih Ibn Fawzaan al- Fawzaan
The ruling concrning Acquisition and Retention of
Childrens toys which have Body( Three-
deimensional)
Question : The opinions and legal rulings
concerning childrens toys have become numerous.
What is the ruling concerning dolls and three
dimensional animal(toys)? There are those who
rule that their possession is permissable with the
condition that they be degraded and not given
importance or attention. Then there are those
who rule it totally impermissable. What is the
correct ruling?Also what is the ruling concerning
use of those pictured cards used for teaching
children the letters of the alphabet, numbers,and
the manner of performing ablution and prayer?
May you inform me and may Allah benefit you!
Answer: The acquisition of images of that which
has a soul (dhawaat al-arwaah) is not
permissable, except those images which are kept
out of neccesity-like the images of hafeezat an
nufoos, personal id card, and liscence. Other
images besided this are not permissable to be
retained as childrens toys, nor for the purpose of
teaching them. This is because of the generality
of the prohobition of making images (tasweer)
and the use of them.
There are so many childrens toys that do not
have images. And there are other means of
teaching them besides the use of images(suwar).
Whoever allows the acquisition of images for
childrens toys-his opinion is rejected, because he
has relied on the hadith which mentions the dolls
of Aaisha radiallahu anha when she was a small
girl.However it is said that the hadith of Aasiha is
abrogated by the ahaadith which prohibits image
making. it has also been said that the images
mentioned in the hadith were not the same form
as the images now present. Instead they were
made from rags and scraps, and sticks and twigs
known in their time.They did not imitate the
shape or form of the animals like the ones today
do. This is the correct opinion and Allah knows
best !. The images known today are exact
likeness of animals. In fact some of them move
just like the movement of these animals.
Silsilah Kitaab ad - Da'wah 8/23,24
This was taken from the book " The Islaamic
Ruling ConcerningTasweer"

This Sheikh Albaani clarification on the hadeeth of Aishah (May Allah be pleased with her)
salaf-us-saalih.com/2013/03/25/guidelines-on-childrens-clothes-with-pictures-and-on-dolls-sheikh-muhammad-naasir-ud-deen-al-albaanee-may-allah-have-mercy-on-him/

opey25:
At the rate at which hadiths are being twisted,the use of a mirror will be also termed haram.

Mirror na Shirk (polytheism) on this thread fa
Those that can label eating spoon as bid'a will definitely takfir whoever uses mirror. Weird!

usermane:


This is unfair, kennyosein 's post might have been a bit impolite but there is nothing insultive in it. You and your friends are embittered simply because you admire these scholars and put them on a pedestal. There are persons calling other posters "hypocrite and dajjal" in this section and you don't mind. In one of my last threads, someone posted a silly gif mocking me and he wasn't even corrected by any of you. Those scholars kenny condemned couldn't care less about a Nairaland poster yet you are offended.

There is a report button, if you see someone calls another a hypocrite or dajjal report it.

I don't see everything, neither does Mukina.

kennyosein:

Lol......perhaps you should highlight the libel and 'keep quite' is not a taunt.

I guess to you calling people ignoramus is not an insult.

AlBaqir:


Mirror na Shirk (polytheism) on this thread fa
Those that can label eating spoon as bid'a will definitely takfir whoever uses mirror. Weird!

Eating spoon bidiah ke!

AlBaqir:


Mirror na Shirk (polytheism) on this thread fa
Those that can label eating spoon as bid'a will definitely takfir whoever uses mirror. Weird!

@ albaqir, do you have video clip for Ali Jabata?. I dont know who the man is.


@kennyosein, this is perfectly directed at you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCB32MOjfNo

@Kennyosein Honestly, I do not know of any better response to give you than what the Ustadh had written, you need to read it carefully again, and this time, without prejudice, for what you have repeated, had been pointed out clearly in the response. I do not wish to continue on this issue, but i would like to make a point. Being fixated on terminologies such as aqeedah does not make you or anyone a better Muslim, i even wonder what is aqeedah? what is tawheed? what has the Qur'an come to teach? Anyone with proper understanding would know that the Qur'an has come to teach us about Allah (SWT), how to build a relationship with Allah (SWT) in total submission to Him. And when defining aqeedah/tawheed, the Qur'an is being relied upon majorly, so I wonder how the one who calls to the Qur'an (Allah's Book), or the one who calls to Islam, is calling to falsehood and hell?! it is quite beyond me to understand this logic. Allahu Must'aan

@Topic, it is quite funny that these picture is haram group have found it difficult to speak against their broadcasting pictures live all over the world of humans in Makkah, aren't their scholars, the scholars of the KSA?! What has stopped them from passing fatwas calling their leaders deviants and all what not, and enforcing a ban on such broadcast? Just my thoughts though.

