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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Teekrayne(m): 12:39pm On Jul 28, 2015 |
bonechamberlain:....... Thanks, we learn everyday and I respect your view! But then, it still doesn't change the fact that you are a baboon........ Eranko.......... |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Teekrayne(m): 12:43pm On Jul 28, 2015 |
illiad:....... Awon ti won ju mi lo ni ilu yin ni ode! Oponu agbalagba!! |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by free13: 1:29pm On Jul 28, 2015 |
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Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 4:19pm On Jul 28, 2015 |
zionzoe: 1. No my friend Jesus did not die for anyone's sin, not for me and not even for you because he never said so. In fact there is nowhere in the bible where Jesus said O Mankind I have died for your sins or any statement similar to this. Man is composed of soul (secret of life) and body like all other animals (This is intellectual). The spirit however is something different from the soul and the body and is not even related to them with evidence that an animal has both soul and body but does not have the spirit. By the way I know you guys are confused about the spirit. The spirit is the realisation of one's relationship with his/her creator. Meaning that only the one who believe in a God/god has this spirit with evidence that a non-believer does not have the spirit. It is that realisation of one's relation with his/her creator that controls man action. I do not want to delve in to this too much but I hope you get the meaning of spirit in this respect. This is not the same as the Holy Spirit. On the issue of sin every child is born without sin including you and me and no one will inherit the sin of the other: Ezekiel 18:20: The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself. So you see from above God will not hold us responsible for the sin of Adam and Eve which they committed without our consent. Everyone is for himself/herself Romans 14:12: So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God. 1 John 3:4: Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. So anyone who never disobey God is sinless other people who are sinless are mad people who have no control of themselves. 13Then some children were brought to Him so that He might lay His hands on them and pray; and the disciples rebuked them. 14But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." In other word the children are sinless As for the trial of Abraham when God asked him to sacrifice his son it was Ishmail whom Abraham wanted to sacrifice. In fact at the time of that command Isaac was not even born and Jesus was born many hundreds of years later. As Abraham was about to slaughter Ismail then God replaced him with a ram which is the reason we slaughter ram every year in remembrance of that. So that incident had nothing to do with Jesus. 2. The respect I am talking is putting forward your points without being abusive and when you put forward your claim then you should substantiate it with evidence or reference otherwise it will be slander. So if you claim anything regarding Islam or our Prophet you have to provide evidence or your sources keeping in mind that history is subsjective depending on who is the narrator. For example in the sight of historian from the allies side dropping atomic bombs at Nazasaki and Hiroshima was the best thing to do to defeat the enemies while from the perspective of the Japanese historian it was pure act of aggression. So naturally reading the history of Islam from the enemy of Islam will not convey the truth about Islam. Similarly reading the history of Christianity from the enemy of Christianity will not convey the truth about Christianity. So in view of that the best way to get the correct information about both is to go to their correct sources that is Quran and Sunnah for Islam and Bible for Christianity. The verses you quoted 9:5 and 9:25 are definitely part of the Quran but the understanding you have about them is completely wrong. Those verses are talking about the disbelievers of Makkah that drove the Muslims out of Makkah and when the Muslims migrated to Medina they still pursued them to kill them. The Muslims were not allowed to fight in the beginning but after establishment of the state in Medina they were permitted to fight the disbelievers who where fighting them. The evidence of this claim was the fact that there were Jews, Christians and Traditionalist in Medina even at the time of the Prophet of Islam and the verse of the Quran which says: There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. 2:256 Even the reality of the world today refute your claim for if the verses were commanding the Muslims to embark on that against all disbelievers the whole world will have been in turmoil considering the fact that there are over 1.7 billion Muslims in this world and we know that nobody practice their religion more than the Muslims. What about the following verses from the Bible? [b]1. Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged. Deuteronomy17:12 2. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God. Ezekiel 35:7-9 3. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. Matthew 10:34-35 4. Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. Isaiah 14:21 5. Then I heard God say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.” Ezekiel 9:5 6. Keep [my holiday], for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die. Exodus 31:12-15 7. If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10 8. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31: 17-18 9. A [holy man’s] daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. Leviticus 21:9 10. Everyone who would not seek God was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 11. But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 12. If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. Deuteronomy 13:7-12 13. Cursed be he who does God’s work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. Jeremiah 48:10 14. Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers]. Leviticus 24:16 15. Anyone else who goes too near the [Holy Place] will be executed. Numbers 1: 51 [/b] And Jesus said mathew 5: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. According to the verses Mathew 5 above all the previous verses 1 to 15 are all valid and must be acted upon by the followers of Jesus. So does the above make him terrorists according to your criterion above? Not in my believe. |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 4:38pm On Jul 28, 2015 |
zionzoe: My friend Yakubu is same as Jacob the son of Isaac who was the son of Abraham and the father of Joseph, Benjamin and other 10 children. So I am OK if you call me Jacob or even Israel because Jacob is Israel. The problem here is that I quote for you from the bible but you are quoting some scholars, historians and others not from the Quran. I am sure you will agree with me that if their stand is differ from the Qur'an then we should take the Quran stand as the basis as far as Muslims and Islamic issues are concerned. People can go wrong but the Scripture is there as the criteria. My friend to make a point you have to quote for me the verse of the Quran or Hadith that allow such things otherwise you cannot claim it to be from Islam even if some Muslims do it. I hope you understand my point. Remember you said we should not hold Christianity responsible for the action of Hitler (where he killed 6 million jews) even though he claimed to be a dedicated Christian. So why are you doing same for Islam when you can not support your claim with even a single verse in the Quran? Please be sincere in what you say or do because we will all account ourselves before God one day. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Mcowubaba: 5:05pm On Jul 28, 2015 |
mbolajide2010:I don't need to understand the Quran to know Islam has Potential violent tendencies!!! Is it only christians that commit adultery ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Islam is a violent religion QED!!!! Compare the peace, stability nd human rights in Muslim countries nd that in Christian countries...(Iraq vs Ghana...Syria vs Australia.. Iran vs England...Saudi Arabia vs Canada...e.t.c)....ur religion is archaic, turbulent nd catastrophic in nature... Peace sir.... |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 6:20pm On Jul 28, 2015 |
