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Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by Freksy(m): 10:56pm On Jul 22, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


All created beings such as Adam and Angels can also be referred to as 'sons' of God but not the only begotten Son of God which is reserved for the Lord Jesus Christ.

These beings can as well be referred to as "gods", true or false?


Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son because He eternally proceeds from the Father. He is the Father's 'selfie' cheesy

Was Isaac the only begotten son of Abraham because he eternally proceeded from his father?

Being the only begotten son of someone has nothing to do with eternity.


What God begets has the nature of God and what man begets has the nature of man. Jesus had both the natures of God and man. Simples wink

I will appreciate your response to the following:

1. What is the nature of God, and what is the nature of man?

2. Is Jesus the almighty God?
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by BERNIMOORE: 11:03pm On Jul 22, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


The onus probandi is on you to prove that jesus is not who he claimed to be.
ok what does Jesus claim to be!…....… Straight answer and yes sir, the issue here was who begets who? I'm I correct? You can ignore that cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy grin
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by Freksy(m): 11:15pm On Jul 22, 2015
Ferisidowu:
lol just like ant that thinks it can perform experiments made by man tell me is it brain capable lol that what i refer those people that think they can understand GOD'S way.......... basically JESUS is the glory of GOD who has not been seen by anyone not even MOSES..... moses saw the glory of GOD who is JESUS you may also wonder who had been visiting adam and eve it was JESUS who those that dont see him as GOD will bow to with tears in their eyes and pleas their mouth JESUS is the word of GOD he abandoned his real nature just to save us by dying for our sins ............... anyone that enters the house without passing through the door is a thief just as some claim to serve God and not jesus they will explain how they got access to him (GOD) in the house without passing through the main door (JESUS)

From your post, would it be wrong to say Jesus is the mediator between God and man?
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by Nobody: 4:23pm On Jul 23, 2015
Freksy:


From your post, would it be wrong to say Jesus is the mediator between God and man?
yes he is the perfect lamb that whose blood was used for the remission of our sins
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by Freksy(m): 5:58pm On Jul 23, 2015
Ferisidowu:
yes he is the perfect lamb that whose blood was used for the remission of our sins

A mediator is a negotiator who acts as a link between parties. A person that tries to get agreement between people who disagree with each other. If Jesus is this mediator ('the middleman') that reconciles man to the almighty God, is it reasonable to say he is the almighty God himself?

He occupies a middle position, stands between man and the almighty God, his father. That is why before you can do anything with the father, you MUST pass through him, the mediator. This position and role of his belies all teachings and claims of Jesus' almightiness. You can't pass through the almighty God to see/meet another being.

Again, almighty God cannot and will never die for whatever reason. He is 'the king of eternity'. No one can be described as such if he has ever experienced death.

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Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by dolphinheart(m): 8:27pm On Jul 23, 2015
Freksy:


A mediator is a negotiator who acts as a link between parties. A person that tries to get agreement between people who disagree with each other. If Jesus is this mediator ('the middleman') that reconciles man to the almighty God, is it reasonable to say he is the almighty God himself?

He occupies a middle position, stands between man and the almighty God, his father. That is why before you can do anything with the father, you MUST pass through him, the mediator. This position and role of his belies all teachings and claims of Jesus' almightiness. You can't pass through the almighty God to see/meet another being.

Again, almighty God cannot and will never die for whatever reason. He is 'the king of eternity'. No one can be described as such if he has ever experienced death.

Thank you, but mind you olaadegbu might not agree with you. He will probably dissapear or that using the word "simple" when replying.
U can see the way he tried to reply my questions, he did not add any explanation cus he knows that his own explanation will make his false beliefs manifest.
I once ask him about soul and spirit and he could not diiferenciate them no explain what happens to them after death.

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Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by Nobody: 8:08am On Jul 24, 2015
Jesus christ is God in human form. If God was coming to man he has to come in a human form, so that he can interact with them. He has to come in a holy form, through the holy spirit.
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by haffaze777(m): 9:06am On Jul 24, 2015
Ebig22:
Jesus christ is God in human form. If God was coming to man he has to come in a human form, so that he can interact with them. He has to come in a holy form, through the holy spirit.
I thought he is Almighty God? y is it hard for him to come without human form? is he not omnipotent and omnipresent again
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by MizJanet(f): 10:20am On Jul 24, 2015
Ebig22:
Jesus christ is God in human form. If God was coming to man he has to come in a human form, so that he can interact with them. He has to come in a holy form, through the holy spirit.

This is pure nonsense , get urself off this religious shit , since ur god has come down in human form , who is ur god still praying to ? Or do u have two gods ?
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by Humblebloke(m): 11:03am On Jul 24, 2015
This OP again........The man insists you must share his belief cos' he thinks its the only way to paradise


If you believe otherwise,you are supposedly doomed.


