You are almost saying that the concept of Aro (year) does not exist in your part of Igboland.
You also seem quite reluctant to believe that Nris introduced the 4 market days, but very willing to quote and believe the Awka claim, thus giving me the impression you are just biased against Nri.

Well, whenever you come to the realisation that ARO/AFO exists, just you know that the IGU ARO is carried out by the Nris.
I am almost certain that the Eze Aro will be aware of this, after all these Igwes relate with one another.
Of course with the coming of the white man and our adoptiin of their calendar, I can almost see why you might think IGU ARO sounds outlandish.
I can assure you that your great grand father would have been aware of it, as he would have lived way before the influence of Europeans took hold.

Ihuomadinihu:

This Iguaro stuff is alien to other people. I think i have said my bit on this topic. Researches and documentation of different origins are currrently on the way. Markets have been established without Nri people. This fallacy of Nri this and Nri did that will be the bane of igbo culture if care is not taken. Mythology of Nri doesn't replace the Mythology of others.

Anyway, let's get back to the main point, there's no (direct) link between the Igbo people and Jews and Judaism.

OfoIgbo:
You are almost saying that the concept of Aro (year) does not exist in your part of Igboland.
You also seem quite reluctant to believe that Nris introduced the 4 market days, but very willing to quote and believe the Awka claim, thus giving me the impression you are just biased against Nri.

Well, whenever you come to the realisation that ARO/AFO exists, just you know that the IGU ARO is carried out by the Nris.
I am almost certain that the Eze Aro will be aware of this, after all these Igwes relate with one another.
Of course with the coming of the white man and our adoptiin of their calendar, I can almost see why you might think IGU ARO sounds outlandish.
I can assure you that your great grand father would have been aware of it, as he would have lived way before the influence of Europeans took hold.

Igu aro doesn't exist in other places away from the span or influence of Nri culture. Other people have other systems and festivals for marking time and days. One thing you have refused to acknowledge is that other people exisited independent of Nri influence. You want to make Nri the beginning and end of Igbo civilization,which is totally false.
The four gods you keep talking about have been discovered to be goddesses which is common to all igbos but Nri have the privillegde of being their custodians. Like i said, there is an ongoing research on this and there is no definite consensus for now.

I highly doubt the Igbo calendar started in Nri, or at least, the merely 1000 year old state called Nri. But back to the point: there's no (direct) link between the Igbo people and Jews and Judaism.

ezeagu:
Anyway, let's get back to the main point, there's no (direct) link between the Igbo people and Jews and Judaism.

For now,the links are similarities in culture and way of life. I wouldn't push away the idea that they probably came from the same stock. Genetically, Igbos and other Niger Congos and Nilotes have older genes. In terms or archeology,there are sites that reveal the existence of people many years ago. It's not out of place to say that people have migrated in and out of West Africa in ancient times. There is need for proper investigation,what i don't like is this reference to Gad etc cos of Judeo-Christian awareness and influence. Could it be that Jews migrated out of Igbo land? Or the first Igbos forgot their source of origin? That is for the researchers to investigate.

ezeagu:
Anyway, let's get back to the main point, there's no (direct) link between the Igbo people and Jews and Judaism.

To me there are similarities, but that does not mean that it is empirically proven.

As I wrote earlier on, further research is needed to
1.show there is a relationship
2. Show whether they came from us or we came from them.

Remember I asked you to furnish us with a link for the results of such a research

Leopardd:
Ngwa,
market days
Nze, ozo

At least these two.

Help me understand your post. Are you saying that the Nri founded Ngwa or are you just talking about the market days and nze/ozo?

Nde Nri biala odo.

Ihuomadinihu:

Igu aro doesn't exist in other places away from the span or influence of Nri culture. Other people have other systems and festivals for marking time and days. One thing you have refused to acknowledge is that other people exisited independent of Nri influence. You want to make Nri the beginning and end of Igbo civilization,which is totally false.
The four gods you keep talking about have been discovered to be goddesses which is common to all igbos but Nri have the privillegde of being their custodians. Like i said, there is an ongoing research on this and there is no definite consensus for now.

First of all, I don't recall referring to them as gods. Usually I will use words like shrines or deities to describe them.
Secondly I will verify from my fellow Nri people, perhaps the priests whether they are goddesses or not.

Now usually one doesn't surrender things as important as deities to a stranger, so this talk about other Igbos relinquishing these deities to supposed strangers is pure hallucination. Which clan did they belong to before the people gave them to umu-Nri.
Remember this was an internet-less world so how did the Igbos are to let Nri be in charge of such important cornerstones of the Igbo culture, bearing in mind that Igbos are fiercely republican.