limamintruth: It appears that you have not followed my post from the beginning you will have understood my posts. I suggest you go back and check my first post on this thread then you will have understood better before your comment. Anyway the 2% figure came from the fact that there are over 1.7billion Muslims in this world and those alleged to be involve in killing the innocent people are not up to 2% of 1.7 billion. This is a fact do the arithmetic yourself mister. As for your claim on every Muslim, you are absolutely wrong because I am sure throughout your life up to now you have not met up to 10% of the Muslims. So how do you know their mind ![]() On your claim on our Prophet you have no single evidence but a hearsay and that is not a fact neither is it an evidence but an opinion which definitely came from the enemy of Islam. And remember one thing we will all account for our actions and utterances before God one day. If you go through my previous posts on this thread you will see the correlation but because you never did that so you could not see the correlation. By the way can't you convey your point without being abusive ![]() It is a known fact that the Roman Catholic bible is different from the protestant bible which is different from the Jehovah witness. The Jehovah witness magazine Awake of 8th September 1957 claimed that there are over 50,000 errors in the bible or are you not aware of this? And we know that God does not make errors so those errors cannot be in the original one which was in Aramaic. We are not talking of difference in explanation but we are talking of real differences which others expunged, others consider as errors while other believe in them. Quran is Quran and there is no difference between the Haf's and Warsh. Haf's and Warsh are only recitation style. No I am not confused at all but rather you were the one who jump and respond to what you never understood. I was not asking for any explanation on these verses of the bible I only quote them to support my point that these verses call for killing are also in the bible because the person I address the response to claimed that I can never see such verses in the bible. So again go and read before you respond. My response to your verse above is what Jesus said Mathew 5: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. The laws and the commandments still stand as per the above. I have told you that if you truly believe in God and you believe you will account for your actions and utterances before Him one day then you should stop being abusive otherwise do what you whatever you wish. |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by United4lyf(m): 10:13pm On Jul 28, 2015 |
LastProphet:wow amazing,this just confirmed to us that christians in the 20th and 21st century don't follow and obeyed what was written in their scripture or you want to tell us that Jesus only started preaching christianity from the 20th century??or u meant those christians from the 14th to 19th centuries who murdered people quoting your scripture are not real christians?oh or maybe your religion undergone man made reforms and left the actual message of God...please enlighten us. |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by LastProphet: 10:35am On Jul 29, 2015 |
United4lyf: Keep dulling yourself |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 11:56am On Jul 29, 2015 |
YakubuA:You can deny all you want, but the fact still remains that muslims generally support islamic terrorism against non-muslims directly or indirectly. We see how the Islamic State continues expanding with the aid of rich muslim countries & muslim individuals around the globe joining the terrorist group on a daily basis. Inasmuch as the active jihadic terrorists are less in number than their teeming sympatizers, the millions of muslims such as: - the millions of muslim minors/infants (who presently lack the capability to act for themselve but are already being groomed by the extremists adults for the future); - the millions of physically&mentally challenged muslims(whose disabilities have made it near-impossible for them to actively participate in these jihads); & - the millions of aged men who are presently too frail to participate in the extremism for a.llah; still subtly support the aggressive activities of their fellow islamists against non-musims. If not, why is it that the reaction of muslims worldwide whenever any non-muslim acts in such a way that is percieved by them as insultive of their religion is always outrageously hostile(fatwas and all) than when their fellow muslim(s) taint the quran/prophet by asserting that the quran/prophet are their sole motivation for all the inhumane crimes they perpetrate ![]() We never see 'the supposed millions of good muslims around the world' protesting whenever certain muslims "allegedely defame" the prophet by asserting that he instructed them to kill non-muslims in the most barbaric way; but we have always seen the same 'good muslims' protesting&attacking enmasse in countries all over the world whenever the prophet is cartoonized by a non-muslim. Hence why the bias in reaction by you muslims if I may ask? ![]() Your hatred for non-muslims is a character trait instilled in you right from birth by your 'holy' book of hate. Btw In this jet age, I really do not have to live with all the muslims on earth to know these facts mister. ![]() YakubuA: First of all, contrary to the core belief upon which christianity is founded, J.W do not recognise Jesus as one with God. Hence, the vast majority of christians do not regard J.W as christians to start with. J.W do not speak for us neither do we even consider them as one of us. But since you are so sure of J.W's assertion, you can as well identify these 50,000 errors or the distorted aramaic bible version for us then. We will really appreciate it if you can do just that ![]() And about the Catholic English Bible translation/version, my simple answer to you is this: The catholic Bible is the same as every of other Bible English translation because these Holy Bible translations contain the 66canonized books that make up the Holy Bible. It is trite that the Holy Bible is the most recognized religious book in the world & it is made up of only 66 universally accepted sacred books. Thus, any manuscript that contains these 66 sacred books can be rightly deemed as 'Bible' (whether or not there are extra books or explanatory notes attached therein). These extra non/sub-canonized books or explanatory notes do not alter the make up of the bible in anyway. Therefore, whether or not they are included, the bible remains the same complete word/message of God so long as the 66canonized books are present. YakubuA: Well I have painstakingly explained the Bible verses you had cited & even provided another bible verse on your request. The law I made reference to in my previous posts was the old covenant mosaic laws. The old covenant came with its own laws, which were laws established by God for the nation of isreal (whom He then referred to as His chosen people). The death&resurrection of Jesus has fulfilled these old laws and brought about a new covenant between God and all who believe(not just the jews). I therefore advise that you go back and carefully re-read my previous posts again. Dont expect me to repeat myself over&over again. And while at it, feel free to carefully digest these Bible verses as well ![]() Galatians 3 ![]() So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Galatians 3 ![]() 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." Roman 6:14 14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. YakubuA: Oh really? ![]() In addition to the fact that there are salient differences among the seven popular arabic versions(which includes the hafs & warsh: E.g while some verses are stated in the plural form in one quran version, same verses are presented in the singular by the other version. One example thus: THE QUR'AN ACCORDING TO:- (Hafs)... we give mercy ... 2:58 (Warsh)... he gives mercy ... 2:57 You will agree with me that the plurality of the first as against the second version above does give the similar verse different meaning. Furthermore, there is no religious book in the world that has as much distorted history/origin as the quran. FACT! We all know that the Qur’an we have today is descended from the Uthmanic codex. And it is also known that not all Muslim scholars approve of the new Qur’an. Indeed, some of prophet muhammad's top teachers rejected Zaid’s version. Muhammad once told his followers to “Learn the recitation of the Qur’an from four: from Abdullah bin Masud—he started with him —Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Mu’adh bin Jabal, and Ubai bin Ka’b” (Sahih al-Bukhari 3808). Interestingly, Ibn Masud (first on Muhammad’s list) held that the Qur’an should only have 111 chapters (today’s version has 114 chapters), and that chapters 1, 113, and 114 shouldn’t have been included in the Qur’an. Because of this (along with hundreds of other textual differences), Ibn Masud went so far as to call the final edition of the Qur’an a deception! ![]() He said, “The people have been guilty of deceit in the reading of the Qur’an. I like it better to read according to the recitation of him [i.e. Muhammad] whom I love more than that of Zayd Ibn Thabit” (Ibn Sa’d,Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, Vol. 2, p. 444). The question now is should Muslims submit to this “deceit”? Not surprisingly, Ibn Masud advised