All these religious extremist and their concept of God
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by Humblebloke(m): 11:06am On Jul 24, 2015
MizJanet:


This is pure nonsense , get urself off this religious shit , since ur god has come down in human form , who is ur god still praying to ? Or do u have two gods ?


They keep contradicting themselves


They even said he sacrificed himself to 'himself'undecided
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by mustymatic(m): 11:56am On Jul 24, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


Just as a kid of goat is still a goat equally the Son of God is also God. cool
their offspring are "kids" not goats...hence Jesus isn't God
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by mustymatic(m): 12:05pm On Jul 24, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


Just as a kid of goat is still a goat equally the Son of God is also God. cool
their offspring are "kids" not goats...hence Jesus isn't God smiley
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by mustymatic(m): 12:07pm On Jul 24, 2015
[b] Indeed, there is not a single verse in the entire Bible where Jesus claimed divinity to himself. He was only a mediator between God and Man. 1st Timothy 2:5 reads "For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
If Jesus had no father and this makes him the son of God, then, Adam must be the greatest and most qualified to be the son of God. This is because Adam had no mother and father. Then, how do we qualify Biblical Melchiz'edek who according to Hebrew,7:1-3, has no father, no mother, no genealogy, no beginning of days and no end of life.  

In Islam, Holy Spirit refers to Angel Gabriel (Qur'an19:16-22 & 3:45). The word spirit (Rooh' in arabic) also refers to a soul (Qur'an 38:71-72).

Thus, when God decided to create Jesus in the womb of Mary, He sent Angel Gabriel to breath the spirit (soul) of Jesus into her. (Qur'an 3:45 & 66:12). Bear in mind that, Adam also became a living being when the spirit (soul) from God was breathed into him as mentioned in Qur'an 38:71-72. The same applies to all the descendant of Adam.

God creates Adam without a father and a mother, creates Jesus with a mother, but, no father, creates the rest of mankind with fathers and mothers. In all these modes of creation, specific spirits (souls) are breathed for human to become life or living. This is to make manifest to mankind, the creative power of God. He creates what He wants and how He likes.

Instead of them (Christians and the likes) glorifying God for His creative power, they rather resort to worshipping and glorifying what was created. This is indeed the greatest injustice !!

Yes, Jesus came into an existence as a result of a command from God with the word "Be!" - and he was". This same command brings everything into existence. If he wishes to create anything, He will just command "Be" and it will be. 

Allah says in Qur'an 3:59: "Verily the likeness of Jesus in the sight of Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust then, said to him: "Be!"- and he was".

How can one who was created become the creator! Allah also says in Qur'an 36:82: "Verily, His (Allah's) command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, "Be!"- and it is". The word is therefore the creative command from Allah which brought everything into existence including Jesus.
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Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by reallest(f): 3:03pm On Jul 24, 2015
Ogun n gbo,dis olagbedu na confirm confused man
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by Nobody: 5:24pm On Jul 24, 2015
Freksy:


A mediator is a negotiator who acts as a link between parties. A person that tries to get agreement between people who disagree with each other. If Jesus is this mediator ('the middleman') that reconciles man to the almighty God, is it reasonable to say he is the almighty God himself?

He occupies a middle position, stands between man and the almighty God, his father. That is why before you can do anything with the father, you MUST pass through him, the mediator. This position and role of his belies all teachings and claims of Jesus' almightiness. You can't pass through the almighty God to see/meet another being.

Again, almighty God cannot and will never die for whatever reason. He is 'the king of eternity'. No one can be described as such if he has ever experienced death
really you think jesus isnt the almighty GOD it means you also need to read revelations 1:8 who is speaking what did he call himself? answer man of knowledge
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by Nobody: 5:27pm On Jul 24, 2015
dolphinheart:


Thank you, but mind you olaadegbu might not agree with you. He will probably dissapear or that using the word "simple" when replying.
U can see the way he tried to reply my questions, he did not add any explanation cus he knows that his own explanation will make his false beliefs manifest.
I once ask him about soul and spirit and he could not diiferenciate them no explain what happens to them after death.
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by Nobody: 5:29pm On Jul 24, 2015
i just keep laughing at those that says he never claimed divinity lol....you can charge him (JESUS) for blasphemy since you havent read rev1:8 pls dont tell me he isn't the one speaking there
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by dolphinheart(m): 6:41pm On Jul 24, 2015
@ ferisidowu

You have come with a last gasp attempt to make ur false beliefs look true.
Read rev 1.1 :

(1 The revelation from Jesus
Christ, which God gave him to
show his servants what must
soon take place. He made it
known by sending his angel to
his servant John)

Did you read it?
Who gave jesus the revelation?
Did that verse say he(jesus) give himself the revelation?