The deities are owned by Nri people. The Nri just had cultural practises that appealed to the majority of the Igbos, and owing to ancient migrations, the cultural practises were spread around much of Igholand and even beyond.

Of course nature abhors vacuum so there would have been other cultural practises in Igboland before the Nris came and injected their own brand and dominated the cultural space

OfoIgbo:


First of all, I don't recall referring to them as gods. Usually I will use words like shrines or deities to describe them.
Secondly I will verify from my fellow Nri people, perhaps the priests whether they are goddesses or not.

Now usually one doesn't surrender things as important as deities to a stranger, so this talk about other Igbos relinquishing these deities to supposed strangers is pure hallucination. Which clan did they belong to before the people gave them to umu-Nri.
Remember this was an internet-less world so how did the Igbos are to let Nri be in charge of such important cornerstones of the Igbo culture, bearing in mind that Igbos are fiercely republican.

The deities are owned by Nri people. The Nri just had cultural practises that appealed to the majority of the Igbos, and owing to ancient migrations, the cultural practises were spread around much of Igholand and even beyond.

Of course nature abhors vacuum so there would have been other cultural practises in Igboland before the Nris came and injected their own brand and dominated the cultural space

You are only dragging this topic and overexaggerating Nri importance. Dominated who? I guess you mean dominated northern Igbo. Maybe,i should spell it out to you that Nri has a limited span in igboland. I can't take you serious after you erroneously claimed that Nri gave Chukwu to other igbos. Everything you have written belongs to your mythology which is not related or more geniune than other mythology. There are people with several versions of market origins in Igboland that all not marketed and advertised like the Nri version. Are you aware that there are festivals all over Igboland that have diverse stories of origin?
This nri stuff comes off as an effort to claim prominence and inject the jewish stuff into Igbo mythology.

cheruv:

As an ukwangwa,I recognize the influence Nri had over Igbo civilization.

I ka giri? Kena o bu abari ta o bu la i maa whe i di ika?

ezeagu:
I highly doubt the Igbo calendar started in Nri, or at least, the merely 1000 year old state called Nri. But back to the point: there's no (direct) link between the Igbo people and Jews and Judaism.

Do you kmow that a thousandnyears ago that Igbos were not up to a million, assuming we are about 40 million now

Do you also know that the IgboUkwu findings which is linked to Umu-Nri was dated to have been there since 900AD.

Have you also considered the possibility that the Nri hegemony could have started hundreds of years before this IgboNkwo findings, afterall this findings were in an Nri outpost of Ora-Eri.

it is a pity that the Nris did not keep a written and gazetted records and occurrences and times

The problem i have with ancient ''Eastern Nigerians'' is the lack of proper documentation on scrolls or something similar otherwise we wouldn't be dealing with whose myth is more supreme/original than the other.
Nsibidi system of writing just couldn't survive beyond the cults.

Ihuomadinihu:

You are only dragging this topic and overexaggerating Nri importance. Dominated who? I guess you mean dominated northern Igbo. Maybe,i should spell it out to you that Nri has a limited span in igboland. I can't take you serious after you erroneously claimed that Nri gave Chukwu to other igbos. Everything you have written belongs to your mythology which is not related or more geniune than other mythology. There are people with several versions of market origins in Igboland that all not marketed and advertised like the Nri version. Are you aware that there are festivals all over Igboland that have diverse stories of origin?
This nri stuff comes off as an effort to claim prominence and inject the jewish stuff into Igbo mythology.

You can think whatever you wanna think but the worship of one God, the sky being, has always been an Nri practise. Some call him Chukwu, some call him Chineke, Olisa ebuluwa, Obasi bi n'enu igwe e.t.c.
Of course in place of Jesus, we had ancestors (ndi ichie) to intercede on our behalf e.t.c

OfoIgbo:


You can think whatever you wanna think but the worship of one God, the sky being, has always been an Nri practise. Some call him Chukwu, some call him Chineke, Olisa ebuluwa, Obasi bi n'enu igwe e.t.c.
Of course in place of Jesus, we had ancestors (ndi ichie) to intercede on our behalf e.t.c

Lol! Somebody caution this guy! He is distorting Igbo history.
Nri had what? Nri produced all Igbo gods? OMG!
Igbo groups have all referenced a specific supreme God with or without Nri. Nawa!

OfoIgbo:


To me there are similarities, but that does not mean that it is empirically proven.

As I wrote earlier on, further research is needed to
1.show there is a relationship
2. Show whether they came from us or we came from them.

Remember I asked you to furnish us with a link for the results of such a research

As others have said, I think this is a massive distraction and all this energy can be expended on the thousands of years of history in Igboland and the missing patches of time between them. Looking for a link with Israel, I think, is presumptuous and would only bring out misleading results. As I said before, the Israeli people are not bothered about any Igbo link, so why should the Igbo people be bending over backward for such a far fetched theory that is losing ground every day?