Muslims to reject Zaid’s Qur’an and to keep their own versions—even to hide them so that they wouldn’t be confiscated by the government! He said: Jami at-Tirmidhi 3104—“O you Muslim people! Avoid copying the Mushaf and recitation of this man. By Allah! When I accepted Islam he was but in the loins of a disbelieving man”—meaning Zaid bin Thabit—and it was regarding this that Abdullah bin Mas’ud said: “O people of Al-Iraq! Keep the Musahif that are with you, and conceal them.” But Ibn Masud wasn’t the only one of Muhammad’s trusted teachers who disagreed with Zaid’s Qur’an. Ubayy ibn Ka’b was Muhammad’s best reciter and one of the only Muslims to collect the materials of the Qur’an during Muhammad’s lifetime. Yet Ibn Ka’b believed that Zaid’s Qur’an was missing two chapters! Later, Muslims were therefore forced to reject some of Ibn Ka’b’s recitation: Sahih al-Bukhari 5005—Umar said, “Ubayy was the best of us in the recitation (of the Qur’an), yet we leave some of what he recites.” Ubayy says, “I have taken it from the mouth of Allah’s Messenger and will not leave it for anything whatever.” Due to these disputes among Muhammad’s hand-picked reciters, you muslims are now faced with a dilemma because if you say that the Qur’an we have today has been perfectly preserved, then you are indirectly admitting that Muhammad was horrible at choosing scholars, since he selected men who disagreed with today’s text. If on the other hand, you Muslims accept that Caliph Uthman was wrong to have disregarded several important recitation of the (supposed) prophecy, that automatically amounts to an admittance that the Quran we have today is flawed! Whichever way, the content of the quran still remains questionable. ![]() |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 12:19pm On Jul 29, 2015 |
[quote author=YakubuA post=36368345] You have no right to blame us for regarding islam as a terror religion or muslims as terrorists dude; rather transfer the blame to the following renowned muslims & clerics of yours that portray quran as a book of hate against non-muslims ![]() "Prophet Muhammad (SAW) in his life time flushed out all idol worshipers and their leaders and all these evils. So, our aim and target is to do so here... Allah commanded us to obey His Holy Quran. Whether one likes it or not, we will follow it... we will get people to believe Allah is one, and Muhammad, His Prophet. They will come to the right way. " Ustaz Muhammed Yusuf, (founder of the Boko Haram terror group that has been known to kidnap and behead Christian pastors who refuse to embrace Islam) “My motivation is a sense of duty toward my religious faith to fight against any hostile enemy of Islam.” Abu Deraa, (Shiite terrorist known for drilling into captive’s heads) “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. Islam says: 'Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter their armies'.... "Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors! "There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and hadiths urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.'” The Ayatollah Khomeini (Iran's supreme spiritual leader) "Our conflict is not an Israeli-Arab conflict. Our struggle is not for a Palestinian state. We are seeking the world. We are seeking the whole world. We are seeking a confrontation against all Crusaders, against all Christians, against all infidels until they adopt the Islamic religion, until they follow the Sharia of Allah. We are not interested in Palestine. We are not interested in Tel Aviv or in Ashkelon. What is important for us is to see Islam ruling the world. This is the religion of God and we are fighting to see Islam rule the world." Abu Al-Ayna al-Ansari, (a leader of a Salafi group in the Gaza Strip that is allied with Islamic State ideology) "I am one of the servants of Allah. We do our duty of fighting for the sake of the religion of Allah. It is also our duty to send a call to all the people of the world to enjoy this great light and to embrace Islam and experience the happiness in Islam.Our primary mission is nothing but the furthering of this religion." Osama bin Laden, May 1998 So how do you expect us to accept that islam seeks peace with all these confirmations of the hate in islam by famous muslims(including an ayatollah ![]() ![]() Pls stop trying so hard to deny the obvious cos we are not that foo.lish. |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by zeyney(f): 8:24pm On Jul 29, 2015 |
No Mata Wat U Say Or D Proofs U Provide Dey Stil Wunt Listen Cus Their Ears Re Covered Wit Hot Wax Nd Their Eyes Sealed Except Those Whom Allah Wills 2 Guide So Chillax Cus Allah Kws Best 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 3:04am On Jul 30, 2015 |
limamintruth: You can deny all you want, but the fact still remains that muslims generally support islamic terrorism against non-muslims directly or indirectly. At last you understand where the 2% came from. You are not stating facts here rather you are putting forward your perception and your perception cannot be fact. If you want to talk fact then give me figures out of 1.7billion Muslims how many have you met for you jump to your conclusion? Pls be sincere. We see how the Islamic State continues expanding with the aid of rich muslim countries & muslim individuals around the globe joining the terrorist group on a daily basis. The ISIS is the making of the west if only you take your time to search we Muslims are very much aware of this right from the beginning: The telegraph reported that: "An underground network of Syrian opposition activists is receiving training and supplies of vital equipment from a combined American and British effort to forge an effective alternative to the Damascus regime. Dozens of dissidents have been ferried out of Syria to be vetted for foreign backing." Even the leader was trained in Israel and is a known fact that most of its fighters are from the west. Inasmuch as the active jihadic terrorists are less in number than their teeming sympatizers, the millions of muslims such as: This is not true. The reality of the world today prove otherwise. To begin with even in Medina at the time of the Prophet there were Non-Muslims and they were not killed. Islam only allow the Muslims to fight those who fight them and that is normal by any law. Islam has ruled India for over 1000 years and till today the Hindus are the majority in India if your claim is true all of them will have been killed or forced to be Muslims but neither happened. Islam has ruled Spain for over 700 years. Go and read the history and hopefully you can also discover how your Christian terrorists slaughtered the Muslims in the name of Christianity in the Spanish Inquisition. If not, why is it that the reaction of muslims worldwide whenever any non-muslim acts in such a way that is percieved by them as insultive of their religion is always outrageously hostile(fatwas and all) than when their fellow muslim(s) taint the quran/prophet by asserting that the quran/prophet are their sole motivation for all the inhumane crimes they perpetrate I thought you should figure that out yourself but apparently you could not. Anyway the difference between the two is the motive behind their actions. While the Non-Muslims deliberately insult the Prophet and the Muslims with the intention to incite the Muslims the fellow Muslims only misunderstood the message. So we Muslims protest against the insult thrown to us by the non-Muslims because it was deliberate while we try to call the attention of the fellow Muslims who misunderstood the message since their intention is not to insult Islam or the Prophet. Your hatred for non-muslims is a character trait instilled in you right from birth by your 'holy' book of hate. No you are very wrong. Islam has ruled this world as a super power for over 1300 years and if your assertion is true all the non-Muslims would have been killed. The fact that there are non-Muslims even in Arabia, the birth place of Islam, prove that you are wrong. Btw In this jet age, I really do not have to live with all the muslims on earth to know these facts mister. Then you have not done your research properly. First of all, contrary to the core belief upon which christianity is founded, J.W do not recognise Jesus as one with God. Yes the JW also do not recognise the vast majority of you as Christians as well. So in the absence of the original message how do we know who is right ![]() But since you are so sure of J.W's assertion, you can as well identify these 50,000 errors or the distorted aramaic bible version for us then. This is suppose to be your assignment if at all you consider searching the truth about your believe to be of utmost importance. And about the Catholic English Bible translation/version, my simple answer to you is this: Without the original scripture nothing can be confirmed because we know that 66 books is not equal to 73 books and is either the original had 66 books or 73 books and only the original scripture can confirm the correct one. Well I have painstakingly explained the Bible verses you had cited & even provided another bible verse on your request. The first two verses (galatians 3 13 and 25) are neither the word of God nor the word of Jesus so I will not comment on them. I am sure you will understand what I mean when you read the English (Third party). So on whose authority ![]() As for Roman 6:14 above what we see in reality is the opposite because you guys are swimming in sins. The greatest sin in the sight of God is associating partner with Him. You have made Jesus (human) to be God. This is the highest level of sin which is even worse than killing. |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 3:08am On Jul 30, 2015 |