He was giving the revelation by someone else, someone who is superior to him , someone who had servants who incidentally are jesus brothers, someone called God.


Rev 1:8:
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the
Omega," says the Lord God,
"who is, and who was, and
who is to come, the Almighty."

New Living Translation
"I am the Alpha and the
Omega--the beginning and the
end," says the Lord God. "I am
the one who is, who always
was, and who is still to come--
the Almighty One."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the
Omega,” says the Lord God,
“who is and who was and who
is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard
Bible
"I am the Alpha and the
Omega," says the Lord God,
"who is and who was and who
is to come, the Almighty."

King James Bible
I am Alpha and Omega, the
beginning and the ending,
saith the Lord, which is, and
which was, and which is to
come, the Almighty.

Holman Christian Standard
Bible
I am the Alpha and the
Omega," says the Lord God,
"the One who is, who was, and
who is coming, the Almighty."

International Standard
Version
"I am the Alpha and the
Omega," declares the Lord
God, "the one who is, who
was, and who is coming, the
Almighty."


Aramaic Bible in Plain
English
I am The Alap and The Tau,
says THE LORD JEHOVAH
God, he who is and has been
and is coming, The Almighty.


Did you read "jesus" there?
Where did you read the "lord God " refers to jesus?

Do you not read a translation use the word "jehovah " there?
Is jesus the father?
Who is the lamb in heaven?

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Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by Nobody: 6:49pm On Jul 24, 2015
dolphinheart:
@ ferisidowu

You have come with a last gasp attempt to make ur false beliefs look true.
Read rev 1.1 :

(1 The revelation from Jesus
Christ, which God gave him to
show his servants what must
soon take place. He made it
known by sending his angel to
his servant John)

Did you read it?
Who gave jesus the revelation?
Did that verse say he(jesus) give himself the revelation?

He was giving the revelation by someone else, someone who is superior to him , someone who had servants who incidentally are jesus brothers, someone called God.


Rev 1:8:
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the
Omega," says the Lord God,
"who is, and who was, and
who is to come, the Almighty."

New Living Translation
"I am the Alpha and the
Omega--the beginning and the
end," says the Lord God. "I am
the one who is, who always
was, and who is still to come--
the Almighty One."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the
Omega,” says the Lord God,
“who is and who was and who
is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard
Bible
"I am the Alpha and the
Omega," says the Lord God,
"who is and who was and who
is to come, the Almighty."

King James Bible
I am Alpha and Omega, the
beginning and the ending,
saith the Lord, which is, and
which was, and which is to
come, the Almighty.

Holman Christian Standard
Bible
I am the Alpha and the
Omega," says the Lord God,
"the One who is, who was, and
who is coming, the Almighty."

International Standard
Version
"I am the Alpha and the
Omega," declares the Lord
God, "the one who is, who
was, and who is coming, the
Almighty."


Aramaic Bible in Plain
English
I am The Alap and The Tau,
says THE LORD JEHOVAH
God, he who is and has been
and is coming, The Almighty.


Did you read "jesus" there?
Where did you read the "lord God " refers to jesus?

Do you not read a translation use the word "jehovah " there?
Is jesus the father?
Who is the lamb in heaven?
lol thats your own business i dont argue on religious based topics but pls can you tell me why those words are written in red letters...... i thought it was jesus words that are always in red.... anyways i pray you understand before its too late..........
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by dolphinheart(m): 9:12pm On Jul 24, 2015
Ferisidowu:
lol thats your own business i dont argue on religious based topics but pls can you tell me why those words are written in red letters...... i thought it was jesus words that are always in red.... anyways i pray you understand before its too late..........

If I say "I understand you" na lie I dey lie.

Who is arguing with you? And which words are in red?
U thought? Are you still thinking about what you posted?
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by Freksy(m): 12:50am On Jul 25, 2015
Ferisidowu:
really you think jesus isnt the almighty GOD it means you also need to read revelations 1:8 who is speaking what did he call himself? answer man of knowledge

Hello Ferisidowu, it is not a mere thinking, but a fact that Jesus is not the almighty God. If he is, the scripture would contain numerous

expressions of his almightiness. On the contrary, no single scripture expressly or impliedly describes him as such? Again, it is not possible to

have two almighty Gods. His father is the only almighty God. Jesus' roles always show he is subordinate to his father, and can't be otherwise.

Post by dolphinheart has addressed your questions on revelations 1:8.
Re: Does The Term "Son Of God" Mean That Jesus Is Not God? by mustymatic(m): 8:15am On Jul 25, 2015
Ferisidowu:
i just keep laughing at those that says he never claimed divinity lol....you can charge him (JESUS) for blasphemy since you havent read rev1:8 pls dont tell me he isn't the one speaking there
HE IS REALLY NOT!

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