Ihuomadinihu:

For now,the links are similarities in culture and way of life. I wouldn't push away the idea that they probably came from the same stock. Genetically, Igbos and other Niger Congos and Nilotes have older genes. In terms or archeology,there are sites that reveal the existence of people many years ago. It's not out of place to say that people have migrated in and out of West Africa in ancient times. There is need for proper investigation,what i don't like is this reference to Gad etc cos of Judeo-Christian awareness and influence. Could it be that Jews migrated out of Igbo land? Or the first Igbos forgot their source of origin? That is for the researchers to investigate.

Sure, groups came in and out of Africa, but my objection is why a study should be placed specially on Igbo-Israel links when there are some many more solid links between the Igbo and other people in Africa. There are similarities between Igbo culture and Ancient Greece, the Pygmy peoples, their immediate neighbours, and a number of other people. I this would be a good side project, but I think the energy should focus on what happened in Igbo land without presuming and Israel links. It just seems to me that Israel is being put on a pedestal and people are trying to connect to Israel instead of honestly trying to find out the roots or migrations of people in what is now Igboland.

OfoIgbo:


Do you kmow that a thousandnyears ago that Igbos were not up to a million, assuming we are about 40 million now

Do you also know that the IgboUkwu findings which is linked to Umu-Nri was dated to have been there since 900AD.

Have you also considered the possibility that the Nri hegemony could have started hundreds of years before this IgboNkwo findings, afterall this findings were in an Nri outpost of Ora-Eri.

it is a pity that the Nris did not keep a written and gazetted records and occurrences and times

But even with an overstretched record of kings, the person called Nri and who founded Nri lived around the 10th century at the earliest, so Nri hegemony can't exist before it actually started. This information is from the kings list from the Eze Nri at Agukwu's website. I can't believe that a lunar calendar system came from Nri, or at least was solely developed by Nri people.

Ihuomadinihu:
The problem i have with ancient ''Eastern Nigerians'' is the lack of proper documentation on scrolls or something similar otherwise we wouldn't be dealing with whose myth is more supreme/original than the other.
Nsibidi system of writing just couldn't survive beyond the cults.

I think writing being superior to oral history is a myth. Most of the ancient scrolls aren't honest and many only account for royalty and aristocrats and so much of them have been lost, which is harder to do with oral history. Without oral history individual families probably wouldn't have knowledge of individual history.

ezeagu:


I think writing being superior to oral history is a myth. Most of the ancient scrolls aren't honest and many only account for royalty and aristocrats and so much of them have been lost, which is harder to do with oral history. Without oral history individual families probably wouldn't have knowledge of individual history.

The issue is that the oral tales that were first encountered by European expeditionist have been used to replace the history of the entire breath of Igboland. If Owerri people,for instance pushed their mythology do you think any one will be talking about Nri versions?

Ihuomadinihu:

The issue is that the oral tales that were first encountered by European expenditionist have been used to replace the history of the entire breath of Igboland. If Owerri people,for instance pushed their mythology do you think any one will be talking about Nri versions?

It's only on the internet and maybe in some unpublished works that people over exaggerate and place power on certain things. People in the villages have kept their own oral history mostly well which is why I'm baffled at all this talk of Nri basically establishing everywhere.

ChinenyeN:


I ka giri? Kena o bu abari ta o bu la i maa whe i di ika?

Biko gbaharam na azahaghachihum gi n'olu Ngwa..manam gaagutali ihnye I dere ebe ahu

Amam ihnyem nēkwu..Nri hewere ntoala niile di mkpa no n'omenala Igbo,o kacha nke ubochi ano n'izu Igbo na Iguafo .

Dee,a bum nwafo a muru n'owere..ya mere olu ngwa edochaghim anya.o na dim mfe I su Igbo izugbe karia I su olundi..

ezeagu:


It's only on the internet and maybe in some unpublished works that people over exaggerate and place power on certain things. People in the villages have kept their own oral history mostly well which is why I'm baffled at all this talk of Nri basically establishing everywhere.

I tire. As for the jewish stuff,the people in Israel don't really relate with black people according to information online. So that's kind of sad. Like i've said before,there was probably a great Igbo/Niger congo civilization that gave rise to multiple civilizations outside Igboland.(my opinion) For now,we can only keep an open mind and let researchers do the rest.

Cheruv nwannaa, daalu makana eziokwu juputara gi n'onu.

Onwerozi onye choro ka agwa ya eziokwu. Mana obi dim uto na I bu onye eziokwu ghotara ntonala na omenala

cheruv:

Biko gbaharam na azahaghachihum gi n'olu Ngwa..manam gaagutali ihnye I dere ebe ahu

Amam ihnyem nēkwu..Nri hewere ntoala niile di mkpa no n'omenala Igbo,o kacha nke ubochi ano n'izu Igbo na Iguafo .

