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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by DrUche3(m): 9:26am On Jul 27, 2015
Well the governor made a lot of sense but one thing I know is that BH group is not without a very formidable sponsorship, probably by these highly placed Islamic scholars. Come to think of it; Why have these northern elites(not scholars), even the likes of IBB amidst others refused to use there past and present positions and influences to assist in this fight And why have the government been slack in summoning, interrogating and investigating these secretly named sponsors of insurgency All they do is condemn attacks and people keep agonizing, sorrowing and dying daily...Too many questions unanswered!

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by sanyy(m): 9:27am On Jul 27, 2015
illiad:
They're not talking because the terrorists are also Muslims
Read the post !!
Mumuu
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Bennizone: 9:27am On Jul 27, 2015
exactly my point, they have to speak out and condemn the acts of boko haram
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by ooshinibos: 9:27am On Jul 27, 2015
kingwhiz:



why can't you just do your studies for once and stop spilling lies you heard people say around....
you are very wrong..

'enough said!
if he is wrong , please can you correct him sir , I need to be educated by Kingwhiz , you cannot say someone is wrong ..and not provide us with the correct answer .. right here , right now . enough said . it is about time Muslims en mass ( not just a few ) speak against those other Muslim that have the jihadist ideology

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Bnladan(m): 9:28am On Jul 27, 2015
bonechamberlain:
Islam, don't know if it is a religion or a cult. how can there not be a problem when the foundation was built on violence. Muhammed started it fighting and forcefully converting people, uthman Dan fodio brought the. nonsense to Nigeria fighting and also forcefully converting people, and we called that religion of peace. why Christians aren't violent is because the foundation was based on peace and love for one another. Christ came, instead of staying to enjoy with his peacefully converted brothers he choose to die for us, the Europeans came into Nigeria despite all their selfish desires no body was forcefully converted. we have various bodies in Christianity but none preaches violence. in islam if there are 10, six preaches jihad ( violence). pls u guys ( Muslims) should go and some soul searching and be sure u are in the right place.
this is blasphemy! Its a call 4 violence and any reasonable person wnt say such, irrespective of his/her religion.
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by ooshinibos: 9:29am On Jul 27, 2015
bonechamberlain:
Islam, don't know if it is a religion or a cult. how can there not be a problem when the foundation was built on violence. Muhammed started it fighting and forcefully converting people, uthman Dan fodio brought the. nonsense to Nigeria fighting and also forcefully converting people, and we called that religion of peace. why Christians aren't violent is because the foundation was based on peace and love for one another. Christ came, instead of staying to enjoy with his peacefully converted brothers he choose to die for us, the Europeans came into Nigeria despite all their selfish desires no body was forcefully converted. we have various bodies in Christianity but none preaches violence. in islam if there are 10, six preaches jihad ( violence). pls u guys ( Muslims) should go and some soul searching and be sure u are in the right place.

the truth is bitter but am glad you have spoken the truth ....something is definitely wrong here ...at the end of the day there is only one Koran

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by bolayod(m): 9:29am On Jul 27, 2015
LastProphet:


From today i. Want u to know that any Muslims claiming peace is a fake Muslim and shekau and other terrorists have repeatedly exposed that fact by quoting directly from the koran which clearly asks Muslims to kill infidels (others). So if u see any Muslim claiming to be a moderate don't waste your time he is just saying that for political acceptance, he is a fake Muslim and that is why you see that bokoharam doesn't spare them too in their attacks. Any intelligent Muslim know they have no religion but fear keeps them in line just as shetimma described


Deuteronomy 17:
2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

The Christian relationship to the Old Testament is kind of confusing. It's often cited as the Old Law that Jesus came to fulfill, relieving (for example) the dietary requirements, and lets you treat passages like this one as no longer relevant. But Christians often cite Old Testament laws (for example, on homosexuality) so it can be a little hard to tell precisely what they believe.

There are also New Testament passages cited as justification to kill non-believers, e.g.

Luke 19:27:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

As well as Matthew 10:34:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Rexyl(m): 9:29am On Jul 27, 2015
“Changing the ideology of the Boko Haram will require intellectual roles by leading Islamic scholars with mass appeal.
“It is most disturbing to note that today in northern Nigeria, there is no single Islamic scholar that preaches against the Boko Haram ideology and the reason is because everyone is afraid"


what has been the role of the government if the law is not effective to stop the lawless individuals?

