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Objection:

"You've exposed how flawed your logical processes are by suggesting that pedophilia might become social acceptable. Homosexual relationships are between two consenting adults. Children aren't developed enough to consent, so pedophilia is essentially rape. It also can (and very often does) scar the child for life. If you really think homosexuality is comparable to pedophilia, then you're a beast without morals…" Reece Akinrinmade

Response:

The LA Times likens paedophilia to homosexuality:

"Like many forms of sexual deviance, pedophilia once was thought to stem from psychological influences early in life. Now, many experts view it as a sexual orientation as immutable as heterosexuality or homosexuality. It is a deep-rooted predisposition — limited almost entirely to men — that becomes clear during puberty and does not change…."

The Times then quoted Dr. Fred Berlin, head of Johns Hopkins Sexual Behaviours Consultation Unit:

"Other pedophiles are 'good people who are struggling. They're tortured souls fighting like heck not to do this. We do virtually nothing in terms of reaching out to these folks. We drive it underground.'" [1].

Studies Show Paedophiles are "born that way"

"In studies, paedophiles show signs that their sexual interests are related to brain structure and that at least some differences existed in their brains before birth. For example, paedophiles show greatly elevated rates of non-right-handedness and minor physical anomalies. Thus, although paedophilia should never be confused with homosexuality, paedophilia can be meaningfully described as a sexual orientation." [2].

"A group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals say it's time to change the way society views individuals who have physical attractions to children." [3].

It's just a matter of time until those who accuse paedophiles of rape will be considered narrow-minded intolerant beasts who are filled with hate-speech. Moral relativism is a predictable slippery downward path.

History is our teacher, if we will listen.

Source:
1. http://articles.latimes.com/…/loc…/la-me-pedophiles-20130115
2. http://www.theatlantic.com/…/what-can-be-done-about…/279024/
3. http://www.foxnews.com/…/mental-health-group-looks-to-remo…/

Good question.

At least you agree that with paedophilia there is rape involved. What is the equivalent of that rape in homosexuality?

finofaya:


At least you agree that with paedophilia there is rape involved. What is the equivalent of that rape in homosexuality?

The question here is: Are paedophiles "born that way"?

OLAADEGBU:


The question here is: Are paedophiles "born that way"?

I don't know, but so what if they are?

finofaya:


I don't know, but so what if they are?

Then can we describe their condition as a sexual orientation in their own rights?

OLAADEGBU:


Then can we describe their condition as a sexual orientation in their own rights?

We can accept that they are "born that way" without having to condone sexual acts with minors.

finofaya:


We can accept that they are "born that way" without having to condone sexual acts with minors.

Can you say the same for homosexuals, that we should condone their orientation but not their unnatural sexual acts?

OLAADEGBU:


Can you say the same for homosexuals, that we should condone their orientation but not their unnatural sexual acts?

They are no more unnatural than a blow.job.

Rape is harmful. Whatever it is that homosexuals do isn't.

Every perversion is demonic . Not an orientation. Nobody is created that way

Op, do you think criminals are born or made? I think therein lies the answer you seek if answered correctly.

Definitely, its a psychological ish however they do take advantage of the minors so to me it's not a sexual orientation rather social mayhem

finofaya:


I don't know, but so what if they are?

If Paedophiles are really born that way would they be morally right if they engage in the act?

finofaya:


They are no more unnatural than a blow.job.

Rape is harmful. Whatever it is that homosexuals do isn't.

Would it be harmful if a young boy is interested only in old men?

OLAADEGBU:


Would it be harmful if a young boy is interested only in old men?

Once the individual is considered a minor, they cannot consent to sexual activity.

OLAADEGBU:


If Paedophiles are really born that way would they be morally right if they engage in the act?

No. Children are considered unable to give consent.

finofaya:


Once the individual is considered a minor, they cannot consent to sexual activity.

You are talking about the legality of the action what about the morality? Is it morally right for an adolescent to consent to sexual activity with an older man?

finofaya:


No. Children are considered unable to give consent.

If the legal age to give consent is 18 what is the difference if on the eve of his 18th birthday he chooses to give consent? Would it be morally wrong?

OLAADEGBU:


You are talking about the legality of the action what about the morality? Is it morally right for an adolescent to consent to sexual activity with an older man?

A minor cannot "consent" to sexual activity with anybody. We just assume that they don't know what they are doing.

Paedophilia laws stem from our moral concerns. Our moral concern (yours too, I hope) is that children don't know what they are doing. Children are considered to have impaired judgment on many issues, including moral ones. I don't think it makes any sense to ascribe moral values to the sexual behaviour of a child, in light of that.

Also, I dont think a sexual urge can by itself be the subject of a moral law.

What is contained in your OP is paedophilia, which only an adult can be guilty of. Children having sexual urges for adults is not paedophilia, so why are we discussing that instead of paedophilia?

OLAADEGBU:


If the legal age to give consent is 18 what is the difference if on the eve of his 18th birthday he chooses to give consent? Would it be morally wrong?

Can we focus on the paedophiles?

finofaya:


A minor cannot "consent" to sexual activity with anybody. We just assume that they don't know what they are doing.

Who said, do they not have human feelings?

finofaya:


Paedophilia laws stem from our moral concerns. Our moral concern (yours too, I hope) is that children don't know what they are doing. Children are considered to have impaired judgment on many issues, including moral ones. I don't think it makes any sense to ascribe moral values to the sexual behaviour of a child, in light of that.

Where do we (including you) get our morals from? At what point do children suddenly 'know what they are doing'? Is it when they become adults?

finofaya:


Also, I dont think a sexual urge can by itself be the subject of a moral law.

A sexual urge precedes a sexual act, no?

finofaya:


What is contained in your OP is paedophilia, which only an adult can be guilty of. Children having sexual urges for adults is not paedophilia, so why are we discussing that instead of paedophilia?

Yes, and if paedophilia is an orientation, that is, they are 'born that way' why would it be wrong for them to engage in sexual activity even when they are minors?

finofaya:


Can we focus on the paedophiles?

Yes, are paedophiles born that way? If the answer is yes can we then describe it as a sexual orientation?

OLAADEGBU:
Who said, do they not have human feelings?

I don't suppose they have bird feelings. Let me get you straight anyway; will you have intercourse with a 13 year old girl if she asks you to? If you won't, could it be because you don't find her attractive or because you think she is too young?

Where do we (including you) get our morals from? At what point do children suddenly 'know what they are doing'? Is it when they become adults?

I don't know where we get our morals from. It's probably a result of evolution. However that isn't what we are here for.

We don't know the point at which they know, so we fix an age at which we expect them to have known, and in fixing the age we aim to err on the side of caution.

A sexual urge precedes a sexual act, no?

Depends on whether you're the rapist or the victim.

Yes, and if paedophilia is an orientation, that is, they are 'born that way' why would it be wrong for them to engage in sexual activity even when they are minors?

You have to be above a certain age in order to be a paedophile. Rephrase your question.

OLAADEGBU:


Yes, are paedophiles born that way? If the answer is yes can we then describe it as a sexual orientation?

I already answered this na.

Born that way?