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Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by Stillfire: 4:22pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
pickabeau1: The sperm capable of fertilizing an egg. We can decide this in vitro. LordReed: Lol I have an idea...we can do this in vitro, rather than in vivo... ![]() I will donate an egg ![]() You boys donate your spermatozoa, mix it up Culture it in the lab...voila ... May the best sper.m win...lol ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by cococandy(f): 4:33pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
Caveman chad ![]() Looooool BuddhaPalm: |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by LordReed(m): 4:36pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
pickabeau1: The DNA of the resulting baby of course! Are you of the opinion that the lowest provider should not mate? 1 Like |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by cococandy(f): 4:40pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
Kini in-vitro? In-vivo too sure. The winning sperm provider need not know he's the actual sperm provider. It makes all of them hands-on-deck fathers to the new born. each one providing according to his capabilities. None tied to the same woman hence everybody can practice their 'natural polygamy' and we would all live in the primitive state that polygamy ensures. Stillfire: 2 Likes |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by LordReed(m): 5:23pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
cococandy: I really laughed out loud reading this. An ideal state however unattainable it may sound. |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by cococandy(f): 5:35pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
LordReed:it does sound unattainable but It is actually the default attainable state just like our ape ancestors. only that civilization brought us away from that. Peeps be complaining about monogamy as if the obvious role is plays in our society in setting us apart from lower animals is not enough. maybe a try for the real polygamy. Free for all (not the one-sided hypocritical one) will bring us back to our senses. |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by TV01(m): 6:32pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
LordReed:No. Sperm is cheap to produce - eggs are expensive. That's why we have Fabergé eggs, not faberge sperm ![]() Many are produce as the "battle" takes place at that level - may the best sperm win. TV 2 Likes |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by TV01(m): 6:36pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
Stillfire:Holá Stilly, I do not subscribe to evolutionary theory - in the sense that one creature can become a totally different type. I thin the games we play are down to our fallen nature. I can see what you are saying - I think - but it appears to agree with me, not the OP? Unless I misread the OP, or both you and the OP? TV 1 Like |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by TV01(m): 6:42pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
BuddhaPalm:I'm still not clear on this. I've never - to be honest - heard of this before. Perhaps I need it spelt out clearly. As I said, I don't subscribe to evolutionary theory. I can see "intra-sperm" wars, but not "inter-sperm" wars. Any war from multiple donors would likely be won by the first to donate. Hence the reason women select the fittest available man, whose sperm then battle it out. If the provider does not have the assurance he is also the progenitor, why would he provide? I'd like to hear more. Simple outlined for a simpleton like me. TV 4 Likes |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by TV01(m): 6:44pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
BuddhaPalm:In a primitive society, your whole capability to provide would depend on physical fitness/health. Although I don't, as mentioned, subscribe to evolution, I don't get how this makes sense within that framework? TV |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by TV01(m): 6:47pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
LordReed:How was testing carried out back then. Historically, many men did not get to mate. Just like many male .herd animals. It's why monogamy marriage is good and makes for saner societies. TV |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by TV01(m): 6:51pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
cococandy:I don't see how you'd get men to provide where paternity is not sure. Even now we see deadbeat dads. Without sanction of the law or formal ties, they don't take responsibility. Even betas will not buy this. This could possibly work in societies where offspring are given little care by either parent. But that society simply could not flourish. Non-starter from where I'm sitting. Happy to be shown how though. TV |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by cococandy(f): 6:56pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
In our more primitive state, that would be feasible. TV01: |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by pickabeau1: 7:00pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
Still hog How do you know Chad has better spam than Kroeger the provider What is the value of this optimum spam by Chad when an average spam with Kroeger willdo the job moreover with security You still miss the point BuddhaPalm: 1 Like |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by BuddhaPalm(m): 8:03pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