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Tmaritas76(m): 9:30am On Jul 27, 2015
seunwen2:
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hahahahahah you guys will not kill me in this nairaland
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Duletion(m): 9:32am On Jul 27, 2015
Nigeria should build amajiri schools for boko haram, we should now provide security details for boko haram. Is Islam the only religion in this world? Why can't we have peace and be free from this sewage called religion

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Jaydee009: 9:32am On Jul 27, 2015
Islam (an apparently beautiful religion) will only be free when it realizes and admits the inherent "poisonous" ideologies" within its faith... As overwhelmingly elaborated in its holy book, the Quran.

These impractical ideals of "kill all the infidels/kill all those that disagree with you" is unsustainable! Ask Syria, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

When I look at Egypt, Tunisia, Turkey and Morocco and see hope for Islam. Hope for a bright future for the apparently beautiful religion.

Islam needs to let go of its clandestine quest to conquer and subdue all of humanity cos that will never happen in 5000 years. It needs to focus more on developing its followers to make positive contribution to society.

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Nobody: 9:34am On Jul 27, 2015
kingwhiz:



why can't you just do your studies for once and stop spilling lies you heard people say around....
you are very wrong..

'enough said!

You are the one talking rubbish everything he said is 100% fact. Islam was founded on violence and the first islamic terrorist was mohamed himself.

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Tmaritas76(m): 9:36am On Jul 27, 2015
sonofananimal1:
THIS IS THE REASON
lo! Like seriously
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by taha24: 9:36am On Jul 27, 2015
kestolove95:
Nice...but tell buhari to call his boyz to order
guy whatch ur mouth
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Damikevin(m): 9:41am On Jul 27, 2015
kelsgal:
Really? So they are not ready to die because of the truth
they are keeping quiet at the expense of a large number of innocent pple. If they don't speak now when will they. The only thing needed for evil to prevail is silence of good men. The problem I noticed that some Muslim folks have is covering up the lie of a fellow Muslim. We all know that the religion is perfect the person practicing the religion is the imperfect person. So you attribute his flaws to being that of their religion. If someone is wrong they are wrong don't cover up for them regradless of religion, tribe or blood cos they will still hurt you one day if they continue in their way. Years back the boko haram attacks where aimed at churches, some Muslim folks were rejoicing now some mosque are affected they call it an act of God. Regardless of a person's religion tribe or ideology the a person's death/life should mean something to you. You can cry for your dead dog, or Pity you Christmas chicken or goat when being slaughtered Talk more of a reflection of you with a variation in only religion.

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Chamber10(m): 9:51am On Jul 27, 2015
I agreed with most of the points the governor raised. However, greater chunk of the blame on the boko haram surge goes to the following:
1. Northern elders/leaders
2. Northern elders/leaders
3. Northern elders/leaders
4. Some Sheikh that preach violence to their followers
5. Some media houses eg Sahara reporters etc
6. Opposition parties who see nothing good in the ruling party's moves to curb insurgence but only using the opportunity to score cheap political points
7. Nairaland Boko haram sympathizers
8. Finally, Northern elders/leaders

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by mohammedmagnus: 9:52am On Jul 27, 2015
Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W). Said there would be a time when holding on to your religion would be like holding on to Hot coal. My muslim brothers and sisters we are in that period. This extremists would continue bombing, by the time they are thru half of the d muslim population with "weak emaan" would have converted to christianity or more so run into hiding for the fear of verbal attack or worst physical harm, from those who have been criticising islam from the beginning of time. Then we the true muslims in both "appearance and imaan" would be persecuted both physically and online. BH, ISIL, shabab, are not really after christianity. They are after killing we "peaceful muslims off" they want to topple the saudi goverment cause they are peaceful. The saudi goverment like 3 weeks ago. Arrested over 400 suspected isis followers in saudi. Just like how the Kharijittes were causing problems for Ali ibn Talib (RA). That's wats happening now. Some people converted to islam just to loot and fight wars. That's exactly wat is on display. My muslim brothers and sisters let's not be bothered abt the comments of the christians. Let's be bothered about doing dawah, changing the perception of islam to the few we can. In sydney Australia it is said at least two women revert to islam every week. Meanwhile in a country like nigeria, see ladies removing their hijab so they can be "Hip". For my christian brothers if you keep depending on hearse u wouldn't know islam. Read Read. For the road to hell is very Wide and paved with ease and comfort. But the road to heaven is paved with sacrificing ones desire, remembering ones lord constantly. No one owns the rights to heaven. Keep that in mind. For on that day jesus would deny a lot of you. Peace