[quote author=limamintruth post=36390986] Oh really? Again you are very wrong. I don't know where you get what you quoted but verses 2:57 and 58 are as follows: 2:57 And We shaded you with clouds and sent down to you manna and quails, [saying], "Eat from the good things with which We have provided you." And they wronged Us not - but they were [only] wronging themselves. 2:58 And [recall] when We said, "Enter this city and eat from it wherever you will in [ease and] abundance, and enter the gate bowing humbly and say, 'Relieve us of our burdens.' We will [then] forgive your sins for you, and We will increase the doers of good [in goodness and reward]." So please compare with your quote above and see if they are same. Again pls do your research well before copy and paste anything. As for the We is a plural of respect not plural of number. This is very common in the Semetic languages for example in Hebrew they say ElohIm. The Im at the end of Eloh is for plural of respect. We all know that the Qur’an we have today is descended from the Uthmanic codex. There is no version in the Quran. There are seven dialect of Arabic Languages and one can recite the Quran in any of them. The recitation was done in the presence of the Prophet and he approved each. There is nothing called Zaid's version of the Quran. Who are those top teachers? Please mention names. Muhammad once told his followers to “Learn the recitation of the Qur’an from four: Pls stop copy and paste atleast try to understand it. This is the full hadith: Abdullah bin Masud was mentioned before `Abdullah bin `Amr who said, "That is a man I still love, as I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying 'Learn the recitation of Qur'an from four from `Abdullah bin Mas`ud -- he started with him--Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudaifa, Mu`adh bin Jabal and Ubai bin Ka`b." The hadith said learn recitation that is how to read it not version. Furthermore the hadith did not limit the learning of the recitation from only these four companions. Interestingly, Ibn Masud (first on Muhammad’s list) held that the Qur’an should only have 111 chapters (today’s version has 114 chapters), and that chapters 1, 113, and 114 shouldn’t have been included in the Qur’an. You are absolutely wrong. You do not have any evidence on this Ibn Masud consider all the three surahs to be part of the Quran. Chafter 1 of the Quran is Al Fatihah see below: Al-Fatiha: Al-Fatiha means the ‘al-fatiha al-kitab’ i.e. opening of the Book (al-Qur’an). And its status is such an established one in Islam that no Muslim can be negligent about it. It is recited multiple times in every salah five times a day. Ibn Mas’ud did recognize it a part of the Qur’an: Al-Fatiha’s status as a part of the Qur’an is established from the Qur’an itself. In Surah 15 it is said: وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَاكَ سَبْعًا مِنَ الْمَثَانِي وَالْقُرْآنَ الْعَظِيمَ “We have given you the seven oft-repeated verses and the glorious Qur‘an.” (Qur’an 15:87) Here “seven oft-repeated verses” refers to Surah al-Fatiha. Quoting Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, Ibn Dhurays, Ibn Munzar and Ibn Mardwiyah, al-Suyuti gives us the following narration; It is narrated from Ibn Mas’ud, regarding the word of Allah, ‘We have given you the seven oft-repeated verses’ He said: “[It is] Fatiha al-Kitab.” (Durr Manthur 5/94, Dar al-Fikr, Beirut) This plainly confirms that the al-Fatiha was indeed a part of the Qur’an in the view of Ibn Mas’ud just like the rest of Muslims. Al-Mu’awwazatayn (Surah Nos. 113 & 114): Ibn Mas’ud did recognize al-mu’awwazatayn a part of the Qur’an: The evidence that Ibn Mas’ud did consider al-mu’awwazatayn a part of the Qur’an, is too strong. Consider the following points; 1- The foremost medium of preservation of the Holy Qur’an has always been memory of the Muslim masses. In the article about Qur’an preservation during Holy Prophet’s –may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him- time I shared a Hadith on this point and here I reproduce it. Allah Almighty said to the Holy Prophet- may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him: "I sent the Book to you which cannot be washed away by water." (Sahih Muslim, Hadith 5109) Muslims experts of Qira’at (recitals) have always preserved the unbroken chain of authorities of back to the Holy Prophet –may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and all his followers. And the Mutawatir Qira’ats are the ultimate and greatest authority on the words of the Holy Qur’an. 2- All the Mutawatir Qira’ats do include al-mu’awwazatayn (and certainly al-Fatiha as well). And four of the Mutawatir Qira’ats can be traced back to the Holy Prophet –may Allah’s blessings be upon him- through Abdullah ibn Mas’ud. Here I briefly mention the Mutawatir Qira’ats through Ibn Mas’ud –may Allah be pleased with him with reference to a monumental work on the subject i.e. al-Nashr fi Qira’at al-‘Ashr of Shams al-Din Ibn al-Jazri (d. 833 A.H.) i- Qir’at of Aasim: Its chain reaches back to the Holy Prophet –may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him- through Zirr through Ibn Masud. Please note, the same Aasim and Zirr who are the narrators of the reports in Musnad Ahmad etc. (given below) showing Ibn Masud did not write the two surahs in his Mushaf are the narrators of a mutawatir qira’at from Ibn Masud in which they did recite the two surahs on his authority. See vol.1 p.155 ii- Qir’at of Hamza: Its chain reaches Holy Prophet –may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him- through Ibn Mas’ud. See p. 165 iii- Qir’at of al-Kisai: Its chain back to Prophet also involves Ibn Masud. See p.172 iv- Qir’at of Khalaf: It also rests on Ibn Masud’s authority. See p.185 These ‘mutawatir qira’ats’ certainly include al-Muawazzatayn and al-Fatiha and thus leave no doubt that Ibn Mas’ud recognized and recited them as Qur’an. Also remember by the consensus of the whole Ummah the chains of these Qir’ats are strongest of all the chains anywhere. See Fawatih al-Rahmout fi Sharh Musallam al-Thabut vol.1 p.12 The narrations that hint otherwise will be dealt with shortly. 3. Quoting from al-Daylami, Shaykh Ali Muttaqi, in his gigantic Hadith collection, records a very interesting narration. Narrated Ibn Mas’ud: "Excessively recite two surahs. Allah will make you reach higher ranks in the Hereafter because of them. They are al-mu’awwazatayn (i.e. al-Falaq and an-Nas/Nos. 113 & 114) ...” (Kanzul ‘Ummal, Hadith 2743) Here in most explicit terms Ibn Mas’ud –may Allah be pleased with him- refers to al-mu’awwazatayn as two surahs, showing he did believe in their divine origin and Qur’anic authority. Further Ibn Masud said “One who rejected a single letter of the Qur’an, he (is like the one who) rejected the whole of it.” (Musannaf Abdul Razzaq, Hadith 15946)
When you do your copy and paste at least try to do some more research to confirm whether what you copied is authentic or not. Your translation above is wrong. This is the correct translation and the Arabic wording is below you can get anyone who understand Arabic to translate the word ghalla in this context is conceal not deceit: “So conceal the manuscripts! I like it better to read according to the recitation of him (Prophet) whom I love more than that of Zayd Ibn Thabit. By Him besides Whom there is no god! I learnt more than seventy surahs from the lips of the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, while Zayd Ibn Thabit was a youth, having two locks and playing with the youth.” Allah knows what has lead to the addition of the words “in the reading of Qur’an” in the translation given by missionaries. See the actual Arabic text below and decide for yourself; فَغَلَّوُا الْمَصَاحِفَ. فَلأَنْ أَقْرَأَ عَلَى قِرَاءَةِ مَنْ أُحِبُّ أَحَبَّ إِلَيَّ مِنْ أَنْ أَقْرَأَ عَلَى قِرَاءَةِ زَيْدِ بْنِ ثابت. فو الذي لا إِلَهَ غَيْرُهُ لَقَدْ أَخَذْتُ مِنْ فِيِّ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ - صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ - بِضْعًا وَسَبْعِينَ سُورَةً. وَزَيْدُ بْنُ ثَابِتٍ غُلامٌ لَهُ ذُؤَابَتَانِ يَلْعَبُ مَعَ الْغِلْمَانِ So the translation given by missionaries makes “ghalla” to mean “deceit” while the basic meaning of the word and the one intended here is “to hide/conceal.” Following are my evidences for this. 1- In the similar report in Jami’ Tirmidhi wording is; قَالَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مَسْعُودٍ: " يَا أَهْلَ العِرَاقِ اكْتُمُوا المَصَاحِفَ الَّتِي عِنْدَكُمْ وَغُلُّوهَا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يَقُولُ: {وَمَنْ يَغْلُلْ يَأْتِ بِمَا غَلَّ يَوْمَ القِيَامَةِ} فَالقُوا اللَّهَ بِالمَصَاحِفِ Abdullah bin Mas'ud said: 'O people of Al-Iraq! Keep the Musahif that are with you, and conceal them. For indeed Allah said: And whoever conceals something, he shall come with what he concealed on the Day of Judgement. So meet Allah with the Musahif.'" (Jami’ Tirmidhi, Hadith 3104) 1 Like |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by BERNIMOORE: 12:55pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
