UyiIredia:
First off, being agnostic isn't a position. You can be agnostic and still be a theist, a deist or an atheist. That said, being a Christian doesn't mean you must believe every Tom, Dick and Harry with a Bible that claims to work miracles.

UyiIredia:
First off, being agnostic isn't a position. You can be agnostic and still be a theist, a deist or an atheist. That said, being a Christian doesn't mean you must believe every Tom, Dick and Harry with a Bible that claims to work miracles.

elantraceey:



Hmmmmm

Scholar8200:
First you need to surrender your life to Christ. Next, whatever church you attend, be a student of the Bible and reject any teaching or concept not taught or found therein especially in the New Testament.

From what you have written, you have encountered the influence of strange prophets (and their faith wrecking practices) who practise things not found in scripture. She appears to be obsessed with them but you are the one that ,through prayer and patience, can help her see the fact that these practices are not of God, and these prophets are deceiving her and milking her dry in exchange for nothing.

Becoming an agnostic is a selfish way out because you will be leaving her at the mercy of the wolves (and they are known for their merchandising and enslaving tactics). Besides, whatever family problems that led her to seek solutions where none exists will still persist.

I am persuaded that there might be some challenges in the family that inform her need for Divine intervention ; why not take these up in prayer (if you are a child of God) and even make audible declarations that will be a bond to compel you to pray until something happens (without the 'aid' of these 'prophets').
In fact, such answers to prayer are a strong point of persuasion.

bananaboi:


bro, someone once told me that not believing in totality isn't christianity, that person would still go to hell. This world is confusing with religion in it

bananaboi:


thank you sir for the reply. We don't actually have any serious crisis in my family, my dad is always against her jumping from one church to another, and like you've said shes just obsessed with the so called magicians (prophets).
I will think about what you've said. Thanks for the reply.

afroniger:


For the record, I'm a theist. The only self-evident" truth, as far as I am concerned, is that there's a God(s) or Creator(s) out there somewhere who for whatever reason has chosen to hide himself from humanity, at least for now. I've personally proved this beyond a shred of doubt so that's not in contention. Organized religion, as we know it, is merely a culmination of man's futile and delusional attempts to synchronize his ideas to explain age old questions of his origin; how he came to be, who he is, why he is -- his purpose of existence, what he is, why he must die, the after-life -- what happens after he dies, etc.

krattoss:
Thats how it starts... From been agnostic, u migrate to doubt, from doubt u now migrate to atheism.
U cant just sit on the fence.

And from which perspective do u view ur god? Which mode of praying do u communicate to him?..cos u cant claim to believe there is god and claim also to be agnostic of the religion that told u about god which u accepted. And later come to doubt the religions teachings but believe in its concept of god.

afroniger:
Bro, I think it's o.k and indeed NECESSARY to ask this sort of questions. Unfortunately, most religions hinge the very basis of their belief system on 'faith' -- e.g. you must believe the biblical account of creation and the exodus entirely on FAITH -- even though there's no shred of physical evidence or record that places the Israelites in Egypt as slaves or of the Exodus ever occuring (Israeli archeologists and scientists are still unable to find any concrete evidence or proof of the biblical exodus actually happening). But you find that on a closer study of those accounts, more questions are raised than answers. E.g., were the original 'Adam and Eve' white, black, or Asian? How did the races originate? Why is the Bible silent on that? Why was the 'God' of the Old Testament so ..brutal, judgemental and vindictive, in contrast to the gentle, compassionate, tolerant and understanding New Testament Jesus Christ? e.t.c. Rather than answer this questions, religious leaders wish them away by asking their followers to just "focus on Jesus", when even the biblical accounts of the life of Jesus are full of contradictions (http://www.biblicalcatholic.com/apologetics/ShreddingTheGospels.htm)

For the record, I'm a theist. The only self-evident" truth, as far as I am concerned, is that there's a God(s) or Creator(s) out there somewhere who for whatever reason has chosen to hide himself from humanity, at least for now. I've personally proved this beyond a shred of doubt so that's not in contention. Organized religion, as we know it, is merely a culmination of man's futile and delusional attempts to synchronize his ideas to explain age old questions of his origin; how he came to be, who he is, why he is -- his purpose of existence, what he is, why he must die, the after-life -- what happens after he dies, etc.

But you find that even organized religions still experience an abysmal failure and lack of consensus, internal conflicts and schisms concerning this questions, as evidenced for example by the over 400 (and growing) denominations, sects and cults of organized Christianity that supposedly derive their religion from the same Bible -- they all interpret, read in/derive divergent meanings from the exact same Bible, like ? ? ?). I mean, how hard can it be to have a uniform understanding of a frigging book? ? Afterall, man has written and compiled and churned out other books on other subjects like physics and chemistry that many of us have read them and derived a uniform understanding from them, but when it comes to religious texts, individual ambitions to create their own following, churches, and interpretation of God motivates them to derive a million and one interpretations from the same exact religious texts!

Even the Catholic church, at least in a sincere effort, REVISES its religious ideas and teachings every now and then, meaning they concede that their understanding of "truth" is subject to change and modification. Incidentally, the Catholic church doesn't even accept the absolute veracity of biblical texts (and rightly so too), after all, the Bible as we know it -- both old and new testaments) was compiled and preserved by them.