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by LastProphet: 9:56am On Jul 27, 2015
bolayod:



Deuteronomy 17:
2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

The Christian relationship to the Old Testament is kind of confusing. It's often cited as the Old Law that Jesus came to fulfill, relieving (for example) the dietary requirements, and lets you treat passages like this one as no longer relevant. But Christians often cite Old Testament laws (for example, on homosexuality) so it can be a little hard to tell precisely what they believe.

There are also New Testament passages cited as justification to kill non-believers, e.g.

Luke 19:27:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

As well as Matthew 10:34:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

There will be no time to waste explaining the contexts of these your quotes which will put out your fire in just seconds and I know even you are aware you are quoting completely out-of-context passages to make a blind point.

So let us move to summaries: the only question I have for you here right now is to tell me which of these passages or any passage at all in the bible that you have EVER HEARD A CHRISTIAN QUOTE BEFORE KILLING ANYBODY (even another christian) AT ANYTIME ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH. Please stick to recent and verifiable evidences since the first trick of Islam is to always quote things that are in antiquity that cannot be easily verified. So please I am waiting, I dont mind leaving my work today.

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Nobody: 10:01am On Jul 27, 2015
illiad:
They're not talking because the terrorists are also Muslims
ode ni yin sir
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by jaybee(f): 10:02am On Jul 27, 2015
illiad:
They're not talking because the terrorists are also Muslims

The truth; the whole truth; and nothing but the truth!

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by shalomm: 10:04am On Jul 27, 2015
haffaze777:

u dey mind dat slowpoke

Yeah, because the truth is bitter he is now a slowpoke.

Terrorist.

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by shalomm: 10:06am On Jul 27, 2015
Bnladan:
this is blasphemy! Its a call 4 violence and any reasonable person wnt say such, irrespective of his/her religion.

That is why the world will be a better place without Islam.....

Just look at the bolded word.

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Humblebloke(m): 10:11am On Jul 27, 2015
I don't why I don't wanna denounce islam..... There is always some logical explanation...... Except for the justification of slavery

On the other hand...... I think the worst of them all is christianity...... The religion is filled with hypocrisy.... It practically shares the same analogy with the Quran.... They both endorse slavery and violence with verses to back em' up

But when you point it out..... They give lame excuses, you want us to believe in a book and disregard the evil text in it.....when a muslim does the same, they say he is not a true muslim...... How ironicundecided!!!


All in all.... These imported religions should be scrapped...... They are not helping matters
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by shalomm: 10:11am On Jul 27, 2015
mohammedmagnus:
Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W). Said there would be a time when holding on to your religion would be like holding on to Hot coal. My muslim brothers and sisters we are in that period. This extremists would continue bombing, by the time they are thru half of the d muslim population with "weak emaan" would have converted to christianity or more so run into hiding for the fear of verbal attack or worst physical harm, from those who have been criticising islam from the beginning of time. Then we the true muslims in both "appearance and imaan" would be persecuted both physically and online. BH, ISIL, shabab, are not really after christianity. They are after killing we "peaceful muslims off" they want to topple the saudi goverment cause they are peaceful. The saudi goverment like 3 weeks ago. Arrested over 400 suspected isis followers in saudi. Just like how the Kharijittes were causing problems for Ali ibn Talib (RA). That's wats happening now. Some people converted to islam just to loot and fight wars. That's exactly wat is on display. My muslim brothers and sisters let's not be bothered abt the comments of the christians. Let's be bothered about doing dawah, changing the perception of islam to the few we can. In sydney Australia it is said at least two women revert to islam every week. Meanwhile in a country like nigeria, see ladies removing their hijab so they can be "Hip". For my christian brothers if you keep depending on hearse u wouldn't know islam. Read Read. For the road to hell is very Wide and paved with ease and comfort. But the road to heaven is paved with sacrificing ones desire, remembering ones lord constantly. No one owns the rights to heaven. Keep that in mind. For on that day jesus would deny a lot of you. Peace

Pls illuminate me about how Islam was spread in Nigeria. Mr Peaceful Muslims... How many churches was bombed at the waking of BH?... The fact still remain, If Muhammed preached Islam and spread it using Peace, there won't have been any case of Jihad we are seeing today. so, the founder layed a wrong foundation.