Dee,a bum nwafo a muru n'owere..ya mere olu ngwa edochaghim anya.o na dim mfe I su Igbo izugbe karia I su olundi..

Cheruv, ma i gbara (dere) okwu Ngwa ma i gbara okwu odo adii mkpa o bu. Kuma, whe mbu mkpa mbu whe i kara mgbasaranu Nri. I ka la i hie 'UkwaNgwa', ma whe we liile la i kala ndi izi m la i mamachaa whe i di ika. I cho ma akoruora ghi ke mbu l'ezi.

O dinuu whe Ngwa nji Nri ma nnaa.

Ihuomadinihu:

The issue is that the oral tales that were first encountered by European expeditionist have been used to replace the history of the entire breath of Igboland. If Owerri people,for instance pushed their mythology do you think any one will be talking about Nri versions?

Forget about myths... what could Owerri people have told ndiocha? Do you think they were silly as not to cross check their findings with the realities on the ground?

OfoIgbo:


Forget about myths... what could Owerri people have told ndiocha? Do you think they were silly as not to cross check their findings with the realities on the ground?

Lol. I should forget mythology? While it's the same mythology that you have used to claim prominence over other igbos.
I guess all Igbo mythologies apart from Nri are not important to igbo history.

lunaticfringe:
Chukwuokike.... Onye oma, otito na nsopuru diri aha nso gi ebighi ebi... Ebube gi enweghi atu. Nna Di nsoo, biko bia zopata anyi na aka ndi iro anyi...

Imagine the correct oyi, chills all over d body the moment one praises God in native igbo language hailing Eze okike, chuwku abiama!
Honestly, going back to one's root is the only way to go.

ChinenyeN:
Cheruv, ma i gbara (dere) okwu Ngwa ma i gbara okwu odo adii mkpa o bu. Kuma, whe mbu mkpa mbu whe i kara mgbasaranu Nri. I ka la i hie 'UkwaNgwa', ma whe we liile la i kala ndi izi m la i mamachaa whe i di ika. I cho ma akoruora ghi ke mbu l'ezi.

O dinuu whe Ngwa nji Nri ma nnaa.

Ngwa gwanum nke vu nke..
Akuko ichie anyi edochaghim anya mana ihnye dere vu ihnye akuzirem.
E kwenyerem na njiko na idinotu ndi ukwa na ndi ngwa,ya merem ji asi nam vu ukwangwa kama I si nam vu ngwa.

Nri na akuko mike Ejeagha.Without internet I won't know Nri exist.Fact!

Chere.. O bu sita la i di iza 'UkwaNgwa' nmere ma ad'eche ma i hie Ngwa. Ma gbuo akotala m la i buu onye Ngwa. Mgbaa gemacha whe na m di ika... Ngwa amaa Nri. O dinuu whe Ngwa nji we. O bu la nde ke unu nkuziri unu whe mgbasara Nri, mara la kaa mbu akuko ke unu. Hafu whe 'Igbo liile', sita la kaa mbu ugha bukwa ughalama (ma o buru nde Ngwa).

O di whe odo m ga ika mgbasara whe na, mara la m ganu ika ya la culture section. Kena abuu okwu politics.

For sure, Jews don't practise or worship 'Amadioha'!

Why must the Ibos always want to be someone else?

Why can't they be themselves and forget this inferiority complex of wanting to be Jews.

Amadioha will be turning in his grave if he hears this.

ChinenyeN:
Chere.. O bu sita la i di iza 'UkwaNgwa' nmere ma ad'eche ma i hie Ngwa. Ma gbuo akotala m la i buu onye Ngwa. Mgbaa gemacha whe na m di ika... Ngwa amaa Nri. O dinuu whe Ngwa nji we. O bu la nde ke unu nkuziri unu whe mgbasara Nri, mara la kaa mbu akuko ke unu. Hafu whe 'Igbo liile', sita la kaa mbu ugha bukwa ughalama (ma o buru nde Ngwa).

O di whe odo m ga ika mgbasara whe na, mara la m ganu ika ya la culture section. Kena abuu okwu politics.

O bu ihnye merem ji gwabu gi na mbu nam bu nwafo..e sim ovom no ochichi ime ogbe obingwa na steeti Abia.
A bum nwafo amuru n'ala owere..mana otu a m namaghi ngwa asu,I nwere ike i chenam naako Ngwa dika Aleks Oti si Arochukwu mere.
A nulam ihnye I kwuru gbasara Ndi Ngwa na Ndi Nri...m gaetinye ya n'uche maka mbosi ozo.