This isn't exclusive to Christianity, Islam is just as guilty with it's Wahabism, Suunis, Shias, Suffis, etc. Even Sikhs derive their religion from Hinduism and Islam. So you see, man's always sought a way to understand a Creator who in his infinite wisdom has chosen to leave him in the dark, else it will cost God nothing to manifest himself physically once and for, but He's obviously chosen not to. But this hasn't quelled man's desire to understand his origins and purpose, and since God his creator has yet to explicitly give a definite answer, he then makes up those answers himself -- that is how and why we have so many different religions with differing ideas and "answers" to these age old questions.

bananaboi:


thanks..I will seek God within myself..if hes real, He will show himself to me

bananaboi:


thanks..I will seek God within myself..if hes real, He will show himself to me

menesheh:


This is kinda deistic ideology.

BOLDED. On what bases and mechanisms did you employed to evaluate and substantiate the possibility of a hidden god, then arriving to an absolute conclusion of such a weird idea without any contentions?


#Skepticism
#Logic absolutism

People believed for thousands of years that live maggots could be spawned from dead
meat. In 1665, Francesco Redi (1626–1697) put meat in three jars, one open, one closed with
gauze and the third closed with paper. Flies laid their eggs on the meat in the open jar. The eggs
hatched to maggots, then young flies. Unable to reach the meat, flies laid their eggs on the gauze
of the second jar and the maggots hatched on the gauze, not on the meat. No eggs were laid on the
paper or the meat of the third jar, so it remained free of maggots. With this repeatable experiment,
Redi proved scientifically that life, the maggots, comes from life, the flies, and not from non life,
the dead meat.

bananaboi:


thanks..I will seek God within myself..if hes real, He will show himself to me

An2elect2:


bananaboi there is a God and my prayer is that he reveals himself to you.

I was also in your shoes some years back, and God gave me eyes to see Him and ears to hear Him. He is "more real" than even the world we are inhabiting.

God knows from before time, that you will be in this position someday and He alone knows how to get you out. Who else will you cry to if not Him!

bananaboi:
[b] Hey guys, My name is bananaboi and I dont know whats happening to me. My parents are both Christians and I was brought up in the anglican pattern of Christianity. When I was up to 15 years old I was always opposing the views of some Christian practices. Stuffs like deliverance sessions, holy water and pastors or prophets casting out evil spirits especially from the female counterparts. It annoyed me, I didnt really believed in it, I rarely attended deliverance services, I only wanted to live a normal Christian life, believe in God and do good. My mum is always attending churches upon churches in search of powerful prophets that could wow her in an extraordinary manner. The one that can die and resurrect again. She believed in all of them.

Sometimes in church, I would doubting if heaven was actually real and if God actually exists, but most times I always agree that it all exists but to an extent.


There was a time, a prophet gave her a pack of saint Louis sugar which he had prayed on. He told her to pour it on our newly acquired piece of land, he told her that it will destroy every hands of evil on that land. she payed heavily for it, with about 10 thousand naira or so . A day came and I was looking for sugar to add to my pap, I searched her box and found the packet of sugar. I took like 6 cubes and even shared it with my siblings. It was too sweet to be evil. When my mum cane, she discovered that it was her sugar, she screamed and took all of us immediately to the prophet. He mixed some stuff in water and gave me to drink, and gave my mum a coloured liquid, telling her to pour it in our bathing water.

I never believed that sugar had an effect on me, but my mum was so gullible, she could do anything all for religion.

Nowadays, I hardly believe what a pastor tells me, I might be nodding my head in approval but in my heart, I am a doubting Thomas.
I think I am becoming agnostic ......And I am worried [/b]

menesheh:
Religion is human invention promoted and nurtured by dictatorial leadership (empires, kings, chief etc) which forces its subjects to obey and never question such ideas and claims of theirs, whether it is true or fantasies.
We are so opportuned to be part of this 21st century, where subjugation and forceful subjection of one's idea to others are going into extinction. 21st century where we can question ideas without being executed, where we can disbelief an idea without becoming an escape goat. Where Critical thinking and making use of one's damn cognitive reasoning thrives. Where one can exercise his/her freedom and opinions on issues concerning him.

It will be a thing of absurdity not questioning and evaluating ideas in order to separate facts (reality) from myths (fantasies), to arrive to a more possible valid conclusions especially with the enormous freedom permitted in our contemporary world.

We continue running and fearing the unknown when nothing is actually chasing and terrorizing us. The fear of the unknown is the beginning of delusion and illusions.

Eddlad:




Since you like thinking let me ask you this,
If the big bang actually caused everything to move from a center point then why do we have some objects orbiting others?

davien:
And when you're asked of proof you'll say it's a personal experience,so how is what you just wrote not a blatant lie?

An2elect2:

You think i mean physical eyes and ears?

davien:
What other eyes and ears do you have? Invisible god detecting ones?
You've been caught with your pants down an2elect2..

An2elect2:


Ok

davien:
Are you a creationist by any chance?

Eddlad:



I practice scriptures.