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by shalomm: 10:14am On Jul 27, 2015
Humblebloke:
I don't why I don't wanna denounce islam..... There is always some logical explanation...... Except for the justification of slavery

On the other hand...... I think the worst of them all is christianity...... The religion is filled with hypocrisy.... It practically shares the same analogy with the Quran.... They both endorse slavery and violence with verses to back em' up

But when you point it out..... They give lame excuses, you want us to believe in a book and disregard the evil text in it.....when a muslim does the same, they say he is not a true muslim...... How ironicundecided!!!


All in all.... These imported religions should be scrapped...... They are not helping matters

Pls Sir, don't mistake the commandment given to the Israelite on their way from Egypt with Christianity.

read the new testament and point out where violence was mentioned.


Have you heard of a religion called Judaism?

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by insecticide: 10:19am On Jul 27, 2015
mohammedmagnus:
Prophet Muhammed (S.A.W). Said there would be a time when holding on to your religion would be like holding on to Hot coal. My muslim brothers and sisters we are in that period. This extremists would continue bombing, by the time they are thru half of the d muslim population with "weak emaan" would have converted to christianity or more so run into hiding for the fear of verbal attack or worst physical harm, from those who have been criticising islam from the beginning of time. Then we the true muslims in both "appearance and imaan" would be persecuted both physically and online. BH, ISIL, shabab, are not really after christianity. They are after killing we "peaceful muslims off" they want to topple the saudi goverment cause they are peaceful. The saudi goverment like 3 weeks ago. Arrested over 400 suspected isis followers in saudi. Just like how the Kharijittes were causing problems for Ali ibn Talib (RA). That's wats happening now. Some people converted to islam just to loot and fight wars. That's exactly wat is on display. My muslim brothers and sisters let's not be bothered abt the comments of the christians. Let's be bothered about doing dawah, changing the perception of islam to the few we can. In sydney Australia it is said at least two women revert to islam every week. Meanwhile in a country like nigeria, see ladies removing their hijab so they can be "Hip". For my christian brothers if you keep depending on hearse u wouldn't know islam. Read Read. For the road to hell is very Wide and paved with ease and comfort. But the road to heaven is paved with sacrificing ones desire, remembering ones lord constantly. No one owns the rights to heaven. Keep that in mind. For on that day jesus would deny a lot of you. Peace
May Almighty Allah bless you...

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by onimcee1(m): 10:23am On Jul 27, 2015
If it was this speech alone that made him the NUJ governor of the year, 2014, then it's worth it.
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by buJu234: 10:25am On Jul 27, 2015
kingwhiz:



why can't you just do your studies for once and stop spilling lies you heard people say around....
you are very wrong..

'enough said!

if u said that the guy is wrong please can you give us the version that is right.

because we need to know if the Movie and the history abt the biography of Mohammad & Islam are contrary to wat that guy said...

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Humblebloke(m): 10:26am On Jul 27, 2015
LastProphet:


There will be no time to waste explaining the contexts of these your quotes which will put out your fire in just seconds and I know even you are aware you are quoting completely out-of-context passages to make a blind point.

So let us move to summaries: the only question I have for you here right now is to tell me which of these passages or any passage at all in the bible that you have EVER HEARD A CHRISTIAN QUOTE BEFORE KILLING ANYBODY (even another christian) AT ANYTIME ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH. Please stick to recent and verifiable evidences since the first trick of Islam is to always quote things that are in antiquity that cannot be easily verified. So please I am waiting, I dont mind leaving my work today.


But its written in the book(word of God).... The 18th and 19th century christians made use of these references when they were trying to gain territory and people were left with no choice than to join the lots...... It was a violent time

Don't you think something is wrong with the bookundecided



P S...... I'm still waitin for you to adress one of my questions
Go through your mentions

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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by femi4: 10:28am On Jul 27, 2015
kestolove95:
Nice...but tell buhari to call his boyz to order
Go back and take your drugs
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by closetoyou(f): 10:30am On Jul 27, 2015
kelsgal:
Really? So they are not ready to die because of the truth
then who remains when they all die?

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