TV01: You don't have to... ![]() TV01: "The battle is not to the swift..." ![]() Remember: 1.) Human females are not fertile at all times. 2.) Human females have concealed ovulations...and as is typical, ONLY her knows when this is. This means that within that short window of fecundity, she can give sexual access to WHOEVER she chooses. 3.) Humans have a very LOW sex to conception rate. So how can one truly be 'first'?...Very difficult. TV01: People are cuckolded all the time...even the so called 'monogamous' animals. You don't know what you don't know. Without the advances in modern science, there's very little chance of ever finding out, conclusively, that your wife's child isn't yours. So you will happily 'invest' and provide for another man's child. Isn't ignorance bliss? BTW, you are no simpleton. 2 Likes |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by BuddhaPalm(m): 8:29pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
TV01: As humans, besides intelligence, our biggest, baddest attribute is our ability to socialize. Physically, a guy like John Cena will mop the floor with Obama, but Obama is way more powerful and has more influence. And in a very social environment, as evolved by humans, physical strength is no longer key, but INFLUENCE. Compared to other animals, we humans are a very weak and fragile specie. We are not fast or exceptionally strong or anything...but what we excel in is ORGANIZATION. And any man who has influence over other men - for whatever reason - is KING. Finally, in our contemporary environment, look at how women react to/respond to males with influence vs men with great physical strength... 7 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by LordReed(m): 9:24pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
TV01: This topic is actually for people who hold that position so most of the points may seem fatuous to you. |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by LordReed(m): 9:29pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
TV01: Well genetics are usually expressed in physical traits aren't they? Would the child not look like or have some features of it's parents? Well I don't know about historical but I know that in every age even slaves and the lowest classes procreated. |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by LordReed(m): 9:38pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
TV01: Not quite. You need to remember that sperm "lifespan" is measured in hours. Within one hour 40-50% of the sperm are already dead or immobile. A new set of sperm would have a better chance depending of course on time and position. 2 Likes |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by TV01(m): 11:44pm On Jul 31, 2015 |
Okay All, I'm still not clear here. Maybe it's in part to my creation vs evolution position. I don't believe humans evolved. Or that we descended from some proto-ape type common ancestor with chimps. I believe we were created as are, with consciences, morals - even if these may have varied over time - and great intellects. The only difference between then and now is the incremental advances we have successively built on. I don't believe human behaviours are evolved traits over time on the basis of "survival of the fittest". The theory as posed simply does not hang together for me or pass close scrutiny - and there are so many assumptions I would query, and loads of questions I have. So for example; men do not have an impulse that mirrors a mothers maternal instinct. They want to have sex, not necessarily procreate. They only commit to providing where they have a clear genetic investment/stake. If they know women are sleeping around, they'll be fine with that, just not commit to providing, instead, working to get as much sex as they desire. We see this now - men are happy to have the milk, without buying the cow. Marriage/commitment rates are falling. The only reason women can get away with it in some instances is because government - or her family - steps in, to force the man to provide, or act as an alternate source of provision. As for mate-guarding, that only happens where there is the expectation of exclusive access. If women are free to, or known to, engage multiple partners, there is nothing to guard. I can see how she may sleep around and work with ovulatory cycles to cuckold a committed lower ranked provider, but this will be multiple in a limited sense. How many other men - especially identified as equal or superior quality to her regular - can she engage? And I don't see this argument as superior - indeed it's more akin - to identifying and mating with the best man. TV 3 Likes |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by LordReed(m): 8:18am On Aug 01, 2015 |
TV01: I tried to tell you not to take this too seriously as it is only meant to counter the "men are polygamous by nature" argument. If we simply relied on biological nature then many of our actions will be way different, which is what the point of this is. 7 Likes |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by plaetton: 1:57pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