YakubuA: [size=14pt]#Coded (PostA)[/size] [size=14pt]My Statements of reply to your response to my Statement of Claims in pg (4)[/size] https://www.nairaland.com/2480272/why-islamic-scholars-silent-boko/4 For clarity purposes i have tagged each paragraphs containing every claims in your response to my Statement of Claims as (A1 to A16) Below, however; # You YakubuA erred in (A1 below) as you have fabricated and concorted your own version of Deuteronomy17:12 by removing 'isreal from the context of the verse' so as to give another meaning to the verse to equal it with quaran's verses that directly urges all the muslems believers' to fight, click http://quran.com/9/123 word for word here; 9:123 (Sahih International Translation) - سورة التوبة O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous. This DIRECT URGE to Muslim Believers cannot equally be said about christians in all A1-16 of your response below; YakubuA: A1...... YakubuA post.1. Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged.......Deuteronomy17:12 Authentic verse Deuteronomy17:12 reads "12 Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the Lord your God must die. In this way you will purge the evil [size=14pt]from Israel[/size]............................. Deuteronomy17:12 Click to verify http://biblehub.com/deuteronomy/17-12.htm can you please quote the bible version you used in your post above that ommited 'isreal in its context? pls bring it on in your reply, because it is a 'criminal exclusion. i want to belive that you are innocent until you fail to provide the bible version,(confirm the quaran version i quoted if its authentic (Sahih International Translation) A2...... YakubuA post .2. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am God. Ezekiel 35:7-9 verse 5 that clearly specify that those concerned are not christians but isreal 5 “Because you have had an ancient hatred, and have shed the blood of the children of Israel by the power of the sword at the time of their calamity click https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+35%3A5-9&version=NKJV A3........ YakubuA post.3. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother-in-law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. Matthew 10:34-35 reconcile same verse with what jesus said again about his sword.. Revelation 2:16 16 Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth. [/color] A4......... YakubuA post.4. Make ready to slaughter [the infidel’s] sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. Isaiah 14:21 Verses 1;2 of same isaiah 14 was specific about who are concerned, they are enemies of isreal, and so christians are not involved ........isaiah 14:1, [size=14pt] 2 Then people will take them and bring them to their place, and the house of Israel will possess them for servants and maids in the land of the Lord; they will take them captive whose captives they were, and rule over their oppressors [/size]. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+14%3A1-21&version=NKJV A5........YakubuA post.5. Then I heard God say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.” Ezekiel 9:5 VERSE 3 preceeding 5 shows that it was isreal that was concerned and Not christians Ezekiel 9:3 Now the glory of the God of [size=14pt]Israel[/size] had gone up from the cherub, where it had been, to the threshold of the temple.[a] And He called to the man clothed with linen, who had the writer’s inkhorn at his side; 4 and the Lord said to him, “Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.” A6.....YakubuA post.6. Keep [my holiday], for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die. Exodus 31:12-15, was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians A7......YakubuA post.7. If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10 ........was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians A8.......YakubuA post.8. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31: 17-18...... ........was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians A9....... YakubuA post. 9. A [holy man’s] daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. Leviticus 21:9 .......was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians A10..... YakubuA post.10. Everyone who would not seek God was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians A11..... YakubuA post.11. But if [a girl wasn't a virgin on her wedding night] and evidence of the girl's virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against God’s people by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians A12.... YakubuA post. 12. If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. Deuteronomy 13:7-12 was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians A13.... YakubuA post.13. Cursed be he who does God’s work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. Jeremiah 48:10 go back to verse 9 preceeding 10 ....... Jeremiah 48:9 “Give wings to [size=14pt]Moab(enemies of isreal),[/size] That she may flee and get away; For her cities shall be desolate, Without any to dwell in them. was Directed to Isreal's Enemy in the context and Not Christians A14....YakubuA post .14. Anyone who blasphemes God’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of [believers]. Leviticus 24:16 was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians A15.......YakubuA post.15. Anyone else who goes too near the [Holy Place] will be executed. Numbers 1: 51 was Directed to Isreal in the context and Not Christians i am expecting your reply to each and every paragraphs in A1-16 above, then Bring on more bible quotes and we shall consider them alongside quaran so as to see where problem was. Thanks |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 6:24pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
YakubuA: True. The same way Ahmadi muslims do not consider you lots as true muslims right? ![]() So how can we(the non-muslims) now verify who between you two is the true muslim, since neither Muhammad nor Uthman are alive today to clear our doubts? ![]() ![]() YakubuA: Mister Yaks, I cannot compel you to accept any verse in the Bible since you are not even a christian to start with and I am not an adherent of the jihadic religion that compel others to accept their beliefs or face death. Unlike you muslims that ascribe more importance to language&poetic literature of the quran than the actual message itself, We christians value the message as contained in the Bible than anything else. Hence, whether the bible message is translated in hausa, english, french, arabic e.t.c is irrelevant to us, so long as the word of God therein can be easily understood by the reader. To you, the english quran is inferior to the arabic quran; but to us christians, the Bible in greek, latin, english or even yoruba are all the same. Therefore we dont have to 'sing' our bible verses so that it can make sense like you muslims do. And hope you know that the book of Mathew was written by apostle Mathew(a mortal like you and I) and not Jesus christ Himself? So why then do you seem to agree with the contents/verses of the bible book of Mathews (whose author is also neither God or Jesus Himself), while you reject the book of Galatians ![]() Also, how do we then verify whether the message your prophet muhammad allegedly recieved from a.llah/god was indeed from God and not just concocted by him? ![]() Calling a peadophile, murderer & robber prophet of God is also a great sin against God. ![]() Next time, always think well before you type (no insult intended). And remember, you have no moral right to judge others cos you are not a perfect entity yourself. Why not first remove the giant log of wood in your eye mister sinless. YakubuA: Point of correction, Islam ruled some parts of the world not the world entirely. And we see how more than 90% of those places hard hit by islamic jihad are presently majorly muslims. FACT! Nations like Spain and some others in asia had to fight back and reclaim their territories from the jihadists. That is why these territories are not under the grip of islam today. As at the time of Muhammad's death, most of the middle east and other regions around the world were