Again, there are reports of Sahabahs, Tabi'in and Salafs who saw nothing wrong in images in mats or cushion, as long as it is not hanged for reverence but rather being walked/trampled upon.

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...Ikrimah said, we used to dislike what is being revered(hanged or erected for reverence) of images, and we didn't see anything wrong in (images) that we walk on (i.e as a mat)


it is said about Ibn Sireen, he does not see any issue with what is being walked on of images

There are more of this narrations from Musnaf Ibn Abi Shaybah....This shows the understanding of these pious predecessors in regards to the prohibition of images during the time of the prophet (SAW), they didn't go overboard, they understood the reasons behind prohibition, and acted accordingly.

And from Islam web fatwa, it stated that the majority of the scholars from the Hanafi, the Maliki, the Shafii and the Hanbali say it is permissible to have an image on furniture, mats, pillows and the likes.... as long as it is not venerated or hanged/erected http://fatwa.islamweb.net/fatwa/printfatwa.php?Id=22143&lang=A

Another pertinent question to ask is, was pictures (photographs) available during the time of the Prophet (SAW)? the answer is NO, the only thing we can compare picture in our time to the time of the Prophet (SAW) is a mirror and a mirror is not haram in Islam.

Yes we can talk about the excesses of people in taking pictures and the dangers in this, and also the etiquette which Islam as thought us to uphold, especially in terms of modesty, dressing and appearance etc.

And Allah (SWT) knows best.

@sino
What attracted me to the thread is that a similar thread has been addressed in the past where someone posted an article directed against Nouman Ali Khan.

I recall one of his videos where he lamented how much time we muslims waste on "scholar wars". Totally unproductive

I advise that you save your time for more rewarding things than try to change kennyosein's mind. May Allah safeguard us, Ameen

@kennyosein

I try to follow your presentations and it appears to me that anyone who presents Islam in a beautiful manner that makes people, muslims and non muslims, want to come into Islam and closer to Allah, they automatically go into a "bad book" of sorts. Pardon the word!
Is Islam not beautiful? Does a preacher have to look angry and miserable? Do you have to feel hopeless and depressed when you listen to a muslim preacher? And if you don't, there is something awfully wrong with the preacher?

Do you have a list of "acceptable preachers"? What are the criteria?

I am sure there are verses in the Quran that warn us to be cautious about making judgments on other people.

Allah knows best

realsherif98:
Sahih Bukhari - Volume 3, Book 34, Number 428:

Narrated Said bin Abu Al-Hasan:

While I was with Ibn 'Abbas a man came and said, "O father of 'Abbas! My sustenance is from my manual profession and I make these pictures." Ibn 'Abbas said, "I will tell you only what I heard from Allah's Apostle . I heard him saying, 'Whoever makes a picture will be punished by Allah till he puts life in it, and he will never be able to put life in it.' "

Hearing this, that man heaved a sigh and his face turned pale. Ibn 'Abbas said to him, "What a pity! If you insist on making pictures I advise you to make pictures of trees and any other unanimated objects."

The hadith is talking about *drawing*

usermane:


This is unfair, kennyosein 's post might have been a bit impolite but there is nothing insultive in it. You and your friends are embittered simply because you admire these scholars and put them on a pedestal. There are persons calling other posters "hypocrite and dajjal" in this section and you don't mind. In one of my last threads, someone posted a silly gif mocking me and he wasn't even corrected by any of you. Those scholars kenny condemned couldn't care less about a Nairaland poster yet you are offended.

the moderator is being sentimental. even the term "ignoramus people" isn't against nairaland rules.

Ishilove:

realsherif98:
Sahih Bukhari - Volume 3, Book 34, Number 428:

Narrated Said bin Abu Al-Hasan:

While I was with Ibn 'Abbas a man came and said, "O father of 'Abbas! My sustenance is from my manual profession and I make these pictures." Ibn 'Abbas said, "I will tell you only what I heard from Allah's Apostle . I heard him saying, 'Whoever makes a picture will be punished by Allah till he puts life in it, and he will never be able to put life in it.' "

Hearing this, that man heaved a sigh and his face turned pale. Ibn 'Abbas said to him, "What a pity! If you insist on making pictures I advise you to make pictures of trees and any other unanimated objects."

Op, its not picture snapped with camera, rater its the carved wood (sculpture) by a sculptor. Though its forbidden to hang pictures on walls of our houses as a muslim, but its not haram to snap pictures. You can further ask sheikhs. Allah Knows Best.