Another study conducted some years back showed that women, through emotional signalling, had a great influence over the choice of paternity for the children. Specifically, the study suggested that a woman sleeping with two or more partners would most likely concieve for the man with whom she has a greater emotional connection at that time. In other words, her emotions would send signals to her fertility organs to discriminate in favour of the favoured sperm. What this translates to in real life is that a woman is more likely to concieve for her lover than for her husband with whom she has built up resentments over the period of their marriage. 1 Like |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by innervoice(m): 2:15pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
plaetton: Please, where can I read more about this study? I want to see how it was conducted. How did they find women who were willing to sleep with different men without contraception not knowing who they will get pregnant from at the end. ![]() ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by plaetton: 2:19pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
innervoice: It was actually a bbc documentary a few years ago. Do some google querries and see if you can find articles on the study. I will also try. |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by innervoice(m): 2:21pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
plaetton: Thanks. |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by plaetton: 2:25pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
@innervoice. Here one link that suggests same conclusion. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130926205001.htm |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by innervoice(m): 2:29pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
plaetton: The study is about animals. |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by plaetton: 2:49pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
innervoice:Yes. It merely shows the proof of concept. It is called cryptic selection or cryptic choice. It is phenomenon whereby some female species, including humans, are able to store and seperate sperm from different donors, and then manipulate who gets to score the winning goal. ![]() In humans, according to the bbc documentary, I remember, the human female, through emotional signalling, subconsciously manipulates and adjusts her cervix, increases the pressure on her tubes or canals to facilitate and increase the chance of fertilization by a prefered lover. |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by cococandy(f): 3:37pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
plaetton:interesting. Hmm, |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by crackhaus: 10:10pm On Aug 01, 2015 |
LordReed:Dude, this here writeup makes absolutely no sense...can't believe anyone would want to argue this with you in the first place. The only reason they say men are polygamous by nature is to convey the message that a man can mate, marry, and shoot his seed in as many women as he wants and get them pregnant at the same time. A woman on the other can't be said to be polygamous by nature just for the simple fact that she can't carry multiple children for multiple partners at the same time - at best, she must wait at least a year to birth a child for husband number 2, another year for husband number 3, and so on and so forth. God help her if each of these men want at least two kids from her, she's gonna start looking 60years old at just 30 to pull that off. And what the hell is biological immortality BTW? ![]() The need to throw around fancy words I presume... 6 Likes |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by LordReed(m): 5:41am On Aug 02, 2015 |
crackhaus: If a man is polygamous by nature simply because he can shoot his seed into several women then a woman is polyandrous by nature because she can receive seed from several men. It's quite simple. Who's seed wins out becomes a true champion. Sorry if you've never heard of biological immortality before, I guess we learn something new every day. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_immortality 7 Likes |
Re: Are Women Designed To Seek Multiple Partners? by crackhaus: 9:33am On Aug 02, 2015 |
LordReed:Read this bit again, and with understanding this time: A woman on the other can't be said to be polygamous by nature just for the simple fact that she can't carry multiple children for multiple partners at the same time - at best, she must wait at least a year to birth a child for husband number 2, another year for husband number 3, and so on and so forth. A woman is a receiver, a vessel...even if she gets to receive sperm from several men, she has no willful power in deciding whose sperm fertilizes her egg... and that one sperm cell out of millions fertilizes her egg doesn't prove who's stronger among the lot of sperm donors - that's just you trying to trivialize a complex biological process by turning it into a rat race of sorts. Polygamy works on the premise of being able to select multiple mates and have them procreate for you exclusively and simultaneously if that's what the chooser wants. A woman cannot choose whose baby she wants to carry if she's having sex with two or more husbands at the same time, neither can she carry two children from two men at the same time...she's a sitting duck, a passive participant in this whole shebang of procreation. The one whose natural status is to select, choose, and impregnate concurrently or simultaneously is the one that's polygamous by nature...not the one who has to wait at least a year to be impregnated again by another man before resuming the process of procreation. Thanks for the education on biological immortality which you didn't write yourself...now how does it relate to sperm? 3 Likes |
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