non-muslims. Islamic terror jihads brought about the rapid spread of islam all over the middle-east, asia & some african regions. If not for these islamic terrorism, islam wont have been widespread as it is today. FACT. Do more research if you dont know. ![]() We are well aware of the despicable genocide of armenian christians as perpetrated by Muslim Turks (who were part of the famous Ottoman empire). These muslim Turks slaughtered millions of Armenians in Cold Blood in the ten centuries that they tyrannized Armenia from the year 1071 till 1920. In that year the Seljuk Turks had defeated the Byzantines at the battle of Manzikert and overrun the Armenian provinces of the Byzantine Empire. It was all through this period that the muslims carried out the Armenian Genocide. YakubuA: Lol, so your fellow muslims that refer to muhammad as a foremost supporter of terrorism against infidels/non-muslims are only 'innocently' misunderstanding the prophet right? So because the non-muslims hold a contrary view about your prophet, you see their views as 'insulting' & not an 'innocent misunderstanding' right? ![]() We christians regard Jesus Christ as one with God, while you refer to Him as a mere human being. Does that mean we should consider that as an insult on our religion or God ![]() You muslims absolutely have no regard for our apostle paul. Should we also consider that as an insult as well? ![]() You just dont have a point & have confirmed to me that you all are sympathetic towards isis et al because you consider them your brethren in islam. And since non-muslims are not your brethren in islam, you are always quick to ask for their heads whenever they innocently express what they truly think of your religion (the same way you express what you think of other religions too). That to me is clear-cut double standards. YakubuA: To be honest, you have neither countered my points nor made any sense with all the epistle you posted above. Its obvious you are the one who is doing copy & paste here without properly sourcing the right information that corresponds to my question. Rather, you even corroborated all that I said about the doubts cast by Masud & Ibn Ka'b about Zaid's quran compilation. Personally I detaste quoting anything from your supposedly authentic hadith cos that book has even more contradictions than the quran sef. One striking example is the following: Narrated Qatada:" I asked Anas bin Malik: Who collected the Qur'an at the time of the Prophet? He replied, Four, all of whom were from the Ansar,Ubai bin Ka'b, Muadh bin Jabal, Zaid bin Thabit and Abu Zaid." Sahih Bukhari 6:61:525 Narrated Anas bin Malik:"When the Prophet died, none had collected the Qur'an but four persons:Abu Ad Darda, Mu'adh bin Jabal, Zaid bin Thabit and Abu Zaid. We were the inheritor (of Abu Zaid) as he had no offspring." Sahih Bukhari 6:61:526 ![]() Furthermore, saying that Muhammad treated non-muslims in his territory good is a blatant lie. During the first hijra, the muslims testified of how the Christian King of Abyssinia showed them so much kindness. We were never told that the Christians prevented the muslims from freely practising their religion while they stayed there, neither did we hear that they were subjected to any special tax/levy simply for being non-christians. Unfortunately same cannot be said of your beloved prophet who restricted the non-muslims in his territory from freely practising their religion and went ahead to impose special tax on the non-muslims. And this is the same ill-treatment being meted upon non-muslims living in most of the modern day islamic republics in existence today. Yet, you insist islam is a religion of love&peace my foot! You muslims better start accepting the truth because it is only the truth that will set you free & the vampires you created to annihilate the infidels are beginning to turn around and attack your offsprings. You lots are always at war with non-muslims everywhere you go, fighting against budhists, christians, hindus e.t.c in the name of a.llah. It doesnt even stop there still, you go ahead to fight against your selves (shiites, sunnis, ahmadiyyas, yazidis e.t.c). Remember actions speak louder than mere words, hence, you can keep chanting all you want that islam is peace but so long as you fail to match your words with action, you will only be considered as hypocrites who only claim to be peaceful by words of mouth, while your actions are the direct opposite of what you say. BTW since you earlier quoted from the telegraph news media, here are some interesting reports from your reliable telegraph news media as well: - Islamist extremists in syria, libya and other middle-eastern countries are being funded by Qatar. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/qatar/11110931/How-Qatar-is-funding-the-rise-of-Islamist-extremists.html - Iran's devastating persecution of the Baha'is http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/4979875/Irans-persecution-of-Bahais-devastating.html - How can we remain silent while Christians are being persecuted? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/8973118/How-can-we-remain-silent-while-Christians-are-being-persecuted.html - Christians persecuted throughout the world. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9640825/Christians-persecuted-throughout-the-world.html With all these and many more, will you still blame us for regarding islam & its ideology with contempt? And this is even more worrisome when we realize that there is nothing like equal rights or equality in several islamic countries, who openly oppress the non-muslims in their midst and deny them their fundamental human rights to freely practise their religion. So kindly desist from mentioning me further if you have nothing cogent to say. |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by Abdulhakeem7(m): 8:35pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
zionzoe:WHY I CONVERTED TO ISLAM- Emmanuel Adebayo, All time Togolese best footballer. I GOT 13 VALID REASONS WHY AND HOW MUSLIMS ARE LIKE JESUS (PBUH) AND TRUER FOLLOWERS OF JESUS THAN MOST CHRISTIANS BELIEVE: 1. Jesus (pbuh) taught that there is only One God and Only God should be worshipped as taught in Deut 6:4, Mark 12:29. Muslims also believe this as taught in the Qur'an verse 4:171. 2. Jesus (pbuh) didn't eat pork as taught in Leviticus 11:7, and neither do Muslims as taught in the Qur'an verse 6:145. 3. Jesus (pbuh) greeted with the words "As-salaam alaikum" (Peace be with you), in John 20:21. Muslims also greet each other this way. 4. Jesus (pbuh) always said "God Willing" (inshallah), Muslims say this too before doing anything as taught in the Qur'an verses 18:23-24. 5. Jesus (pbuh) washed his face, hands, and feet before praying. The Muslims do the same. 6. Jesus (pbuh) and other prophets of the Bible prayed with their head to the ground see (Matthew26:39). Muslims do too as taught in the Qur'an verse 3:43. 7. Jesus (pbuh) had a beard and wore a throbe. It is Sunnah for Muslim men to do the same. 8. Jesus (pbuh) followed the law and believed in all the prophets, see (Matthew 5:17). Muslims do too as taught in the Qur'an verses 3:84, and 2:285. 9. Jesus' mother Maryam (pbuh) dressed modestly by fully covering her body and wearing a headscarf (hijab) as found in 1 Timothy 2:9, Genesis 24:64-65, and Corinthians 11:6. Muslim women modestly dress the same as taught in the Qur'an verse 33:59. 10. Jesus (pbuh) and other prophets of the Bible fasted up to 40 days see (Exodus 34:28, Daniel 10:2-6, 1Kings 19:8, and Matthew 4:1. Muslims do so also during the month of Ramadan. Muslims are required to fast the full obligatory 30 days (see Qur'an 2:183), and others take it a step further by fasting an additional 6 days to increase their rewards. 11. Jesus (pbuh) taught to say "Peace to this house" when entering it see (Luke 10:5), and to also greet the people in the house with "peace be unto you". Muslims do exactly what Jesus did and taught. When we enter our homes and the homes of others we say "Bismillah" and also greet with "as salaamu alaikum" (peace be upon you) as taught in the Qur'an verse 24:61. 12. Jesus (pbuh) was circumcised. Circumcision is 1 of the 5 fitrah in Islam, so Muslim men are required to be circumcised. According to the Bible in Luke 2:21, Jesus was eight days old when he was circumcised. In the Torah, Allah/God stated to the Prophet Abraham (pbuh) that it is an "Everlasting covenant" (see Genesis 17:13). In the Qur'an verse 16:123 Muslims are required to follow the religion of Abraham. The Prophet Muhammad (saws) said, "The Prophet Abraham circumcised himself when he was eighty years old." (see Sahih hadith Bukhari, Muslim, and Ahmad). 13. Jesus (pbuh) spoke aramaic and called God "Elah", which is pronounced the same as "Allah". Aramaic is an ancient, Biblical language. It is one of the Semitic languages that also include Hebrew, Arabic, Ethiopic and the ancient Assyrian and Babylonian language of Akkadian. The Aramaic "Elah" and the Arabic "Allah" are the same. The Aramaic "Elah" is derived from the Arabic "Allah", and it means "GOD". "Allah" in Arabic also means "GOD", the Supreme GOD Almighty. You can easily see the similarity in their pronunciation so this concludes that the God of Jesus is also the God of the Muslims, of all mankind, and all that exist. Now tell me who is the real follower of Jesus (pbuh)? Obviously Muslims. Now I believe am a true follower of Jesus PBUH. -Emmanuel Adebayo |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by zionzoe(m): 9:01pm On Jul 30, 2015 |
According to the Bible, the Ishmaelites were not worshiping Yahweh God. Their alliance with nations that worshiped Baal suggests that they were also worshiping the false god Baal. Both Muslim and non-Muslim sources state that Hubal was recognized as the chief presiding deity of the Kabah. Muhammad’s grandfather worshiped Hubal, and even prayed to Allah while facing Hubal’s idol. The Muslim sources claim that Hubal was brought to Mecca from Syria due to the influence of the Moabites and/or the Amalekites. These nations worshiped Baal which demonstrates that Hubal is actually the Arabic form of Hebrew Ha Baal or the Baal. Jesus, whom Muslims call “Isa,” is not the messiah. Instead, Jesus is a Muslim. Not only is Jesus a Muslim, Jesus was never crucified nor resurrected from the dead. DAH! Read the history of Muhammad—who was ousted from Mecca by his relatives (uncles who guarded the trade routes) once he started gathering a cultish-following ( all his free-time to do so financed as the benefiiary of a rich, lonely widow years and years older than he….); he went to Medina & attracted other cultish-seekers ( some of whom abandoned the “new” formalized Christianity) when he offered “parallel isms.” In the end…what launched him was taking 10,000 armed swordsmen to Mecca to decaptitate/take over his former relative’s “business.” Thereafter, Muhammed’s brand of Islam ALWAYS included violence & the decapitation that we are SO repelled by today ……the stoning & subjugation of women, & every damned thing we seem “surprised and repelled by” today on the evening news. YOU ALL—WAKE UP….this has BEEN a part of Islam since Muhammad himself was brandishing his sword at the head of his followers! Abdulhakeem7: |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 12:30pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: The point is that all these verses are in the bible. Of course everything in the Bible was directed to Israel. Jesus himself was an Israeli and the Bible never mention Christians or Christianity. Even Jesus said: Mathew 15:24 But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." And we know that Christians are not Israelis (as you truly recognise on all your comments above) and this implies that Jesus was not send to the Christians but to the Israelis. So Christians are not followers of Jesus because God, Jesus and the bible never mention Christianity or Christians only Israel and Israelis. Now that we know Jesus was an Israeli and was sent to Israelis and the verses of the bible are directed to Israelis so what is your connection with Jesus ![]() |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by BERNIMOORE: 1:49am On Aug 01, 2015 |
[size=14pt]# Coded post tagged (B)[/size] My Further response to your reply to my Coded post Tagged (A) A1 TO A16 Here is your reply YakubuA: YakubuA Even Jesus said: Mathew. BERNIMOORE'S reply. *for reference purpose I will tag your quote of Mathew 15:24 as[size=14pt] B1*[/size] you just gave a bible verse that nailed you big time, lets see in the same full context of mathew 15 that you quoted ; Mathew 15:22_25. …22And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed. " 23But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us." 24But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."…. @YakubuA,..... you thought that the woman in this context was 'an isreali' not knowing the woman of Canaan is NOT an isreali! cannannites are enemies of isreal and are idol worshippers exodus 23:23, so as a NON isreali, she displayed faith in jesus and that is just what jesus needed and that is why jesus said that;"I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel " so we can conclude peacefully in jesus own word about the cannanite woman to his disciples that 'jesus was sent to 'NON isrealis' you erroneously fell into making these mistakes in your response thinking that the woman that Jesus was talking about when he talk about lost sheep of isreal was an Israeli and not knowing that she wasn't based on that portion of bible you heavily depend you wrongly claim these below YakubuA:, Again the phrase; "a woman of Canaan" nullifies all your applications of the 'wrong quote' of Mathew 15:24 to the christ followers would have been valid only if the woman in question was an Israeli. YakubuA:building my answer from the same context of Matthew 15 the same context of your defense that led you to error I have a similarity with the women in question, how? By display of faith in Jesus; Matthew 15:28 28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour. John 3;16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Note the phrase 'whoever believes in Jesus'' can you see where I am connected to Jesus now! Good! YakubuA: 1, i am following GOD through faith in christ! Having established that in above 2. My God is the Almighty One God! 3,i believe in and use the sacred 66 books of the sacred scriptures! |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by BERNIMOORE: 12:51pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
@yakubuA. [size=28pt]سورة التوبة [/size] [size=14pt]quaran 9:29[/size] Sahih International [size=14pt] Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. [/size] [size=16pt]compare pls [/size] Matthew 5:43-48 king James version 43 “You have heard that it was said (in law) that, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I(jesus) say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 6:37pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
[quote author=BERNIMOORE post=36481592]# Coded post tagged (B) My Further response to your reply to my Coded post Tagged (A) A1 TO A16 Let us see if you are correct by quoting all the verses verbatim: 22And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, "Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed." 23But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, "Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us." 24But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." 25But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, "Lord, help me!" 26And He answered and said, "It is not good to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." 27But she said, "Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters' table." 28Then Jesus said to her, "O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish." And her daughter was healed at once. Yes we know clearly the woman was Canaanite not Israeli and she came to seek help for her daughter to be heeled. Jesus told her clearly that he was not sent to her but only to the lost of the Israelites. This is plain English. Other issues that follow this are Son of David not Son of God and Jesus said "I was sent ....". Question: Sent by whom ![]() Is this really difficult to comprehend ![]()
This is a fact not concoction. Are you Israelite? Definitely No. Is the pope Israelite? No. Is the Queen Israelite? No. Is TB Joshua Israelite? No. Is Ayo Oritsejafor Israelite No. etc... I can go on and on and still the answer is No. For you to even contest that it means you do not know who are Israelites. For your education Israelites are the descendants of Jacob. You see Jacob was the father of Joseph, Benjamin and 10 others who constitutes the 12 different tribes of Israel. You and all Christians are not any of these 12 tribes so you are not Israelites. And who are the Israelites today? The Jews and they are not Christians Now that we know Jesus was an Israeli and was sent to Israelis and the verses of the bible are directed to Israelis so what is your connection with Jesus Jesus was an Israelite because he descended from one of these 12 tribes of Israel. So you have no any connection with Jesus. Mathew 15:22 only confirm that Jesus was only sent to the Israelites 15:22-28 read it from my comment above while the Canaanite woman only came to seek help and as such cannot be interpreted as Jesus sent to Caananites because of one woman who came to seek help for her daughter. John 9:4 also does not confirm that Jesus was sent to other than Israelites. Just because Jesus asked for drinks from the woman does not imply that he was sent to other than Israelites Mathew 21:43 does not confirm that Jesus was sent to other than the Israelites. It only confirm that the Kingdom of God shall be taken away from the Israelites and given to another nation. Moreover the verse did not say the Kingdom of God shall be given to a Christian nation. So what is the connection here?
1. Jesus said he was not sent for you. Mathew 15:22-28. 2. OK Agree on this. There is only one God, who sent Jesus as one of His messengers to the Israelites Mathew 15:24. 3. These 66 books were meant for the Israelites not for you or any Christians. |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 7:25pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: In the Islamic system of govt the Muslims are obliged to pay Zakat or Alms to the state taken from the rich and given to the poor. The non-Muslims are not obliged to pay Zakat or Alms. Jizyah is the state tax, levied to non-Muslim men (women and children excluded) who can afford it, under the Islamic system of government. Of course anyone who does not pay the state tax the state fight and humbled him. This is not only in the Islamic government but in any system of government. I don't know where you live but wherever you are try not to pay your state tax and see if the govt will not fight and humiliate you. So what is your point here? Since Jesus has never form any system of govt the Mathew 5:43-48 only apply at individual level. |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by BERNIMOORE: 8:45pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
[size=18pt]Post (B*). [/size] YakubuA. Let us see if you are correct by quoting all the verses verbatim:verses 24 bolded above, Jesus 'did not answer her 'A WORD' You seem to tell lies on jesus now ![]() ![]() ![]() YakubuA Jesus told her clearly that he was not sent to her but only to the lost of the Israelites. This is plain Englishanswer this pls tagged ([size=14pt]B2)was Jesus addressing the Canaanite woman on "the issue of lost sheep or Jesus was addressing the issue of lost sheep to only his disciples after the disciples urged jesus to send her away and jesus refusing to answer her a word on the lost sheep[/size] ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 9:19pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: No lie here dude. Jesus answer was very clear. I have only been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel meant I am only sent to the Israelites. There is no any other meaning to this. And this was the reason why he did not answer her. Also Jesus was sent by whom? by God. as what? A messenger. to whom? to the Israelites |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 9:53pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
limamintruth:True. limamin falsehood since you could not comprehend my response I will summarise it for you here: Ibn Masud accepted the chapeters 1, 113 and 114 as part of the Quran and the evidences are as shown in my post. I post the Arabic only for you to verify, if you wish, that the translation was correct. The translators of the Quran do not call their translations Quran but rather The translation of the meaning of the Quran and this is the reason why we don't call the translations Quran. Quran is only one and only and it is in Arabic Text. The Quran also laid down the criteria for us so based on those criteria we know who is a Muslim and who is not despite their claims. By the way Mister Yaks is not my name but I think it fit someone like you who throw abuse everywhere simply because one does not agree with your claims. All your accusations are false and baseless but you can continue deluding yourself at the end you will only be disappointed for all your lies, end up disgraced in this world and cast into hellfire in the hereafter, unless if you repent. By the way this is the opinion of one of your Christian brothers regarding violence in the bible: [b] Defense Vs. Total Annihilation "Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says. Jenkins is a professor at Penn State University and author of two books dealing with the issue: the recently published Jesus Wars, and Dark Passages , which has not been published but is already drawing controversy. Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible. Philip Jenkins, author of 'Jesus Wars' Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack. "By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide." It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom. "In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God's law if you do not." Jenkins notes that the history of Christianity is strewn with herem. During the Crusades in the Middle Ages, the Catholic popes declared the Muslims Amalekites. In the great religious wars in the 16th, 17th and 19th centuries, Protestants and Catholics each believed the other side were the Amalekites and should be utterly destroyed. [/b] Finally I think I have to remind you here that you were the one who quoted me first and since you cannot comprehend what I am saying then I suggest you desist from quoting me. |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by BERNIMOORE: 10:44pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
post (B3*) YakubuA your post is now getting messier ![]() ![]() ![]() [size=18pt]FLIP[/size] " this was the reason why he did not answer her" YakubuA: [size=18pt]FLOP[/size] Jesus told her clearly that he was not sent to her but only to the lost of the Israelites yet jesus did not answer her! can you be taken seriously? YakiubuA: I cant just stoplaughing at this expose |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by BERNIMOORE: 11:24pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
YakubuA: my point here is that you again fail big time! as you did not address the quaran verse; here is the verse again; @yakubuA. [size=28pt]سورة التوبة [/size] [size=14pt]quaran 9:29[/size] Sahih International [size=14pt] Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. [/size] Fight those who do not 'Adopt Islam' or believe in Allah or in the Last Day or a named so called religion of truth and fighting those who do not belive in Alah does Not relate in anyway with paying of taxes, forcefull conversion of non muslims was the issue you are running from ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 11:43am On Aug 04, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: Continue laughing but you cannot deny the truth. My quotations are from your bible not from the Quran and are in plain English. [size=16pt]Jesus said he was only been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.[/size] In fact he used the word [size=16pt]only[/size] to ensure it is clear to everyone. It is unbelievable for people like you to refuse to comprehend this fact. [size=16pt]It would not have cost Jesus anything to tell his companions that he was sent to the entire mankind but he did not simply because he was sent specifically to the Israelite and that was exactly what he said.[/size] |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by YakubuA: 3:08pm On Aug 04, 2015 |
BERNIMOORE: @BERNIMOORE Did you read the translation of the verse? Please read it again: The verse says “[b]Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth”. Does this verse stop here? No it does not. It continues and gives the actual reason as to the fighting. This is the continuation: – “until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued”. 1. NOT PAYING JIZYAH IS THE CONDITION FOR FIGHTING. THIS STATEMENT IS TOTALLY IGNORED OR OVERLOOKED WHEN LEVYING THIS ALLEGATION OF VIOLENCE ON MUSLIMS. This verse give the Islamic Government the permission to fight only those non-Muslims (men who can afford to pay) who do not pay jizyah – the state tax. The Muslims are obliged to pay Zakah or Alms to the Islamic Government (a tax from rich to the poor) and the Islamic Government is also permitted to fight those Muslims (men, women and even children) who can afford to pay it but refused. 2. THE VERSE DOES NOT ASK THE MUSLIMS TO DO FORCEFUL CONVERSIONS. The verse permits the Islamic Government to fight the non–Muslims (men) in an Islamic State ONLY and ONLY if they refuse to pay the jizyah – Willingly . Re-read the verse from ANY translation of the Quran. But once they pay the jizyah (head tax) they can continue to believe in their atheistic pagan beliefs, under the Islamic state. Quran 2:256 There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing. The above verse is a command which the Muslims must obey anyone who disobey is committing sin. 3. QURAN NEVER SAY KILL THE DISBELIEVERS JUST BECAUSE THEY DISBELIEVE. I openly challenge you to show me ONE verse from the Quran which says to kill the disbelievers just because they are disbelievers. There are verses which permit the Muslims to fight non-Muslims but with sensible and reasonable conditions which must be met. On the contrary see below what your Christian brother says after comparing Quran and the your bible: [b]Defense Vs. Total Annihilation "Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says. Jenkins is a professor at Penn State University and author of two books dealing with the issue: the recently published Jesus Wars, and Dark Passages , which has not been published but is already drawing controversy. Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible. Philip Jenkins, author of 'Jesus Wars' Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack. "By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide." It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom. "In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God's law if you do not." Jenkins notes that the history of Christianity is strewn with herem. During the Crusades in the Middle Ages, the Catholic popes declared the Muslims Amalekites. In the great religious wars in the 16th, 17th and 19th centuries, Protestants and Catholics each believed the other side were the Amalekites and should be utterly destroyed. [/b] |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 1:04am On Aug 05, 2015 |
YakubuA: lol ![]() Wow! Cant imagine it took you about a week to respond to my simple post with the above gibberish? ![]() ![]() Anyways, all your pathetic self can do is to keep clinging unto ancient events that you know nothing of to justify the actions of your fellow savages-in-islam since time immemorial. ![]() Unfortunately for you however, the fact still remains that B.H, Isis, Al-shabab, Taliban et al are muslims complying with the evil instructions of islam and same demonic Islam has been catalyst for terrorism in the past, present and possibly into the future. So deal with it! ![]() |
Re: Why Islamic Scholars Are Silent On Boko Haram, By Governor Kashim Shettima by limamintruth: 1:37am On Aug 05, 2015 |
A shout out to my fellow christian brethren on this thread! Kindly ignore all these confused is.lamists shamelessly trying so hard to justify the barbaric actions of their fellow savages-in-islam and to deliberately derail the thread so that their islam wont be exposed further for what it truly is. Some of these muslims claim that B.H are not muslims(thankfully Gov. Shettima, muslim, has affirmed otherwise ![]() Arguing with them is like trying to argue with a go..at, so no need wasting one's saliva anymore. The good thing is that no matter how hard they try, they can never change the truth that we all can see. ![]() BTW, the chief masterminder of the terrorism we experience today is their so-called prophet moohammad, who brought back strife & hate many centuries after the Prince Of Peace, Jesus Christ, restored the spirit of love&heavenly peace on earth. Thus, he(moohammad) deserves the greatest blame; not these du.mb followers of his. ![]() |
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